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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 8, 2011 10:02:02 GMT -5
Oh, wait- was it the question about why this thread should be here at all? Is that the question?
This is the POLITICS and MARKETS board
This thread is NOT about ME. The thread is about politics-- our governing philosophy. And the markets- our free market system. It is a microcosm from my own life about how and why we are organized, and an example from the classic argument for free markets: Incentives Matter.
Didn't expect a lot of liberals to know, let alone understand that. The purpose of this thread is to explain it, using an example from my own life, and hopefully persuade liberals of their error, and of the moral, political, and economic superiority of individual liberty and free markets.
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Post by ugonow on May 8, 2011 10:05:39 GMT -5
Because all libs want a hand out and everyone knows there are no right leaning people that recieve government programs.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 8, 2011 10:05:54 GMT -5
yes well he also has said that an unmarried woman is either a nun, or a whore. i asked him, as a single man, was he a monk or a gigolo (male equivalents) but he didn't bother to answer. It is increasingly baffling to me how many liberals here have no sense of humor-- actually, it's worse-- they have no ability to detect humor, sarcasm, a joke, etc. So, in this case I didn't respond because there was nothing to respond to. When you post a serious response to something that is so clearly a joke-- why would I respond?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 8, 2011 10:08:03 GMT -5
Because all libs want a hand out and everyone knows there are no right leaning people that recieve government programs. I'm for free markets. That's why even I, the great right leaning one, posted the "Business loves handouts" thread wherein I pointed out that Steve Forbes-- proponent of the flat tax and noted Republican Presidential candidate is by all accounts also a "rancher" in New Jersey.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 8, 2011 10:09:09 GMT -5
I'm going out to play.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 8, 2011 10:09:19 GMT -5
It is increasingly baffling to me how many liberals here have no sense of humor-- actually, it's worse-- they have no ability to detect humor, sarcasm, a joke, etc. So, in this case I didn't respond because there was nothing to respond to. When you post a serious response to something that is so clearly a joke-- why would I respond? for one, i have stated several times that i do not affiliate myself with ANY political leaning. i despise politics.. however, that statement you made had NO emoticons indicating humor whatsoever, and several other posts from that thread would certainly indicate you were 100% serious.. therefore, there was no way to determine if it was a supposed joke. and that's why i asked.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 8, 2011 10:11:44 GMT -5
"T he Copeland's are Word of Faith preachers/teachers. Their "name it and claim it" fame have deceived millions around the world. These Word of Faith preachers all pretty much adhere to the same philosophy. They believe that you can become a little god. That you can proclaim your own health and wealth just by speaking it. That Jesus did not pay for our sins on the cross but went to hell for our atonement. They also say that its all your fault if you are not healthy and wealthy because you lack in faith. These preachers teach that you have no reason to be poor because Jesus was not poor therefore if you are a follower of Jesus, you can and should be rich also. They claim that Jesus lived in a rich house by the sea and had so much money that He needed to appoint a treasurer to hold it all. They never once will say that maybe all the money Jesus and his followers had was a small amount and they kept it all together to keep it safe because they needed it so badly. Their claims are definitely one sided with prosperity being on their side of course. About the Word of Faith movements the following had this to say: Walter Martin of the Christian Research Institute said the following: "The study of the Kingdom of the Cults has taught me many profitable lessons, and this is one of them--error begets error; heresy begets heresy and always in the name of truth, always in the name of the gospel. Those who propagate these erroneous views ('little gods,' the 'born again Jesus,' and so on) have sadly crossed over into the kingdom of the cults and stand in need of genuine repentance, lest they come under the inevitability of divine judgment. It is dangerous, in the presence of God, to affirm oneself as a deity--even with a small 'g.' It is blasphemous to speak in the name of God and utter false prophecies. It is the height of theological folly to reduce God the Son, second Person of the holy Trinity, to a lost sinner with the nature of Satan and then send Him to hell with the requirement of regeneration before He can complete the work of redemption." (Walter Martin, "You Shall Be As Gods," Agony of Deceit, page 92-93) John F. MacArthur, Jr. said the following: I received a mailing sent out by one rather extreme Word-Faith teacher named David Eppley (sp.). A brochure was included with a bar of prayer-blessed soap, quote, We are going to wash away all bad luck, sickness, misfortunes, and evil! Yes, even that evil person you want out of your life. Jesus helped a man wash blindness from his eyes; I want to help you concerning hexes, vexes, home problems, love, happiness, and joy. (the brochure said). Inside the brochure were testimonies from people who had been blessed by that ministry. "Door opens to new job!" said one. "An $80,000 dream comes true!" said another. "Couldn't use my hand for twelve years!" said another. Also inside