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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 20:54:50 GMT -5
Yes-- they think that is clever. HEE-HEE
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2011 21:04:51 GMT -5
Why?
Maybe?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 21:12:04 GMT -5
Well, bills.. I WILL give you a ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/thumbs_up.gif) for posting that, as this thread has been a bit hot today. ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/wink_smile.gif)
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2011 21:20:11 GMT -5
Well, bills.. I WILL give you a ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/thumbs_up.gif) for posting that, as this thread has been a bit hot today. ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/wink_smile.gif) I was serious.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 21:41:33 GMT -5
On Birth Certificate, Obama Acted Like He Had Something to Hide
By Peter Roff
Posted: May 4, 2011
Bowing to pressure from billionaire construction magnate, casino owner, reality star, and potential GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, the White House last week released what it says is the long-awaited long-form copy of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate.
The discussion of the document was abridged, thanks to the killing of Osama bin Laden. Nevertheless, it infected even that bit of long-sought news. It’s not clear who was the first person to say it, but the Internet is replete with demands, made in jest, one believes, that the White House release bin Laden’s long-form death certificate.
It should come as no surprise that the birth certificate, which some allege is only page one of four, shows he was—as he and his supporters have repeatedly claimed—born in Hawaii, making him a natural born U.S. citizen eligible to hold the office of president of the United States.
There are those, like CBS anchor Bob Schieffer, who have suggested the whole discussion is tinged with racism. In some quarters, maybe. It’s perfectly understandable how someone who sees the world in terms of race could come to that conclusion, however imprecise it might be, given that Obama—with apologies to Bill Clinton—is the nation’s first black president. [Check out a roundup of political cartoons on the GOP 2012 candidates.]
Nevertheless it’s true that Obama and his minions, similar to the late, unlamented Saddam Hussein, were acting like they had something to hide—in this case an embarrassing, perhaps disqualifying document rather than weapons of mass destruction. They raised and spent a lot of money trying to keep the document hidden from public view—and it was and is fair to ask why they did so.
Those people who never allow facts to get in the way fail to understand that Obama, in addition to being the nation’s first black president, is the most liberal in at least a generation. He has and wants to continue to expand the size and scope of the federal government, raise taxes, increase federal spending until it permanently consumes about 25 percent of U.S. GDP—up from the historical average of about 18 percent—and move the United States leftward until it is almost indistinguishable from the modern European-style welfare state.www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/05/04/on-birth-certificate-obama-acted-like-he-had-something-to-hide
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 21:44:02 GMT -5
There are those, like CBS anchor Bob Schieffer, who have suggested the whole discussion is tinged with racism. In some quarters, maybe. It’s perfectly understandable how someone who sees the world in terms of race could come to that conclusion, however imprecise it might be, given that Obama—with apologies to Bill Clinton—is the nation’s first black president.
Liberals really do see the world in terms of race. It is so patently obvious both in racist statements routinely made by them as well as in their constant projection of their own racism on those who disagree with them.
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Post by Opti on May 5, 2011 9:13:49 GMT -5
"What the document confirms is Obama’s father is exactly who Obama says he is; a foreign national. And, therefore Obama in not a natural born Citizen, as required under Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution to be president of the United States." He's fine, his Mom was American. Does this mean Trump can't run because both his parents are German immigrants? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) "What is peculiar though, where the document asks for the race and birthplace of each parent, it states Obama, Sr. was born in “Kenya, East Africa” with his race shown as “African,” which is neither a race nor a term used to describe race in 1961." To me African is a race, Negro isn't. I'd like to see some proof of other birth certificates in Hawaii from that time period used Negro for a father or mother born in Africa instead of African. My guess is Negro was used on the mainland as a race for people born in America, not people born outside it. I'm rather tired of the assertion that Obama has been spending any money to suppress the release of his birth certificate. Only he can authorize its release. In fact it costs nothing to not release it and a nominal amount of money to release it. Do you think Trump is spending any money to not release his tax forms?
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Post by Shirina on May 5, 2011 9:17:46 GMT -5
If they are made so routinely, then surely you can easily find a few.
