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Post by floridayankee on May 4, 2011 8:09:04 GMT -5
In case you haven't noticed, there are a number of conservatives on this board alone doing everything they can to unlink Obama with OBL's death. I haven't noticed. Care to point them out?
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Post by floridayankee on May 4, 2011 8:11:23 GMT -5
Therefore, how could any SANE person even remotely give Bush ANY credit for killing Osama bin Laden? The left has been blaming everything wrong on Bush, why shouldn't this get "blamed on Bush" too? I'm just saying.....
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Post by floridayankee on May 4, 2011 8:14:28 GMT -5
In the case of Amanpour, I wouldn't be surprised if she knew and didn't tell anyone... OMG, ed, you just made some sense. Holy....never thought I'd live long enough to witness Ed and Lak agreeing on anything. Maybe there is hope for this country after all!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 4, 2011 8:46:07 GMT -5
I am just happy to see that my liberal friends seem to be having a moment of mental clarity on the subject of United States Military Spec Op teams flying in multimillion dollar aircraft unannounced into a foreign country to assassinate someone in a lone-wolf, unilateral military operation. You could say that for the first time in my life, I'm proud of you...
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Post by safeharbor37 on May 4, 2011 9:23:58 GMT -5
I think that Obama's offer was appropriate and gracious. To conclude that he was "playing politics" would require mind reading skills although when dealing with politicians, it's probably wise to be skeptical. In any case, it was the right thing to do, to acknowledge Bush's role as his predecessor, and it is conceivable that he did it because he thought it was the right thing to do. I'll give him benefit of the doubt. I also think that Bush's refusal was wise and appropriate, to not take away from Obama's moment. I suspect that there is less animosity between Obama and Bush, if any, than among their respective supporters. Re: the role of "water-boarding" in the intelligence that led to the apprehension of bin Laden, I think that CIA Director Pineta is right when he says that there were many leads and it's difficult to assign relative importance to them [since some are duplicate so may not have been critical]. Water-boarding apparently yielded some information which may or may not have essential, but did indeed produce information which might have been essential.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 9:59:13 GMT -5
I am just happy to see that my liberal friends seem to be having a moment of mental clarity on the subject of United States Military Spec Op teams flying in multimillion dollar aircraft unannounced into a foreign country to assassinate someone in a lone-wolf, unilateral military operation. You could say that for the first time in my life, I'm proud of you... I am all for targeted special ops teams taking out a direct target... who isn't? Isn't it a much more effective/less expensive method than trying to occupy a country (particularly a country which had nothing to do with the original attack?).. As far as unilateral... this one WAS ours... he attacked us... we have a right to unilaterally go get him specifically... I find it interesting that you don't seem to be able to identify/consider details... you seem to generalize everything... and appear unable to weigh and consider the indivdiual merits of any action/postion/idea...
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Post by ed1066 on May 4, 2011 10:14:01 GMT -5
NY TIMES: HARSH INTERROGATION PLAYED 'SMALL ROLE AT MOST' WASHINGTON — Did brutal interrogations produce the crucial intelligence that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden? As intelligence officials disclosed the trail of evidence that led to the compound in Pakistan where Bin Laden was hiding, a chorus of Bush administration officials claimed vindication for their policy of “enhanced interrogation techniques” like waterboarding. Among them was John Yoo, a former Justice Department official who wrote secret legal memorandums justifying brutal interrogations. “President Obama can take credit, rightfully, for the success today,” Mr. Yoo wrote Monday in National Review, “but he owes it to the tough decisions taken by the Bush administration.” But a closer look at prisoner interrogations suggests that the harsh techniques played a small role at most in identifying Bin Laden’s trusted courier and exposing his hide-out. One detainee who apparently was subjected to some tough treatment provided a crucial description of the courier, according to current and former officials briefed on the interrogations. But two prisoners who underwent some of the harshest treatment — including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times — repeatedly misled their interrogators about the courier’s identity. More: www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html OK, so first it was "no role", now it was "a small role". Maybe in a week or two, the New York Times will be willing to tell the truth on this issue. Then again, maybe not... The fact is that this mission was made possible through the exact policies and techniques that Obama said he opposed and promised to do away with. Thankfully, in this case, Obama's propensity to lie about everything actually benefitted America for a change...
