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Post by vonnie6200 on May 16, 2011 20:38:09 GMT -5
The union companies have Cadillac health plans, but they are not rich people, so the waivers give them time to downsize their bloated plans, so they are not taxed....all really FAIR, thanks, and all part of LOWERING COSTS- tyvm ;D Pffffft!! Glad I could help, misled ones.... So union members get crappy coverage like all the other not rich people?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 20:38:38 GMT -5
I see Gingrich, McCain, Demint etc etc, were all for mandated universal insurance in the past, but when Obama wants it they never were...funny it's all on tape!! Pfffft! Lying POSs who only care about power, money, and screwing their misled followers...
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Post by formerexpat on May 16, 2011 20:39:00 GMT -5
This isn't true. These costs are absorbed by the private insurance industry, along with the underpayment to doctors of Medicare/caid patients.
Obamacare will cost the middle class dearly, both in dollars and service.
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Post by ty on May 16, 2011 20:43:22 GMT -5
He's doing it so he can get money back from these companies to support his campaign for 2012. Its the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" thing happening here. I wonder if he's going to give everyone a waiver now. If not, then none of these companies deserve them either. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Out of all the political fighting and bs going on these days, the people have forgotten about the 112 bil dollars that's missing from the stimulus money.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 20:45:49 GMT -5
Good coverage Vonnie, not over the top bloated luxury coverage...crappy is the non guaranteed coverage YOU have NOW. And google any of my stats and you will see where they come from. I've been educating the misled fo THREE YEARS- get some reality.... ;D And my book is now out on Pubit! e books- "Guilty of Just Thinking", $0.99 a section...
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 20:51:24 GMT -5
Actually he's getting most of his financing from people who see Affordable Health Care is the only way to save 45k people/year, and our health "system". But keep listening to the bought off swine.... ;D
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 16, 2011 20:54:50 GMT -5
Good coverage Vonnie, not over the top bloated luxury coverage...crappy is the non guaranteed coverage YOU have NOW. And google any of my stats and you will see where they come from. I've been educating the misled fo THREE YEARS- get some reality.... ;D And my book is now out on Pubit! e books- "Guilty of Just Thinking", $0.99 a section... So luxury coverage - if you were lucky enough to have it - is now being penalized and you are forced to the "good" coverage like every one else - or to put it another way - you will be penalized for success. And I asked about your stats - because I have friends that are bankruptcy attorneys and have been for over 20 years - they tell me medical bankruptcies are rare, the bankruptcies they see are excessive credit debt and loss of income
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 20:55:53 GMT -5
Most of the waivers are for mini plans and run out before Obamacare is implemented. The rest are for Cadillac plans and run out in 2017. Stop being totally misled by swine, please. ;D
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 16, 2011 20:57:31 GMT -5
Most of the waivers are for mini plans and run out before Obamacare is implemented. The rest are for Cadillac plans and run out in 2017. Stop being totally misled by swine, please. ;D There should be no need for waivers - it's favoring some over others - apparently what you want to do away with
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 20:58:25 GMT -5
Your friends are splitting hairs. Shysters! Google the facts!!
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 16, 2011 21:00:59 GMT -5
Your friends are splitting hairs. Shysters! Google the facts!! Splitting hairs? What do you know about bankruptcies. Facts? What is the percentage? How many bankruptcies are there? What is your time frame? What were the other underlying factors? My friends had two cases in 20 plus years
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 21:06:19 GMT -5
For example, you wearing the blinkers and listening to the doubletalking swine: Medical Bills - A Major Cause of Bankruptcy | Dallas - Fort ... Medical Bills: A Major Cause of Bankruptcy. In 1999, 500,000 people filed bankruptcy because ... when people lose their jobs, they also lose their health insurance. The ... www.markrubinlawyer.com/medical-bills-bankruptcy Is that rare- of course they lose their jobs fcs, or their insurance duh...
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 16, 2011 21:10:42 GMT -5
Well - if you lose your job a lot of things will trigger bankruptcies - especially a boatload of existing debt - maybe Obamacare wasn't needed as much as a tweaking of the system and the ability to continue with their insurance.
But again 500,000 bankruptcies out of how many?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 21:12:24 GMT -5
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 21:14:15 GMT -5
The bought off pubs and the insurers and the lawyers are your FRIENDS!! RRRiightttt!
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 16, 2011 21:17:33 GMT -5
THEY GET REALLY SICK AND GET SCREWED!!! or they start out with no insurance and try the ER route...keep the blinders on- you're fiiiiine.... Well I'm sure they will do sooo much better under Obamacare - the government is broke - this won't help and the care won't be free and people will still be getting screwed - maybe just in different ways but - There Is No Free Lunch!
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 21:20:21 GMT -5
You don't get guaranteed coverage no matter what unless you get everyone insured, and you don't get that without universal, MANDATED UNIVERSAL, Subsidized for the poor care, and for those with preexisting, and those who can no longer work, etc, etc- EVERYONE-- It's like a modern, ie non PUB country.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 21:22:11 GMT -5
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 21:23:44 GMT -5
And don't get REALLY sick, or lose your job for ANY reason, till it's implemented....
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 16, 2011 21:25:05 GMT -5
You don't get guaranteed coverage no matter what unless you get everyone insured, and you don't get that without universal, MANDATED UNIVERSAL, Subsidized for the poor care, and for those with preexisting, and those who can no longer work, etc, etc- EVERYONE-- It's like a modern, ie non PUB country. And everyone will get crap care - while the government takes more and more $ out of the pockets of the middle class - because There is No Free Lunch - someone has to pay and in this case it will be the middle class and their bill just will escalate over time
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 21:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 16, 2011 21:37:22 GMT -5
NO- it WILL be guaranteed, and it WILL be cheaper than ER care, and care that gets cut off, and care with NO COST CONTROLS--- a FOR profit "system" with no controls and 50% scam policies, and 50 million people going to the ER and blowing off payment or bankruptcy is how you get a "sytem that cost 100% MORE than anywhere else, and SUQS....our PUB "system"...Pffffft!! and all improvement in health care will be coming to a halt - as the controls go into place the ERs, clinics and doctors offices will quit inveting in new equipment, and as it is no longer profitable the new equipment will no longer be evolving etc. etc etc
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Post by vonnie6200 on May 16, 2011 21:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 21:56:52 GMT -5
Wrong, War. I just got full coverage FREE because of my injuries under the CURRENT system, WITHOUT Obamacare, WITHOUT screwing all the people that Obamacare is going to TAKE from, and REDISTRIBUTE what they already have.
You are just wrong. It's bad enough with out uninsured people like me that can't afford insurance without Obamacare, but it will be MUCH worse WITH it. SO-- you can't argue it will save money, you can't argue it will keep people like me from dying... what exactly is it you think Obamacare will fix? NOTHING, is the answer. All it will do is give gov't total control over healthcare in the USA.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 21:59:55 GMT -5
Hey-- just today I read a story about the first EVER case of a person CURED of AIDS. Think there will be money to develop that cure?? To research it?? Where will that money come from?? Answer-- it WON'T.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 16, 2011 22:24:49 GMT -5
Try and remain calm, misled ones...THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!
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