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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 18, 2011 14:48:42 GMT -5
The problem with innocent until proven guilty is that it tends to make the victims guilty until proven innocent. Not that I want that part of our criminal justice system to change - just an ugly little side affect for true victims. Well, as has been cited- the Duke case, and of course who can forget Anita Hill's made up tales of pubic hairs on Coke cans? I think we've been treated to a disgusting barrage of irrelevant information designed to cause us to convict the man before one shred of this case has been proven. I was alarmed to the point of shock watching Sean Hannity last night-- he may as well have been a leftist the way he was talking about the man's $5,000 a day hotel and expenses and the poor maid as if the fact that he's rich, and she's a maid means he's definitely guilty. But this elitist notion that he's being mistreated is simply untrue. The man was caught trying to leave the country. There's physical evidence that some kind of sexual activity took place, and now it's time to sort out the facts. If, as he has indicated, she has taken some kind of pay off to derail his political career-- you don't think that'll get noticed? When a maid suddenly turns up with a pile of money-- that'll get noticed. It looks bad. None of us would get bail under similar circumstances-- and it's really absurd to claim we would. In reality, he's probably being treated BETTER than any of us would get. Let's get it to trial quickly. I think the IMF should temporarily replace him, but should hold off on any hasty decisions to can him unless or until we know what happened and a jury has made the call. When's grand jury? Anyone know?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 14:51:48 GMT -5
Only reason I'm posting here is because Kreepy has already tried and convicted the alleged victim, and I think THAT is wrong.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 18, 2011 14:52:38 GMT -5
I think the IMF should temporarily replace him, but should hold off on any hasty decisions to can him unless or until we know what happened and a jury has made the call.
I think the IMF should do to itself what it routinely does to African countries and women.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 18, 2011 14:57:04 GMT -5
Only reason I'm posting here is because Kreepy has already tried and convicted the alleged victim, and I think THAT is wrong. Only reason I'm posting here and elsewhere on this topic is because IMF never gets a good look see. But if you google, "under microscope imf" you will see that the IMF always has some poor country or another under a microscope. They loan their pet dictators money through the World Bank printed by the Federal Reserve and then they set the rules for squeezing repayment out of the population. The insist of nationalizing once lucrative private enterprises including farms, resulting in starving populations. They are devils.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 15:00:03 GMT -5
SO-- NWO will be restructured now?? Shake up in the ranks?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 18, 2011 15:06:07 GMT -5
Well, the IMF should be disbanded and ALL this big wigs should have to find honest work-- but that's a whole 'nother subject...
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Post by marshabar1 on May 18, 2011 15:07:12 GMT -5
I hope it creates cracks in that evil enterprise. But I'm sure they'll throw him overboard, they talked about it rather sooner than one would expect. It'll just expell the poison and heal over and go along its merry way killing people and making money.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 18, 2011 15:07:47 GMT -5
I see. Like China is doing to us right now.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 18, 2011 15:08:23 GMT -5
I see. Like China is doing to us right now. Exactly.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 18, 2011 15:14:33 GMT -5
OH yeah, a poor black immigrant maid with a teenage daughter living in HIV-Aids housing working at fancy hotel for three years with no problems rip her clothes and calls her brother in hysterics for the hell of it, just felt like lying about a nice old white man all of a sudden. So, she says. I agree the alleged victim has rights too. I agree it looks bad. I know what the stats are on rape- that only about 1 in 4 rape victims even ever come forward, so if her story is true-- she deserves a medal for nailing this guy's hide to the wall. I'm just saying that we need to put down the pitchforks, take a breath, and let the judicial system proceed. If there's DNA evidence, then I am going to say he is guilty. Rough consensual sex doesn't cut it when the first story was he wasn't even in the room. Sorry if he's just covering his tracks and it results in a rape conviction. Shoulda thought about that one before you put yourself in that situation. My momma taught me the best thing ever-- if you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, then 9.9 times out of 10 "fill in the blank terrible injustice you're experiencing" wouldn't be happening to you. If you're not chasing what you think is a hooker around a hotel room fulfilling a rape fantasy-- she can't accuse you of rape and make it stick. Character can save you from so many problems...