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 10:25:50 GMT -5
I am just happy to see that my liberal friends seem to be having a moment of mental clarity on the subject of United States Military Spec Op teams flying in multimillion dollar aircraft unannounced into a foreign country to assassinate someone in a lone-wolf, unilateral military operation. You could say that for the first time in my life, I'm proud of you... " You could say that for the first time in my life, I'm proud of you..." First time ? Your neighbors, associates at work, friends , possible some family members,{Distant of course but still related} just fellow Americans ? I do feel sorry for you and there is really nothing more to say...
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Post by floridayankee on May 4, 2011 10:31:22 GMT -5
President Obama invited President Bush to join him at New York's Ground Zero on Thursday. Bush declined. Former POTUS Bill Clinton isn't likely to attend either. Big deal. Nothing to see here.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 10:35:37 GMT -5
I think that Obama's offer was appropriate and gracious. To conclude that he was "playing politics" would require mind reading skills although when dealing with politicians, it's probably wise to be skeptical. In any case, it was the right thing to do, to acknowledge Bush's role as his predecessor, and it is conceivable that he did it because he thought it was the right thing to do. I'll give him benefit of the doubt. I also think that Bush's refusal was wise and appropriate, to not take away from Obama's moment. I suspect that there is less animosity between Obama and Bush, if any, than among their respective supporters. Re: the role of "water-boarding" in the intelligence that led to the apprehension of bin Laden, I think that CIA Director Pineta is right when he says that there were many leads and it's difficult to assign relative importance to them [since some are duplicate so may not have been critical]. Water-boarding apparently yielded some information which may or may not have essential, but did indeed produce information which might have been essential. Agree with all of the above, and in regard to: "I suspect that there is less animosity between Obama and Bush, if any, than among their respective supporters." I definitely agree and as time goes on , it hasn't been three years yet, I believe it will be even more so. While there have been serious animosity's in the past between former POTUS, to the grave possible, the fact is, it's a select company that has sat in that chair, and while the problems facing all might on occasion been different, the responsibilities facing all of them, the fact that they were the ones responsible for the final decisions on them, puts them in a unique situation of knowing what the other guy/gal [someday], really is facing and from that it seems bonds are formed that others who have not been there will never be able to experience, no matter how close to the chair they were.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 4, 2011 12:12:49 GMT -5
I am just happy to see that my liberal friends seem to be having a moment of mental clarity on the subject of United States Military Spec Op teams flying in multimillion dollar aircraft unannounced into a foreign country to assassinate someone in a lone-wolf, unilateral military operation. You could say that for the first time in my life, I'm proud of you... I am all for targeted special ops teams taking out a direct target... who isn't? Isn't it a much more effective/less expensive method than trying to occupy a country (particularly a country which had nothing to do with the original attack?).. As far as unilateral... this one WAS ours... he attacked us... we have a right to unilaterally go get him specifically... I find it interesting that you don't seem to be able to identify/consider details... you seem to generalize everything... and appear unable to weigh and consider the indivdiual merits of any action/postion/idea... And once again, we have a liberal completely unable to grasp the subtle nuances of brilliant humor...
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Post by lakhota on May 4, 2011 14:39:19 GMT -5
Osama Bin Laden Pictures Will Not Be Released, Obama Decides WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama will not release photos of Osama bin Laden’s dead body as proof that he was killed, CBS News reported Wednesday. Obama announced his decision on the matter during an interview with “60 Minutes” set to air Sunday. www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/osama-bin-laden-pictures_n_857568.htmlI strongly disagree! Taxpayers deserve to see his dead pictures!
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Post by ed1066 on May 4, 2011 14:48:10 GMT -5
Osama Bin Laden Pictures Will Not Be Released, Obama Decides WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama will not release photos of Osama bin Laden’s dead body as proof that he was killed, CBS News reported Wednesday. Obama announced his decision on the matter during an interview with “60 Minutes” set to air Sunday. www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/osama-bin-laden-pictures_n_857568.htmlI strongly disagree! Taxpayers deserve to see his dead pictures! Where's Bradley Manning when we need him?
