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Post by pepper112765 on May 10, 2011 16:57:35 GMT -5
So-- you are okay with what Common said, and take exception to the comments to the video? The people making stupid comments were not invited to the WH. What do you think about what Common said? Is it a positive message? Does it represent the USA? How do you know that the stupid commenters aren't invited to the White House? They are anonymous posters and believe me, people are really, really, brave under the guise of anonymity that they don't hesitate to spew hate. And guess what, it is their First Amendment privilege to do so. And, I happen to work for a law firm that protects the rights of anonymous posters so that they stay anonymous even when I don't agree with some of what's said. And, in that vein, just like you can say what you like about President Obama, Bush, Palin, Hannity, Beck or whomever else, so does Common. Respect it. You can't say what you want and then deny someone else that same privilege because you don't agree with it. right to I took the time to transcribe the video: Dem boy want to talk like they wanna gwan come But what you going to do if you got one gun? I sing a song for the hero unsung With faces on the mirror of the revolution No looking back cause in back is what’s done Tell the preacher, God got more than one son. Tell the law my Uzi weighs a ton I walk like a warrior from them I won’t run On the streets they try to beat us like a drum In Cincinnati another brother hung Again he won’t see the sun, with his family stung They want us to hold justice but you not handing me none. The same that they did to Kobe and Michael Jackson Make them the main attraction turn around and attack them. Black gem in the rough You rugged enough Use you mind and nine power, get the government touch. Them boy chat, chat on how him pop gun I got the black strap to make the cops run They watching me, I’m watching them Them dick boys got a lot of cock in them My people on the block got a lot of ‘Pac in them And when we roll together we be rocking them to sleep No time for that cause it’s things to be done Stay true to what I do so the youth dream come From project building Seen a fiend being hung With that happening why they messin’ with Saddam? Burn a bush, cause for peace he push no button. Killing over oil and grease no weapons of destruction How can we follow a leader when it’s a corrupt one? The government is a G-Unit and they might buck young Black people in the urban area one I hold up a peace sign but I carry a gun. To me, he is speaking about the abuse of power with respect to law enforcement and government and in particular the abuse of power of the police in urban areas. A lot of times that stuff is swept under the rug, unless someone videotapes it. Remember Rodney King? What I also get from this is that he is a peaceful man who won't hesitate to defend himself. For me to do a proper explication of this poem would take a lot more time and to be honest, that exercise would be wasted on you.
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Post by steff on May 10, 2011 17:01:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 17:14:46 GMT -5
I worked the streets at night in a cab for a long, long time. I watched the cops hose down the blood, bag up the bodies, get the drunks off the road , and provide assistance to beat, robbed, raped, stabbed, shot, and dead cab drivers for a long time. I never turned off my cab at night unless I was parked within eyesight of a cop, and all the cabbies know where the cops wait. I have a great deal of respect for cops, and nothing to fear from them. You guys do what you want. That song is not the message I taught my kids, nor do I believe it is a message the majority of Americans would agree with. Nothing more to say, I guess. I think out of all the musicians out there this one was a bad pick, you think he is fine. Pretty good bet that 2012 will end the gangsta rap in the WH for a few years.
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Post by ty on May 10, 2011 17:19:59 GMT -5
Will it ever end?
