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Post by swasat on Jun 7, 2011 11:58:16 GMT -5
So how do these unschooled children learn higher mathematics? Calculus, Algebra, trigonometry, equations and stuff?
I mean there is only so much math you can teach by taking the child to grocery store and giving them money. But what about all the complicated concepts?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 7, 2011 12:01:06 GMT -5
They learn to read eventually. You people are making it sound like we have illiterate math genusis coming out of these programs. They teach math first, and reading second. I'm not saying I agree, but I won't assume that they reach 20 years old and can't order off the menu.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 12:02:19 GMT -5
I'm not saying I agree, but I won't assume that they reach 20 years old and can't order off the menu. I can order off menus! I point to the pretty picture.
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Post by michelyn8 on Jun 7, 2011 12:04:47 GMT -5
::So you're saying that instead of my occasional gargling with peroxide, I should reach in the freezer for the vodka? :: Is reaching in the freezer for the vodka ever a bad idea? c'mon... Good point.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 7, 2011 12:05:22 GMT -5
Only low class restarants have pictures on the menu.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 12:06:26 GMT -5
Only low class restarants have pictures on the menu
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 7, 2011 12:07:29 GMT -5
The catholic private school tried this with my sister. They were certain that if they didn't pressure her that she would eventually want to learn math. Passed her on every report card, and then at the end of the year informed my mom that she hadn't done anything the entire year.... In one summer of tutoring she did almost 3 years of math.
Everything in moderation. Some things can and should be at the child's discretion, but as someone else said, they need the basic tools so that they can decide what they want to explore and discover.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jun 7, 2011 12:09:32 GMT -5
Only low class restarants have pictures on the menu. Are you saying when I order out of the clown's mouth, I'm not at 5-star restaurant?
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Post by swasat on Jun 7, 2011 12:09:34 GMT -5
They learn to read eventually. You people are making it sound like we have <b>illiterate math genusis</b> coming out of these programs. They teach math first, and reading second. I'm not saying I agree, but I won't assume that they reach 20 years old and can't order off the menu. Do you know anyone that fits that description ? Seriously though...colleges require a minimum amount of knowledge. How do un-schooled kids get into college? Even if we assume that they learn on their own, is it so possible to learn 12 years worth of school material on your own? I doubt..... I am genuinely curious now about the college admissions. Off to google....
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 7, 2011 12:22:55 GMT -5
I know people who are so illiterate they cannot order off the menu, but they were both severely dyslexic.
"Unschooled" is usually a method used in homeschooling, so I'm guessing they follow the same process as the homeschoolers. I'm not sure what that is. I knew a couple of people that homeschooled all the way through high school. They received their GED and went on to community college. One advanced to the state University, but I lost touch with the family before the other one complete CC. I have no idea what method that family used to homeschool. I'm not sure how you fit in with the workplace after being in a homeschool environment. This family was very artistic, and I doubt either of their children became office wonks.
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Post by shanendoah on Jun 7, 2011 12:27:34 GMT -5
Oh, my cousin did eventually learn to read. He has a FB account and his posts are coherent even. I'm just saying that its not only un-schoolers who don't learn to read until they're 10.
I also like parts of the un-schooling philosophy, but agree that kids need structure, and that they're aren't going to be naturally interested in everything they do need to learn.
Some kids (I know them) will, in fact, be interested in learning trig and calculus, but those same kids probably aren't that interested in social studies.
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Post by backontrack on Jun 7, 2011 12:43:19 GMT -5
Ok people, I searched you all out so that I could read about something other than the debates on my mommy boards! And now there are threads about car seats, and stay at home parents, and now unschooling! Ah, but wait, unschooling is only the tip of the iceburg! What about Radical Unschooling? Not only are there no lessons or expectations, but you also can’t tell your kid “no” or ask them to help with any chore. Bedtimes even seem to be a no-no. Here are some of the threads being discussed on my mommy board: familyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/video-game-addiction-the-quotefamilyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/7yrold-son-being(To clarify, these threads are not on a board I frequent, they are just being discussed on a board I frequent.)
