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Post by rockon on Apr 22, 2011 8:22:38 GMT -5
Come on!!! Give Trump a break, he just asked some common sense questions that any objective thinking person would have asked twp years ago. Does our constitution have requirements for a person to be President of the United States? Is it the states duty to make sure the candidates are qualified? Why aren't they doing that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 8:27:09 GMT -5
They did. Common sense dictates that when a question has been answered.... thoroughly and repeatedly... that it is settled.
Obviously common sense went out the window a long time ago with some people...
I liked the Stephanopolis/Bauchman interview...
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Post by rockon on Apr 22, 2011 9:20:10 GMT -5
oped, Your hung up on the wrong topic. My question is not about Obama (although the way he handled his situation is strange at best) my question is why are the states not qualifying these candidates to this requirement and why do some not want the states to implement procedure to insure this requirement is met? As far as Steph/Bauchman. Neither are more qualified to certify someones certificate than you or I are. It's not their job or ours. It's the states duty to make sure this requirement is met and every state should have to implement a procedure that insure this happens.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 9:31:22 GMT -5
Arizona law would have said that birth certificate was not enough and asked for baptismal records or circumcision records? .... You think that's really about citizenship?
Hey rockon... Hawaii cerfified it, repeatedly, as accurate and true... isn't that enough?
States do have a procedure... as Hawaii has stated... it was followed.... just like it always is... and he is found, to be a citizen, born in Hawaii...
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Post by rockon on Apr 22, 2011 9:49:59 GMT -5
No the states do not have proper procedures to check the qualification of these candidates. Some states simply say that if no one files a protest within 5 days of someone filing then they are considered qualified. Can you imagine using this type of logic to check someones qualifications to drive a vehicle? I'm good with Hawaii certifying someones qualification just do not find it acceptable that the states have not been checking before putting people's name on the ballot. I also happen to find it humorous that so many act like they know whether someone is qualified or not when you and I both know that they are making these conclusions based on listening to our media outlets and because they either like or dislike the individual in question. We are not experts so we can only ask our representatives to follow our constitution and institute procedures that insure this requirement is met in the future.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 22, 2011 11:19:08 GMT -5
The Birther Issue may just cost Obama his bid for a second term if the polls on this issue don't change by 2012...with one out of four recently polled who think Obama is NOT a natural born citizen...But the White House doesn't know how to deal with this issue along with the deficit, gasoline prices, fiscal spending cuts, Libya, and etc and etc in other words they are a bunch of incompetent liberals who thought socialism was the cure for all that ails us...NOT!!!
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 22, 2011 11:43:49 GMT -5
No the states do not have proper procedures to check the qualification of these candidates. Some states simply say that if no one files a protest within 5 days of someone filing then they are considered qualified. Can you imagine using this type of logic to check someones qualifications to drive a vehicle? I'm good with Hawaii certifying someones qualification just do not find it acceptable that the states have not been checking before putting people's name on the ballot. I also happen to find it humorous that so many act like they know whether someone is qualified or not when you and I both know that they are making these conclusions based on listening to our media outlets and because they either like or dislike the individual in question. We are not experts so we can only ask our representatives to follow our constitution and institute procedures that insure this requirement is met in the future. States do have procedures and the Constitution has been followed en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privileges_and_Immunities_ClauseIf the state of HI certifies that he is a citizen then he retains that same certification through all the states and DC. He is entitled to all the privileges... Obama has gone through a complete background check with the FBI. It's more then just some clerk saying, ya he's good.
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Post by deziloooooo on Apr 22, 2011 12:13:26 GMT -5
Regarding Lakhota's post # 89, the hanging of the 39 Sioux males ordered by Lincoln
There are such stains of dishonor in our history, as on so many other nations, that is not a excuse, just a fact. Regrettably never really taught to our young or old, so one can know the truth and learn from the mistakes of the past. Great, positive things have been done by our country and citizens, which are part of our heritage, but bad things too are part of our legacy.