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Post by ty on May 18, 2011 15:18:51 GMT -5
Only reason I'm posting here is because Kreepy has already tried and convicted the alleged victim, and I think THAT is wrong. Liar, Liar, Pants on fire... I never prosecuted her and convicted her. I told you Krickitt there are two sides to the story. Don't just convict the man because some woman cries rape. Yes there is a possibility that she set this whole thing up to cash in because she knows he is rich and loaded with money. Lots of women target rich men to cash in on. Just as the Lacrosse woman did with these boys. Everyone sided with her all because she cried rape, ruined these kids lives and cashed in with some of her bs stories. The same with this hotel woman. She saw an opportunity to cash in, she poor, cries rape, calls brother first, then reports to hotel manager. If I were as hysterical as Marshabar puts it, I don't think I would be calling my brother to gab with after being physically attack. I would be dialing 911.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 15:25:54 GMT -5
Smart Mama, Paul.
Kreepy-- she is an immigrant, maybe on a work visa. Probably scared to death of MANY things, one of which is having her visa revoked. I'm not at all surprised she called her brother. I personally called my mother before cops a few times, because I was terrified and did not know what to do. It's normal. I doubt many rape victims first call is to 911.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 18, 2011 15:29:42 GMT -5
Exactly, krickitt. Kreepy, immigrants are scared of law enforcement. The fact that she would ever come forward speaks to the seriousness of the situation. I think that is true for ANY woman, it's a can of worms most would rather keep a lid on if at all possible.
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Post by ty on May 18, 2011 15:31:39 GMT -5
People easily forgets that the woman walked into his room. He didn't invite her in. He was naked, she turns around and leaves, then she claims he chased her down the hallway, knocked her down, got her back up, dragged her into the bathroom of the bedroom and then tried to rape her.
WOW! He really had it all planned out. He's a short, 62 year old fat man chasing some black woman he never even met before. She;s have his age, can run faster than him, and after all this, she didn't scream once, so the others in the hotel could here her. Then she lied and said she went directly to the hotel manager and security to report it, but only after she has a lengthy conversation with her brother first.
Hotel Security allows this man to walk out the front doors without detaining him for the police. Something just isn't adding up. The next lie... he fled to the airport to try and escape. Actually he left to go and have lunch with his daughter (oh my, hes on the run), then he calls back the hotel and ask them to see if he had left his cell phone there, (oh my, man on the run, but calls back to try and find his cell phone at the scene of an alleged crime).
For me, I don't believe this woman. She claims she has bruises on here knees, So what, she's a hotel maid that has to get on her knees and clean rooms and under the beds. I did some gardening yesterday, guess what, I have a bruise on one of my knees., (oh my, I must have been raped too).
As the media pointed out, there are cameras in the hotel hallways, entry way, and lobby. So where's the video of this man chasing her and rushing pout the front doors?
It didn't happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 15:34:42 GMT -5
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Post by marshabar1 on May 18, 2011 15:35:22 GMT -5
People easily forgets that the woman walked into his room. He didn't invite her in. He was naked, she turns around and leaves, then she claims he chased her down the hallway, knocked her down, got her back up, dragged her into the bathroom of the bedroom and then tried to rape her. WOW! He really had it all planned out. He's a short, 62 year old fat man chasing some black woman he never even met before. She;s have his age, can run faster than him, and after all this, she didn't scream once, so the others in the hotel could here her. Then she lied and said she went directly to the hotel manager and security to report it, but only after she has a lengthy conversation with her brother first. Hotel Security allows this man to walk out the front doors without detaining him for the police. Something just isn't adding up. The next lie... he fled to the airport to try and escape. Actually he left to go and have lunch with his daughter (oh my, hes on the run), then he calls back the hotel and ask them to see if he had left his cell phone there, (oh my, man on the run, but calls back to try and find his cell phone at the scene of an alleged crime). For me, I don't believe this woman. She claims she has bruises on here knees, So what, she's a hotel maid that has to get on her knees and clean rooms and under the beds. I did some gardening yesterday, guess what, I have a bruise on one of my knees., (oh my, I must have been raped too). As the media pointed out, there are cameras in the hotel hallways, entry way, and lobby. So where's the video of this man chasing her and rushing pout the front doors? It didn't happen. She wasn't invited into his room? Source?
