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Post by ed1066 on May 17, 2011 13:39:51 GMT -5
Guess we will be seeing taxpayer-funded Federal loans for underpriviledged lightbulb consumers soon...LOL! I personally bought about 500 100W bulbs a while back, and I will be selling them on eBay if you're interested... news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110516/ap_on_hi_te/us_led_lighting;_ylt=AsE3Gkdtse.WMyLRBM_sWOCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNqNzVocWJlBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNTE2L3VzX2xlZF9saWdodGluZwRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzgEcG9zAzUEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNsNEW YORK – Two leading makers of lighting products are showcasing LED bulbs that are bright enough to replace energy-guzzling 100-watt light bulbs set to disappear from stores in January. Their demonstrations at the LightFair trade show in Philadelphia this week mean that brighter LED bulbs will likely go on sale next year, but after a government ban takes effect. The new bulbs will also be expensive — about $50 each — so the development may not prevent consumers from hoarding traditional bulbs. The technology in traditional "incandescent" bulbs is more than a century old. Such bulbs waste most of the electricity that feeds them, turning it into heat. The 100-watt bulb, in particular, produces so much heat that it's used in Hasbro's Easy-Bake Oven. To encourage energy efficiency, Congress passed a law in 2007 mandating that bulbs producing 100 watts worth of light meet certain efficiency goals, starting in 2012. Conventional light bulbs don't meet those goals, so the law will prohibit making or importing them. The same rule will start apply to remaining bulbs 40 watts and above in 2014. Since January, California has already banned stores from restocking 100-watt incandescent bulbs.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 17, 2011 13:42:15 GMT -5
Well, to play devil's advocate- I am not a "first cost sensitive" kind of person, but rather a "life cycle cost" person. So, I need to know two things:
1. How long do they last? 2. How much do they cost to operate?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 17, 2011 13:43:21 GMT -5
Oh, and in northern climates for most of the year- heat is hardly "wasted". Just sayin'.
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Post by magichat on May 17, 2011 13:44:37 GMT -5
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Post by rovo on May 17, 2011 13:44:47 GMT -5
LED lamps are too expensive. Vacuum fluorescent should meet the standards.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 13:45:01 GMT -5
buy 500 more 100 watters.
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Post by ugonow on May 17, 2011 13:49:35 GMT -5
So republicans are now against companies making a buck...sheesh....
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Post by frep on May 17, 2011 13:52:12 GMT -5
Well, to play devil's advocate- I am not a "first cost sensitive" kind of person, but rather a "life cycle cost" person. So, I need to know two things: 1. How long do they last? 2. How much do they cost to operate? I also tend to agree but would question the "How long do they last?" portion. When I bought a house 7 years ago we replaced most of the lights with the compact fluorescent lights. Those are "supposed" to last 5 or 6 years but most of mine needed to be replaced after 2 or 3 years from what I could consider normal use.
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Post by ed1066 on May 17, 2011 13:53:53 GMT -5
So republicans are now against companies making a buck...sheesh.... I didn't see anything in the article about Republicans. Would you please provide a link?
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Post by ed1066 on May 17, 2011 13:55:00 GMT -5
Well, to play devil's advocate- I am not a "first cost sensitive" kind of person, but rather a "life cycle cost" person. So, I need to know two things: 1. How long do they last? 2. How much do they cost to operate? I also tend to agree but would question the "How long do they last?" portion. When I bought a house 7 years ago we replaced most of the lights with the compact fluorescent lights. Those are "supposed" to last 5 or 6 years but most of mine needed to be replaced after 2 or 3 years from what I could consider normal use. I found I had to replace most of mine within a year, some even sooner. Also, the quality of light from the CFLs is terrible. They suck...
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 17, 2011 13:57:04 GMT -5
What I am wondering, and if anyone knows this, but would the fed mandate that all home sales, impose upon the the seller to have all incadescent bulbs replaced with these new bulbs as a requirment to get a certificate of occupancy. And go one step further as to require them in all rental units.