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Post by pepper112765 on May 10, 2011 20:14:16 GMT -5
I worked the streets at night in a cab for a long, long time. I watched the cops hose down the blood, bag up the bodies, get the drunks off the road , and provide assistance to beat, robbed, raped, stabbed, shot, and dead cab drivers for a long time. I never turned off my cab at night unless I was parked within eyesight of a cop, and all the cabbies know where the cops wait. I have a great deal of respect for cops, and nothing to fear from them. You guys do what you want. That song is not the message I taught my kids, nor do I believe it is a message the majority of Americans would agree with. Nothing more to say, I guess. I think out of all the musicians out there this one was a bad pick, you think he is fine. Pretty good bet that 2012 will end the gangsta rap in the WH for a few years. First off that video is over three years old, at least. I don't see how one can make a blanket assumption about someone without reviewing their whole body of work. All of his lyrics are on line as well as many other artists. Common was never a "gangsta rapper" he is a concious rapper, even 7 months ago he was considered by Fox News Reporter Jason Robinson a "rap legend," and that his "music was positive." All I want for some of you to do is do some research before regurgitating other's opinions because sometimes those opinions are incorrect or grossly taken out of context to satisfy an agenda. The internet is at your fingertips, use it to educate yourself ... never blanketly believe everything you read, do your research. Whether you like him or not, that's your prerogative. But Common, just as any other artist or individual, has the privilege of expressing themselves, just as you do. That is what makes this country so great, that you are able to articulate your opinions without being taken from your house in the dead of night and jailed like some are in other countries.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 20:15:30 GMT -5
LOL!!! Common performing at his church in '08. Yep- Trinity. The good Rev. Wright's church.
"God DAMM America!!!!"
TOO funny. These revolutionaries do stick together. Chicago is crawling with them.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 20:22:56 GMT -5
Hey, I'm sure he has some good music. Heck- I like 50 cent, but I don't think he should be hanging out in the WH. Each to his own, but I would have gone with someone less likely to make a stir. Not that the Obamas give a dang what anybody thinks as long as they are having fun and their "friends" are taken care of.
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Post by pepper112765 on May 10, 2011 20:42:41 GMT -5
Hey, I'm sure he has some good music. Heck- I like 50 cent, but I don't think he should be hanging out in the WH. Each to his own, but I would have gone with someone less likely to make a stir. Not that the Obamas give a dang what anybody thinks as long as they are having fun and their "friends" are taken care of. Like who? I'm sure anyone they invite would be the cause of some comment. And, I actually enjoyed Brad Paisley's performance and the headlines then was the White House was going country. Oh, the horror! I happen to like Common as well as other artists, some of whom may be controversial. I guess it's a good thing they didn't invite another Chicago native Kanye West... you know he said Bush didn't care about black people during the aftermath of Katrina. Or Eminem, maybe, or even Chuck D from Public Enemy. What if Mel Gibson was invited? Who would that upset? If everyone worried about what everyone thought before making a decision to do something, nothing would ever get done. I just think this is silly. There are more important things going on than a poet who also happens to rap and act, getting invited to the White House.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 20:45:45 GMT -5
Hey, what happened to my video? ?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 20:47:20 GMT -5
This message has been deleted. Board is going wonky on me............
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 10, 2011 20:47:21 GMT -5
To me, he is speaking about the abuse of power with respect to law enforcement and government and in particular the abuse of power of the police in urban areas.
Nice interpretation but I thought it sounded more like a punk who thinks he's tough walking around with a pea shooter in his pants. No mention of working or doing something of value to earn a living. Try bringing that attitude out to the rural areas and see how fast he'd be shown what a real gun looks like. Koby and Michael? Give me a break. I'm sure they don't, didn't, feel too bad with all their millions upon millions of dollars.
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Post by pepper112765 on May 10, 2011 21:18:11 GMT -5
To me, he is speaking about the abuse of power with respect to law enforcement and government and in particular the abuse of power of the police in urban areas.Nice interpretation but I thought it sounded more like a punk who thinks he's tough walking around with a pea shooter in his pants. No mention of working or doing something of value to earn a living. Try bringing that attitude out to the rural areas and see how fast he'd be shown what a real gun looks like. Koby and Michael? Give me a break. I'm sure they don't, didn't, feel too bad with all their millions upon millions of dollars. Dalton McGuinty Burns III When one is reciting, they are actually narrating, it is part of the persona that they are "rapping" about, so yes, they speak in the first person sometimes for effect. Don't know if I can explain it any better than that. This is poetry, and it is supposed to affect the reader or the listener if recited. This is how I choose to look at it. But, that's the beauty of poetry, one comes away with their own interpretation of it. Doesn't make anyone wrong or right, but could produce stimulating conversation about varying interpretations. I'm done with this topic... Everyone have a good night.