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Post by lakhota on May 4, 2011 14:57:28 GMT -5
I agree!
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 15:30:20 GMT -5
Osama Bin Laden Pictures Will Not Be Released, Obama Decides WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama will not release photos of Osama bin Laden’s dead body as proof that he was killed, CBS News reported Wednesday. Obama announced his decision on the matter during an interview with “60 Minutes” set to air Sunday. www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/osama-bin-laden-pictures_n_857568.htmlI strongly disagree! Taxpayers deserve to see his dead pictures! Executive decision, other factors besides thrill , excitement, of viewing, were considered, his call, I can live with it. Seen one , all the same.
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Post by Value Buy on May 4, 2011 18:40:49 GMT -5
Osama Bin Laden Pictures Will Not Be Released, Obama Decides WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama will not release photos of Osama bin Laden’s dead body as proof that he was killed, CBS News reported Wednesday. Obama announced his decision on the matter during an interview with “60 Minutes” set to air Sunday. www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/osama-bin-laden-pictures_n_857568.htmlI strongly disagree! Taxpayers deserve to see his dead pictures! OH NO!!! Lakhota is against something the President does not want to do. On top of that, I agree with the President on his decision. What has happened to this country in the last 60 hours or so?
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Post by Value Buy on May 4, 2011 18:45:20 GMT -5
It was just Obama playing politics. He probably figured that Bush would decline, so he took the risk for political points. It worked for you. I believe if he didn't want him there he wouldn't have invited him, and it's Bushs decision to go or not, I think as one above said it would have been good for the country an I agreed and added , it would have been good for Bush too, he deserved to be there, fior the reasons I gave. You want to get into the back and forth of the politicicals , so be it...not for me, just disappointed he won't be there, it would be a good thing. Former President Bush has been a good ex-President. He has really stayed away from any statements that would be against President Obama's decisions, or political dealings. Bush has already announced he will attend the tenth anniversay of 9-11 at Ground zero, so I think it is ok for him to leave President Obama to take the lead position at NYC and garner all the brownie points.
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Post by Value Buy on May 4, 2011 18:51:46 GMT -5
Speaking of conspiracy theories and photos or no photos..... No one ever commented about the original date of the attack was postponed by a day due "to weather conditions". The original operation time would have put the announcement of the assassination right before the start of SNL. I IMAGINE THAT MIGHT HAVE JAMMED UP THE SHOW SOMEWHAT, DON'TCHA THINK? That also would have left all the early morning Sunday political shows going full stream, giving the President bigtime political points with America. Now what would have happened if he and the wife HAD BEEN invited to Britain for the wedding? Would the operation had gone on as scheduled, or postponed? Ok, Ok, the last one is tacky. It would have gone on as scheduled and would show he definitly could muti-task.
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Post by lakhota on May 4, 2011 21:35:18 GMT -5
Why do Republicans keep saying torture is justified and led us to Osama bin Laden?
All the credible reports I have seen point to the fact that torture does not provide reliable results.
Donald Rumsfeld touts the supposed weath of information learned from Bush-era torture. Colin Powell has this to say about Rumsfeld's memoir: "His new memoir is somewhere between deceptive and delusional"
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Post by lakhota on May 4, 2011 22:01:17 GMT -5
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Post by ed1066 on May 4, 2011 22:56:30 GMT -5
Why, so the ACLU could get him a lawyer and Eric Holder could get him a nice comfy hotel room while he waits 20 years for his trial?