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Post by ty on May 18, 2011 15:36:22 GMT -5
Smart Mama, Paul. Kreepy-- she is an immigrant, maybe on a work visa. Probably scared to death of MANY things, one of which is having her visa revoked. I'm not at all surprised she called her brother. I personally called my mother before cops a few times, because I was terrified and did not know what to do. It's normal. I doubt many rape victims first call is to 911. Excuses, excuses, if she's an immigrant and on a Visa, she knows the laws and the rules to abide by. She could have called 911 and reported the crime if it in fact even happened. In rape cases when calling 911, they send a female officer to handle the case along with some male officers. The female talks to the female victim. She's been here for three years. She's worked at a hotel for three years. She knows how the system works. If not, then send her ass back to immigration school and learn the procedures when immigrating to America.
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Post by maui1 on May 18, 2011 15:37:51 GMT -5
the bottom line is..........he put himself in this situation, no matter who is lying. the fact is........this guy got himself into a situation, that he knew, would put himself at risk...........now he is living with the consequences of the risk he was willing to take just a few days ago.
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Post by ty on May 18, 2011 15:38:30 GMT -5
She wasn't invited into his room? Source?
The woman herself. Learn to read Marshabar. This is why you aren't grasping what actually happened. The woman herself said that she entered the mans room thinking it was empty.
Nuff said!
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Post by maui1 on May 18, 2011 15:39:31 GMT -5
unless............i missed the part of him claiming to have been raped.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 15:40:48 GMT -5
She's a MAID!! No sign on door!! No answer to knock on door!! She entered. That's what they DO. Gosh, Kreepy, I have to take a break. You're making my head explode.
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Post by ty on May 18, 2011 15:41:35 GMT -5
the bottom line is..........he put himself in this situation, no matter who is lying. the fact is........this guy got himself into a situation, that he knew, would put himself at risk...........now he is living with the consequences of the risk he was willing to take just a few days ago. How so? She enetered his room, he didn't invite her in, and then she makes these alligations after she calls her brother first. Maybe we should close down hotels now to prevent this from ever happening again.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 18, 2011 15:43:41 GMT -5
I agree that bruises on her knees are not in and of themselves evidence of rape, or even attempted rape. My understanding is that there is significant forensic evidence, including blood, that support her story.
Additionally, she isn't the only one whose story is fishy. Keep in mind he has changed his story as well- most notably from he was never even there, and never saw her to it was consensual.
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Post by ty on May 18, 2011 15:44:01 GMT -5
She's a MAID!! No sign on door!! No answer to knock on door!! She entered. That's what they DO. Gosh, Kreepy, I have to take a break. You're making my head explode. If he was in the shower, he might have not heard the knock. Do I have to break it down for you there Krickitt? Maybe she did'nt knock that loud on the door, you nor I was there. It's a she said, he said game now.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on May 18, 2011 15:45:03 GMT -5
Just because there are cameras doesn't mean every square inch is covered. And yes, a person coming from a society where police are greatly feared might well call a close family member before the police. That's how the Asian gangs got so powerful here by preying on their own people. I don't know what the time line is, he could have already left the hotel before security was called. I also don't know what is the policy of this particular hotel's security department, they may have a "do not detain, just call 911" policy.
