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[pulmonarymd]

Sept 17, 2024 6:03:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 15, 2024 8:43:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I am a registered independent. You are just do far right you have no idea what a “liberal” is. Again, how do you balance the budget? Fraud and waste won’t do it. Real numbers, real idea. Not the stupid nonsense you spew all the time. As for being nasty, just following the example of your hero, Trump

All we ever do is say oh we have a deficit we spend this we have of revenue of that. That is spewing nonsense. Look at what we spend not just the bottom line I mean all of it, into each budget see the waste all the little pork projects that everyone puts into their bills. Look at the revenue. Do this before raising personal income, and  corporate tax, where money can come from. After all that then see what a good tax rate would be. Now I understand that won't even touch the 35 trillion of debt but if you stop the deficit bleeding first. The deficit was 1.7 trillion last year that is unacceptable this is for both sides so don't say well Republicans have this both sides are guilty of this shit. 

More nonsense. Here are some facts for your fact challenged brain. Defense, SS, Medicare/Medicaid and interest on the debt make up 60% of the budget. Cutting ALL of the rest of the budget does not close the deficit. And you think we are overtaxed. So again, what is your solution? What are you willing to sacrifice to close the deficit since republicans blather on about how serious a problem it is? You spew stupid, right wing talking points without ever taking a stand on the problem. We already know you see no reason to sacrifice anything to prevent school shootings, so I expect no rational response to the questions I am posing

ETA: both sides may be responsible, but only one side wants to cut income when they are underwater. I guess you believe people who are in debt should quit their jobs. That will sure help them pay it back

[tallguy]

Sept 17, 2024 6:03:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 15, 2024 8:43:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I am a registered independent. You are just do far right you have no idea what a “liberal” is. Again, how do you balance the budget? Fraud and waste won’t do it. Real numbers, real idea. Not the stupid nonsense you spew all the time. As for being nasty, just following the example of your hero, Trump

All we ever do is say oh we have a deficit we spend this we have of revenue of that. That is spewing nonsense. Look at what we spend not just the bottom line I mean all of it, into each budget see the waste all the little pork projects that everyone puts into their bills. Look at the revenue. Do this before raising personal income, and  corporate tax, where money can come from. After all that then see what a good tax rate would be. Now I understand that won't even touch the 35 trillion of debt but if you stop the deficit bleeding first. The deficit was 1.7 trillion last year that is unacceptable this is for both sides so don't say well Republicans have this both sides are guilty of this shit. 

Both sides ARE bad.  Republicans are WORSE.  Not only do they contribute just as much or more to the problem, they actively prevent us from fixing it.

[pulmonarymd]

The nonsense with fraud has been goin gon for over 40 years, since Reagan started it. Expecting fraud to close the budget deficit is the equivalent of expecting the change you find in your couch to pay your 100k credit card debt. Just ridiculous.

[tallguy]

Sept 17, 2024 10:33:50 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The nonsense with fraud has been goin gon for over 40 years, since Reagan started it. Expecting fraud to close the budget deficit is the equivalent of expecting the change you find in your couch to pay your 100k credit card debt. Just ridiculous.

Right-wing talking points work a lot better on emotional thinkers than they do on rational thinkers....

[scgal]

Sept 17, 2024 6:19:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 17, 2024 6:03:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

All we ever do is say oh we have a deficit we spend this we have of revenue of that. That is spewing nonsense. Look at what we spend not just the bottom line I mean all of it, into each budget see the waste all the little pork projects that everyone puts into their bills. Look at the revenue. Do this before raising personal income, and  corporate tax, where money can come from. After all that then see what a good tax rate would be. Now I understand that won't even touch the 35 trillion of debt but if you stop the deficit bleeding first. The deficit was 1.7 trillion last year that is unacceptable this is for both sides so don't say well Republicans have this both sides are guilty of this shit. 

