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Post by tyfighter3 on May 15, 2011 14:31:38 GMT -5
For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock)[7]: 1.The person's parents were married at the time of birth 2.One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born 3.The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth; 4.A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday. For persons born out-of-wedlock (mother) if all the following apply: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States1.the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and 2.the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth.[8] (See link for those born to a U.S. father out-of-wedlock)[7
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 14:48:25 GMT -5
4.A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday. Stanley Ann Dunham- born 11/42. 14 YO on 11/56. Obama born 8/61. So.. this issue has come up.. Ann had not actually been a citizen over 14 for 5 years at the time of his birth. Don't know what the explanation is for why that does not matter.
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Post by billisonboard on May 15, 2011 15:18:06 GMT -5
4.A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday. Stanley Ann Dunham- born 11/42. 14 YO on 11/56. Obama born 8/61. So.. this issue has come up.. Ann had not actually been a citizen over 14 for 5 years at the time of his birth. Don't know what the explanation is for why that does not matter. It is actually very very very simple. Here is what was left out of the linked material: The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. Lies of omission are just as much a lie as one of admission.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 15:36:56 GMT -5
Where was Obama born?? Where is the new copy of the long form showing the seal of the state? Has that surfaced yet, or are we just going to blow that off?
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Post by billisonboard on May 15, 2011 15:59:30 GMT -5
Where was Obama born?? Where is the new copy of the long form showing the seal of the state? Has that surfaced yet, or are we just going to blow that off? la de da de de, la de da de da
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 16:02:03 GMT -5
Hey, even my new, revised to short form (where they changed my mother's name) BC has the state seal of TX on it.
(Reminds self-- jump TX butt for changing my mother's name on new, improved, short form BC..)
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Post by billisonboard on May 15, 2011 16:08:59 GMT -5
Hey, even my new, revised to short form (where they changed my mother's name) BC has the state seal of TX on it. ... la de da de de, la de da de da
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 16:27:56 GMT -5
Fingers in ears??
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Post by billisonboard on May 15, 2011 16:41:30 GMT -5
Listening to the beat going on. la de da de de, la de da de da
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Post by EveryWhichWay on May 15, 2011 16:58:53 GMT -5
seriously I can't believe people are still questioning this subject
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Post by billisonboard on May 15, 2011 17:01:49 GMT -5
seriously I can't believe people are still questioning this subject I spotted the problem. Your profile indicates your location is "Earth". You are no where close to where these people are.
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Post by billisonboard on May 15, 2011 17:05:19 GMT -5
seriously I can't believe people are still questioning this subject btw, welcome back, it has been a long time since you have been here. Did your sanity meds run out?
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Post by ty on May 15, 2011 17:07:19 GMT -5
and the Beat Goes On...
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Post by henryclay on May 15, 2011 18:59:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Kreepy. It reminds me of another hero I learned about when I was in school. Maybe you've heard of him. Here's part of a poem somebody wrote. There was ease in Casey's manner as he stepped into his place; There was pride in Casey's bearing and a smile lit Casey's face. And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat, No stranger in the crowd could doubt 'twas Casey at the bat.
Ten thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt. Five thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt. Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip, Defiance flashed in Casey's eye, a sneer curled Casey's lip.
And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air, And Casey stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there. Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped — "That ain't my style," said Casey. "Strike one!" the umpire said.
From the benches, black with people, there went up a muffled roar, Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore; "Kill him! Kill the umpire!" shouted some one on the stand; And it's likely they'd have killed him had not Casey raised his hand.
With a smile of Christian charity great Casey's visage shone; He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on; He signaled to the pitcher, and once more the dun sphere flew; But Casey still ignored it, and the umpire said "Strike two!"
"Fraud!" cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered "Fraud!" But one scornful look from Casey and the audience was awed. They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain, And they knew that Casey wouldn't let that ball go by again.
The sneer has fled from Casey's lip, the teeth are clenched in hate; He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate. And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go, And now the air is shattered by the force of Casey's blow. The end of the story about your hero hasn't been written yet, so in timing with that story, I'll wait to post the end of the poem and see how it measures up. Something tells me when the game is over, when the fans are gone and the stands are quiet, it'll be a tie.
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Post by billisonboard on May 15, 2011 19:09:00 GMT -5
... The end of the story about your hero hasn't been written yet, so in timing with that story, I'll wait to post the end of the poem and see how it measures up. Something tells me when the game is over, when the fans are gone and the stands are quiet, it'll be a tie. SPOILER ALERT: Do not read the following if you don't want to know how it ends: Oh, 'bout everywhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright, The band is playing every where, and every where hearts are light, And every where men are laughing, and little children shout; But there is no joy in Mudslingingville — mighty Orly has struck out.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 19:09:03 GMT -5
Genius, Henry. Karma in 10.