was a personal letter from the pastor closing with a full page of instructions on how to use the soap. If you used it right it would bring you healing and money, Now, after you wash the poverty from your hands, take out the largest bill or check you have. That $100, $50, or $20 bill, hold it in your clean hands and say, "In Jesus' name I dedicate this gift to God's work and expect a miracle return of money." And of course, your largest bill or check must be sent to David Eppley (sp.). The last paragraph said, Through this gift of discernment, I see someone sending a $25 offering and God is showing me a large check coming to them in the next short while I mean "large;" it looks like over $1,000! I know this sounds strange but you know me well enough to know that I have to obey God when He speaks. I'll be here waiting for your answer. Frankly, that sounds more like Black Magic. Certainly a more outrageous example than most, but still it reflects a style that is typical of nearly all Word-Faith ministries. If it was just plain hucksterism that would be bad enough. I guess I could tell you honestly, I could take Reverend Ike. I could take Reverend Ike because . . . (I don't know if you know who he is, but if you don't, don't worry about him)--but, I can take Reverend Ike because he uses the same gimmick, but he doesn't make it Christian! What corrupts so devastatingly is to tie this kind of con game into Christ! Word-Faith teachers have corrupted the heart of New Testament Christianity. They have moved the believers' focus off sound doctrine, worship, service, sacrifice, and ministry; and they have shifted it instead to promised physical, financial, and material blessings. Those blessings are the cargo that God is supposed to deliver to those who know and follow the Word-Faith formula. Please move this post to the thread on the topic. I am not interested in addressing Mr. Copeland period- but especially not on my thread. Thank you.
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Post by ugonow on May 8, 2011 10:12:24 GMT -5
Enjoy,Paul.Hope it as is nice as it is here for ya today.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 8, 2011 10:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by ugonow on May 8, 2011 10:24:08 GMT -5
I thought it was relevant to your post,Paul.Copeland preaches being wealthy is akin to being closer to God.I apologize for messing up your thread......------<<<<"My Bible says that to whom much is given, much is expected. We have been given opportunity. We have a responsibility to maximize that opportunity on behalf of people (this is my opinion, and interpretation of scripture) who will never have such opportunities to a) Bring them opportunities, and help them develop their own opportunities; and b) to help the poorest of the poor-- those in dire need around the world.
I think people get confused-- especially liberals-- I think they think that we have theocracy, and the Jesus they love is a socialist, and paying taxes is like tithing.
But we're free. We don't have a socialist country by law-- we are free. The MORAL responsibility is up to us-- up to the individual. As libs are fond of saying-- you can't legislate morality.>>>>>
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 8, 2011 10:40:28 GMT -5
<<< and in a free country- why shouldn't it be our expectation that we would be able to enjoy the fruits of our labor? >>> ...herein lies the crux of this matter, imo... when I feel less "free," I feel less "American," and am willing to "take my ball" elsewhere... iow, the "American Way" inlcudes "get outta my way." ...by the rate things are going in DC, it doesn't bode well for continued GDP growth here, huh?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 8, 2011 10:58:20 GMT -5
Oh, wait- was it the question about why this thread should be here at all? Is that the question? This is the POLITICS and MARKETS board This thread is NOT about ME. The thread is about politics-- our governing philosophy. And the markets- our free market system. It is a microcosm from my own life about how and why we are organized, and an example from the classic argument for free markets: Incentives Matter. Didn't expect a lot of liberals to know, let alone understand that. The purpose of this thread is to explain it, using an example from my own life, and hopefully persuade liberals of their error, and of the moral, political, and economic superiority of individual liberty and free markets. Palm what I find a waste of time is your sounding your horn of how successful you are, on a cyber board, where to be honest, no one knows if you are the next "Soros, big Bill " or just a blowhard as far as your proclaimed success as a businessman. No way of knowing and to take it as fact, on this board where so much proclaiming of fact is so Bogus, why do it, no one is really interested in ones supposed success or not, just ones ideas and thoughts on topics. Your continuous proclamations of superior business success, this is not the first such yadda on the subject by you, relating to you and your business accomplishments and to be honest, to me, "He who who professes personal accomplishments constantly , professes to much to be believed." "The world according to deziloooooo"
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 12:15:00 GMT -5
Thanks for expressing your POLITICAL POV on the board, paul. Several times lately I have seen threads challenged as to why they are on this POLITICAL board just because they do not match the political POV of the majority on the board. Good luck to you in everything you do, and keep posting. Not sure what all these folks will do once they have run all the conservatives off the board with their insults and attacks. Pat each other on the back... then what? Another EE, I guess, since there will be no one to hate on. I would LOVE to be rich. A lot of good can be done with a lot of money. Power to ya!