More nonsense. Here are some facts for your fact challenged brain. Defense, SS, Medicare/Medicaid and interest on the debt make up 60% of the budget. Cutting ALL of the rest of the budget does not close the deficit. And you think we are overtaxed. So again, what is your solution? What are you willing to sacrifice to close the deficit since republicans blather on about how serious a problem it is? You spew stupid, right wing talking points without ever taking a stand on the problem. We already know you see no reason to sacrifice anything to prevent school shootings, so I expect no rational response to the questions I am posing

ETA: both sides may be responsible, but only one side wants to cut income when they are underwater. I guess you believe people who are in debt should quit their jobs. That will sure help them pay it back

No stupid would be listening to a Dr about economics and budgeting. Like most get your over inflated ego out of your butt just let the adults handle it. I don't claim to know it all and I'm not going to say hey this or that is what needs to be done that is full of ones self. I rather say hey start with looking at where there is shit and go from there. 

[scgal]

Sept 17, 2024 11:43:48 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 17, 2024 10:33:50 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The nonsense with fraud has been goin gon for over 40 years, since Reagan started it. Expecting fraud to close the budget deficit is the equivalent of expecting the change you find in your couch to pay your 100k credit card debt. Just ridiculous.

Right-wing talking points work a lot better on emotional thinkers than they do on rational thinkers....

maybe you two should get a room your slobbering all over each other

[tallguy]

Sept 21, 2024 15:53:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 17, 2024 11:43:48 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Right-wing talking points work a lot better on emotional thinkers than they do on rational thinkers....

maybe you two should get a room your slobbering all over each other

And you are incapable of even insulting someone with any degree of wit or intelligence, which renders you woefully unqualified to challenge me on anything.  

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 21, 2024 15:51:40 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 17, 2024 6:19:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

More nonsense. Here are some facts for your fact challenged brain. Defense, SS, Medicare/Medicaid and interest on the debt make up 60% of the budget. Cutting ALL of the rest of the budget does not close the deficit. And you think we are overtaxed. So again, what is your solution? What are you willing to sacrifice to close the deficit since republicans blather on about how serious a problem it is? You spew stupid, right wing talking points without ever taking a stand on the problem. We already know you see no reason to sacrifice anything to prevent school shootings, so I expect no rational response to the questions I am posing

ETA: both sides may be responsible, but only one side wants to cut income when they are underwater. I guess you believe people who are in debt should quit their jobs. That will sure help them pay it back

No stupid would be listening to a Dr about economics and budgeting. Like most get your over inflated ego out of your butt just let the adults handle it. I don't claim to know it all and I'm not going to say hey this or that is what needs to be done that is full of ones self. I rather say hey start with looking at where there is shit and go from there. 

Math is really hard. I have no expertise in economics, but this is a) simple math, and b) requires reading news outside of right wing propaganda. We spend more than we make. You, in your ultimate wisdom, think we are overtaxed. Again, 60% of the budget is SS, Medicare/Medicaid, defense, and interest is 60% of the budget. Cutting everything else DOES NOT CLOSE THE GAP. But your solution is to look for the equivalent of change in the couch cushions. But I am the one who doesn’t understand.

Your solution is the typical right wing bullshit. Cut taxes and look for “fraud and waste”. This has been their playbook for 40 years. The incompetence is breathtaking if this worked, but it doesn’t. But you are too ignorant to understand this.

[scgal]

Sept 21, 2024 22:40:39 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 21, 2024 15:51:40 GMT -5 scgal said:

No stupid would be listening to a Dr about economics and budgeting. Like most get your over inflated ego out of your butt just let the adults handle it. I don't claim to know it all and I'm not going to say hey this or that is what needs to be done that is full of ones self. I rather say hey start with looking at where there is shit and go from there. 

Math is really hard. I have no expertise in economics, but this is a) simple math, and b) requires reading news outside of right wing propaganda. We spend more than we make. You, in your ultimate wisdom, think we are overtaxed. Again, 60% of the budget is SS, Medicare/Medicaid, defense, and interest is 60% of the budget. Cutting everything else DOES NOT CLOSE THE GAP. But your solution is to look for the equivalent of change in the couch cushions. But I am the one who doesn’t understand.

