Lakhota: A Wager

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I have a wager for the 2012 election: If Obama wins re-election, I will change my avatar to Obama until the end of the year (December 31st, 2012); IF you will agree that if anyone else wins- you have to change your avatar to the candidate that defeats Obama for the same period of time?

You game?

[ed1066]

I'm taking side bets on this, btw, for the rest of the board...

[lakhota]

First of all, I'm not an Obama fan. I didn't vote for him in 2008 and I sure as hell won't vote for him in 2012.

I just hate Republicans! Hasn't always been that way. Before Reagan, I probably voted more Republican than Democrat.

ADDED NOTES:

1. Actually, I don't literally hate Republicans, but I do strongly detest them. I don't literally hate anyone.

2. As for Obama, I remain convinced that Hillary was screwed out of the Democrat Primary nomination by Howard Dean, Donna Brazil, and other DNC operatives.

[Value Buy]

May 24, 2011 22:50:06 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

First of all, I'm not an Obama fan. I didn't vote for him in 2008 and I sure as hell won't vote for him in 2012.

I just hate Republicans! Hasn't always been that way. Before Reagan, I probably voted more Republican than Democrat.

ADDED NOTES:

1. Actually, I don't literally hate Republicans, but I do strongly detest them. I don't literally hate anyone.

2. As for Obama, I remain convinced that Hillary was screwed out of the Democrat Primary nomination by Howard Dean, Donna Brazil, and other DNC operatives.

Howard Dean, yes
Donna Brazil, you got to be kidding-she was the epitome of equal opportunity placement, and nothing else.
DNC operatives, yes the crooked Cook county Illinois cartel of Rahmn and company

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Well, we agree on #2 for sure, Lak. Democratic Party rules over the will of the voters. But what's new about that? Both political parties have their self-styled ruling elites who think they know what's best for all of us. Our final frustration with that kind of elitism birthed the TEA Party.

[reasonfreedom]

I am conservative/libertarian and I usually only side with the politician that is speaking reason whether democrat, republican or independent. I will take that wager though, I am pretty sure Obama is going to win unless a catastrophe happens between now and the end of 2012. I will be voting for Ron Paul in the primaries, if he doesn't make it then I won't vote at all barring another politician with common sense/reason gets into the race(highly doubt it).

[jkapp]

May 24, 2011 22:50:06 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

First of all, I'm not an Obama fan. I didn't vote for him in 2008 and I sure as hell won't vote for him in 2012.

I just hate Republicans! Hasn't always been that way. Before Reagan, I probably voted more Republican than Democrat.

ADDED NOTES:

1. Actually, I don't literally hate Republicans, but I do strongly detest them. I don't literally hate anyone.

2. As for Obama, I remain convinced that Hillary was screwed out of the Democrat Primary nomination by Howard Dean, Donna Brazil, and other DNC operatives.

Sounds a bit like me except opposite...I am not pro-republican, I am anti-democrat

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Sounds a bit like me except opposite...I am not pro-republican, I am anti-democrat

Sounds like someone who is very confused.

If any of you have done internet dating you will occasionally run across women who write about how they are studies in dichotomy.

I have run across a few of these over the last dozen years. They are the extremes in nearly every personality trait one can think of. They think they are being clever and that this makes them attractive. Then at the same time they complain they cannot find anyone.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 25, 2011 9:35:33 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

I am conservative/libertarian and I usually only side with the politician that is speaking reason whether democrat, republican or independent. I will take that wager though, I am pretty sure Obama is going to win unless a catastrophe happens between now and the end of 2012. I will be voting for Ron Paul in the primaries, if he doesn't make it then I won't vote at all barring another politician with common sense/reason gets into the race(highly doubt it).

I am a libertarian-leaning conservative that is a little more strategic / big-picture in my thinking.

I'm going to vote against Obama, period. That means the Republican nominee. The reason I would do such a thing is that I would be counting on the rising tide of conservatives in both the House, and the Senate (which should hold 60 to 67 Republicans) should pass a sensible budget which requires a Republican to sign. Since I cannot see a Republican President making his first mistake of many being that he would VETO the first real sensible budget in decades-- I'm going to vote for the "R".

I would even vote for someone like Scott Brown who needlessly and senslessly opposed such a budget because without Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins and their ilk, Republicans will not control the Senate. I am not opposed to electing a place-holder in order to give the leadership the seats.

[reasonfreedom]

May 25, 2011 10:04:35 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 25, 2011 9:35:33 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

I am conservative/libertarian and I usually only side with the politician that is speaking reason whether democrat, republican or independent. I will take that wager though, I am pretty sure Obama is going to win unless a catastrophe happens between now and the end of 2012. I will be voting for Ron Paul in the primaries, if he doesn't make it then I won't vote at all barring another politician with common sense/reason gets into the race(highly doubt it).

I am a libertarian-leaning conservative that is a little more strategic / big-picture in my thinking.

