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Post by 2kids10horses on May 17, 2011 9:23:14 GMT -5
I support Herman Cain. If Cain were the Republican nominee, it would take race off the table as an issue. Then, those that voted for Obama before simply because of his skin color would have to choose between two people who both have dark skin, but have different ideas on the role of government.
I would LOVE to hear a one on one debate, Cain vs Obama. Cain virtually destroyed Clinton in one of Clinton's town hall meetings about the effects of HillaryCare on small business.
If the goal is to un-elect Obama, then Cain is the best candidate.
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Post by billisonboard on May 17, 2011 9:36:20 GMT -5
... If the goal is to un-elect Obama, ... How about if the goal is to elect someone to lead the nation for four years?
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Post by billisonboard on May 17, 2011 9:47:58 GMT -5
... those that voted for Obama before simply because of his skin color would have to choose between two people who both have dark skin, but have different ideas on the role of government. ... Looking at the black vote, there was about an 8% increase between what Democratic nominee received in 2008 and Democratic nominee received in 2004. That corresponds reasonable to the difference in the votes the Democratic nominee received from the total population in 2008 compared to 2004. Therefore you are actually talking about maybe a couple percentage points of the black vote which may have been based on the race of the candidate.
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Post by billisonboard on May 17, 2011 9:53:47 GMT -5
btw, thinks for stopping by on the P&M board.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 9:57:44 GMT -5
I like Cain, too. Listening to him on the radio for years is what did it. Yes, it would be fun to watch him go against Obama. Confuse the heck out of the "race" voters. Funny this "racist white redneck AZ conservative's" top fav politicians right now are Cain, West, and Rubio....
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 17, 2011 10:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by 2kids10horses on May 17, 2011 11:00:38 GMT -5
I don't have any scientific numbers to back me up, but I think I lot of blacks voted for Obama simply because of his skin color. I don't blame them. If I were black, I probably would have, too.
I also think there were a lot of whites who voted for Obama because of his skin color. I think there were a lot of whites who thought, "It's about time we had a black President".
So, I believe his skin color was more of an issue in the last election than it should have been. (And I believe anyone's skin color should have no bearing on anything.)
That said, I believe that if Republicans nominate a white candidate, it will dissolve down to a white vs black election again.
I would rather the election be about ideas, leadership, and direction of the country. Not skin color.
Now, it just so happens Herman Cain is black. I really like his politics. I'm for the Fair Tax, his goal of lessening the role of government in our lives, and I like the way he "tells it like it is" in simple language everyone can understand.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on May 17, 2011 11:01:46 GMT -5
... those that voted for Obama before simply because of his skin color would have to choose between two people who both have dark skin, but have different ideas on the role of government. ... Looking at the black vote, there was about an 8% increase between what Democratic nominee received in 2008 and Democratic nominee received in 2004. That corresponds reasonable to the difference in the votes the Democratic nominee received from the total population in 2008 compared to 2004. Therefore you are actually talking about maybe a couple percentage points of the black vote which may have been based on the race of the candidate. Yes, it is no big surprise that the Democratic candidate (who this time happened to be black) got the black vote. But maybe if Cain where the Republican candidate some of the black voters would at least take a second look at him.
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Post by mmhmm on May 17, 2011 11:02:21 GMT -5
... If the goal is to un-elect Obama, ... How about if the goal is to elect someone to lead the nation for four years? Oh, dear! Is that the point?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 11:06:48 GMT -5
But Cain is good!! Dems make a mistake thinking we just want to throw out a black on black run. He's a good guy, smart businessman, and a viable candidate. Plus, he is not a retread. Many of us want a fresh candidate. He's been out for awhile now, and I have yet to see Dems come up with any disqualifying dirt on him. He's a clean candidate.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on May 17, 2011 11:16:23 GMT -5
But Cain is good!! Dems make a mistake thinking we just want to throw out a black on black run. He's a good guy, smart businessman, and a viable candidate. Plus, he is not a retread. Many of us want a fresh candidate. He's been out for awhile now, and I have yet to see Dems come up with any disqualifying dirt on him. He's a clean candidate. There has been a perception long before Obama that the GOP is racist, so Cain could help offset that a little.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 11:23:05 GMT -5
Yes, he could. But I would vote for Cain because I like him, not because he is black. Hil kinda tugged at me because she was female, but I got over it. I also have to battle a thing I have for really attractive people, LOL!! Voting race, gender, one issue, to me... is just stupid and destructive.