Your solution is the typical right wing bullshit. Cut taxes and look for “fraud and waste”. This has been their playbook for 40 years. The incompetence is breathtaking if this worked, but it doesn’t. But you are too ignorant to understand this.

No your theory is simple to a complex problem. The difference is I am smart enough to know I don't have a solution only good place to start. There has only been a few administrations that did not add to the deficit. It is not a Republican issue or a Democrat issue if was just that simple either one would have positive results in their tenure. I'm not claiming fixing fraud and waste is going to fix the problem I don't know where you get that idea but not one more dollar of taxes until we eliminate the over expenditures. The pork projects that go into these bills are crazy the huge amounts we send to these countries is nuts.

[scgal]

Sept 21, 2024 16:06:24 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 21, 2024 15:53:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

maybe you two should get a room your slobbering all over each other

And you are incapable of even insulting someone with any degree of wit or intelligence, which renders you woefully unqualified to challenge me on anything.  

Uh oh watch out another inflated ego coming thru

[resolution]

Sept 22, 2024 5:34:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 21, 2024 22:40:39 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Math is really hard. I have no expertise in economics, but this is a) simple math, and b) requires reading news outside of right wing propaganda. We spend more than we make. You, in your ultimate wisdom, think we are overtaxed. Again, 60% of the budget is SS, Medicare/Medicaid, defense, and interest is 60% of the budget. Cutting everything else DOES NOT CLOSE THE GAP. But your solution is to look for the equivalent of change in the couch cushions. But I am the one who doesn’t understand.

Your solution is the typical right wing bullshit. Cut taxes and look for “fraud and waste”. This has been their playbook for 40 years. The incompetence is breathtaking if this worked, but it doesn’t. But you are too ignorant to understand this.

No your theory is simple to a complex problem. The difference is I am smart enough to know I don't have a solution only good place to start. There has only been a few administrations that did not add to the deficit. It is not a Republican issue or a Democrat issue if was just that simple either one would have positive results in their tenure. I'm not claiming fixing fraud and waste is going to fix the problem I don't know where you get that idea but not one more dollar of taxes until we eliminate the over expenditures. The pork projects that go into these bills are crazy the huge amounts we send to these countries is nuts.

Bill Clinton balanced the budget for his last four terms and started paying down the debt. All Bush had to do was not mess it up, but of course he cut taxes and sent us back into our deficit spiral.  www.pewresearch.org/politics/2011/05/11/bush-lost-battle-over-the-surplus-but-won-tax-cut-war/

[tallguy]

Sept 22, 2024 10:05:27 GMT -5 resolution said:

Sept 22, 2024 5:34:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

No your theory is simple to a complex problem. The difference is I am smart enough to know I don't have a solution only good place to start. There has only been a few administrations that did not add to the deficit. It is not a Republican issue or a Democrat issue if was just that simple either one would have positive results in their tenure. I'm not claiming fixing fraud and waste is going to fix the problem I don't know where you get that idea but not one more dollar of taxes until we eliminate the over expenditures. The pork projects that go into these bills are crazy the huge amounts we send to these countries is nuts.

Bill Clinton balanced the budget for his last four terms and started paying down the debt. All Bush had to do was not mess it up, but of course he cut taxes and sent us back into our deficit spiral.  www.pewresearch.org/politics/2011/05/11/bush-lost-battle-over-the-surplus-but-won-tax-cut-war/

Bush was an idiot.  Any responsible person would have understood that you need to let the projected surpluses actually materialize before giving all the extra money away.  We could legitimately have been out entirely from the debt morass, but instead we were worse off than ever.  Reagan started it, Bush continued it, and Trump locked it into place.  All three should have been impeached, removed, and executed just for their tax policies.  