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Post by henryclay on May 16, 2011 10:24:52 GMT -5
It's one thing for us to cuss and discuss the Obama "birth certificate" and whether it is a forgery. It is quite a different thing when someone who has years of experience in the field of document forensics and is willing to swear to a judge that it is a forgery. That has happened and is happening as we throw our darts at each other. See the court filing link below the affidavit of testimony offered by the document forensics person. (also see the affidavit on page 13 of link to the court filing.) www.scribd.com/doc/55525194/BARNETT-KEYES-v-OBAMA-48-citation-of-supplemental-authorities-TransportRoom-48-0
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Post by henryclay on May 16, 2011 10:47:36 GMT -5
And there is more: A second affidavit from the state of Florida by a different analyst states:
I observed that the birth certificate pdf file could be opened with Adobe Illustrator and the software revealed that this document has many layers of images on it. This indicates that the document was not a true copy of the original birth certificate, but a recently created document using Adobe Illustrator.
On January 20, 2011, a former Hawaii Elections Office supervisor, Tim Adams, signed an affidavit stating that his supervisors had declared that it was “common knowledge,” at least within the Elections Office, that when Obama ran for president there was no original birth record on file at the Hawaii Department of Health or anywhere in the state. Although Dr. Chiyome Fukino and former Governor Linda Lingle had insisted that original birth records were kept on file with the Health Department, the department’s own Communications Director, Janice Okubo, had refused to corroborate their statements. On July 27, 2009, Fukino had gone so far as to declare Obama “a natural-born American citizen,” although no one at the former attorney general’s office would corroborate that statement. www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/12/affidavit-filed-with-louisiana-court-declares-obama-birth-certificate-a-forgery/
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Post by Opti on May 16, 2011 11:13:42 GMT -5
... The end of the story about your hero hasn't been written yet, so in timing with that story, I'll wait to post the end of the poem and see how it measures up. Something tells me when the game is over, when the fans are gone and the stands are quiet, it'll be a tie. SPOILER ALERT: Do not read the following if you don't want to know how it ends: Oh, 'bout everywhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright, The band is playing every where, and every where hearts are light, And every where men are laughing, and little children shout; But there is no joy in Mudslingingville — mighty Orly has struck out.
Fixed. It must take some special thought processes to see claim after claim disproved but continue to believe the next "fact" has merit. It is an interesting look at conspiracy theory and human behavior.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 16, 2011 11:15:36 GMT -5
Oh dear oh dear can't we all just get along now, nothing to see here. . . .
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 12:31:20 GMT -5
Yeah, let's just move on(.org). This does not matter, not at all. He must be a .. why.. a conspiracy theorist, of course..
"On January 20, 2011, a former Hawaii Elections Office supervisor, Tim Adams, signed an affidavit stating that his supervisors had declared that it was “common knowledge,” at least within the Elections Office, that when Obama ran for president there was no original birth record on file at the Hawaii Department of Health or anywhere in the state. Although Dr. Chiyome Fukino and former Governor Linda Lingle had insisted that original birth records were kept on file with the Health Department, the department’s own Communications Director, Janice Okubo, had refused to corroborate their statements. On July 27, 2009, Fukino had gone so far as to declare Obama “a natural-born American citizen,” although no one at the former attorney general’s office would corroborate that statement."
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Post by henryclay on May 16, 2011 18:51:24 GMT -5
One of the charges used by the experts to show Obama's "certified true copy" of his birth certificate was a forgery was that the document number had been manipulated. Why do that when the holder of that birth certificate number might show up any day and dispute the validity of another certificate with the same number? That's easy. Find a dead person and use their number.
Voila!!!
Virginia Sunahara Born August 4, 1961 Wahiana Hospital, Honolulu. Died August 5, 1961 at Kapiolani Hospital, Honolulu, and whose birth certificate apparently has the same number as that shown on Obama's "birth certificate".
At least that is the claim being made in the lawsuit referenced above.
It also seems Obama's step daddy had a half sister, born in a foreign country, but was issued a Hawaiian birth certificate. Miz Taitz is asking the court have Hawaii produce it, too.
And she includes reference to how Obama put a moratorium on oil and gas exploration in the Gulf and promptly ziggied down to Brazil where he made speeches about how the US ought to buy more of their oil , , , right after he brokered a , , , what was it, a 10 million , , or was it billion , , dollar loan to the Brazilians so that they could provide China with drilling equipment they bought from the US. . . . or something like that.