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Post by ugonow on May 11, 2011 8:54:58 GMT -5
Times change.Just 6 months ago he was great------ Print Email "Very Positive": Fox News' Smear Of "Vile Rapper" Common Debunked By Own Reporting May 10, 2011 4:07 pm ET by Eric Hananoki
Conservatives such as Fox News, the Daily Caller and Sarah Palin are criticizing the White House's invitation to rapper Common for a poetry event over the purported vulgarity of his lyrics. Fox Nation, for instance, called Common a "vile rapper."
But roughly half-a-year ago, Fox News had a different tone about Common. In an October 2010 report for FoxNews.com, reporter Jason Robinson interviewed the "rap legend" and told him, "your music is very positive. And you're known as the conscious rapper. How important is that to you, and how important do you think that is to our kids?"
Common replied that it's a "significant role. I just try to show who we are as well-rounded people and I'm happy to be known as the conscious artist."
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Others have debunked the silly outrage over Common's invite. The Huffington Post's Jason Linkins writes that Common is "not what I consider to be a 'gangsta rapper' or particularly prone to any of hip-hop's legendary excesses. In fact, it was these excesses - 'poppin glocks servin rocks and hittin switches' -- that Common famously criticized in perhaps his most famous song, 'I Used To Love H.E.R.'" The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf, meanwhile, notes that there's a tradition of previous White Houses hosting people with purportedly controversial lyrics. "
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Post by marshabar1 on May 11, 2011 20:38:41 GMT -5
I can't believe the Obamas are going ahead with this. New Jersey police are very upset. Understandably so. Just a little thought to the timing would have been nice. Trooper Werner Foerster was shot and killed with his own weapon after stopping a female on the New Jersey Turnpike. His partner was wounded in the shootout. The two suspects were members of the Black Liberation Army. Both suspects were convicted of Trooper Foerster's murder, but the female suspect escaped from prison in 1979 with outside help and fled to Cuba where she has remained at large.
An accomplice who helped the second suspect escape was placed on the FBI 10 most wanted list in 1982 and was arrested in 1986 for his involvement in killing two Nyack Policemen in 1981.
Trooper Foerster had been a member of the New Jersey State Police Department for almost 3 years. He is survived by his wife and two children and is buried in Beth Abraham Cemetery, East Brunswick, Middlesex County, New Jersey.
The Route 18 overpass on the New Jersey Turnpike was dedicated the Werner Foerster Overpass in his honor.
The Black Liberation Army was a violent, radical group that attempted to fight for independence from the United States government in the late 1960's and early 1970's. The BLA was responsible for the murders of more than 10 police officers around the country. They were also responsible for violent attacks around the country that left many police officers wounded.www.odmp.org/officer/4964-trooper-werner-foersterRapper who celebrated convicted cop killer and called for burning of George W Bush welcomed to White House poetry night on Wednesday
Hip-hop artist has links to Obama's shamed former pastor who blamed America for 9/11 terror attacks
Police unions voice disgust at event held during week commemorating deaths of officers
Predominantly black guest list also includes singer who said marriage between a black man and a white woman made her 'wince'
White House says President opposes 'harmful' lyrics but stands by rapperwww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386032/Outrage-Michelle-Obama-welcomes-rapper-Common-White-House.html#ixzz1M68OgRAsJust not a real nice thing to do and not that bright either.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 11, 2011 22:02:03 GMT -5
I wonder how the happy Obama party went??
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Post by lakhota on May 11, 2011 22:20:10 GMT -5
Jon Stewart blew the lid off this loony nonsense tonight, showing clips of Bush honoring Johnny Cash and Hannity honoring his buddy Ted Nugent. Anyone remember their lyrics? It was hilarious - and true.
Stewart also demonstrated how righties obviously don't understand poetry...
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 11, 2011 22:26:14 GMT -5
Jon Stewart blew the lid off this loony nonsense tonight
Does he still work for the Communist News Network? I wonder if he has eyes on Anderson Bloopers job.
