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Post by billisonboard on Jul 6, 2011 17:17:22 GMT -5
Yes, ed, that's exactly what I believe. The Egyptian people had had enough of Mubarak and were willing to put their lives on the line to put an end to it. Again, I ask you ... what would you have us do? I would have us eliminate any threat to the safety and national interests of the United States and her allies...and a pony?
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 6, 2011 18:43:08 GMT -5
And how would you have us do that, ed? Shall we nuke Egypt? Now, what good would that do? Is that your continuum of escalation? Step 1: do nothing, step 2: nuke the place? Surely, there is something in between, no?
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 6, 2011 20:08:52 GMT -5
Well, ed, it's you who is bellowing for us to DO SOMETHING! What the heck is it you'd have us do? I've already said I don't think we have a damned thing to do with it. You aparently have decided it's Obama's Egypt, so what do you want him to do with/about it? Hmmm?
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 6, 2011 21:56:16 GMT -5
Well, ed, it's you who is bellowing for us to DO SOMETHING! What the heck is it you'd have us do? I've already said I don't think we have a damned thing to do with it. You aparently have decided it's Obama's Egypt, so what do you want him to do with/about it? Hmmm? As I already stated, I would have us protect the interests of the United States and her allies. Obama got us into this position by either deliberately standing with the Muslim Brotherhood, or by shooting off his mouth without knowing the facts (it's one or the other). Now, I think he should be responsible for getting us out of it as well. Egypt, the only Arab nation to have signed a peace treaty with Israel, is now poised to fall into terrorist hands, largely due to Obama's public call for the ouster of Mubarak. Obama needs to clean up the mess he made...I just don't understand why he felt the need to go on TV and call for Mubarak's ouster. He either knew the Muslim Brotherhood was waiting to take over, or he didn't know and ran his gums recklessly. Which was it? I have asked this question numerous times here, and none of the Obama supporters are willing to answer it...
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 6, 2011 22:11:46 GMT -5
Ed ..........Jordan and Israel have a peace treaty thanx to Bill Clinton's efforts to get King Hussein and Prime Minister Rubin to sign it..
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Post by cereb on Jul 6, 2011 22:12:10 GMT -5
Looks like a tempest in a teapot to me. We have all sorts of "what if", "probably", "maybe", and "imagine this <insert horror>". What we don't have is an elected Egyptian leader to gripe about (or laud, for that matter). You know, as I was scrolling down through the posts, I was thinking the exact same thing.
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Post by cereb on Jul 6, 2011 22:14:49 GMT -5
Looks like a tempest in a teapot to me. We have all sorts of "what if", "probably", "maybe", and "imagine this <insert horror>". What we don't have is an elected Egyptian leader to gripe about (or laud, for that matter). Right, better to wait until the Muslim Brotherhood or some other holocaust-denying jihadists actually have legitimate power in Egypt. Then Obama can make a sympathetic face and do nothing... Too funny. You bitch when he does something, you bitch piss amd moan when he does nothing. Me thinks some folks just like to bitch no matter what.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 6, 2011 22:33:36 GMT -5
Thing is, despite the bitching, pissing, and moaning ... not one solid idea of what to do, how to do it, and who should do it has surfaced.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 6, 2011 23:05:10 GMT -5
Thing is, despite the bitching, pissing, and moaning ... not one solid idea of what to do, how to do it, and who should do it has surfaced. You mean not one you agree with...
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Post by cereb on Jul 6, 2011 23:08:20 GMT -5
"You mean not one you agree with.."
Stop telling people what you perceive as 'what they really mean" and what they think.
You are terrible at it. Miss Cleo wouldn't even give you a job.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 6, 2011 23:19:29 GMT -5
"You mean not one you agree with.." Stop telling people what you perceive as 'what they really mean" and what they think. You are terrible at it. Miss Cleo wouldn't even give you a job. Now where have I heard that before? Careful, careful...
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Post by steff on Jul 6, 2011 23:31:04 GMT -5
Ok ed, HOW do you suggest we protect our interests? What specifically would you see the US do in this matter?
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jul 6, 2011 23:35:31 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 6, 2011 23:40:20 GMT -5
How about we stop providing funding and weapons to Egypt or at least cut back on this. Some in congress threatened to do this when CBS Reporter Laura Logan was gang raped by some thugs in Egypt until her attackers were turned over to our government officials in Egypt but nothing was done..