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Post by ty on May 18, 2011 15:51:19 GMT -5
Just because there are cameras doesn't mean every square inch is covered. And yes, a person coming from a society where police are greatly feared might well call a close family member before the police. That's how the Asian gangs got so powerful here by preying on their own people. I don't know what the time line is, he could have already left the hotel before security was called. I also don't know what is the policy of this particular hotel's security department, they may have a "do not detain, just call 911" policy. If a naked man is running down a hallway chasing a hotel maid, knocks her down to the ground, grabs her, drags her back down the hallway into the bathroom, I would think thew security watching it should have called 911 and handed over the tape right then and there as evidence. They have no tapes and this whole cares imo is bs. Calling her brother first and then lying about it later is enough for me to even question her motives behind this. I'm curious to know who her brother is, and to see what kind of criminal background he may possess. If anyone is attacked, raped or whatever the case may be, you don't call a relative, you call 911 immediately, then you call a relative. If I found a person raped or bleeding to death in an alley, I'll be sure to call my buds and chat with them first to see what I should do. Juss STOOPID!
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on May 18, 2011 16:00:35 GMT -5
You don't know that security cameras had this particular spot covered at this particular time, or that it was being watched. Most security systems have their cameras focused on spots they know are most likely for trouble. I doubt a hallway with $3K rooms isn't likely to be one of them. You wouldn't call a brother first, but you weren't raised in a society (she was granted asylum here) where the main function of the police is to drag people out of their house in the middle of the night, never to be seen again.
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Post by ty on May 18, 2011 16:13:14 GMT -5
You don't know that security cameras had this particular spot covered at this particular time, or that it was being watched. Most security systems have their cameras focused on spots they know are most likely for trouble. I doubt a hallway with $3K rooms isn't likely to be one of them. You wouldn't call a brother first, but you weren't raised in a society (she was granted asylum here) where the main function of the police is to drag people out of their house in the middle of the night, never to be seen again. All the floors have cams that video the hallways (all hallways, entry and exit doors) as well. The cam on his floor wasn't too far from the room he was staying in, so yes, the area he was accused of attempted rape was recorded and viewable according to the media. This will be the defense smoking gun in this case to prove that she lied, and he will sue the State on NY for everything. It's going to be a big payday for him, not so much for her when they deport her ass back to Africa for filing false police reports. She made the claim he made her perform oral sex on him against her will. Why the hell didn't she bite the man's penis to show that there are bite marks left on him? I think it's odd that he has not markings on his face when she said she fought with him, hit him to get away from him. Too many things wrong with her story that isn't adding up Dawg. It's another Polanski case here. She will ask for a certain amount of dollars to drop the case and move on. His exwives as well have come to the press and said that this is not the way he is. He's a charmer, and he wouldn't hurt anyone. I just can't see an old, fat, short 62 yo man going up against any tall/slim 33 yo woman.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on May 18, 2011 16:26:26 GMT -5
Women journalists in France and the UK are also coming forward to say he demanded sex from them before he would grant an interview. I don't know if he's guilty or not, none of this do. All we have is what the media tells us, so of course stories get crossed by different outlets. You just seem to cry "fake" an awful lot when a woman says she was raped. And BTW, this is nothing like the Polanski case. His was statutory rape, and he admitted he had done it but thought the girl was 18. Both she and her mother told him that.
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Post by ty on May 18, 2011 16:31:28 GMT -5
Women journalists in France and the UK are also coming forward to say he demanded sex from them before he would grant an interview. I don't know if he's guilty or not, none of this do. All we have is what the media tells us, so of course stories get crossed by different outlets. You just seem to cry "fake" an awful lot when a woman says she was raped. And BTW, this is nothing like the Polanski case. His was statutory rape, and he admitted he had done it but thought the girl was 18. Both she and her mother told him that. Yep, all the women are now coming out of the woodwork to collect. They said he demanded sex, but they didn't say he raped or attempted to rape them. lmao, so it must be ok to drug an rape an 18 yo now. That's rich coming from the likes of you.
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