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Post by 2kids10horses on May 17, 2011 11:45:30 GMT -5
I was first aware of Cain years ago when he was a standin for Neal Boortz on his show when Neal took vacation.
Next, I heard him speak on behalf of the FairTax at a GAREIA meeting (GA Real Estate Investor's Association). He was impressive. That speech was about 10 years ago.
Then, he got his own radio show, and really became more vocal about individual responsibility, bloated government spending, etc.
He really has his act together.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 12:29:46 GMT -5
I met Cain as a stand in for Boortz, also. He's a sharp guy. New to political office, but he knows EXACTLY what is going on, what the issues are.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 17, 2011 12:30:54 GMT -5
I don't have any scientific numbers to back me up, but I think I lot of blacks voted for Obama simply because of his skin color. I don't blame them. If I were black, I probably would have, too. You do realize the majority of registered blacks voters have historically voted for every democratic presidential candidate (regardless of the candidate's skin color) since Presidents Kennedy and Johnson introduced and passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Nation-wide sample exit polling on the night of the 1968 elections gave Hubert Humphrey 94% of the black vote. In exit polling in the south, Hubert Humphrey received 95% of the black vote. Source: Congressional Quarterly Weekly Report. “Group Analysis of the 1968 Presidential Vote” XXVI, No. 48 (November 1968), p. 3218.On the night of the 2008 presidential election, exit polls indicated 95% of the black vote went to Obama. elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/exit-polls.htmlThat there may have been some newly registered black voters who voted for Obama because he was black-I don't doubt that. That some white voters may have voted for Obama because he was black-I would like more data to decide on that as the majority of those white voters would probably have been registered democrats and voted for the democratic candidate anyway. While I don’t think much should be read into it, John McCain won 55% of the white vote and Obama received the majority of the black, Hispanic and Asian votes. That some white voters (regardless of party) voted for McCain because they did not care for the skin color of candidate Obama, I would not doubt that too.
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Post by billisonboard on May 17, 2011 13:02:05 GMT -5
I don't have any scientific numbers to back me up, but I think ... I also think .. So, I believe ... I do have the scientific numbers to back me up as I previously posted. When what one "think(s)" to be true runs counter to the scientific numbers, anything one might "believe" based on that thinking tends to be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 13:05:31 GMT -5
If Bill and Tenn are trying to insinuate that Obama did not do the ACORN magic to get the black vote... well, that is just hilarious!
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Post by billisonboard on May 17, 2011 13:08:48 GMT -5
If Bill and Tenn are trying to insinuate that Obama did not do the ACORN magic to get the black vote... well, that is just hilarious! I am not insinuating. I am stating that the numbers indicate that African-American voters voting for Obama because of his race was not a significant factor in the 2008 election.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 17, 2011 13:09:21 GMT -5
Did Hubert Humphrey do the Magic Acorn vote too (even though the organization didn't exist then?
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Post by billisonboard on May 17, 2011 13:19:55 GMT -5
The Story of Chicken Little Narrator: Chicken Little was in the woods one day when an acorn fell on her head. It scared her so much she trembled all over. She shook so hard, half her feathers fell out. Chicken Little: "Help! Help! The sky is falling! I have to go tell the king!" Narrator: So she ran in great fright to tell the king. Along the way she met Henny Penny. Henny Penny: "Where are you going, Chicken Little?" Chicken Little: "Oh, help! The sky is falling!" Henny Penny: "How do you know?" Chicken Little: "I saw it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears, and part of it fell on my head!" ... Narrator: So Foxy Loxy led Chicken Little, Henny Penny, Ducky Lucky, Goosey Loosey, and Turkey Lurkey across a field and through the woods. He led them straight to his den, and they never saw the king to tell him that the sky is falling. eleaston.com/chicken.html
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 13:28:12 GMT -5
71% of first time voters voted Obama in 2008. Regardless of race, seems the ACORN machine did its job well, if not totally legal. Here's hoping Pubs have an equally unscrupulous counter attack this time around. The stage is set. No more playing nice. And no more McCains.
