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[tallguy]

Sept 10, 2024 5:30:07 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 9, 2024 12:39:55 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Yes it does.  We have the "tax-and-spend" Democrats and the "borrow-and-spend" Republicans.  The operative part is, of course, "and-spend."  There are two main differences though.  First, Democrats are more honest about it because they at least attempt to pay for part of their spending through tax increases.  Republicans refuse, and will continually increase deficits and the debt to pay for theirs.  Myself being an actual fiscal conservative instead of the hypocritical politicians claiming to be such, I have long been convinced that the debt will be what ultimately destroys this country, and Republicans are lining up to do it.  Second, most Democratic spending is intended to help people who actually need help.  Most Republican spending is meant to help people who don't.  If societal stability is at all a goal, I know which one promotes that.  

There is no difference the outcome is the same. This is the only time I will say the republicans are just as at fault at the Democrats You can say all you want about how this spending is better than that spending fine whatever I also feel that if you are going to tax people to death then their quality of life goes down. You know working to death to pay for someone or something else that would not affect them. The societal kum by ya stuff is all good and crap but in the end the person working who is trying to put the food on the table for their family is the one who is getting taxed to death. Don't start with the corporate tax I just lost a long standing job due to corporate tax in America. 

That is ludicrous.  It is like saying that whether the police officer kills the fleeing suspect or the suspect kills the police officer, the outcome is the same because somebody is still dead.  While it may be equivalent in a way, there is certainly a difference.  And I have no interest in someone's idea of "societal kumbaya stuff" whatever that is supposed to mean.  I was referring to stability in the sense of, "Not sparking a revolution." 

[Opti]

Sept 10, 2024 5:30:07 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 9, 2024 12:39:55 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Yes it does.  We have the "tax-and-spend" Democrats and the "borrow-and-spend" Republicans.  The operative part is, of course, "and-spend."  There are two main differences though.  First, Democrats are more honest about it because they at least attempt to pay for part of their spending through tax increases.  Republicans refuse, and will continually increase deficits and the debt to pay for theirs.  Myself being an actual fiscal conservative instead of the hypocritical politicians claiming to be such, I have long been convinced that the debt will be what ultimately destroys this country, and Republicans are lining up to do it.  Second, most Democratic spending is intended to help people who actually need help.  Most Republican spending is meant to help people who don't.  If societal stability is at all a goal, I know which one promotes that.  

There is no difference the outcome is the same. This is the only time I will say the republicans are just as at fault at the Democrats You can say all you want about how this spending is better than that spending fine whatever I also feel that if you are going to tax people to death then their quality of life goes down. You know working to death to pay for someone or something else that would not affect them. The societal kum by ya stuff is all good and crap but in the end the person working who is trying to put the food on the table for their family is the one who is getting taxed to death. Don't start with the corporate tax I just lost a long standing job due to corporate tax in America. 

That person though isn't you. People who do not qualify for food stamps yet are below median income IMO are those people generally. There are more of them than there are rich folks. They support the rest of the pyramid by their labor. Yet too many folks above them feel like they are suffering in part because they have never lived places that tax more than the US. If you have all the guns and gear I think you have, you are far from being taxed to death. Maybe watching FOX etc. has given you an unrealistic view of life.

[pulmonarymd]

I would like to know what percentage of their income these people who are " taxed to death" think is fair. And I bet scgal claimed unemployment benefits, but that isn't welfare because she deserves them.

[imawino]

Sept 10, 2024 5:30:07 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 9, 2024 12:39:55 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Yes it does.  We have the "tax-and-spend" Democrats and the "borrow-and-spend" Republicans.  The operative part is, of course, "and-spend."  There are two main differences though.  First, Democrats are more honest about it because they at least attempt to pay for part of their spending through tax increases.  Republicans refuse, and will continually increase deficits and the debt to pay for theirs.  Myself being an actual fiscal conservative instead of the hypocritical politicians claiming to be such, I have long been convinced that the debt will be what ultimately destroys this country, and Republicans are lining up to do it.  Second, most Democratic spending is intended to help people who actually need help.  Most Republican spending is meant to help people who don't.  If societal stability is at all a goal, I know which one promotes that.  