[TheOtherMe]

I was taugh in high school economics that you can't have butter and war without raising taxes if you want a balanced budget.  

ETA:  it was guns and butter

[tallguy]

Sept 22, 2024 10:47:50 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

I was taugh in high school economics that you can't have butter and war without raising taxes if you want a balanced budget.  

Republicans don't really want a balanced budget.  They want to be able to crow about deficits during election years, while completely blowing up the debt when they are in power.

[scgal]

Sept 22, 2024 10:43:25 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 22, 2024 10:05:27 GMT -5 resolution said:

Bill Clinton balanced the budget for his last four terms and started paying down the debt. All Bush had to do was not mess it up, but of course he cut taxes and sent us back into our deficit spiral.  www.pewresearch.org/politics/2011/05/11/bush-lost-battle-over-the-surplus-but-won-tax-cut-war/

Bush was an idiot.  Any responsible person would have understood that you need to let the projected surpluses actually materialize before giving all the extra money away.  We could legitimately have been out entirely from the debt morass, but instead we were worse off than ever.  Reagan started it, Bush continued it, and Trump locked it into place.  All three should have been impeached, removed, and executed just for their tax policies.  

Bush was an idiot. I noticed how you skipped over your lil buddy Obama he had a deficit also you should have included him on the lynching. Don't forget before Regan Carter was driving up the deficit. You will make excuses against Reagan and for Obama but they all are guilty

[tallguy]

There are only two times when deficit spending is appropriate.  One is during recession, when consumers either cannot or will not do the spending necessary to rescue the economy.  Government can and should step in to stabilize things and help the return to normalcy.  The second is during wartime.  The vast majority of people would rather avoid getting into a war, but if you are going to do it, you damn well better win.  Deficit spending during a time of peace and prosperity is unconscionable, and should result in the voting out of every person responsible for it.  

[tallguy]

Sept 22, 2024 11:33:10 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 22, 2024 10:43:25 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Bush was an idiot.  Any responsible person would have understood that you need to let the projected surpluses actually materialize before giving all the extra money away.  We could legitimately have been out entirely from the debt morass, but instead we were worse off than ever.  Reagan started it, Bush continued it, and Trump locked it into place.  All three should have been impeached, removed, and executed just for their tax policies.  

Bush was an idiot. I noticed how you skipped over your lil buddy Obama he had a deficit also you should have included him on the lynching. Don't forget before Regan Carter was driving up the deficit. You will make excuses against Reagan and for Obama but they all are guilty

Context matters.  Much of Obama's debt was trying to recover from the Great Recession caused by Bush and his / the GOP's policies.  He was also prevented by Republicans from raising taxes which would have helped.  The Carter years were actually better than most people think.  Regardless, the deficits under Carter were dwarfed by those under Reagan.  Our downfall began with Reagan.  Deficit-to-GDP under Carter topped out well under 3%.  Reagan was over that every year, and often doubled it.

[scgal]

Sept 22, 2024 11:53:41 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 22, 2024 11:33:10 GMT -5 scgal said:

Bush was an idiot. I noticed how you skipped over your lil buddy Obama he had a deficit also you should have included him on the lynching. Don't forget before Regan Carter was driving up the deficit. You will make excuses against Reagan and for Obama but they all are guilty

Context matters.  Much of Obama's debt was trying to recover from the Great Recession caused by Bush and his / the GOP's policies.  He was also prevented by Republicans from raising taxes which would have helped.  The Carter years were actually better than most people think.  Regardless, the deficits under Carter were dwarfed by those under Reagan.  Our downfall began with Reagan.  Deficit-to-GDP under Carter topped out well under 3%.  Reagan was over that every year, and often doubled it.

Very typical Democrat. We are not bad because you are worse lol. That is why this country is so screewed up. Obama was a failure with the budget just like the rest. 

