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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 8:18:38 GMT -5
By Steve Goldstein WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Dogged by criticism from Donald Trump and others over whether he was born in the United States, President Barack Obama on Wednesday released his long-form birth certificate, the White House said. Obama "believed the distraction over his birth certificate wasn't good for the country. It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the American people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country," the White House said in a statement. Obama directed his counsel to review the legal authority for seeking access to the long-form certificate and to request on that basis that the Hawaii State Department of Health make an exception to release a copy of his long-form birth certificate, which the state usually does not release. A PDF of the certificate is now on the White House website. www.marketwatch.com/story/white-house-releases-long-form-birth-certificate-2011-04-27-97580I haven't been able to find the pdf, yet... Is Trump the Man for making this happen?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 8:21:30 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 27, 2011 8:30:37 GMT -5
Okay, it is a long time between now and November 2012, but President Obama is going to have to be pretty damn amazing to get my vote then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 8:31:46 GMT -5
Well Archie that was obviously a fake. I have learned from several reputable posters right here on notmsn that Obama was born in Kenya. Is Trump the man for getting Obama to release it?
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Apr 27, 2011 8:38:09 GMT -5
Well Archie that was obviously a fake. I have learned from several reputable posters right here on notmsn that Obama was born in Kenya. Is Trump the man for getting Obama to release it? He sure is, and it's about freaking time.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 27, 2011 8:38:10 GMT -5
...to a point, Trump will be "the man" for making this particular spit hit this particular fan...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 8:38:59 GMT -5
What else can Trump do?
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 27, 2011 8:40:36 GMT -5
No. He's an arse for not accepting the legal Certificate of Live Birth released by the state of Hawaii in the first place. This whole mess has been absolutely stupid from the beginning, and it still is.
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Post by rockon on Apr 27, 2011 8:40:50 GMT -5
The real question is the same as before... Why not resolve this question two and a half years ago? Now that he has an actual birth certificate in his hands to show the world then it should no longer be considered racist to support state legislation that requires identification before ones name goes on the ballot right?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 8:40:56 GMT -5
Trump wins. Obama was forced to acquiesce to Trump's demand. As usual, I am correct: there's no losing position for Donald Trump on this. Obama doesn't do it, and Trump keeps hammering him; or Obama gives in and the country has to wonder what kind of an adolescent would hold out this long for no reason?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 8:42:46 GMT -5
What else can the Donald do? He seems have some new found gravitas seeing that the President is essentially replying to his recent queries.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 8:45:33 GMT -5
The birth certificate is real. As I predicted, Obama is a citizen. He was only holding out because he's a jerk and he wanted to use the issue as a means of marginalizing his political opponents. In the end, however, the whole thing reflect very poorly on the President. American now wonders why this didn't happen two and a half years ago; and he showed great weakness in that he had to give in to a showboat populist newcomer to politics. You gotta wonder-- are we better off with Obama negotiating deals on behalf of our country when he can't deal with a challenge from Donald Trump without having to give in? Not only that, but he had to give in on a position that wasn't worth holding out on to start with. Shows extremely poor judgment.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 27, 2011 8:47:31 GMT -5
It would be a pretty easy fraudulent document to produce. Why was he hiding it in the first place? You have to ask yourselves why you have to pee in a cup to get a minimum wage job but somehow we aren't supposed to hold our President accountable to any standards? Uh huh. Just reverse the first two sentences above for your answer. Why was he hiding it in the first place? It would be a pretty easy fraudulent document to produce. His releasing it now is bs IM(not so)HO. He should have done it years ago or not at all. Major mistake on his part.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 27, 2011 8:48:08 GMT -5
Ha, ha, ha. I knew it. Not a dozen posts into it before the accusations fly that it is fake. You have to give it to the birthers for their persistance! You knew it would happen! Hell, we all knew it would happen. If you want to believe something badly enough, you'll believe it in the face of anything ... even absolute proof to the contrary.
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Post by henryclay on Apr 27, 2011 8:48:11 GMT -5
GOOD. Now we can get down to the business of getting all those other records, too. And especially to the matter of applying the Constitution. In that regard I wonder if the reference, "native born" was a part of the Colonial lexicon in the late 1700's. I know I miss a lot, but I have never heard it referred to as being written into the Constitution. So I wonder if we can get passed that reference and concentrate on the words that DO appear in our very first legal document; that refereence being "natural born".
I think "natural born" means something more than does "native born". So, if we believe Obama's daddy was a British subject, and that citizenship follows the father, (if one is present and named as BEING the father), and bearing in mind the thought of keeping all the complexities of possible foreign influence out of the White House, does the fact that Obama had the birthright to be raised as a BRITISH SUBJECT have anything to with his eligibility to run for the office of president of the United States?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 8:49:09 GMT -5
The birth certificate will check out. The President behaves like a petulant little 13 year old, but he's not actually that stupid. The doctor(s) and other officials that signed it will have to be real people, and they won't all be dead or disappeared. It's going to check out. This particular issue is settled.
Like I said- I've been an agnostic on this issue. I had to assume that the Secret Service wouldn't have vetted the man. But there's no reason to believe that he could fake this. It's got to check out. And it will.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 8:51:02 GMT -5
Is Trump the ultimate politician? Can he keep this going until the next election?
