Sum Dum Gai
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2011 15:25:15 GMT -5
There are people who spend DAYS hooked up to WoW, Call of Duty, etc. How dare you judge me! Like you're so much better for spending days watching TV or reading crappy novels?
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Post by imawino on Jun 7, 2011 15:25:40 GMT -5
But I do believe people who who would consider themselves "unschooling" their kids don't send them to school. Otherwise, just call it "doing what responsible parents been doing for a long time"....no need for a new name.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 7, 2011 15:26:17 GMT -5
Well if they won't even get off their butts to eat, I really doubt getting up to find a periodic table is in the cards. Since no one is teaching the kid & he may not even be able to read, then there is a pretty good chance that he doesn't even have a clue as to what the periodic tables are to even demonstrate an interest in the subject.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 15:26:44 GMT -5
Like you're so much better for spending days watching TV or reading crappy novels? Hey, my novels are NOT crappy! At least I am reading. ;D But I do believe people who who would consider themselves "unschooling" their kids don't send them to school. Otherwise, just call it "doing what responsible parents been doing for a long time"....no need for a new name.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 7, 2011 15:28:37 GMT -5
But I do believe people who who would consider themselves "unschooling" their kids don't send them to school. Otherwise, just call it "doing what responsible parents been doing for a long time"....no need for a new name. Agreed, that is just good parenting & can easily be done in conjunction with school or even a structured home-school environment.
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Post by telephus44 on Jun 7, 2011 15:28:51 GMT -5
::This is true unschooling right here.:: No, it's not. She's talking about sending him to school and then still exploring other learning opportunities outside of school. Essentially what most parents who choose traditional educational paths do. I sure wouldn't call it unschooling or homeschooling either. I mean, right now I'm really interesting in economics. I'm reading books I checked out of the library, a couple of blogs, and signing up for a local CC course on economics. Am I unschooling myself? No, I'm just learning something because I'm interested in it. Same thing with my son. If he's interested, we teach him, but it's not our "educational plan." Funny thing - we pulled him from a daycare last year. One of the teachers was talking to us one days and said "He knows his shapes. He ever identified a parallelogram. Someone must be teaching him these things!" Oh, the horrors. We taught our son something!
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2011 15:32:03 GMT -5
Hey, my novels are NOT crappy! At least I am reading. You guys do realize that games like WoW require reading too right? Part of the reason ours learned to read so young is so that they could play certain games with us. We refused to sit there and read everything to them, so they couldn't play until they could read for themselves. However, I haven't sat and played a computer game for a couple days in a row since I was a teenager. It just doesn't appeal to me like it used too. I'll happily spend a weekend playing board games though.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 15:32:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately it seems like more unschooling parents lean towards LA808 than Oped.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 15:33:42 GMT -5
You guys do realize that games like WoW require reading too right? I am yanking your chain Dark.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2011 15:34:51 GMT -5
I sure wouldn't call it unschooling or homeschooling either. I mean, right now I'm really interesting in economics. I'm reading books I checked out of the library, a couple of blogs, and signing up for a local CC course on economics. Am I unschooling myself?
I'd say you are - which is why I'm such a big fan of unschooling. It *is* how we learn as adults. No one forces us to learn anything, and if we do want to learn something we need to take the initiative and do it ourselves.
As I said, I'm a big fan of teaching children how things work in the real world as soon as possible. Unschooling is a big part of that. That said, "self-directed learning" is probably a better term for it, I agree. To me they're interchangeable, but many people wouldn't agree with me.
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Post by imawino on Jun 7, 2011 15:35:46 GMT -5
Dark, my novels are not CRAPPY! Smutty, maybe.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2011 15:35:57 GMT -5
I am yanking your chain Dark. You might have been, but several people mentioned the kid not being able to read.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 15:36:40 GMT -5
I am sure he can read, find the refridgerator and make a sandwich, probably not.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 7, 2011 15:38:24 GMT -5
The teachers at my daycare are often commenting on how advanced DS is with knowing letters, numbers, etc. I never sit down & just teach him this stuff, but try to talk about it as we do stuff & play games - point out letters, count things, etc. I don't think DS is some kind of genius, I am just starting to think a lot of parents don't try to work this stuff in on a regular basis.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2011 15:38:50 GMT -5
Dark, my novels are not CRAPPY! Smutty, maybe. Uh huh. All these people who spend hours and hours every week with their nose buried in a book with little to no educational value, but they're knocking people who play video games that are basically a huge fantasy novel where you get to control one of the characters.
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Post by imawino on Jun 7, 2011 15:42:40 GMT -5
Well, video games ARE for geeks. I don't really care how anyone spends their free time (except for my sweetie and his ridiculous hockey obsession). I just don't think school aged children should have an infinite amount of "free" time. Learning that there are rules and schedules and it's not always about you is a huge part of the educational process along with the readin', riting' and 'rithmatic.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 15:43:52 GMT -5
Some of the games DH plays are pretty impressive. I admire the teams that put these games together, there is no way I could come up with some of these games (then some I wouldn't want to!). Video game designer is not a horrible choice, don't know how much of a market there is for it or how competitive it is. It's offered here at a two year vocational/technical school so it wouldn't be that much money.