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Post by magichat on May 17, 2011 13:58:13 GMT -5
What I am wondering, and if anyone knows this, but would the fed mandate that all home sales, impose upon the the seller to have all incadescent bulbs replaced with these new bulbs as a requirment to get a certificate of occupancy. And go one step further as to require them in all rental units. When you sell a home there is no federal mandate for a certificate of occupancy.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 17, 2011 13:59:31 GMT -5
When you sell a home there is no federal mandate for a certificate of occupancy.
Yeah, I know, it is a local issue. I am asking if the fed govt could/would mandate this or the state EPA, being mandated by the Fed EPA.
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Post by ugonow on May 17, 2011 14:02:44 GMT -5
Sheesh ed... just joking.Chill.
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Post by floridayankee on May 17, 2011 14:06:37 GMT -5
What I am wondering, and if anyone knows this, but would the fed mandate that all home sales, impose upon the the seller to have all incadescent bulbs replaced with these new bulbs as a requirment to get a certificate of occupancy. And go one step further as to require them in all rental units. I thought a CofA was only required for new homes? I agree for the off-brand bulbs. I've noticed the cheap wally world brand bulbs suck...they're slow getting to full intensity and burn out in a couple-three years. The name brand have been much better. They fire up to full intensity in a couple seconds and (5 years and counting in our BR lamps/ceiling fan lights) last much longer.
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Post by ugonow on May 17, 2011 14:10:57 GMT -5
I tried one in my garage and it popped within a week. I now have flourcent shop lights instead .
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 14:13:38 GMT -5
I buy light bulbs, the old kind, from the 99 cent store. Don't want bio-hazard stuff around my grandchildren. BUT-- they are...sorry.. made in China. Wonder if they will be outlawed? I sure can't afford high $$ lightbulbs.
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Post by magichat on May 17, 2011 14:14:47 GMT -5
When you sell a home there is no federal mandate for a certificate of occupancy.Yeah, I know, it is a local issue. I am asking if the fed govt could/would mandate this or the state EPA, being mandated by the Fed EPA. Of course they could mandate that, look how much unconstitutional garbage has come to pass in the last century.
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Post by ugonow on May 17, 2011 14:15:43 GMT -5
The long bulbs used in schools not only contain mercury, but phospher dust,a hazzard.
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Post by magichat on May 17, 2011 14:22:13 GMT -5
Rough numbers based on $0.09/kwh, $0.50 per incandescent lasting 2000 hours and $50 per LED would show:
Incandescent: $231.25 total cost for 50,000 hours of operation
LED: $167 total cost for 50,000 hours of operation
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Post by ugonow on May 17, 2011 14:26:43 GMT -5
Lol...is no one going to cry about a misleading headline ? The government is not mandating these bulbs. Some one complained about one of mine............ ;D For the record...I don't care.....
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on May 17, 2011 14:29:15 GMT -5
The long bulbs used in schools not only contain mercury, but phospher dust,a hazzard. So do CFLs.
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Post by ed1066 on May 17, 2011 14:30:11 GMT -5
Lol...is no one going to cry about a misleading headline ? Yes, apparently you are...
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Post by ugonow on May 17, 2011 14:30:37 GMT -5
I know.That is why I said it when she said she didn't want her grandkids around them.
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Post by ugonow on May 17, 2011 14:32:12 GMT -5
Sorry, couldn't resist.... like I said though... I don't care....
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Post by floridayankee on May 17, 2011 14:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by ed1066 on May 17, 2011 14:38:06 GMT -5
Unless those coal-fired power plants are inside your home (like the CFLs are), this isn't a relevant comparison...
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 14:44:31 GMT -5
Hasn't the gov't already passed some law that sellers have to pass an energy inspection thing just to be able to sell their home? I read it could cost sellers 10s of thousands just to be in compliance?? Or was that just talk?
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Post by ugonow on May 17, 2011 14:48:15 GMT -5
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on May 17, 2011 15:08:25 GMT -5
Hasn't the gov't already passed some law that sellers have to pass an energy inspection thing just to be able to sell their home? I read it could cost sellers 10s of thousands just to be in compliance?? Or was that just talk? Here in CA there are mandates on how much insulation a home must have for it to be sold.
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