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Post by Opti on May 5, 2011 9:18:41 GMT -5
There are those, like CBS anchor Bob Schieffer, who have suggested the whole discussion is tinged with racism. In some quarters, maybe. It’s perfectly understandable how someone who sees the world in terms of race could come to that conclusion, however imprecise it might be, given that Obama—with apologies to Bill Clinton—is the nation’s first black president.Liberals really do see the world in terms of race. It is so patently obvious both in racist statements routinely made by them as well as in their constant projection of their own racism on those who disagree with them. I'm playing the BS card. I occasionally call myself a liberal and I've been vocal on this board that I believe race is not the issue in this birther stuff and other political attacks on Obama. There are some conservatives and some liberals who tend to see race issues more than others. It isn't all of either group.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on May 5, 2011 9:21:31 GMT -5
<<My guess is Negro was used on the mainland as a race for people born in America, not people born outside it.>>
I heard a woman on the radio who was a maternity nurse in the early 60s say that this is exactly what was done back then.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 5, 2011 12:31:57 GMT -5
If they are made so routinely, then surely you can easily find a few. Been there, done that ad nauseum. Google or Bing liberal racism. There is, as you know, a whole history in place leading naturally to continuing instances right up until today.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 6, 2011 15:06:24 GMT -5
We knew the day Barack Obama announced the release of his Birth Certificate that the document would be checked nine ways to Sunday for authenticity. Well, the Internet sleuths have done their work and preliminary indications are that it is not only fake, it is not even a good fake. I am about Obama's age and my Birth Certificate is yellowed, creased and wrinkled. I wonder why Obama's looks brand new? Maybe that is because it is brand new. Perhaps this is why he spent millions of dollars over three years to prevent its release only to hastily let it out when he started to lose the PR battle over the issue. Three websites will give you the basics on the forensic details of the document. Check them out here, here and here. The evidence is so overwhelming that the Birth Certificate is a fake, it is as if he is toying with us. Obama seems to be daring anyone to verify the document and apply it to a Constitutional standard. It's like, "Yeah, it's fake. What are you going to do about it?" His intent is obviously to stir up infighting between his opponents and throw them off track. Assuming the Birth Certificate was real, another issue regarding his constitutionality to be president that is often overlooked is the definition of a natural born citizen. Until 2008, the common understanding of a natural born citizen was that all persons born within the U.S., of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, were natural born citizens. Obama's father (being Kenyan and in 1961 being a subject of the British Crown) would by this definition exclude Obama as a natural born citizen. He would be classified a naturalized citizen. If this case ever came in front of the Supreme Court, however, it is likely the court would disregard all previous definitions and rule that Obama is a natural born citizen. They would likely disregard any evidence of a fake Birth Certificate as well. Obama was sworn in as president two years ago, and they would not have the nerve to remove him from office after all this time. www.renewamerica.com/columns/lukens/110506
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Post by henryclay on May 6, 2011 15:20:39 GMT -5
Good'un Marsha. ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/button29934414.png)
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Post by Opti on May 6, 2011 15:23:22 GMT -5
"I am about Obama's age and my Birth Certificate is yellowed, creased and wrinkled. I wonder why Obama's looks brand new? "
I guess you are unfamiliar with how certified copies work? All I had from my Mom was a certificate of Live Birth with no seal so I needed to get a certified copy a few years ago for driver's license purposes.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 16:22:40 GMT -5
Hoping to continue the conversation here, as my comp does not work well on the other allowed thread.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 13, 2011 17:05:39 GMT -5
Is there new stuff on the BC of BO? ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/what_smile.gif)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 17:14:53 GMT -5
Henry posted on Obama birther racist thread, but my comp does not work well there, so I left. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif)
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Post by marshabar1 on May 13, 2011 17:37:59 GMT -5
Henry posted on Obama birther racist thread, but my comp does not work well there, so I left. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif) What happens to your computer?? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 17:41:54 GMT -5
Screen fills up, CRAWLS, that thread only. I think it may be the pics. I've had that issue on other high pic threads, too. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif)
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Post by marshabar1 on May 13, 2011 17:53:46 GMT -5
Screen fills up, CRAWLS, that thread only. I think it may be the pics. I've had that issue on other high pic threads, too. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif) Some images were messing with my Mac too. And then I'd get an invitation from Satan to open up some pretty malware. ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/9.gif)
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Post by henryclay on May 13, 2011 18:13:06 GMT -5
Thanx, krickitt, I looked for this thread to post on, but I didn't find it, so I settled for the Lakota thread. Here is what I posted. I expect it has already been seen by anyone still interested. Of course I got a response from a liberal, but rather than address the facts it just took issue with the questions raised in my post. Liberals have to go pretty deep to find a bottom to the verbage they will use to draw attention away from reality, so this will offer them anotherr chance to go deeper. Perhaps this thread is so old that they will just stay away and hope it dies.
