Rep. Paul Ryan: A Very Scary Dude

[pappyjohn99]

Mr. Lakhota, Clinton and Bush are gone. Would you care to speak on the trillion $ spending spree our current president went on and what we got for our money?

[traelin0]

Jan 1, 2011 1:02:16 GMT -5 pappyjohn99 said:

Mr. Lakhota, Clinton and Bush are gone. Would you care to speak on the trillion $ spending spree our current president went on and what we got for our money?

$1.4 trillion deficit for two consecutive years, but who's counting?

[lakhota]

I hear you, Traelin0, but it really gulls me when Republicans talk about balancing the budget and reducing the national debt - on the backs of the poor and Middle Class.

It also gulls me when righties talk about Social Security and Medicare like they are welfare handouts - freebies - which they are not.

[pappyjohn99]

IMO, better to take it on the chin domestically than duke it out with the whole world. Maybe we could reestablish some self reliance. I don't care to lose my only son in a fruitless war.

[traelin0]

Jan 1, 2011 1:07:55 GMT -5 pappyjohn99 said:

IMO, better to take it on the chin domestically than duke it out with the whole world. Maybe we could reestablish some self reliance. I don't care to lose my only son in a fruitless war.

How would we fund it anyways? The dollar is dead dude. Humans don't accept worthless paper immediately after worthless paper goes defunct, generally speaking. Hell, DC has forced the dollar down our throats since 1965 via legal tender laws as it is. It's more likely the dollar dies, the internal structure collapses, and the country schisms. It's too big to function with such a bloated govt. anyways. I don't even pay attention to what DC does anymore, for the most part. It's pointless and these guys get off on being listened to. They're full of hot air and clueless.

[traelin0]

Jan 1, 2011 1:06:57 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

I hear you, Traelin0, but it really gulls me when Republicans talk about balancing the budget and reducing the national debt - on the backs of the poor and Middle Class.

It also gulls me when righties talk about Social Security and Medicare like they are welfare handouts - freebies - which they are not.

I wouldn't worry about it. Voting doesn't make a difference anymore.

[pappyjohn99]

[How would we fund it anyways? The dollar is dead dude. Humans don't accept worthless paper immediately after worthless paper goes defunct, generally speaking. Hell, DC has forced the dollar down our throats since 1965 via legal tender laws as it is. It's more likely the dollar dies, the internal structure collapses, and the country schisms.

Bear with me, I ain't as smart as you. By schisms do you expect it to break up regionally?

[pappyjohn99]

I'm about out of power so I'm signing off for the night. Best wishes to all on this first day of the new year. Be safe in 2011 and plan for the worst and hope for the best.

[traelin0]

Jan 1, 2011 1:21:46 GMT -5 pappyjohn99 said:

Bear with me, I ain't as smart as you. By schisms do you expect it to break up regionally?

Think of what happened to the USSR. That's what happens to empires with a govt. that has become too big for its britches.

[warsaw (banned)]

Please try and remain calm. The debt has gone up 20% the last two year to avoid ANOTHER Pub Great Depression, and it worked...Thanks for the fear mongering...

[ugonow]

I like Paul Ryans proposal to get rid of medicare. The principal is pretty much the same as with McCain/Palins healthcare plan. People in charge of their own healthcare will be more prudent and cost conscience. I hope officials have the guts to put plans like these in place.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Nothing short of "stunning and unprecedented" can solve our current problems. If you're actually scared of him, I'm sure that makes him a very reasonable and practical problem solver. I like him even more now.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Every empire has collapsed through government excesses. Every country to be found at the waste of nations past is marred by out of control spending, out of control bureacracy and regulation, and crushing taxes.

The ONLY way to save America (which I recognize is not the goal of Obamacrats) is to CUT government spending, REDUCE the size of government, and LOWER taxes to a sane and sustainable level.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 30, 2010 22:15:40 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

There still is the Senate and the Ecexutive, unless rhe GOP is ready to stop any movement on reforms working with the other House and the President..If needed there is the executive provolidge and decree ..a lot can be done if needed.
President do have lots and lots of power and if the American public sees that one side is blocking and causing unnecessary mischief and not working together well..there is 2012 and it may not go the way they hope.
American electorate..when they get p off..watch out..it's just a case of who suffers their wrath.

Another fun little Constitutional glitch for Democrats-- ObamaCare, by the admission of the Obama regime and their representatives under Oath in numerous Federal Court cases my not ever have passed into law, and may in fact be null and void.

They claimed that the unConstitutional "individual mandate" wasn't a tax when the bill passed, but since Congress has NO AUTHORITY under the Constitution to impose a "fine" they are now claiming that it IS a tax after all.

The fun part? That makes the bill unConstitutional in its entirety because it originated in the Senate which is a clear violation of Article 1, Section 7 of The Constitution:

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Translation: The bill is not law under the new story, given under oath, by the Obama regime.

[pappyjohn99]

Ryan made an interesting point at a rally this summer. Remember the circumstances of the bill? Christmas vacation was bearing down on Reid and Pelosi. Then, to every ones amazement, Brown got elected in Massachusetts. Well. the dynamic duo rammed the bill through before Brown got sworn in. They figured that they cold fix anything that they needed to at a future date. So that's what they did. But when they slapped that monstrosity together they omitted something called the "Segregation clause". Due to this, it seems that now if any part of the bill is found to be unconstitutional, the whole bill gets thrown out.