[tallguy]

Sept 23, 2024 6:43:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 22, 2024 11:53:41 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Context matters.  Much of Obama's debt was trying to recover from the Great Recession caused by Bush and his / the GOP's policies.  He was also prevented by Republicans from raising taxes which would have helped.  The Carter years were actually better than most people think.  Regardless, the deficits under Carter were dwarfed by those under Reagan.  Our downfall began with Reagan.  Deficit-to-GDP under Carter topped out well under 3%.  Reagan was over that every year, and often doubled it.

Very typical Democrat. We are not bad because you are worse lol. That is why this country is so screewed up. Obama was a failure with the budget just like the rest. 

It was already quite apparent that your reading comprehension was on the same level as your logic skills.  You didn't really need to confirm it.  I have always been very clear on this issue over the years.  Both sides ARE bad.  Republicans are worse.  That is simple fact, demonstrated in many ways.  I even said that exact thing in this very thread.  You trying to mischaracterize it is an indictment of you and your failing, not of me.

And for the record, I am not a Democrat.  I am an independent.  I agree with either side when they are right, and criticize either side when they are wrong.  The biggest problem is that with what the Republican Party has turned into, they are almost never right any more.  I wish they were, or could be.  We do best with two legitimate opposing parties who both have the best interest of the country at heart.  We do not have that now.  Republican Party leaders do not give a f*** about the best interests of the country or its people.  That is on them, and on the people who still support them.  I wish all of those people remembered this part of what they almost certainly never actually read....

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye".

   

[scgal]

Sept 23, 2024 12:21:27 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 23, 2024 6:43:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

Very typical Democrat. We are not bad because you are worse lol. That is why this country is so screewed up. Obama was a failure with the budget just like the rest. 

It was already quite apparent that your reading comprehension was on the same level as your logic skills.  You didn't really need to confirm it.  I have always been very clear on this issue over the years.  Both sides ARE bad.  Republicans are worse.  That is simple fact, demonstrated in many ways.  I even said that exact thing in this very thread.  You trying to mischaracterize it is an indictment of you and your failing, not of me.

And for the record, I am not a Democrat.  I am an independent.  I agree with either side when they are right, and criticize either side when they are wrong.  The biggest problem is that with what the Republican Party has turned into, they are almost never right any more.  I wish they were, or could be.  We do best with two legitimate opposing parties who both have the best interest of the country at heart.  We do not have that now.  Republican Party leaders do not give a f*** about the best interests of the country or its people.  That is on them, and on the people who still support them.  I wish all of those people remembered this part of what they almost certainly never actually read....

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye".

   

OMG you clearly omitted Obama then tried to give an excuse for him. Whatever you are far from an independent. More like a democrat windbag. It's all good

[tallguy]

Sept 23, 2024 13:00:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 23, 2024 12:21:27 GMT -5 tallguy said:

It was already quite apparent that your reading comprehension was on the same level as your logic skills.  You didn't really need to confirm it.  I have always been very clear on this issue over the years.  Both sides ARE bad.  Republicans are worse.  That is simple fact, demonstrated in many ways.  I even said that exact thing in this very thread.  You trying to mischaracterize it is an indictment of you and your failing, not of me.

And for the record, I am not a Democrat.  I am an independent.  I agree with either side when they are right, and criticize either side when they are wrong.  The biggest problem is that with what the Republican Party has turned into, they are almost never right any more.  I wish they were, or could be.  We do best with two legitimate opposing parties who both have the best interest of the country at heart.  We do not have that now.  Republican Party leaders do not give a f*** about the best interests of the country or its people.  That is on them, and on the people who still support them.  I wish all of those people remembered this part of what they almost certainly never actually read....

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye".

   

OMG you clearly omitted Obama then tried to give an excuse for him. Whatever you are far from an independent. More like a democrat windbag. It's all good

Yeah, you're apparently not familiar with that passage either.  Pity.

I omit Obama from the list of those who are ACTUALLY and PRIMARILY responsible for CAUSING the problem.  Obama is not in that group of three.  He was hamstrung by several factors.  I would list them, but you are not capable of understanding anyway.  Again, a pity. 