And that may be the case, but it sure doesn't answer the reality.
Obama has released his "birth certificate". It is a certified copy of a record in their files. The one in their files was apparently signed on August 8th, 1961. If that is true, (and it is certified to be true), how can it have two items identified on it that did not exist in 1961?
The hospital where Obama is listed to have been born is one place that did not exist , , , under that name , , , in 1961, and the place of birth of Obama's father , (Kenya, East Africa), didn't exist either in 1961, , , under that name.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 18:24:42 GMT -5
I just saw something new, too, Henry. Check it out. Further info about young Obama. www.wnd.com/?pageId=297609Obama mama promised U.S. to homeschool son Instead signed up 'Barry' as Muslim in Indonesia's own education system (Too long to post.)
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Post by Tennesseer on May 13, 2011 18:44:21 GMT -5
"President Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, told the U.S. government she would homeschool her son using U.S.-approved textbooks during the period she moved the family to Indonesia, according to testimony unearthed by WND.
Dunham, however, broke her pledge. She enrolled the future president in Indonesian schools, where he was registered as a Muslim going by the name "President Obama."
I would say we should draw and quarter Stanley Ann Dunham but she is long past dead.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 18:44:55 GMT -5
I just don't know any more, henry. SO many questions. I was reminded yesterday about the Frank Marshall Davis connection, the "Pop" poem... I have no idea who this guy is. His Mom was a liar, though, apparently. Plus, at the VERY least the boy had some terrible influences in his young life, and that is at the least.
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Post by henryclay on May 13, 2011 21:12:45 GMT -5
Frank Marshall Davis was a black political activist and member of the Communist Party USA. He is supposed to have come from close to where Obama's mother came from, but they may have only met after they had both moved to Hawaii. In congress the House Unamerican Activities Committee listed Davis as being a front man in Hawaii for several Communist organizations.
He is alluded to in Obama's book, "Dreams of My Father", and some have said that he WAS Obama's father. It's for sure Obama never knew the man whose name he carries because he disappeared from Obama's life when he was 2 years old. The next father he had, , was a couple years after that and he was only around for about 3 years. After that there was no "father" for him to learn any dreams from, and I doubt that he would know at those ages, 8 years old and younger, what a man's dreams were. Nor can I imagine him remembering what name he used when talking to or about his father, Obama, Sr.
It is possible that he might remember what he called , but that period was only during his stay in Indonesia, where was contracted to the military. Do you suppose Obama, who was attending a muslim school and participating in mosque prayer services, would call his Indonesian muslim step-father "pop"? I'd think it is more likely the "pop" in the poem s the same "Frank" that had such an influence on him, (according to his book), for 8 or 9 years as he was growing up after returning to Hawaii in 1971. The poem was published when he was 19 at Occidental College in Los Angeles.
Obama undoubtedly had a very unsettled childhood and one that would hardly, as he has demonstrated so well, prepare him for the job he now holds.
For references google Frank Marshall Davis and Obama Young years. There are thousands of sources.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 13, 2011 22:06:05 GMT -5
Got some stuff on the Obama black history party thread about Davis, Henry. I thought I had posted part of the Congressional investigation report on the Honolulu Record and Davis un-American activities. Couldn't find it. May search again and repost. Can posts go away ENTIRELY?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2011 3:14:38 GMT -5
You did post it, Marsha. I was posting there,too. Can't remember which thread. It was just 2 days ago.
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Post by cereb on May 15, 2011 0:50:00 GMT -5
Attention K-Mart shoppers... our blue light special for today features Reynolds Aluminum foil, 2 for the price of one. Great for BBQ grills, storing leftovers, making hats...
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Post by henryclay on May 15, 2011 5:58:17 GMT -5
I wonder if this stamp is on everything that comes out of the Hawaii state Registrar's office over Mr. Alvin T. Onaka, Ph. D.'s signature. After reading the wording on it I have to wonder of Mr. Onaka pays any better attention to the documents he signs than he does to the stamp over his signature. ![](http://www.wnd.com/images/110512birthcertstamp.JPG)
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