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Post by formerexpat on May 7, 2011 19:00:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 19:07:57 GMT -5
But, expat-- what do the unwashed masses know compared to the elite and his holiness Soros?
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 19:26:37 GMT -5
Really? Well, if so, that's would be good since they are major polluters!
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 19:29:21 GMT -5
New study revealing the silent movement to reshape America’s courts launched at the Heritage Foundation today.Heritage Foundation? Get real.
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Post by formerexpat on May 7, 2011 19:34:59 GMT -5
The study was done by The American Justice Partnership. How about reading, Soro sheep.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 19:41:17 GMT -5
Lak is unable to read anything but far left print.
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Post by formerexpat on May 7, 2011 19:41:58 GMT -5
Guess that's why we see so much MoveOn and Huffington information here.
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 20:15:01 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 20:23:11 GMT -5
Koch Industries: The 100-Million Ton Carbon Gorilla Koch Industries, the private company of the billionaire Koch brothers, is one of the primary sources of carbon pollution in the United States. However, the actual emissions profile of the diversified giant, with its oil and gas, chemicals, cattle, forestry, and synthetics holdings, is unknown, because of the lack of mandatory carbon reporting in the United States. Furthermore, Koch is exempt from the risk disclosures that are standard for public corporations. The financial status of Koch Industries is similarly clouded in secret, with only vague statements of annual revenue around $100 billion and the Forbes estimates of the principals’ extraordinary wealth. Charles and David Koch have directed many millions of their shared $43 billion net worth into a vast propaganda machine denying the threat of global warming pollution, corrupting American politics to permit their pollution-based enterprise to continue. wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/01/30/koch-carbon-footprint/
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 20:28:40 GMT -5
Report: Koch Industries Outspends Exxon Mobil On Climate Denial From 2005 to 2008, Exxon Mobil spent $8.9 million while the Koch Industries-controlled foundations contributed $24.9 million in funding to organizations of the climate denial machine. The blockbuster report covers the role of Koch’s dirty network in promoting the ClimateGate smear campaign, pushing junk science about polar bears, fueling supposedly independent Spanish and Danish studies that attacked green jobs, and selling a pack of lies about the costs of climate legislation. wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/03/30/koch-denial-machine/
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 20:33:21 GMT -5
Guess that's why we see so much MoveOn and Huffington information here. Please show me just ONE MoveOn.org article I have posted.
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Post by formerexpat on May 7, 2011 20:36:08 GMT -5
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Post by formerexpat on May 7, 2011 20:39:04 GMT -5
I can't help but laugh at you quoting a Soro funded think tank...not once, but twice:
Soro sheep continue on.
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 20:50:06 GMT -5
How much do you know about Lord Christopher Monckton and Joanne Nova? So just who is this Lord Christopher Monckton? He must be an important scientist or statesman of some sort. Right? Let’s see. According to The Heartland Institute, he’s a global warming expert, yet his degree is in journalism and that’s the extent to his qualifications. And what is the Heartland Institute? They are nonprofit organization whose mission is (they claim) “to discover and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems”. Sounds good, but they’re funded by the Philip Morris, Walmart, and ExxonMobil, to name a few. Sure, they engage in unbiased research. As far as his career in journalism, his most noted position as a writer was for the Evening Standard, a British right-wing tabloid magazine. He ran for a seat in the House of Lords and received no votes! Not one! Nada! Zip! Monckton is the chief policy adviser to the Science and Public Policy Institute. Ooooh, that sounds impressive. The problem with the SPPI is, their only “science” is global warming and the only evidence provided is data cherry-picked to support their anti-global warming stance. Doesn’t sound like real science to me. drudgeretort.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/democrats-refuse-to-allow-global-warming-skeptic-to-testify/
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 21:05:29 GMT -5