Some members of congress hair was on fire when they found out our government has given Egypt @ $50 Billion over the past decade..
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Post by steff on Jul 6, 2011 23:42:56 GMT -5
How about we stop providing funding and weapons to Egypt or at least cut back on this. Some in congress threatened to do this when CBS Reporter Laura Logan was gang raped by some thugs in Egypt until her attackers were turned over to our government officials in Egypt but nothing was done.. How will this stop the Egyptian people from voting the Muslim Brotherhood into power in their country?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 6, 2011 23:47:55 GMT -5
How about we stop providing funding and weapons to Egypt or at least cut back on this. Some in congress threatened to do this when CBS Reporter Laura Logan was gang raped by some thugs in Egypt until her attackers were turned over to our government officials in Egypt but nothing was done.. How will this stop the Egyptian people from voting the Muslim Brotherhood into power in their country? It probably will not stop the Egpytian people from voting but it could prevent providing funding to a government who does share our interests... And the Muslim Brotherhood had not been elected by Egypt yet to be the power in their country.. And as I said cut off all funding and weapons going to Egypt until we know who will be Mubarak's governments replacements.. A lot of the $ Billions we gave to Mubarak's government ended in his bank accounts .. that is not exactly getting much bang for out buck..
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Post by steff on Jul 6, 2011 23:57:01 GMT -5
good point...have you told ed? He's very upset about it.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 7, 2011 0:01:36 GMT -5
good point...have you told ed? He's very upset about it. He has me on his IGNORE list... I think?? I am much too controversial for ED who doesn't like to rile anyone or stirr things up as you know......??
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Post by steff on Jul 7, 2011 0:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 7, 2011 9:29:07 GMT -5
You guys are too funny. I am of the opinion that we need to be proactive. Why wait until the MB is in power, as Obama seems to want? We should be cutting them off at the knees pre-emptively. No foreign aid, no weapons, and a promise of severe and immediate reprisals if they attack our interests or allies. Is that so hard? Not really, but Obama shot off his mouth and either intentionally supported the MB or, through his ignorance of the facts, unintentionally supported them when he publicly called for Mubarak to step down. I guess his mama never told him the thing about making your bed?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 7, 2011 9:46:22 GMT -5
... a promise of severe and immediate reprisals if they attack our interests ... Every action by all in the world must be done to fit the interests of the United States of America or you will suffer our wrath?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 7, 2011 9:47:35 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, this guy shares a lot of views about 9/11 with some of Obama's pals like Van Jones and other liberal Obama supporters here in the US. Namely, that Israel and the US were behind the 9/11 attacks (something believed by at least one frequent poster here) and that the CIA and Mossad colluded to steal artifacts and bury them on Jewish land to perpetuate claims of historical occupation.
i am puzzled how this view, which is, incidentally, quite common in the Arab world, has ANYTHING to do with Obama.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 7, 2011 9:49:53 GMT -5
and let's not forget: Mubarek was a pigbastard. our support for him for decades was far less forgivable than our hands off policy to see that place ridded of him.
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Post by cereb on Jul 7, 2011 12:38:53 GMT -5
"i am puzzled how this view, which is, incidentally, quite common in the Arab world, has ANYTHING to do with Obama. Because if it had nothing to do with Obama it wouldn't be a good divisive BS topic to bash dems and liberals. Try to keep up!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 7, 2011 12:41:26 GMT -5
"i am puzzled how this view, which is, incidentally, quite common in the Arab world, has ANYTHING to do with Obama. Because if it had nothing to do with Obama it wouldn't be a good divisive BS topic to bash dems and liberals. Try to keep up! i think the view itself would make a good topic: what is the root of it? WHY do a significant number of Arabs believe in the conspiracy? there are some important lessons to be learned here, but i guess it is more important to carve another hole in the Obama pumpkin.
