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Post by henryclay on Jun 27, 2011 15:24:48 GMT -5
I see a couple of liberals came by. But now that the money part of education has been thoroughly debunked they seem to want to discuss just about everything else, but they don't seem to want to discuss education any more. Surely there is something abut money that can still be part of the debate. I wonder why they are so suddenly reluctant. Maybe it has to do with the survey results. There were no top ten schools on either list from blue New England states like Massachusetts, Vermont and Connecticut. Nor were there any in the top 25. By contrast, Alabama made both the Newsweek and the Washington Post top ten. Only two public schools from these states made the Washpost top fifty list; zero made it into Newsweek‘s elite. 150 years after the Civil War, South Carolina is kicking New England’s rear end when it comes to producing great public schools. Please notice the three New England states listed as out of the running as far as acheivement, but based on what they spend on education per student, are depicted as numbers 10, 1, and 8 respecitvely, while South Carolina is number 33. But of course, quality education is still directly related to m-o-n-e-y. Isn't it Sharina? And that's your main argment isn't it Warsaw?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 27, 2011 16:03:25 GMT -5
... bills was doing especially well. He said there were over 27,000 public school in the country.
I said WHAT? Let us check:
How about the other approximately 27,000 high schools?
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WHEW, , , bills, you UNDERwhelm me. ... So, in fact, we have incredibly simple basic information reported incorrectly by henryclay. And, surprise of surprises, followed by a personal attack. ;D
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Post by Shirina on Jun 27, 2011 16:06:25 GMT -5
Can conservatives ever take responsibility for anything? After all, are not conservatives the reigning champions when it comes to personal responsibility? Except when I read forums like this all across the internet, I see failure of anything and everything being blamed on liberals.
What I find most odd about this deluded conservative messianic complex is that conservatives have had plenty of chances to make this country work. Liberals haven't been in charge for the last 265 years nor are conservatives about to burst onto the scene for the first time in history and make everything aright. YOU, conservatives, need to start owning up to your own failures instead of wasting time stupidly polishing your halos, blaming liberals, and waiting for your place among the saints. Quite frankly, it's irritating, not to mention dishonest and disingenuous.
I really don't give two turds who is responsible for the Chicago Public School system, to be honest. All I'm seeing is just one more example of liberals being blamed. It reminds me of superstitious and benighted folks who still believe demons are responsible for everything from lightning strikes to crop failures. If something terrible happens, regardless of what it is, look no further than your nearest liberal.
What a crock of s__t.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 16:09:51 GMT -5
Can conservatives ever take responsibility for anything? After all, are not conservatives the reigning champions when it comes to personal responsibility? Except when I read forums like this all across the internet, I see failure of anything and everything being blamed on liberals. What I find most odd about this deluded conservative messianic complex is that conservatives have had plenty of chances to make this country work. Liberals haven't been in charge for the last 265 years nor are conservatives about to burst onto the scene for the first time in history and make everything aright. YOU, conservatives, need to start owning up to your own failures instead of wasting time stupidly polishing your halos, blaming liberals, and waiting for your place among the saints. Quite frankly, it's irritating, not to mention dishonest and disingenuous. I really don't give two turds who is responsible for the Chicago Public School system, to be honest. All I'm seeing is just one more example of liberals being blamed. It reminds me of superstitious and benighted folks who still believe demons are responsible for everything from lightning strikes to crop failures. If something terrible happens, regardless of what it is, look no further than your nearest liberal. What a crock of s__t. Actually this country has worked well for many many people. Chicago is a liberal bastion and a cesspool of corruption - the failure of the Chicago Public Schools has zero to do with conservatives.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 27, 2011 16:09:57 GMT -5
I feel attacked. I wonder if it is because I reposted something I saw on a previous entry and said I thought it was misleading in that it understated the posters case......