I know about wounded knee, the deaths of the leaders and how , even the dancing of the Sioux to bring back the Buffalo, remove the white man and the actions taken by the government to end this innocent , non threatening reaction of their frustrations and misery and conditions, that basically ended the plains wars, but usually from film and books written on the subject.
In many ways the actions of our Government and leaders then are sill being done today, in other lands as despots attempt to hold back populace uprisings and even here, when you read of some of our citizens ideas of solving problems of today, one I am thinking of is the illegal immigration problem we have here in our country today, and yes , I agree it is a problem, not something to be swept under the rug.
However, some of the solutions are reminiscent of drastic actions , while not so draconian as this event, the hangings of the thirty -nine, but also draconian , and the real problem is , some of those ideas are not just from frustrated members of the populace , but from those leaders who have been sent by the [populace to look out for our affairs.
Some here will object to what Lakhota has posted, finding fault because it's a long ago point in history, not relevant in their minds and here just to provoke. Another "Liberal " utterance by the man.
I disagree and thank him for bringing a event to our attention, that for most of us have either never known about, or if known, tucked away in the recesses of one minds as a little historical tidbit, with no relevance , just another fact to be forgotten and not learned from and not to be thought about as how could this have happened.
Yes it is a terrible stain on the great man , he was, but as I have kidded at some times here, he did not walk on water, he had warts, both real and inside , he was just a man and as one had many faults, as we all do.
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Post by lakhota on Apr 22, 2011 17:44:10 GMT -5
Yes, many wish to sweep it under the rug and continue to whitewash history. This thread is about racism and ugly racists. Native Americans have been subjected to racism for a long time. Native Americans understand racism.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 22, 2011 17:48:23 GMT -5
<<< This thread is about racism and ugly racists. >>> ...then post something political that is racist, so we can discuss the matter... the birther debate isn't racist, so there's no hope to bring change to its thinking...
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 22, 2011 17:49:34 GMT -5
Yes, many wish to sweep it under the rug and continue to whitewash history. This thread is about racism and ugly racists. Native Americans have been subjected to racism for a long time. Native Americans understand racism.
Yea but do you understand racism??? Or just like to keep playing the race card ad nauseum to stir things up for whatever reasons??
1 in 4 polled think Obama was not born in the USA so deal with it, and are they all racists?? No absolutely NOT
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 22, 2011 17:55:08 GMT -5
...fwiw, P.I., his place of birth would not make much difference to my thinking, because I fall into the camp that questions his dual-citizenship status, and I don't think we (founding fathers or current citizens) should ever have a POTUS who is a subject of another sovereign, so to speak... and I think that makes me a "birther" for the purposes of this discussion...
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 22, 2011 17:59:29 GMT -5
Lakhota has labeled several of us here as "racist"....why?? Because we disagreed with his posts that were just cut and paste from the on line liberal media..
He uses the term "racist" so much it has become meaningless...IMHO
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Apr 22, 2011 18:01:15 GMT -5
Give it up fcs...Factcheck" A: No. He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically on his 23rd birthday. The Rocky Mountain News did in fact run an online article asserting that Barack Obama holds both American and Kenyan citizenship. The article was incorrect, and the paper removed the item from the article and ran a correction. The paper's editor, John Temple, formally apologized for the error in an Aug. 15, 2007, column. Neither the correction nor the apology has prevented the column from circulating across the Internet as part of the latest set of baseless rumors that Obama is ineligible to run for president.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Apr 22, 2011 18:05:19 GMT -5
So there are no racists in the USA, and they wouldn't be irrational in their disbelief at Obama's nationality? Suuuurrrre! ;D
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 22, 2011 18:07:16 GMT -5
...hello, hellofrom... ...do me a favor and tell POTUS to unseal his college records showing that he didn't register or receive any foreign student status or stuff... and/or have the state dept. show that he swore allegience to only the USA after receiving any of that stuff, if he did... and then maybe, just maybe, you'll have a convert in me... ...see? change isn't that hard to come by...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 22, 2011 18:08:29 GMT -5
<<< So there are no racists in the USA, and they wouldn't be irrational in their disbelief at Obama's nationality? Suuuurrrre! >>> ...as for me, I never said there weren't american racists... but POTUS could be purple and I'd feel the same... for now...