The intrigue is getting thicker and thicker.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 19:11:49 GMT -5
<<<<Virginia Sunahara Born August 4, 1961 Wahiana Hospital, Honolulu. Died August 5, 1961 at Kapiolani Hospital, Honolulu, and whose birth certificate apparently has the same number as that shown on Obama's "birth certificate".
At least that is the claim being made in the lawsuit referenced above.
It also seems Obama's step daddy had a half sister, born in a foreign country, but was issued a Hawaiian birth certificate. Miz Taitz is asking the court have Hawaii produce it, too.>>>>
Interesting..
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Post by Opti on May 16, 2011 19:26:49 GMT -5
Top Ten (birther) reasons why Obama can't be President: 1) He was really born in Kenya. 2) He is not a natural born citizen because his father was not an American. 3) He is a dual citizen with citizenship in Kenya. 4) He is a dual citizen with citizenship in Indonesia. 5) He wasn't born in Hawaii but got a Hawaiian birth certificate because they allowed that back then. 6) He never officially changed his last name from Soto to Obama. His birth certificate is obviously fake because .... 7) There are too many layers, internet graphic experts renounce it 8) His Dad's race can't be African, someone said it must be Negro because it was 1961. 9) There are problems with the birth certificate numbers .... ..... there are twin girls and then there is this dead person ... ....... Its its just wrong because ... 10) And the top reason Obama can't be president? ORLY SAID SO! ;D
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Post by henryclay on May 17, 2011 17:27:32 GMT -5
It just keeps coming and coming and coming. Obama: "The only people who don't want the truth are people with something to hide." There are two videos that discuss anomalies in the Obama "birth certificate". and In addition to the information in the second video there us a little exercise that any one of us can do that may also be of interest. At the 1:11 point there is the Registrar's stamp and signature. At the 1:15 point there is that same stamp and signature, but this one is taken from a birth certificate issued the following day. I stopped the video by placing my cursor over the ball on the video slide bar at the bottom and left clicking on it, then I dragged the ball back and forth, which manipulates the video from one signature to the other and observed the two signatures. I did it several times slowly. After what I saw I defy anyone on the planet to write their signature among the same typed text on different sheets of paper and have both signatures come out, (with the "i's" dotted, commas, and dots after the letters "T" "P" and "hd"), not only as exact overlays of each other, but also as exact overlays of the two signatures' positions in relation to the typed text. As the video says, this thing is far from settled.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 17:44:57 GMT -5
Interesting. Would the sigs have to be originals, not just form?
I just checked my new certified BC from TX. While the sig looks like a form print sig I do have 2 raised state of TX seals, one state of TX seal, one the TX state health dept. seal. Just got it in the mail a month or so ago. My kids all have the same raised seals, and they are from back when they were babies. Was the seal issue on Obama's copy resolved yet?
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Post by marshabar1 on May 17, 2011 17:46:24 GMT -5
... The end of the story about your hero hasn't been written yet, so in timing with that story, I'll wait to post the end of the poem and see how it measures up. Something tells me when the game is over, when the fans are gone and the stands are quiet, it'll be a tie. SPOILER ALERT: Do not read the following if you don't want to know how it ends: Oh, 'bout everywhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright, The band is playing every where, and every where hearts are light, And every where men are laughing, and little children shout; But there is no joy in Mudslingingville — mighty Orly has struck out.
Funny, billis.
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Post by henryclay on May 17, 2011 17:54:59 GMT -5
Was the seal issue on Obama's copy resolved yet? Not according to the videos. In re stamps for signatures on certified documents? ?? Not permited in anything I have ever encountered. It is in ink and done by the hand of the person doing the certifying. Suppose that just before some clerk affixes the stamp the person who is supposed to be doing the certifying up and croaks? But, under Obama, and for Obama, and coming out of Hawaii. . . . who knows?
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Post by marshabar1 on May 17, 2011 18:03:47 GMT -5
hmmmm. . . different registrar for Nordyke twins birth certificate, funny since they were born ONE day before Obama? Also Obama's birth certificate has a higher registration number than the Nordykes although they were born before he was. Odder and odder. . .
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 17, 2011 18:13:17 GMT -5
Well isn't that how numeration works? If the first baby born was 1, then the second baby born later would be 2. Am I typing this too fast?
Well, you keep trying, and we'll be sure to keep taking you seriously. Seriously, we take you seriously. Seriously.
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