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Post by swasat on Jun 7, 2011 12:55:22 GMT -5
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jun 7, 2011 12:56:42 GMT -5
Ok people, I searched you all out so that I could read about something other than the debates on my mommy boards! And now there are threads about car seats, and stay at home parents, and now unschooling! Ah, but wait, unschooling is only the tip of the iceburg! What about Radical Unschooling? Not only are there no lessons or expectations, but you also can’t tell your kid “no” or ask them to help with any chore. Bedtimes even seem to be a no-no. Here are some of the threads being discussed on my mommy board: familyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/video-game-addiction-the-quotefamilyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/7yrold-son-being(To clarify, these threads are not on a board I frequent, they are just being discussed on a board I frequent.) OMG... I just read the one about the video game addict and the comments were scary. I kept looking for the smily face wink at the end. Are these people serious? I understand wanting to allow your children freedom and to choose their own path but really? These people think it is normal to cater to the child (Oh, he wants to play video games all day and won't get up to get food? It is your job as a parent to bring him bite size pieces of food at the game so he doesn't have to be "bothered" with getting up). Exploring your passions is great and everyone should have the freedom to do that but everyone is also responsible for maintaining their own life. If doing your "passion" doesn't allow you to eat for several days because you can't get away from it, maybe you should rethink how much time you are giving it. The only exception I can see that would make sense is if Mom and Dad's "passion" is to exist solely to serve their child. If that is their passion, I wonder how they survived for the first 20 years of life before they had the wonder child to serve every day.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 7, 2011 12:59:27 GMT -5
Ok people, I searched you all out so that I could read about something other than the debates on my mommy boards! And now there are threads about car seats, and stay at home parents, and now unschooling! Ah, but wait, unschooling is only the tip of the iceburg! What about Radical Unschooling? Not only are there no lessons or expectations, but you also can’t tell your kid “no” or ask them to help with any chore. Bedtimes even seem to be a no-no. Here are some of the threads being discussed on my mommy board: familyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/video-game-addiction-the-quotefamilyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/7yrold-son-being(To clarify, these threads are not on a board I frequent, they are just being discussed on a board I frequent.) OMG... I just read the one about the video game addict and the comments were scary. I kept looking for the smily face wink at the end. Are these people serious? I understand wanting to allow your children freedom and to choose their own path but really? These people think it is normal to cater to the child (Oh, he wants to play video games all day and won't get up to get food? It is your job as a parent to bring him bite size pieces of food at the game so he doesn't have to be "bothered" with getting up). Exploring your passions is great and everyone should have the freedom to do that but everyone is also responsible for maintaining their own life. If doing your "passion" doesn't allow you to eat for several days because you can't get away from it, maybe you should rethink how much time you are giving it. The only exception I can see that would make sense is if Mom and Dad's "passion" is to exist solely to serve their child. If that is their passion, I wonder how they survived for the first 20 years of life before they had the wonder child to serve every day. I'm not going to read the other threads because it will drive me nuts! But this reminded me of my husband after he got the first sims game. I came home one night and he said to me, 'I've spent the last 3 days making sure my sims were fed, showered, going to work, and cleaning the house, but I couldn't remember when I had done any of those things for myself....so I decided to take a little break'.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 12:59:49 GMT -5
Holy crap on the video game addiction thread! I'd be unhooking the computer. My next thought was of the WoW episode of South Park where the kids didn't want to leave the computers so Cartman's mom brought him a pot to poop in when he needed it. The mean 7 year old thread. .. really he need more SNUGGLES?! The kid needs to be knocked into next Tuesday! I don't foresee that marriage lasting based on what her husband said.
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Post by swasat on Jun 7, 2011 13:01:17 GMT -5
Ok...I can't . This woman, on the video game addiction discussion, is of the opinion that 2 weeks of gaming non stop does not amount to addiction. She also suggeste that the mom try to play with the child to see what is that the child finds so fascinating about the game. All the posters are of the opinion that passion is a passion is a passion. You just can't take away a passion from a person. Seriously! Non stop gaming is a passion. Right.
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Post by cronewitch on Jun 7, 2011 13:01:54 GMT -5
My great nephew learned math before reading when he was 4. He was stressed out over starting kindergarten because he didn't know math and reading. So he was taught adding before he knew what the next number after 69 was. It was all verbal drills while riding in the car, standing in line to see the baby elephant at the zoo and other things. He knew a little subtracting at 4 but when he started kindergarten he still couldn't read. He wanted to know how to read and he could draw all the letters and knew the sounds of each but not how to read. His grandma was a reading specialist and was reading to him when he asked how you know what the words say. She explained you sound them out and he learned to sound out words but still said he couldn't read. She wrote some sentences for him and had him sound out each word and then read them together and told him he could read.
Turns out reading was his best subject by 2nd grade he read 5 harry potter books and was told he was the best reader in his class. In 4th grade he got 97 percentile on the math standardized test. He was upset he didn't do better and knew which three kids did better because they were smart. His mom said they were gifted in math like he was gifted in reading. They got him a math tutor last year so he could handle the gifted math classes in middle school.
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Post by midjd on Jun 7, 2011 13:02:15 GMT -5
Drama, my thoughts exactly! "Mom! Bafroom! MOM!"
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Post by backontrack on Jun 7, 2011 13:02:18 GMT -5
Yep, it is insane!