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Post by lakhota on May 11, 2011 22:28:09 GMT -5
burns, you must be a registered genius, because nothing you say makes sense.
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 11, 2011 22:41:27 GMT -5
Oh, that lousy comedian. Was thinking of the other Stewart on CNN (Communist News Network). How do you like Anderson Blooper?
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Post by lakhota on May 11, 2011 22:45:22 GMT -5
Referring To Grammy-Winning Hip-Hop Artist, Rove Slams The Obamas For Inviting A Thug To The White HouseHowever, about seven months ago, Fox News interviewer Jason Robinson spoke to Common and praised him, saying he’s “very positive.” “You’re known as the conscious rapper,” Robinson said. Common responded that being an artist is a “significant role.” More: thinkprogress.org/2011/05/11/karl-rove-white-house-common-thu/
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 12:30:51 GMT -5
Is Obama King's gift from God? Well, if he is-- why is he so divide and conquer oriented? That's was not King's dream..
Well, at least Common has cleaned up the gangsta talk.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 12, 2011 12:37:28 GMT -5
I wonder why Obama didn't bring in Reverend Wright to read a Frank Marshall Davis poem? Would have been perfect. Homage to black poetry and to his two mentors at the same time. From "Peace Quiz for America" Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam Why did you send me against Axis foes In the death-kissed foxholes Of New Guinea and Europe Without shielding my back From the sniping Dixie lynchers In the jungles of Texas and Florida?
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Post by Tennesseer on May 12, 2011 12:49:30 GMT -5
Excellent poem by Frank Marshall Davis.
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Post by magichat on May 12, 2011 12:50:37 GMT -5
Excellent poem by Frank Marshall Davis. Obviously that can't be true, it says something bad about the Federal Government, for shame Tennesseer. ;D
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Post by pepper112765 on May 12, 2011 12:52:42 GMT -5
I wonder why Obama didn't bring in Reverend Wright to read a Frank Marshall Davis poem? Would have been perfect. Homage to black poetry and to his two mentors at the same time. From "Peace Quiz for America" Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam Why did you send me against Axis foes In the death-kissed foxholes Of New Guinea and Europe Without shielding my back From the sniping Dixie lynchers In the jungles of Texas and Florida? Because it was a poetry reading...and that poem above as well as many other represent the "black," "african-american," "negro" experience in America and there are many, just as there are for the Irish, the Jewish, the Native American, Chicano (Pat Mora) you get my drift. Petty ... *sigh*
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Post by magichat on May 12, 2011 12:52:32 GMT -5
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Post by marshabar1 on May 12, 2011 13:08:16 GMT -5
Oh gosh!!!
I wonder if Obama recited his own poem?POP Sitting in his seat, a seat broad and broken In, sprinkled with ashes Pop switches channels, takes another Shot of Seagrams, neat, and asks What to do with me, a green young man Who fails to consider the Flim and flam of the world, since Things have been easy for me; I stare hard at his face, a stare That deflects off his brow; I’m sure he’s unaware of his Dark, watery eyes, that Glance in different directions, And his slow, unwelcome twitches, Fail to pass. I listen, nod, Listen, open, till I cling to his pale, Beige T-shirt, yelling, Yelling in his ears, that hang With heavy lobes, but he’s still telling His joke, so I ask why He’s so unhappy, to which he replies... But I don’t care anymore, cause He took too damn long, and from Under my seat, I pull out the Mirror I’ve been saving; I’m laughing, Laughing loud, the blood rushing from his face To mine, as he grows small, A spot in my brain, something That may be squeezed out, like a Watermelon seed between Two fingers. Pop takes another shot, neat, Points out the same amber Stain on his shorts that I’ve got on mine, and Makes me smell his smell, coming From me; he switches channels, recites an old poem He wrote before his mother died, Stands, shouts, and asks For a hug, as I shrink, my Arms barely reaching around His thick, oily neck, and his broad back; ’cause I see my face, framed within Pop’s black-framed glasses And know he’s laughing too.
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