The kid/teen in the unschooling thread though sounds like a bum, not someone who is actually pursuing a "passion". Especially the part where they tailor their entire day around when he gets up from bed after staying up till 3 am playing games. Wow.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2011 15:47:35 GMT -5
The kid could end up getting a job as a full time video game tester. He'd get paid to sit on his ass and play games for 40 hours a week.
He'd be the most one dimensional boring SOB on the planet, but spending his entire teenagehood fucking around in WoW could work out for him.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 15:49:15 GMT -5
Don't ever let my DH know you could get paid to be a video game tester.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 7, 2011 15:50:48 GMT -5
I think I'm just going to simply state that this is not the life I wish for my children. Right, wrong or otherwise, I really want my kids to have a "normal" experience. If the thing that sets them apart from their peers at 20-something years old is that their parents are together and they remember a stable household growing up - that would make me happy.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2011 15:52:36 GMT -5
It doesn't pay very well, you have to move into design to make the "big bucks". However, I can think of a lot worse ways to spend your 9-5 than playing games and documenting bugs. Loop and I used to play CoH with a group of game designer/testers. They all said the job isn't as fun as it sounds, but I'm still slightly jealous.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 15:56:59 GMT -5
I'm horrible with the PS3 controller. My guy just kept running around in circles while I yelled "Which one is the A button?" to DH. We did get Sonic the Hedgehog for the PS2 so I could have a game to play. Took me back. ;D
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Post by imawino on Jun 7, 2011 15:59:07 GMT -5
thyme, that was very sweet.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 7, 2011 16:03:10 GMT -5
...:::"Right, wrong or otherwise, I really want my kids to have a "normal" experience.":::...
When "Idiocracy" comes true, this WILL be the normal experience.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2011 16:03:22 GMT -5
Right, wrong or otherwise, I really want my kids to have a "normal" experience. I hear ya... somewhat. I want my daughters to know that they're loved and to always provide a stable home life for them. If they choose an unusual path in life though I'm OK with that. I don't have preconceived notions of how I want their lives to turn out. Stay at home mom, captain of industry, first woman to walk on Mars, whatever, as long as they're happy.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jun 7, 2011 16:07:07 GMT -5
- - One of the effects of saying yes rarely is that kids will ask for more than they really want - because it can seem like asking a Lot gets them a little. It can take time to transition out of that, but it does help to say yes more. Actively look for ways to buy him things that are within the budget - be the first one to say "hey, there's an extra $20 to spend this week, do you want to get something?" so he can feel loved: Because we all know that money equals love. This line is my favorite. We all know that people don't ever take more than they need, especially when someone else (Mom?) is paying for it, right? One only needs to look at the couponing/hoarding thread to know that people frequently take more than they need, especially if it free and they didn't have to pay for it. Leaving it up to people to consume resources freely without any tradeoff rarely ends well...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 16:12:12 GMT -5
I am thinking my cousin must read those links. I have been having troubles with my 10 year old daughter. She told me that I need to learn her "love language." Then proceeded to tell me that my daughter's love language is to receive presents. That she feels loved when people buy her stuff. So I need to start buying her presents every day so that she feels loved. She also told me that it is ok for my daughter to lie, steal, scream, throw tantrums because she was adopted and I need to just give her a break and not discipline her for doing those things. Yes, I DID tell my cousin I thought she was bat shit crazy if she thought I was going to allow my 10 year old to rule my house and buy her whatever she wants so that she will behave for me.
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Post by imawino on Jun 7, 2011 16:12:23 GMT -5
::Leaving it up to people to consume resources freely without any tradeoff rarely ends well... ::
Tell me about it. I ate three doughnuts earlier. I even knew how much I would regret it later! And yet, here I sit....feeling like I'm going to die.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 7, 2011 16:14:04 GMT -5
I also don't really have a vision for their adulthood. But, I do have a vision for their childhood. I will gladly change that vision if what I have isn't working. But, for the most part when they go off into the world I want them to have that shared experience of school, a pretty average home life, having seen the same movies, listened to the same music, watched the same tv shows, etc. I want them to have something in common with their generation. I want them to identify with people they are likely to meet every day. That doesn't mean I expect them to become a business person, or a teacher or whatever. Just that when they are hanging out with people in 2034 and someone says "Remember when Miley Cyrus went crazy and painted her butt purple and published the pictures on the web?" My kids can answer "Yes, all my friends at school were freaking out - it was hilarious." Instead of baby Stone's answer which will be "My parents didn't own a tv and I didn't even know who Miley Cyrus was until I was 24 years old."
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