Oh, my. I feel attacked. Woe is me.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 16:10:32 GMT -5
I feel attacked. I wonder if it is because I reposted something I saw on a previous entry and said I thought it was misleading in that it understated the posters case...... Oh, my. I feel attacked. Woe is me. LOL
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Post by henryclay on Jun 27, 2011 16:16:11 GMT -5
Right on vonnie: Or Detroit, or Los Angeles, or Philadelphia, or Berkeley, or that bastion of the hand-out, Washington, DC. or a thousand other places.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 16:23:57 GMT -5
Right on vonnie: Or Detroit, or Los Angeles, or Philadelphia, or Berkeley, or that bastion of the hand-out, Washington, DC. or a thousand other places. Exactly!
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 27, 2011 16:40:05 GMT -5
... I reposted something I saw ...... Actually, misposted something you thought you saw.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 27, 2011 16:57:00 GMT -5
Can you be specific? You always want other to be specific. Can you be specific?
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jun 27, 2011 16:59:12 GMT -5
There is a difference between liberal control of the government and liberal control of education in the US. The US Constitution was signed in 1787 at which time the Articles of Confederation ceased effect. The US Constitution provided for a stronger central government and, although the first ten Amendments were intended to ensure individual and States Rights, the move to a more centralized and more powerful government had begun and continues today. What conservatives mean when they speak of "big government liberals" is the move to bigger government. That is essentially what liberalism means today. The move toward modern liberalism began in the late nineteenth century with the liberal socialist John Dewey and a number of other "liberal thinkers" and Fabian Socialists. This corresponds to the introduction of "progressivism" which involved Theodore Roosevelt which only goes to show that Republicans have been liberals just as Democrats have been conservatives. The "whole child" concept is central to "progressive education," but progressive education has much, if not most, in common with political progressivism. The meaning of terms like liberalism, conservatism, progressivism, capitalism, socialism, etc. changes over the years. The current liberals are in no way like the liberals of the nineteenth century which were more like today's conservatives and conservatives of the nineteenth century were far tradition bound than the conservatives today. However, one thing hasn't changed; the progressives of a century ago were [admitted] socialists while the progressives of today [equally socialist] refuse to admit it. Modern conservatism is actually a new movement based on an amalgam of ideas some of which used to be called liberalism.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jun 27, 2011 17:10:16 GMT -5
Then they can be blamed for doing nothing about it then. If Conservatives take zero percent of the responsibility, then maybe their whining about it should go down to zero percent then, wouldn't you think?
You'll never make it as a lib.
Can you go back a few pages? it's really easy to click that thing over the "bookmark" button.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 17:18:09 GMT -5
Quote: Chicago is a liberal bastion and a cesspool of corruption - the failure of the Chicago Public Schools has zero to do with conservatives.
Then they can be blamed for doing nothing about it then. If Conservatives take zero percent of the responsibility, then maybe their whining about it should go down to zero percent then, wouldn't you think?
I do not believe we are the ones doing the whining about it!
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Post by henryclay on Jun 27, 2011 17:23:02 GMT -5
Can you be specific?
Can you go back a few pages? it's really easy to click that thing over the "bookmark" button. I suppose I could, but you know me. . . .I'd probably make a mistake and pull up the wrong thing. That's why I asked for specifics. You see, like any student, I'm asking my teacher to tell me exactly where I went wrong. Is that too much to ask in today's education formulae?
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jun 27, 2011 17:28:55 GMT -5
How can they be blamed for "doing nothing" when it's the liberals there who hold the political power?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 17:33:35 GMT -5
How can they be blamed for "doing nothing" when it's the liberals there who hold the political power? Yes!