[scgal]

Sept 23, 2024 13:36:09 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 23, 2024 13:00:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

OMG you clearly omitted Obama then tried to give an excuse for him. Whatever you are far from an independent. More like a democrat windbag. It's all good

Yeah, you're apparently not familiar with that passage either.  Pity.

I omit Obama from the list of those who are ACTUALLY and PRIMARILY responsible for CAUSING the problem.  Obama is not in that group of three.  He was hamstrung by several factors.  I would list them, but you are not capable of understanding anyway.  Again, a pity. 

you say several factors I say excuses. 

[tallguy]

Sept 23, 2024 15:11:10 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 23, 2024 13:36:09 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Yeah, you're apparently not familiar with that passage either.  Pity.

I omit Obama from the list of those who are ACTUALLY and PRIMARILY responsible for CAUSING the problem.  Obama is not in that group of three.  He was hamstrung by several factors.  I would list them, but you are not capable of understanding anyway.  Again, a pity. 

you say several factors I say excuses. 

Of course you do.  You're not really good with definitions either....

[scgal]

Sept 23, 2024 15:14:25 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 23, 2024 15:11:10 GMT -5 scgal said:

you say several factors I say excuses. 

Of course you do.  You're not really good with definitions either....

Oh darlin overcompensating much. 

[happyhoix]

Sept 22, 2024 11:06:06 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 22, 2024 10:47:50 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

I was taugh in high school economics that you can't have butter and war without raising taxes if you want a balanced budget.  

Republicans don't really want a balanced budget.  They want to be able to crow about deficits during election years, while completely blowing up the debt when they are in power.

They want to attack the debt when they aren’t in power, and when they get into power they change their focus onto tax cuts for big businesses and the wealthy, claiming it’s due to the ‘trickle down’ effect, which has been proven to be pure bullshit.

They just want to tax the middle class while making the ten percent that much richer.

[Pink Cashmere]

Sept 22, 2024 10:05:27 GMT -5 resolution said:

Sept 22, 2024 5:34:53 GMT -5 scgal said:

No your theory is simple to a complex problem. The difference is I am smart enough to know I don't have a solution only good place to start. There has only been a few administrations that did not add to the deficit. It is not a Republican issue or a Democrat issue if was just that simple either one would have positive results in their tenure. I'm not claiming fixing fraud and waste is going to fix the problem I don't know where you get that idea but not one more dollar of taxes until we eliminate the over expenditures. The pork projects that go into these bills are crazy the huge amounts we send to these countries is nuts.

Bill Clinton balanced the budget for his last four terms and started paying down the debt. All Bush had to do was not mess it up, but of course he cut taxes and sent us back into our deficit spiral.  www.pewresearch.org/politics/2011/05/11/bush-lost-battle-over-the-surplus-but-won-tax-cut-war/

That is what I thought, with my limited knowledge of this kind of thing. I kind of paid attention to some things to do with politics once I was old enough to vote, mostly because my Grandmother was so adamant about voting, and I didn’t want to get in trouble with her when she asked if I’d voted. She never once tried to tell me who to vote for, she just insisted that I vote. She use to tell us “you aren’t a citizen if you don’t even register to vote, and vote”. I understand why that was so important to her, so I did what she told me to do and started voting when I was old enough, out of respect for her (and not wanting her to fuss at me), moreso than me really understanding politics and why my vote mattered even when it didn’t really matter.

Anyway, I was a young adult when Clinton was elected President, and he was the first President that I paid at least a little attention to. I remember reading about the things in the post I quoted, and I remember thinking that he was a decent President even after it was revealed that he was a not so good husband, after the shit with Ms. Lewinsky came out. I did not approve of any of that, at all. Despite that scandal, which I am not trying downplay, I felt like overall, he did at least 2 things for our nation and its citizens, one being balancing the national budget, and the other being that FMLA became a thing and law, while he was President.