Report: The Kochs, A Nazi Past, Oil & The Foundation of The RightNotorious Nazis Ilse Koch, her husband Karl Otto Koch and Erich Koch are the ghosts of Koch Industries, who seized the U.S. conservative political agenda years ago and seem capable of seizing the government in total through the Tea Party. Ilse Koch was the Nazi’s specialist in making objects from human skin; was the only woman charged with war crimes; and along with her husband was in charge of one of the most horrific horror camps in Nazi Germany. Koch Industries is the child of the violence of Buchenwald, widely regarded as one of wartime Germany’s most notorious “death camps”. Information connecting Ilse and Koch Industries is hard to find but is a string of fragments, pieces of information that connects the American and German Kochs and this connection gives us a clear image of the sentiment behind the Tea Party and conservative American politics since the 1950s. Where is the connection between the German Koch’s and Fred Koch? Besides evidence the American Koch was related to Ilse’s family, Erich Koch (a high level Nazi official in charge of Prussia) invites Fred Koch to sell his oil in Nazi Germany when he is banned from doing business in the US. After the fall of Nazi Germany, Erich Koch and Fred expand the oil empire to the Soviet Union. Erich Koch had been in charge of Prussia for Hitler so his ties to the Soviet Union ran deep. A few years later the Soviets took Fred Koch’s oil and prosecuted Erich for war crimes – Fred Koch returned to the US, became anti-communist, and was allowed to do business in the States again. Much More: unknownjournal.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/%E2%96%BC-report-the-kochs-their-nazi-past-american-oil-the-foundation-of-republican-ideology/
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Post by formerexpat on May 7, 2011 21:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 21:29:11 GMT -5
Funny. You obviously didn't read the entire article...
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Post by formerexpat on May 7, 2011 22:16:23 GMT -5
I don't need to read tabloid journalism from one of Soros minions.
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 22:17:06 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on May 7, 2011 23:21:50 GMT -5
I guess the poor and middle class never get cancer treatment? The Koch brothers have done a great deal in the name of cancer research. I'm sure the research and technology that has been developed off the backs of their philanthropy has increased the survival rates for cancer in the US; to the point where 5 year survival rates are the best in the world. See My post above, you will see I am not questioning where people look for their philanthropy, unlike some , just a disagreement there, as long as they do good work, not just political ends, then were they put it for the public good is fine by me and I think most people, and if they did toward as you said Cancer Research, there are so many kinds, enough is never enough till it's conquered and i am sure people of all classes are benefiting as they should.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 7, 2011 23:24:10 GMT -5
Lak is unable to read anything but far left print. If you think so but I am afraid a few here feel the same about Krickett too, only in her case, it's the print of the right. We need some who read middle to the left.
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 23:43:45 GMT -5
NYT Gives Us David Koch, Public BenefactorThe New York Times’ Michael Cooper gives us a fawning tribute to billionaire David Koch, he of the infamous Koch Brothers and fifth most wealthy man in America, using the dedication of a cancer center at M.I.T. funded by Mr. Koch to extol his virtues as a great humanitarian and philanthropist. Oh, please. The Times editors and Mr. Koch, it seems, are worried about what people might think of a man whose industries despoil the earth, poison our air and water and cause massive public health problems that cause untold thousands of deaths every year, while using his great wealth and power to corrupt our politics and fund the most radical, anti-human corporate protectionism in America. How could anyone think ill of him? But Mr. Koch is a human being and he’s suffering from prostate cancer. Hence his dual need to find the cure and have others think well of him.This is the old John D. Rockefeller ploy. Ravage the land, poison the air and water, monopolize the resources, fix the pricing, overcharge the public and loot the public treasury. Then literally buy politicians to make sure you never have to curb your harmful behavior or give back in taxes more than a tiny fraction of what you stole. Once you’ve amassed billions by doing that, you can afford to set up charities and attend ground breaking ceremonies where people applaud you as you tell yourself, “I’m not such a bad man, am I?” Yes, Mr. Koch, you are. More: my.firedoglake.com/scarecrow/2011/03/05/nyt-gives-us-david-koch-public-benefactor/
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Post by lakhota on May 8, 2011 19:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on May 8, 2011 19:59:11 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that , if not caught early, not good. You would think that these folks would be into check ups and all the tests,,early, possible was, but still, but have to ask, surmise.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 10, 2011 1:38:38 GMT -5
Seriously, can anyone name just ONE thing the Koch brothers have done to help the poor and middle class?