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 27, 2011 17:35:44 GMT -5
Can you be specific? You always want other to be specific. Can you be specific? My reply #92, which references your reply #76, has the specifics.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 27, 2011 17:39:41 GMT -5
"Nope not a lie, at the bottom end you get 8$ per hour in Canada. In the United States we have a Minimum Wage from $5.15 Wy up to $8.67 in Washington State. Depending on where you live in Canada you may be in a higher range, just as if you live in the US you may have Higher range of wages. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._minimum_wages" Yes, a lie- Canada has minimum wage of at least $8, up to $11. And this site is out of date. You don't even know what it is here. Thanks to Dems, it's now $7.15, STILL TOO LOW. In Australia- it's $15! We are officially pathetic fools of Pubs. Obviously, this is why all,schools in the USA rate #17 in the world, while if you take out the 10%lowest areas economically, we're #1. Blaming the character of the poorest is STUPID AND RACIST, and Republican. And thanks for the Depression and the STUPIDEST wars ever. ;D
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 17:44:17 GMT -5
"Nope not a lie, at the bottom end you get 8$ per hour in Canada. In the United States we have a Minimum Wage from $5.15 Wy up to $8.67 in Washington State. Depending on where you live in Canada you may be in a higher range, just as if you live in the US you may have Higher range of wages. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._minimum_wages" Yes, a lie- Canada has minimum wage of at least $8, up to $11. And this site is out of date. You don't even know what it is here. Thanks to Dems, it's now $7.15, STILL TOO LOW. In Australia- it's $15! We are officially pathetic fools of Pubs. Obviously, this is why all,schools in the USA rate #17 in the world, while if you take out the 10%lowest areas economically, we're #1. Blaming the character of the poorest is STUPID AND RACIST, and Republican. And thanks for the Depression and the STUPIDEST wars ever. ;D The Federal Minimum Wage in Illinois is $8.25 - so far that is not helping the Chicago Public School system - now why is that?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 27, 2011 17:45:27 GMT -5
"How can they be blamed for "doing nothing" when it's the liberals there who hold the political power?" Because the national system is Pub-default crappe- no living wage explains everything really. GD stupid greedy myopic (racist) Pubs, and their followers. Fact
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 27, 2011 17:49:21 GMT -5
#109- It's the state minimum wage, and it's not high enough.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 17:51:41 GMT -5
#109- It's the state minimum wage, and it's not high enough. Oh - it's $8.25 also
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 27, 2011 17:52:06 GMT -5
Warsaw, cut it out with the litany of name-calling followed by "Pubs". It's old and tired. If you can't post to others with some respect, hold your fingers.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 17:52:32 GMT -5
"How can they be blamed for "doing nothing" when it's the liberals there who hold the political power?" Because the national system is Pub-default crappe- no living wage explains everything really. GD stupid greedy myopic (racist) Pubs, and their followers. Fact Glad you explained that - I think it means that the Dems are ineffective losers.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 27, 2011 18:02:28 GMT -5
Yup, they can't fix Pub messes fast enough.... I see the Dems in Ill. are trying to raise the min. wage to $13 now LOL! But that's hard when the rest of the country is $7... Repeat: Min. wage in Australia is $15, NZ is $13. We are a banana republic...thanks pubs.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 18:04:45 GMT -5
Yup, they can't fix Pub messes fast enough.... I see the Dems in Ill. are trying to raise the min. wage to $13 now LOL! But that's hard when the rest of the country is $7... Repeat: Min. wage in Australia is $15, NZ is $13. We are a banana republic...thanks pubs. I hadn't seen that yet - but it wouldn't surprise me too much - they just raised the state income tax by 66% and it isn't enough to cover the debt oh and a lot of businesses are leaving or threatening to leave the state
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 27, 2011 18:23:31 GMT -5
Thanks Pubs!
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 18:28:50 GMT -5
Thanks Pubs! In Illinois? Get serious!
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 27, 2011 18:29:28 GMT -5
MHM-Pubs are megarich elitists- I would never say that about their followers. Like most Dems, you're way too polite to the ^%#@@$%s. But ok. Read My E-book, "Guilty of Just Thinking" (Pub Bastids and their Dupes)- seriously
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 27, 2011 18:33:16 GMT -5
Thanks Pubs! In Illinois? Get serious! Pubs stopped the stimuli that paid state deficits- and stopped the recovery- fear mongering the debt for political gain alone... ;D
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