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Post by lakhota on May 10, 2011 3:48:13 GMT -5
pappyjohn99, I'm going to keep an eye on you. Not that I totally agree with you, but you do sound like an intelligent, reasonable and thoughtful person - a thinking man. I'll be more careful in the future about what information I throw your way...
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 10, 2011 3:56:33 GMT -5
lol. Thank you Lakhota. It's a shame that I am a two finger typist or I would have a lot more fun with the extreme liberals on this board.
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Post by shelby on May 10, 2011 14:27:11 GMT -5
"I guess the poor and middle class never get cancer treatment? "
Not if they get they want and most tea partiers want which is no free or affordable healthcare for the poor.
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Post by cme1201 on May 10, 2011 14:29:38 GMT -5
"I guess the poor and middle class never get cancer treatment? " Not if they get they want and most tea partiers want which is no free or affordable healthcare for the poor. BULLSHIT.
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Post by shelby on May 10, 2011 14:39:18 GMT -5
Then I must I must have a comeplete lack of understanding of what the tea party wants..I thought they were totally against tax payer funded healthcare and ANY entitelments for the poor. Are you saying it would be OK for poor people to get treatments they cannot afford or pay for and tax payers pick up the bill? Honestly what is their stance because that is what I am hearing.
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Post by floridayankee on May 10, 2011 15:08:10 GMT -5
Then I must I must have a comeplete lack of understanding of what the tea party wants..I thought they were totally against tax payer funded healthcare and ANY entitelments for the poor. Are you saying it would be OK for poor people to get treatments they cannot afford or pay for and tax payers pick up the bill? Honestly what is their stance because that is what I am hearing. The way I see it, they're more for accepting the "pain" of fiscal sanity over the despair of financial collapse.
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Post by shelby on May 10, 2011 15:43:29 GMT -5
"The way I see it, they're more for accepting the "pain" of fiscal sanity over the despair of financial collapse."
Ok then in their little world expensive cancer treatments would not be benefited by the poor.
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Post by floridayankee on May 11, 2011 6:53:18 GMT -5
"The way I see it, they're more for accepting the "pain" of fiscal sanity over the despair of financial collapse." Ok then in their little world expensive cancer treatments would not be benefited by the poor. I have no clue about "their world" to tell you the truth. I'm pretty sure that neither liberals or conservatives want people to suffer. I do know that some have come to realize that government is completely unable to prevent all suffering. But IMHO, expensive cancer treatments merely delay the inevitable most of the time anyway no matter who is paying for it. I know a woman going through expensive cancer treatment and she literally looks like she's been put through the wringer. Personally, I would opt out.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 11, 2011 7:06:29 GMT -5
>>But IMHO, expensive cancer treatments merely delay the inevitable most of the time anyway no matter who is paying for it.<<
I recall reading somewhere that 80% of the expenses for major treatment is incurred in the last week of a patients life. Perhaps this a cruel thought, but how many dollars should we spend to extend a persons life for one week?
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 9:41:38 GMT -5
I have no clue about "their world" to tell you the truth. I'm pretty sure that neither liberals or conservatives want people to suffer. I do know that some have come to realize that government is completely unable to prevent all suffering. But IMHO, expensive cancer treatments merely delay the inevitable most of the time anyway no matter who is paying for it. I know a woman going through expensive cancer treatment and she literally looks like she's been put through the wringer. Personally, I would opt out. Wanting people to suffer and not giving a crap if people suffer are two different things. They are apathetic to the plight of anyone except themselves. In their 'free market' health care system, cancer treatment for regular people would be a thing of the past. I recommend you ask a cancer survivor if their expensive chemo/radiation was worth the money. So I guess you are going to jump off a bridge if you find a lump on one of your nuts, right? There exists a solution that benefits everyone at a fair price, so why not do it? Why are our citizens not worth having basic healthcare so a few giant corporations can make their blood money? The tea partiers need to just go ahead and sign away their Medicare so they at least appear like they really have a problem with 'government intervention in their healthcare'. Go out and buy your own grandpa, good luck.
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Post by floridayankee on May 11, 2011 9:52:59 GMT -5
...how many dollars should we spend to extend a persons life for one week? I'm not qualified to make that decision for someone else, so I can only make my own. If I have a small tumor, ok, we'll try to fix it for a little bit. If it's a large tumor and spreading...forgedaboudit. People going through extensive chemotherapy pretty much look dead anyway, IMHO. I mean...c'mon...look at this list of side effects. Impotence is the deal breaker for me. I plan on going out full staff.
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Post by floridayankee on May 11, 2011 10:00:32 GMT -5
Wanting people to suffer and not giving a crap if people suffer are two different things. They are apathetic to the plight of anyone except themselves. Oh brother....What a steaming pile of bovine excrement. When you can quite making stupid generalizations like this get back to me and we can have an adult conversation.
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Post by shelby on May 11, 2011 10:21:58 GMT -5
Yes it is a personal decision I would fight till the end only because I am relatively young and have young children who need a mother. If I was say 20 years older grown children I may forgo the brutal and expensive treatments, die with some grace.
I think what evt said has merit since peoples intentions and true feelings towards other people are evident in the policies they support and vote for. Does not take a genius to see what tea-partiers think of those with limited resources, they scream it at the top of their lungs everyday.
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Post by shelby on May 11, 2011 10:26:11 GMT -5
So tired of people displaying a lack of compassion for other and total arrogance and disdain for the poor, then whine when they are called out on it.
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 10:39:56 GMT -5
So tired of people displaying a lack of compassion for other and total arrogance and disdain for the poor, then whine when they are called out on it. Truth hurts. They are the ones trying to scapegoat the poor and working classes for all of the country's problems, the ones voting for policies that hurt them, the ones rejoicing with such fervor every time another dumb law with minimal savings is passed because it takes a shot at them. The adult conversation has left the building.
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Post by floridayankee on May 11, 2011 12:57:12 GMT -5
I think what evt said has merit since peoples intentions and true feelings towards other people are evident in the policies they support and vote for. I don't agree with that. Personally, I would love nothing more than for this country to have the means and the ability to help every single person with every single problem that they are unable to handle. The reality is that we can't....no matter how much we wish for that to be true, it's impossible. I support policy that supports reality not fantasy. And here comes the useless, silly generalizations and misconceptions. You were doing so well there.....
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