I'm going to vote against Obama, period. That means the Republican nominee. The reason I would do such a thing is that I would be counting on the rising tide of conservatives in both the House, and the Senate (which should hold 60 to 67 Republicans) should pass a sensible budget which requires a Republican to sign. Since I cannot see a Republican President making his first mistake of many being that he would VETO the first real sensible budget in decades-- I'm going to vote for the "R".

I would even vote for someone like Scott Brown who needlessly and senslessly opposed such a budget because without Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins and their ilk, Republicans will not control the Senate. I am not opposed to electing a place-holder in order to give the leadership the seats.

Bush was horrible, he was neither conservative or libertarian. You are saying you would vote in another Bush just because he is Republican? And you used the word strategic? No offense palmbeach, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

[txbo]

Since this is confession time, I must say I like Ron Paul and somewhat Pat Buchanan. I also voted for Ross Perot, like Ron Paul another good Texan. Like Lakhota, I have a very strong distaste for the Republican Party since Reagan. Hillary should have won.

[Deleted]

Well, you people that won't vote unless your fav makes it in will give Obama the presidency again. I've seen what Obama can do, and I will vote R no matter who it is.

[deziloooooo]

May 25, 2011 10:45:47 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Well, you people that won't vote unless your fav makes it in will give Obama the presidency again. I've seen what Obama can do, and I will vote R no matter who it is.

Make sure you do those exercises so you can make it to the polls and pull the lever or mark the ballot, wouldn't want you to miss out. ;D

[reasonfreedom]

May 25, 2011 10:45:47 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Well, you people that won't vote unless your fav makes it in will give Obama the presidency again. I've seen what Obama can do, and I will vote R no matter who it is.

I don't want Obama in, but I am not a blind lemming either. People voting blindly are worse than the people that were dazzled by Obama's ridiculous message of hope and change. I hope the anti-Christ runs as the republican nomination, just to show you that reason rules over emotion.

[marshabar1]

My vote for McCain was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. Palin of the ticket made it that much harder. But McCain is who the MSM and the RINO Republican party dished up for us and that was that.

This time there'll be a third party candidate if the RINO's dish up another lame retread. I include Mitt Romney in that category. For a man who flip flopped like a landed fish on every little thing, why he didn't flip on his health care mess I will never understand.

Bachmann is pushing hard right now. I'll be interested to see how she handles herself.

[ed1066]

Bachmann is pushing hard right now. I'll be interested to see how she handles herself.

Just based on the hate, bigotry and bile she elicits from the slobbering left, I would say she's a contender...

[Deleted]

All of the "tests" that I've taken have shown me to be a libertarian but I'm conservative on money. I think the Democrats was trying to change out government to a socialist one. I will vote against socialism so I have no choice but the Republican party (even though I hate some of the stances they have). I would love more options to vote for but there just aren't any.

I just hate Republicans! Hasn't always been that way. Before Reagan, I probably voted more Republican than Democrat.

Note to self, there was a shift in the force before President Reagan's time. We lost one to the "dark side".

[2kids10horses]

I see the goal as replacing Obama as President. He's been horrible.

I'm a Libertarian at heart, but unfortunately, I can't find myself as getting behind Ron Paul. I haven't seen that much of him, so I don't REALLY know that much about him, but what little I have seen, he's just too "off the wall". Sure, I think some of his ideas have merit, but he just doesn't seem to carry himself as "Presidential".

Who I like is Herman Cain.

I just worry if Herman is going to be able to raise enough money to carry on. I think if he can carry on long enough so that he is in the race, and where the media HAVE to cover him, he will get the opportunity to get his message out.

About Republicans... the ONE plank I dislike is abortion. I really think that the Federal Government has no business telling anyone they can or cannot have control over their own body. Reagan, I believe, brought that whole movement into the R party.

I hope if Ron Paul does not get the R nomination he does not choose to run as an independant. If he does, it would guarantee another Obama victory. It would split the conservative vote, just like Perot did.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 25, 2011 10:45:47 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Well, you people that won't vote unless your fav makes it in will give Obama the presidency again. I've seen what Obama can do, and I will vote R no matter who it is.

Well, I don't want to say "no matter who"-- because for example, I'd never vote for McCain-- or someone similar to him.

Romney is out because if we're going to support and defend ObamaCare-- let the Dems do it. I don't want our guy talking about how he was for it before he was against it before he was for it.

I'll just stay home if that's gonna be the campaign.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Hilary blew it in Iowa, thought she had it made. A lot of voters didn't want to relive all that Bill baggage.There was no conspiracy. Hillary should have showed some emotion earlier.
Get ready to lose Paul. The pubs overreached on medicare, collective bargaining, and tax cuts for millionnaires...deep doodoo ;D

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I'm pro-life. I think at some point we are going to have to reach a point of scientific and intellectual honesty on this issue and admit as a nation that an unborn child is entitled to the protection of government. It's your body, yes- but you lose rights when you make choices all the time. If you choose to get pregnant, you're now responsible for another human being.