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Apr 22, 2011 18:11:47 GMT -5
It's all been done. Give it up fcs...sheesh!! ;D
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Post by Opti on Apr 22, 2011 18:15:47 GMT -5
Been There, why should he unseal and show more records? Where could he possibly have dual citizenship at? Indonesia, No since as a minor he couldn't give up his USA citizenship therefore he could not even become an Indonesian citizen. So he's a dual citizen of the US and The fact that there are more birther theories than flies on a piece of poo tells me its all BS. Almost none of the birther theories even hang together.
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Post by ed1066 on Apr 22, 2011 18:16:04 GMT -5
This is great news! The liberal idiots still think it's about race. In other words, the epic ass-kicking they will again receive in 2012 will come as a complete surprise to the left wing dupes looking for racists under their beds while their representatives are shown the door in November 2012...I love it!
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Post by Opti on Apr 22, 2011 18:23:34 GMT -5
Correction Ed, some people think its about race. If you've read some of my posts I'm pretty clear that race is a red herring at best.
The crazy right wingers convincing people to continually look under their beds and elsewhere for Muslims of any kind is a bit of a problem.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 22, 2011 19:15:52 GMT -5
<<< give it up fcs... >>> ...do you mean me? ...and what's "fcs" mean? <<< why should he unseal and show more records? >>> ...because I, among others, have a reasonable doubt that he may have claimed to be of another nationality during his 20s... until I see evidence proving otherwise, my doubt remains...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Apr 22, 2011 19:17:26 GMT -5
It's all been done. Give it up fcs...sheesh!! ;D Well post his college records then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 19:22:42 GMT -5
For Craps Sake?? Who knows...
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Post by handyman2 on Apr 22, 2011 19:43:19 GMT -5
What I do not understand is why it seems that his so called degrees at Columbia university he is not well remembered? I know people forget but once he became president you would expect classmates bragging about attending class with him. That as far as I know is not happening. I find that unsual to say the least. His background seems lost in time for some reason. Makes one wonder.
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Post by lakhota on Apr 22, 2011 20:03:18 GMT -5
What I do not understand is why it seems that his so called degrees at Columbia university he is not well remembered? I know people forget but once he became president you would expect classmates bragging about attending class with him. That as far as I know is not happening. I find that unsual to say the least. His background seems lost in time for some reason. Makes one wonder. Really? Did you read Reply #22?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Apr 22, 2011 20:09:04 GMT -5
fer chrissake, everyone remembers him- idiocy!
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Post by lakhota on Apr 22, 2011 20:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on Apr 22, 2011 20:35:27 GMT -5
Racism comes in all colors... Floridas Allen West too bat**** crazy for US Army but peachy for GOPIncoming Florida Rep. Allen West, the keeper of the bats in the GOP belfry has rallied the Tea******* to "gather your muskets" to fight the tyrannical government. A recent speech slams Democrats and liberals as "tyrannical, socialist and despicable," so I presume we're to learn to dodge musket balls? Lest his militia grow weary of watching for un-American activity, West warns of the encroachment of Sharia Law in the United States. If he could but recognize it, there are some 'laws' far more insidious, and much closer to home. How fortunate for the citizens of this country that the Army chose to give Allen an early discharge with a full pension rather than any real punishment for his war crimes. He's too crazy for the Armed Services, but he's just right for Florida Republican Tea Party politics. rackjite.com/archives/6230-Floridas-Allen-West-too-batshit-crazy-for-US-Army-but-peachy-for-GOP.html
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Apr 22, 2011 20:36:04 GMT -5
They just can't deal with a black man as president, with a ferriner father...and the pub propaganda machine STILL keeps bringing it up...
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