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Post by straydog on May 4, 2011 23:10:43 GMT -5
Christiane Amanpour Made Eerie Allusion To Osama Bin Laden's Whereabouts On 'Real Time With Bill Maher' October 3, 2008Below is the relevant transcript section from that particular episode, which also featured actors Garry Shandling and Alec Baldwin. Some of the text has been bolded for emphasis. EXCERPTS:AMANPOUR: [overlapping] He’s not. I just talked to somebody very knowledgeable— SHANDLING: [overlapping] Wait, she knows where Osama bin Laden is? AMANPOUR: [overlapping] Well, she doesn’t think –- this woman, who is in America -- SHANDLING: [overlapping] Tell me. AMANPOUR: [overlapping] -- thinks that he’s in a villa, a nice comfortable villa -- AMANPOUR: [overlapping] -- in Pakistan. Not a cave. That’s all -- AMANPOUR: It’s not a cave. [she laughs] Much More: www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/03/christiane-amanpour-osama-bin-laden-bill-maher_n_857026.html Christine Ananpour is married to James Rubin, who was the Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs in the Clinton administration. She is the ultimate insider. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rubin
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 4, 2011 23:23:37 GMT -5
Christine Ananpour is married to James Rubin, who was the Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs in the Clinton administration.
Another convenient liberal. Never liked the woman. She and her "source" probably didn't know shit. You think that kind of information would leak out to someone like her? What a joke.
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Post by lakhota on May 5, 2011 0:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on May 5, 2011 0:59:07 GMT -5
straydog, I totally agree!
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Post by straydog on May 5, 2011 1:04:36 GMT -5
Christine Ananpour is married to James Rubin, who was the Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs in the Clinton administration.Another convenient liberal. Never liked the woman. She and her "source" probably didn't know shit. You think that kind of information would leak out to someone like her? What a joke. I think there's something to this. After all, that's where he was. Her husband was a white house insider. She made the statement when Bush was in office, probably to both show everybody of how 'connected' she is and also to make Bush look lax in his promise to kill or capture OBL. And you and I may know that she is a joke, but to the over-educated stupids that hold alot of important political positions in this country, well they probably think that she is the cat's meow.
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Post by lakhota on May 5, 2011 1:16:07 GMT -5
Actually, I think she's a savvy lady. I used to follow her rather closely. I'm aware of her marriage to Rubin, and I have no doubt that she's well-connected in the Muslim world and elsewhere. Also, the atmosphere on Bill Mayer may have been conducive to her letting down her guard a little. Hell, she may have been the source she was talking about. Amanpour was born in Tehran, Iran, according to some sources and in London, England, according to others. The following links give some basic information on her. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiane_Amanpourusliberals.about.com/od/thepressandjournalist1/p/Amanpour.htmNOTE: I realize you may have been responding to burns, but I gave you my take on it.
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Post by straydog on May 5, 2011 2:04:15 GMT -5
Actually, I think she's a savvy lady. I used to follow her rather closely. I'm aware of her marriage to Rubin, and I have no doubt that she's well-connected in the Muslim world and elsewhere. Also, the atmosphere on Bill Mayer may have been conducive to her letting down her guard a little. Hell, she may have been the source she was talking about. Amanpour was born in Tehran, Iran, according to some sources and in London, England, according to others. The following links give some basic information on her. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiane_Amanpourusliberals.about.com/od/thepressandjournalist1/p/Amanpour.htmNOTE: I realize you may have been responding to burns, but I gave you my take on it. When I said that she was a joke, I was actually referring to her blatant liberal and anti-religious bias - she doesn't even try to hide it, like a good journalist should. Your right, I'm sure that she is a savvy operator, but I'm not sure of what her religious beliefs are. The articles you posted said that she attended two Roman Catholic schools as a youth - but did not say if she was a believer. I personally think that she is a secular humanist. I was responding to Burns, but this is an open forum and I like to hear the views of others - even if I disagree with them. One question: What did you mean when you said that she was her own source? Are you inferring that she is an Al-Quada affiliate or associate?
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Post by lakhota on May 5, 2011 2:20:34 GMT -5
I glibly said she MAY have been her own source, meaning she may have pieced together composite sources where she thought Osama was. Who knows?
I've never heard her advertise her religious beliefs - if any. She may be a combination of Christian, Muslim and Jewish. What a mix...
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Post by straydog on May 5, 2011 2:32:08 GMT -5
I glibly said she MAY have been her own source, meaning she may have pieced together composite sources where she thought Osama was. Who knows? I've never heard her advertise her religious beliefs - if any. She may be a combination of Christian, Muslim and Jewish. What a mix... That's cool, I understand what you meant now.
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