Yes, they provide 50,000 jobs in the U.S. What are you doing for the poor and middle class Lak?
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Post by lakhota on May 10, 2011 1:51:22 GMT -5
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 10, 2011 2:39:51 GMT -5
www.thenation.com/article/160062/big-brothers-thought-control-kochI don't work for Koch. But I agree with most points in the newsletter. www.dcmessageboards.com/index.php?showtopic=18700 Your second link is a simple opinion piece. In it they remark that Koch is responsible for blocking clean energy from being implemented nationwide. One of the facts that is often ignored by clean energy people is that most clean energy progress is prevented at a local level because the same greenies that hate oil file suits against solar and wind projects. They say windmills might kill a bird or solar panels aren't pretty. They oppose hydro because it might kill a fish. Greenies are quite stupid. I guess they think we should return to the hunter-gatherer phase of our evolution.
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Post by lakhota on May 10, 2011 2:52:32 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on May 10, 2011 3:40:44 GMT -5
Koch Industries Climate Change Spoof No Grounds For Suit, Judge Finds A U.S. district court in Utah effectively shut down an effort by Koch Industries, the Kansas-based industrial conglomerate whose namesake brothers are vocal skeptics of global warming, to unmask a group of anonymous climate activists who spoofed the company in a mock press release last December. The fake statement, posted to a hoax Web site similar to Koch Industries' own, purported to be an awakening of sorts, in which the company admitted the error of its ways on climate change and committed to cease funding of groups seeking to undermine prevailing climate science. Unamused, Koch sued for a variety of claims, including infringement of trademark, unfair competition and cybersquatting, among others. Koch had also sought to serve subpoenas on the company that hosted the sham website in order to obtain the identities of the activists. The defendants, represented by the advocacy group Public Citizen, sought to have the subpoenas quashed, the activists' identities protected and the lawsuit -- along with all of its claims -- dismissed. On Monday, U.S. District Judge Dale A. Kimball granted all three requests. "We're gratified that the court affirmed our clients' First Amendment right to engage in anonymous political speech and rejected Koch's baseless legal theories," said Deepak Gupta, Public Citizen's lead attorney, in an emailed statement. "This lawsuit was nothing but a well-financed attempt by Koch to bully its political opponents into submission. The court was right to stop this lawsuit in its tracks." In a follow-up phone call, Mr. Gupta said that Koch almost certainly obtained some information on the activists though the subpoenas it served to the hosting company, which complied before Public Citizen became involved in the case. But Koch is now enjoined from disclosing whatever information it had managed to gather. "We are disappointed by the judge's decision and continue to stand by our earlier statements about this case," said Melissa Cohlmia, a spokeswoman for Koch Industries, in an email message. The company, she added, was reviewing its options. www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/09/koch-climate-spoof-no-grounds-for-suit_n_859704.html
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 10, 2011 3:40:39 GMT -5
I skimmed your sourcewatch link. I did not really spot anything new about the Koch brothers. Sure, they got a whole lot of cash and use it to promote issues they agree with. I really have no problem with that. It states that they are one of the top ten polluters in the US, but they are a manufacturer of pollution control equipment. That is interesting. They are a huge industry with their fingers in many pies, but so what? Don't we want more of that here? Jobs that pay a living wage? National wealth creation? We ain't gonna get that with retail and fast food jobs. We only need so many bankers and insurance salesmen. If this country is going to remain a power in the world we need to dig into the earth, extract some resource with value, and turn that resource into something more valuable. A crane or a pipe, or a road. And we need to do it in a competitive world. If regulations are driving manufacturing out of this country, we need to decide if that is something we can afford. Of course, I want my water and air fit to consume, but I don't want to have to buy a horse and carriage because cars pollute. And if my child wants to open a corner lemonade stand, I don't want some idiot clerk from the city showing up and asking if she has a permit.
In my college economics course they dedicated hours of time to the concept of trade-offs. Something you give for something you get. I think that many people would benefit from a class like that. I believe that to many people today think that you can get something for nothing. In general, I lean toward the Koch's way of thinking. Should they have things all their way? No. But I do not believe we can continue the way we are headed and remain a world power.
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