A 7 year old can throw Hot Wheels at you if you try to have a moment to yourself. And it's the mom's fault, of course, that she took that moment to herself. Crazy, crazy.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2011 13:03:49 GMT -5
Seriously though...colleges require a minimum amount of knowledge. How do un-schooled kids get into college? Even if we assume that they learn on their own, is it so possible to learn 12 years worth of school material on your own? The same way everyone else gets into college. They take the SAT/ACT, they take any of the AP tests that they feel they can pass, and a lot of them already have some college credit anyway because they're taking some community college classes as part of their education.
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Post by alabamagal on Jun 7, 2011 13:08:55 GMT -5
OMG at the momontheblock link!!!
Quoute from the parent of the misbehaving 7 year old. "I left the room before I said something punitive"
What is wrong with punishing kids who are misbehaving. I punished mine. The are all very well adjusted late teens and 20.
In the Unschooling article, the thing that scared me the most was the part about the 12 year old only wanting to watch South Park. That is scary. And I love South Park.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2011 13:22:02 GMT -5
He climbed up on the arm of the couch and said, "Oh yeah? Well, I'm going to jump on the couch and you can't stop me!" (I had already asked him to stop jumping on the furniture twice today.)
I said, "You're right, I can't. So I'm going to my room to calm down, like I said."What really? If Gwen said something like to me the response would be "You bet your sorry as I can make you stop" and she wouldn't sit down for a week. I am normally not for capital punishment, but in the case of the kid above. . I'd make an exception. This went on for a few minutes, until I finally asked him calmly why he seemed to be trying to deliberately annoy me. It wasn't rhetorical, I really wanted to understandCause he knows mommy is his personal bitch?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 7, 2011 13:23:47 GMT -5
He climbed up on the arm of the couch and said, "Oh yeah? Well, I'm going to jump on the couch and you can't stop me!" (I had already asked him to stop jumping on the furniture twice today.)
I said, "You're right, I can't. So I'm going to my room to calm down, like I said."What really? If Gwen said something like to me the response would be "You bet your sorry as I can make you stop" and she wouldn't sit down for a week. I am normally not for capital punishment, but in the case of the kid above. . I'd make an exception. I haul the kids off the furniture like a sack of potatoes or a football and remind them that we don't jump/climb on the furniture. Generally this is at bedtime and I don't say anything because I'm already frustrated.
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Post by MN-Investor on Jun 7, 2011 13:25:59 GMT -5
Quote from the parent of the misbehaving 7 year old. "I left the room before I said something punitive"
What is wrong with punishing kids who are misbehaving. I punished mine. The are all very well adjusted late teens and 20. There is nothing more annoying than being around a child who has not learned self discipline! Thank you, parents everywhere, who have done your jobs well. The rest of us appreciate it. As for the undisciplined children, they turn out to be the annoying neighbors that threads are written about here.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jun 7, 2011 13:29:27 GMT -5
"You can't make me park my car in one spot"..."You can't make me not park in your yard.."
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 7, 2011 13:37:33 GMT -5
Because you pulled him out of school where there was activity and friends and people to relate to and now, instead of challenging him to use his brain in ways he can't even consider you play monopoly with him and watch spongebob with him. The kid is bored out of his freakin' mind and searching desperately for ways to fill the void that the requirements use to fill. At 7 he isn't knowledgeable enough to figure out something useful to do, so he is throwing tantrums. Anything to feel alive. Anything to feel like what he does matters. Anything to get the blood flowing. Anything to see someone react to him.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 7, 2011 13:42:30 GMT -5
Troy McClure: Lets move to the next problem. If you have 3 Pepsis, and drink one of them, how much more refreshed are you? Yes you, the redhead in the Chicago school system:
Redhead: Pepsi?
Troy McClure: Partial credit!
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Post by Angel! on Jun 7, 2011 13:50:24 GMT -5
OMG! That website is hilarious & making me feel like a better parent with every post I read!
I wonder if the kid across the street is being radically unschooled. Maybe that would explain why he thought it was acceptable to throw large rocks at our door rather than knocking. DH answered the door yelling & scared the crap out of the kid - he never came back since.
But seriously, who came up with the brilliant idea that kids will figure out what they need & set their own limits & educate themselves? There is a post about a 2 yr old that throws tantrums when told no & all the advice is telling the mom to find ways to not tell her no. The world is going to be filled with no's when the kid gets older & the kid needs to learn how to take a no. I'm all for kids finding their own interests & hobbies, but they need limits, rules, & structure also. They don't understand what they need to know & how it will help them in the future. I feel the world is slowly filling up with morons.
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Post by daisylu on Jun 7, 2011 13:50:27 GMT -5
Funny that none of the comments even mentioned dad beyond "the family needs time to adjust".
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