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Post by bobbysgirl on May 8, 2011 12:25:34 GMT -5
Just ask yourselves who's your Lord, corporations or Jesus? And we've read enough of your posts to know what the answer is. MKITTY Do you mean me or paul?
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Post by bobbysgirl on May 8, 2011 12:30:33 GMT -5
And, i have seen businesses where someone gives decades of their sweat and toil only to be tossed aside like yesterday's garbage while lecturing other employees about "loyalty". If it is all about the bottom line.
Sadly SNERD, this was me. I felt so stupid for encouraging loyalty. Never again.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 8, 2011 12:31:09 GMT -5
<<< I would LOVE to be rich. >>> ...you are... too many people in this world truly living hand to mouth... think about it... ...and Happy Mother's Day...
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Post by bobbysgirl on May 8, 2011 12:38:21 GMT -5
but Bill Gates has done more for humanity than Mother Theresa-- and I'm a Christian.
PAUL: God doesn't care about giving computers to schools and libraries. He does care about a person's soul. BG couldn't clean Mother Teresa's shoes. I must have had a weak moment when I looked to you for support. My physical reaction to you today is a sick stomach.
'...But they will say Lord Lord. I did this and that for you. And do you remember what the Lord said, Paul?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 12:39:40 GMT -5
Actually, been there-- I am dirt poor right now, down with broken bones, out of work, and dependent on my children right now to help me get around. My share of the bills is paid for 2 more months, and then I will have nothing if I am still unable to start looking for a new job. But, as the old saying goes-- I have never been hired by a poor person. Can't identify your sex, but we were all born of a woman either way, so Happy Mother's Day to you, also!!
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Post by deziloooooo on May 8, 2011 12:43:04 GMT -5
"Not sure what all these folks will do once they have run all the conservatives off the board with their insults and attacks." -----------------------------------------------------------
Seems to me we have a nice mix of both here, pubs and libs and don't see any one being run off somewhere ---------------------------------------------
As far as "insults and attacks " , if you mean responses against what one posts from those with a different view point, isn't that what it is all about?
However, I will say that stalking some one purposely and personally attacking them personally, not on the ideas posted, that is not right and why we have moderators here, and feel for the most part they do a good job in handling those situations.
However, being human, possible not realizing there is a personal attack going on they may miss some of those.
My suggestion, some one feels they are being stalked personally attacked , not their ideas but they them selves, just use the ";report to Mod " feature, and they, the mods will look at the particular incident.
Possible ignore, if in their minds not happening, personal or just a retort to a post against them.
{Important not to do that, other wise just another back and forth between two parties, happens here a lot, and always will. }
If nothing is done after a while, then use the PM feature and discuss it, guarantee you will get a PM back and if still nothing done to correct what complainer feels is a injustice, then ignore it and move on, life doesn't always work out as one want it to, or , appeal to moon to look at it.
If moon also agrees with the moderator well you have done all you can, there is always throwing some cups and saucers, giving the bird to the screen of your computer, [My favorite]even if really up set , possible give the whole arm[only used when extremely upset] and just wait for the next attack and start all over again..
or go form your own pro board and don't allow moon and the moderators to become members. ;D
What ever is done, what should not be done, is take it public, not wanted, except by those here who like drama and theater and voyarism, for the rest it just makes one take sides on what really is a private issue.
If one wants to chime in, seeing something going on that they feel is not right, personal attacks on a fellow poster, then also send PM's to the appropriate people, moderators , even moon, expressing your feelings or use the "report to mod "feature.