It's MY body, too-- but you can bet that I drag "my body" all over the place doing things for my dependent children I'd rather not do.

I'm willing to compromise, but abortion on demand has got to go. We need to pick a stage of development that is based on sound scientific knowledge-- IMHO, well towards the beginning of the first trimester-- and say after a point in time, your 'choices' are limited.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Did Obama overreach on tax cuts for bazillionaires, too, then?

[Deleted]

I like Cain best, too, so far. He needs to tighten up his talk some when talking to all people instead of just his listeners, like me, that know him well enough to see what he is saying beyond his sound byte negative words Dems are using against him. Also, MSM is largely ignoring him, even though he is still the front runner in many polls. They can't really get their minds around a black conservative in any positive way... I hope he goes far. Herman is what he says he is, is not going to change that, and is open to surrounding himself with experts in all fields, unlike Obama and his gang.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Did the Pelosi-led House overreach?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I like Pawlenty more than I thought I would, I like Cain for sure, I thought I'd like Newt, but he has apparently suffered some kind of nervous breakdown. I like Ron Paul, I just think he'd get about 20% of the vote. America isn't ready for Ron Paul just yet. Still, I'd vote for him-- just not in the Primary. I really am not all that enamoured of Romney, nor was I all fired up about Mitch Daniels-- though I'd vote Daniels over Romney were Daniels running. I am not crazy about Chris Christie-- I think you have to dig in there if you're a conservative and if you do-- you're going to find a guy that would suppor cap and tax and a lot of other bad things.

[deziloooooo]

May 25, 2011 14:10:00 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 25, 2011 10:45:47 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Well, you people that won't vote unless your fav makes it in will give Obama the presidency again. I've seen what Obama can do, and I will vote R no matter who it is.

Well, I don't want to say "no matter who"-- because for example, I'd never vote for McCain-- or someone similar to him.

Romney is out because if we're going to support and defend ObamaCare-- let the Dems do it. I don't want our guy talking about how he was for it before he was against it before he was for it.

I'll just stay home if that's gonna be the campaign.

Thar ya go, one down, I like that kind of decision, you promise you might get a but have to cross your heart and hope to...can't trust you pubs to do the right thing.

[deziloooooo]

May 25, 2011 14:16:08 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I like Cain best, too, so far. He needs to tighten up his talk some when talking to all people instead of just his listeners, like me, that know him well enough to see what he is saying beyond his sound byte negative words Dems are using against him. Also, MSM is largely ignoring him, even though he is still the front runner in many polls. They can't really get their minds around a black conservative in any positive way... I hope he goes far. Herman is what he says he is, is not going to change that, and is open to surrounding himself with experts in all fields, unlike Obama and his gang.

tsk, tsk, Krickett , I have been keeping score, that's the fourth one you supported now..and it's how long before the election.

sheesh girl, you only get one ya know.

[Deleted]

You, too, Paul? You would stay home and let Obama win rather than vote for Romney? Not me. Obama is dangerous to the country and no matter what Romney has the business experience to work on the economy. Giffords won AZ last year by a hair, most likely because the people that wanted the OTHER Republican, not Jesse Kelly (my choice), all pouted and stayed home. They actually made public statements to not vote for Jesse, and he lost--final count Giffords 48.8, Kelly 47.3.

[Deleted]

No, Dez, you are not keeping score well. I have liked Cain all along, and he has been my pick since I knew he was running.

[reasonfreedom]

May 25, 2011 13:55:50 GMT -5 2kids10horses said:

I see the goal as replacing Obama as President. He's been horrible.

I'm a Libertarian at heart, but unfortunately, I can't find myself as getting behind Ron Paul. I haven't seen that much of him, so I don't REALLY know that much about him, but what little I have seen, he's just too "off the wall". Sure, I think some of his ideas have merit, but he just doesn't seem to carry himself as "Presidential".

Who I like is Herman Cain.

I just worry if Herman is going to be able to raise enough money to carry on. I think if he can carry on long enough so that he is in the race, and where the media HAVE to cover him, he will get the opportunity to get his message out.

About Republicans... the ONE plank I dislike is abortion. I really think that the Federal Government has no business telling anyone they can or cannot have control over their own body. Reagan, I believe, brought that whole movement into the R party.

I hope if Ron Paul does not get the R nomination he does not choose to run as an independant. If he does, it would guarantee another Obama victory. It would split the conservative vote, just like Perot did.

Ron Paul won't run Independent, just from the research I have done and that campaigned for him last election. It doesn't matter if he does run as R or I, most of the supporters I know said they wouldn't vote for either candidate so technically Republicans are still losing the votes that they thought they would have. Ron Paul is to off the wall, because people don't research him they just say what the MSM does. I am curious as to what you think you know about him being off the wall because I call BS that you knew much if anything at all at the time of your post.