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Post by cereb on Jul 7, 2011 12:44:02 GMT -5
"i am puzzled how this view, which is, incidentally, quite common in the Arab world, has ANYTHING to do with Obama. Because if it had nothing to do with Obama it wouldn't be a good divisive BS topic to bash dems and liberals. Try to keep up! i think the view itself would make a good topic: what is the root of it? WHY do a significant number of Arabs believe in the conspiracy? there are some important lessons to be learned here, but i guess it is more important to carve another hole in the Obama pumpkin. I agree it would be a great topic for discussion. Unfortunately it would be derailed in a matter of moments. 8-)Wanna test that theory?
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jul 7, 2011 12:52:52 GMT -5
Because many people perceive Obama as being pro-Arab and anti-Israel.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 7, 2011 13:11:58 GMT -5
Because many people perceive Obama as being pro-Arab and anti-Israel. that is a separate matter, imo. i know a couple of truthers. they are not anti-Israeli or pro-Muslim. they are just incredibly paranoid about the US. so, once again, what does the paranoid rantings of some 3rd world leader have to do with Obama? does anyone here SERIOUSLY think Obama shares those views? i think i see the problem here. one is equating the support of a person with the support of that person's views. there is clearly a logical error there. i can support a member of my family whose views i totally oppose. i can support a business that is lead by a complete idiot whose views i reject. i can support a nation whose leader is a corrupt idiot. i can even support a corrupt idiot when the alternative is a fascist MF. i can't fathom why Obama could not do those things, also.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 7, 2011 13:32:39 GMT -5
"i am puzzled how this view, which is, incidentally, quite common in the Arab world, has ANYTHING to do with Obama. Because if it had nothing to do with Obama it wouldn't be a good divisive BS topic to bash dems and liberals. Try to keep up! i think the view itself would make a good topic: what is the root of it? WHY do a significant number of Arabs believe in the conspiracy? there are some important lessons to be learned here, but i guess it is more important to carve another hole in the Obama pumpkin. ""i am puzzled how this view, which is, incidentally, quite common in the Arab world," The view held by so many in the Arab world , to explain it..possible, uneducated is one way, so many get their information from the Immans in the Mosque, from the media of the country's they reside in , and if illiteracy is one of the reasons for their ignorance of the event, then the media propaganda , radio, TV is how they get their information and so much of the media is controlled by the local governments. The propaganda they put out and many of these country's allowed anti Semitic propaganda to be the norm..Egypt being one of those country's , notwithstanding standing the peace treaty between the Israeli's and themselves, there was nothing in those treaties to demand anti Semitic propaganda not to be allowed, and thus the propaganda was there and encouraged by the Egyptian government. The Holocaust was basically a non Arab phenomenon, not with standing the "Mufti " of Jerusalem being a supporter of the Nazis and spending most of the war in Berlin a honored guest and some units of SS of Muslims being formed and fight for the Nazi's. Most were wiped out in the battle for Berlin..but for the most part, the Holocaust was a European thing..had little to do with the Arabs..thus ignorance of the happening and with the birth of Israel, then any sympathy for the remnants of the slaughter of Jews was gone..
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 7, 2011 13:49:07 GMT -5
Because many people perceive Obama as being pro-Arab and anti-Israel. I see Obama being interested in trying to get a peace between these two sides, knowing as long as there is the schism there is now, American influence, leadership, in many parts of the world will be marginalized and any President who comes to power will be faced with the same problems in this region that has plagued all current POTUS, almost since the formation of the state. To me, he could have done just done what Bush and some others have done, just pay lip service and allowed the Status Quo to continue, but with the Arab spring, the changes going on in the Middle East, the rise in influence of the Iranians, the cooperation of the different political Palestinian parties, he feels it is important to see if a agreement can be gotten here, the new government in Lebonon, the schism now between the Saudi's and ourselves, the problem in Syria, turkeys rise in this part of the world in influence, now is a time to be involved. That he hasn't just gone along on the side of the Israeli's dismissing the concerns of the Palestinians is not a abandonment of the Israeli's , he has given them the guarantees of support they need. We , USA, will always be there for them, but he also has called in question some of their ideas of how to solve this problem. Their wanting to stay with the status quo, which he knows is a non doer for a agreement and could lead to major, major problems, so for him trying to get the parties to the negotiating table, I feel there is nothing wrong with that.. To say he is anti Israeli, pro Palestinian , is also false thinking, and if there CAN be a agreement..what a legacy to leave the future POTUS, who ever they may be.
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