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Post by 2kids10horses on May 17, 2011 14:09:27 GMT -5
Ok, then, let's change the discussion some... Has anyone run a poll of African Americans voters asking them to choose between Cain and Obama?
Maybe it's too soon. I suspect that while all have heard of Obama, few have heard of Cain. Yet.
I just hope the media starts to give Cain equal time as all the other candidates. If they would, people would get to see he's not a gimmick. Does he have some weaknesses? Sure. Leadership skills is not one of them. He's been a success everywhere he's been.
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Post by cme1201 on May 17, 2011 14:21:51 GMT -5
Ok, then, let's change the discussion some... Has anyone run a poll of African Americans voters asking them to choose between Cain and Obama? Maybe it's too soon. I suspect that while all have heard of Obama, few have heard of Cain. Yet. I just hope the media starts to give Cain equal time as all the other candidates. If they would, people would get to see he's not a gimmick. Does he have some weaknesses? Sure. Leadership skills is not one of them. He's been a success everywhere he's been. Oh Cain will get media time, for all the wrong reasons. When he speaks what he feels with out someone writing his speaches the media will latch on to what ever slips he makes
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Post by billisonboard on May 17, 2011 14:29:28 GMT -5
Ok, then, let's change the discussion some... Has anyone run a poll of African Americans voters asking them to choose between Cain and Obama? Maybe it's too soon. I suspect that while all have heard of Obama, few have heard of Cain. Yet. I just hope the media starts to give Cain equal time as all the other candidates. If they would, people would get to see he's not a gimmick. Does he have some weaknesses? Sure. Leadership skills is not one of them. He's been a success everywhere he's been. Oh Cain will get media time, for all the wrong reasons. When he speaks what he feels with out someone writing his speaches the media will latch on to what ever slips he makesIf he speaks what he feels and the media reports what it is he feels, how is that latching onto "slips"? Unless you mean he lets "slip" out what he actually feels instead of what his speech writer holds to be an appropriate political utterance.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 14:35:06 GMT -5
I'm sure the liberal media will find some way to convince black people that Cain is not a REAL black person, although he is 100% black, just because he is not a Democrat. He started so early, though. I hope his money holds out.. Real good news that no one has come up with any scandals. You know they are looking..
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Post by cme1201 on May 17, 2011 14:44:45 GMT -5
Well lets see what HuffPo has to say regarding a recent speach of Mr. Cain HuffPo's Lead-in: Herman Cain CPAC Speech: 'Stupid People Are Ruining America' (VIDEO) www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/12/herman-cain-cpac-speech-s_n_822405.htmlHerman Cain, who has already formed a presidential exploratory committee for the next election cycle, alleged "stupid people are ruining America" on Friday at this year's Conservative Political Action Conference. "It's sad," he said in a speech at the annual event before going on to take aim at the left side of the political spectrum. "The objective of the liberals is to destroy this country. The objective of the liberals is to make America mediocre." Now, are stupid people ruining America? We need warnings on coffee cup's that tell you the contents are hot, we need tags on hair dryer's saying not to use in the bath tub, we have labels on bottles of poison that say do not drink poison inside, these are just examples but, yeah stupid people are ruining america.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 14:47:14 GMT -5
Is that the best they can come up with?? LOL!! Keep diggin', Huffpo. ;D
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Post by 2kids10horses on May 17, 2011 15:05:34 GMT -5
Agreed! LOL!!!
Cain doesn't need a speechwriter!
I think you are confusing your black candidates! LOL!!! OBAMA is the one who needs a teleprompter!
Herman Cain was on the radio for several years hosting a talk show. I think he can think on his feet!
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Post by Tennesseer on May 17, 2011 16:18:02 GMT -5
Agreed! LOL!!! Cain doesn't need a speechwriter! I think you are confusing your black candidates! LOL!!! OBAMA is the one who needs a teleprompter! Herman Cain was on the radio for several years hosting a talk show. I think he can think on his feet! You do realize few radio talk shows are actually televised-if his radio show was not televised, how do you know he wasn't reading scripted material someone else wrote for him? You simply don't know.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 16:22:54 GMT -5
Hey, I have gotten through on the phone lines on conservative talk radio shows. All they ask me is topic, have no idea who I am or what I will bring up. Those guys (and gals) are quick on their feet. Totally know their stuff, and do not hesitate. They HAVE to be.
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