I wonder how that would reflect on the wicked witches legacy? ;D

[billisonboard]

"But when they slapped that monstrosity together they omitted something called the "Segregation clause"."

Was that a mistake or part of the plan?

[pappyjohn99]

I know Pelosi is insane. Do you think she would throw The Great Leader under the bus?

[billisonboard]

Don't think that would be result of a judge overriding the entire bill.

[pappyjohn99]

Of course, one judge couldn't accomplish it. It will take a ruling of the SCOTUS.

[billisonboard]

One judge certainly can. It would be appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court but that would take time. People have already recognized benefits from it. Will all of those be taken away while the case worked its way through the courts or would they continue to enjoy them for a few years and then have the Supremes take them all away?

[pappyjohn99]

I am working from memory. It seems to me that 2 judges have ruled sections constitutional and one has ruled against. I am not sure if the rulings are all regarding the same issue. Since I get a new memo every month concerning changes to our health care at work, I assume that the bill is considered law until ruled otherwise. < shrug>

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

A judge can't rule on a bill. My point is nothing more is required except nullification- a complete, universal ignoring of the bill as law-- because it's not law. It never passed as required, so as law it doesn't exist. No ruling is required. It simply needs to be treated by all concerned as a non-entity, as if it does not exist-- because it doesn't.

[pappyjohn99]

You will get no argument from me Paul. Yet i work for a fortune 500 company and they are taking it seriously

[pappyjohn99]

Hey! I have Karma!

[billisonboard]

Jan 1, 2011 15:03:56 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

A judge can't rule on a bill. ...

Oh.

Obama Health Care Bill Ruled Unconstitutional: What Does It Mean ...Dec 13, 2010 ... A central provision of the Obama Administration's overhaul of health care has been ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge in Virginia.
www.good.is/.../obamacare-ruled-unconstitutional-what-does-it-mean/ - Cached

[deziloooooo]

Palm thats your opinion which you have a right to..We'll see how it plays out as it works it's way through the system..which will take time.
In the meantime, till then, it's the law of the land.
Different things are going into effect today, and as Lakhota posted, and I put up too, for those who have qustions as to what will be going into effect for the next # of years, it's no longer a secret, just go look at the thread.

[pappyjohn99]

Bill- your link did not work for me. I found this-

Key Provision of Obamacare Ruled Unconstitutional

It's a good day, folks. You gotta love this from the Constitutional Law Professor part time instructor in the White House. Bwahahahahahahaha

Take the gloves off, the fight has begun.

A Virginia judge on Monday determined that the law’s requirement that most Americans have health insurance (or pay to opt-out) is unconstitutional.

RICHMOND – A federal judge in Virginia ruled Monday that a key provision of the nation’s sweeping health-care overhaul is unconstitutional, the most significant legal setback so far for President Obama’s signature domestic initiative.

U.S. District Court Judge Henry E. Hudson found that Congress could not order individuals to buy health insurance.

In a 42-page opinion, Hudson said the provision of the law that requires most individuals to get insurance or pay a fine by 2014 is an unprecedented expansion of federal power that cannot be supported by Congress’s power to regulate interstate trade.

“Neither the Supreme Court nor any federal circuit court of appeals has extended Commerce Clause powers to compel an individual to involuntarily enter the stream of commerce by purchasing a commodity in the private market,” he wrote. “In doing so, enactment of the [individual mandate] exceeds the Commerce Clause powers vested in Congress under Article I [of the Constitution.]

read the rest: Key provision of health-care overhaul ruled unconstitutional.

UPDATE: Mark Levin had this in his Facebook post:

From Landmark Legal Foundation on ObamaCare

Today Federal District Judge Henry Hudson ruled against the Obama Administration on three essential points involving Obamacare:

1. Individuals who do not actively participate in commerce -- that is, who do not voluntarily purchase health insurance -- cannot be said to be participating in commerce under the United States Constitution's Commerce Clause, and there is no Supreme Court precedent providing otherwise;

2. The Necessary and Proper Clause of the Constitution cannot be used as a backdoor means to enforce a statute that is not otherwise constitutional under Congress's enumerated powers;

and 3. There is a difference between a tax and a penalty, there is much Supreme Court precedent in this regard, and the penalty provision in Obamacare is not a tax but a penalty and, therefore, is unconstitutional for it is applied to individuals who choose not to purchase health care.

Judge Hudson's ruling against the Obama Administration and for the Commonwealth of Virginia gives hope that the rule of law and the Constitution itself still having meaning. Landmark Legal Foundation has filed several amicus briefs in this case, at the request of the Commonwealth, and will continue to provide support in the likely event the Commonwealth is required to defend this decision in the Fourth Circuit and U.S. Supreme Court. Landmark would also like to congratulate Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli and the excellent lawyers in his office for their superb legal skills.



Landmark President Mark R. Levin declared: "It is a great day for the rule of law and the citizenry. Judge Hudson's ruling is ironclad, and General Cuccinelli deserves an enormous amount of credit for taking on this mater. We look forward to continuing to work with

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[upstatemom]

Pappyjohn, I gave you the Karma for comment #77. Pelosi is insane!

[pappyjohn99]

Thank you Darling!!!! It sure seems obvious to me.

[billisonboard]

So message #87 indicates that Congressman Ryan (as reported in message #75) is wrong.