My thoughts.
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Post by ameiko on May 8, 2011 13:06:41 GMT -5
God Bless America and God Bless Paul!
He made me stand up and salute! We need more of him and less Warsaws! Unfortunately with Barry and his ilk, we'll go the other way.
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:07:54 GMT -5
Oh, bull hockey, paul! Every paragraph is rife with "me", "my", "we", "I", or "mine". It's all about YOU. It's all about you apparently perceiving yourself as better than others who might not have as much as you claim to have. Not everyone is interested in being rich. Some of us are happy enough to be comfortable and able to help other people achieve the same.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 13:10:59 GMT -5
and the war on wealth marches on.....................................................................
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Post by busymom on May 8, 2011 13:22:02 GMT -5
Snerd, I'm giving you Karma for post #46---Totally agree!! Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending how you look at things) I've worked at a company where the manager worked to build the company by encouraging employees, giving them time off without whining if they had a personal crisis to deal with, roll up their sleeves & help when the workload got heavy, AND THEN, (after good manager gets promoted) they bring in a new guy who treats people like crap, works them to death while he sits in his office eating a hot breakfast, belittles people in front of others, business goes down so he blames the staff (instead of looking in the mirror), etc.
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:24:31 GMT -5
and the war on wealth marches on..................................................................... Heh. I have no war on wealth, krickitt. I do have a war on selfishness, however, and I have a war on those whose heads are so far up their own butts they can't see those around them who could use their help and encouragement for the piles of ME, ME, ME that are blocking their vision.
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2011 13:24:45 GMT -5
... He made me stand up and salute! ... Please Sir!!! Remember we may have children reading this!
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:26:53 GMT -5
No sour grapes here, lonewolf. I actually do quite well, but I'm not rich and not seeking to be rich. Much of what I could have I don't, because I give away the skills that would earn it. That's my choice. You mileage may vary, and that's fine with me. Paul's mileage varies, and that's also fine with me. What isn't fine with me is a person who's featuring him/herself as the greatest thing since sliced bread claiming to do otherwise.
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:35:12 GMT -5
I don't consider paul "master" of anything. One can't know that, can one? We don't know paul, really. We only know what he posts here. He could be living in a shelter, for all we actually know. Nope. Paul isn't the "master" to me. Mother Teresa was poor as a church mouse, but I consider her a "master". Ghandi the same. There are a lot of "masters", and money isn't the criteria most use to measure who is one and who isn't. There's more to life than amassing tons of money. The real strength of the individual is shown more in what they do with what they have than in what they have, IMO.
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:37:08 GMT -5
Wow! MM. I wrote the words "ME, ME, ME" and posted (# 103) before I saw your post. Hee! I saw that, lonewolf! Sometimes, two people will see the same thing glowing from a post, and will have different takes on it. That's what makes people (and message boards, by extension) so interesting, I think.
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2011 13:37:35 GMT -5
No sour grapes here, lonewolf. I actually do quite well, but I'm not rich and not seeking to be rich. Much of what I could have I don't, because I give away the skills that would earn it. That's my choice. You mileage may vary, and that's fine with me. Paul's mileage varies, and that's also fine with me. What isn't fine with me is a person who's featuring him/herself as the greatest thing since sliced bread claiming to do otherwise. But isn't it the masters who teach us? Maybe Paul does come off a little strong, but I see his words as wise. 81 True words aren't eloquent; eloquent words aren't true. Wise men don't need to prove their point; men who need to prove their point aren't wise.
The Master has no possessions. The more he does for others, the happier he is. The more he gives to others, the wealthier he is.
The Tao nourishes by not forcing. By not dominating, the Master leads. academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/texts/taote-v3.html
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2011 13:38:11 GMT -5
But isn't it the masters who teach us? Maybe Paul does come off a little strong, but I see his words as wise. 81 True words aren't eloquent; eloquent words aren't true. Wise men don't need to prove their point; men who need to prove their point aren't wise.
The Master has no possessions. The more he does for others, the happier he is. The more he gives to others, the wealthier he is.
The Tao nourishes by not forcing. By not dominating, the Master leads. academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/texts/taote-v3.html Abso-damned-lutely, bills!
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