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 27, 2011 8:51:15 GMT -5
It would be a pretty easy fraudulent document to produce. Why was he hiding it in the first place? You have to ask yourselves why you have to pee in a cup to get a minimum wage job but somehow we aren't supposed to hold our President accountable to any standards? Uh huh. Just reverse the first two sentences above for your answer. Why was he hiding it in the first place? It would be a pretty easy fraudulent document to produce. His releasing it now is bs IM(not so)HO. He should have done it years ago or not at all. Major mistake on his part. I agree, billis. Perhaps I'm just stubborn, but there's no way I would have given in at this point. A perfectly legal Certificate of Live Birth was released. That would suffice, as far as I'm concerned, and those who were going to insist it was fraudulent would continue to do so, no matter what. I believe that will prove out.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 8:53:25 GMT -5
It would be a pretty easy fraudulent document to produce. Why was he hiding it in the first place? You have to ask yourselves why you have to pee in a cup to get a minimum wage job but somehow we aren't supposed to hold our President accountable to any standards? Uh huh. Just reverse the first two sentences above for your answer. Why was he hiding it in the first place? It would be a pretty easy fraudulent document to produce. His releasing it now is bs IM(not so)HO. He should have done it years ago or not at all. Major mistake on his part. Yes, it was. And you have to wonder about the man's judgment, do you not? If he bungled the handling of this so badly, and was finall forced to acquiesce to the demands of a showboat billionaire and reality TV star-- it really calls into question his ability to handle anything else.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 8:54:34 GMT -5
So, why wasn't this issue laid to rest when he first came on the scene as a candidate? Exactly. And to call Donald Trump names just now, it's just beneath the Presidency. Once again, it really just looks especially bad for him right now.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 27, 2011 8:55:26 GMT -5
<<< His releasing it now is bs IM(not so)HO. He should have done it years ago or not at all. Major mistake on his part. >>>
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 8:57:05 GMT -5
We spend to much time villifying each other, but then he's going to call Donald Trump a "carnival barker" (he IS a carnival barker- but that's not the point).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 8:58:10 GMT -5
So is this going to be Trump's One Trick Pony, or does he have more up his sleeve?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 8:58:12 GMT -5
And once again-- if the President of the United States had to go ALL STOP on the ship of state to respond to the challenge of a 'carnival barker'...what does that make Obama?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 8:59:57 GMT -5
So, why wasn't this issue laid to rest when he first came on the scene as a candidate? Because the man is an obnoxious little jerk. I think he made that abundantly clear today at the press conference.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 27, 2011 9:07:53 GMT -5
And, what about his college transcipts? What is/was the big freakin' deal about that? I have had to produce my college transcipts for jobs, why not him? Why didn't he? If he is such a "private person" or whatever, then you don't run for that type of office. WHY DIDN"T HE PRODUCE THESE THINGS 2 YRS AGO? Let's hear your spin and justification for WHY he didn't and WHY Americans didn't have a "right to know " these things. Is it important for the American people to know these things? Let's have a vote of the American people on whether a majority of them care or not. Wait, we did and the majority said they didn't care. They elected the man POTUS.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 27, 2011 9:14:16 GMT -5
Frankly, I still don't care about his college transcripts, any more than I worried about whether, or not, the state of Hawaii was in collusion to produce falsified proof of the man's birth! It's simply ludicrous, to my mind ... and I did't vote for the man. The people voted, and President Obama was elected to office.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 9:15:07 GMT -5
Is it important for the American people to know these things? Well, if by "these things" you mean the Constitutional eligibility of the President? Yes. The election didn't settle the matter. The electorate assumed he was eligible because why would an ineligible man be permitted to run for President? A significant number of people still assume he won the Democrat Primary for the nomination. He did not. He was selected by Democratic Party rules, and not by a majority of Democrat voters. And while we're on the topic of elections-- Republicans won in 2010. I guess that settles everything and the President should roll over and do whatever they tell him because the issues were decided in November 2010?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 27, 2011 9:26:26 GMT -5
Well, that is by far the best explanation to date. I know people very well. I'm exceptionally gifted in reading people, and I'll tell you about Obama... He's that obnoxious kid that thinks he's the smartest kid in the class. He's not. He is not 'self aware' and he does not have a grasp on how he is percieved by others. He is the teacher's pet type, and the darling of his mother, and is exceptional when he is 'on script' or 'on stage' doing what his handlers expect him and want him to do. But when he's out on his own, he's the kid that takes a practical joke that isn't that funny to start with, too far. He's the kid that tells the 'not very funny' joke, laughs at his own joke at the top of his lungs, and keeps laughing long past the time when it's obvious no one else is laughing and the crowd is dispersing and mumbling under their breath. He is desperate for attention, starving for power, because he is uncomfortable in his own skin. He needs external things like job titles, position, and the admiration of others to validate his very existence. This issue really spotlights the fact that he is a sad, empty, petty little man who never really grew up, never really worked at anything, never achieved anything, never stood on his own two feet, and has no idea who he is or even who he'd like to be. He's a people-pleaser. Has been his whole pathetic life. This leaves him sad and angry, and in the coming years- you can print this out and save it- he will descend into an even more vitriolic, angry, and resentful mode and get more and more extreme as time goes on.
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Post by decoy409 on Apr 27, 2011 9:28:49 GMT -5
Yes I say it's b.s. as well. I say that as I have watched and read and listened for the previous years like many others as to this outcome. Now you want to see something really cool! There was a site that followed as to this issue on the birth certificate and they were doing a very good job at covering it. Now for the cool part! All of the pertinment presented looks have been DELEATED. Third Obama birth certificate appears in court nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/third-obama-birth-certificate-appears-in-court/
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