There is no difference the outcome is the same. This is the only time I will say the republicans are just as at fault at the Democrats You can say all you want about how this spending is better than that spending fine whatever I also feel that if you are going to tax people to death then their quality of life goes down. You know working to death to pay for someone or something else that would not affect them. The societal kum by ya stuff is all good and crap but in the end the person working who is trying to put the food on the table for their family is the one who is getting taxed to death. Don't start with the corporate tax I just lost a long standing job due to corporate tax in America. 

Good lord Henny Penny, calm the f down.

No one is getting "taxed to death". 

I suspect there are some people in this world getting "worked to death" and none of them are on this message board, nor are any of us on this message board likely to know any of those people.

And I don't know you so I guess there is some tiny, microscopic, miniscule, infinitesimal chance you lost a job due to corporate tax but it is approximately a billion times likelier that you lost it for entirely different reasons.  Like performance or corporate greed.

[imawino]

All this right wing fear mongering has made people lose their damn minds.  Like if your marginal tax rate went up a percent your entire quality of life is drastically reduced?  And if corporations have to pay a reasonable tax and maybe can't report record breaking profits every single year for eternity we'll all lose our jobs?  When did people become so gullible?  And chronically outraged?

[Opti]

Sept 10, 2024 13:39:45 GMT -5 imawino said:

Sept 10, 2024 5:30:07 GMT -5 scgal said:

There is no difference the outcome is the same. This is the only time I will say the republicans are just as at fault at the Democrats You can say all you want about how this spending is better than that spending fine whatever I also feel that if you are going to tax people to death then their quality of life goes down. You know working to death to pay for someone or something else that would not affect them. The societal kum by ya stuff is all good and crap but in the end the person working who is trying to put the food on the table for their family is the one who is getting taxed to death. Don't start with the corporate tax I just lost a long standing job due to corporate tax in America. 

Good lord Henny Penny, calm the f down.

No one is getting "taxed to death". 

I suspect there are some people in this world getting "worked to death" and none of them are on this message board, nor are any of us on this message board likely to know any of those people.

And I don't know you so I guess there is some tiny, microscopic, miniscule, infinitesimal chance you lost a job due to corporate tax but it is approximately a billion times likelier that you lost it for entirely different reasons.  Like performance or corporate greed.

Both Florida and Texas put laws in place, so outside ag workers do not have to have water breaks or shade.     I am so sad that states in the US are trying to treat workers like they do in Africa and parts of south America like Columbia where workers in these conditions die from kidney failure and other things that should not happen to men in their twenties and early thirties.

Back to the regular topic.

[Opti]

Sept 10, 2024 13:44:28 GMT -5 imawino said:

All this right wing fear mongering has made people lose their damn minds.  Like if your marginal tax rate went up a percent your entire quality of life is drastically reduced?  And if corporations have to pay a reasonable tax and maybe can't report record breaking profits every single year for eternity we'll all lose our jobs?  When did people become so gullible?  And chronically outraged?

FOX for one has been sowing seeds of discord for profit before Trump even ran. I guess that's how they sell all the prepper stuff including gold bars. Still doesn't explain Tucker's red light for men ... but I suppose it isn't much different than all the supplements Rush and others have hawked over the years. 

I do not get the attraction of tuning in just to get upset about the whining point of the day. Recently I realized much of the "money advice" I had been reading is based on conservative beliefs and can be totally wrong if they worry about the wrong things. 

[scgal]

Sept 10, 2024 13:39:45 GMT -5 imawino said:

Sept 10, 2024 5:30:07 GMT -5 scgal said:

There is no difference the outcome is the same. This is the only time I will say the republicans are just as at fault at the Democrats You can say all you want about how this spending is better than that spending fine whatever I also feel that if you are going to tax people to death then their quality of life goes down. You know working to death to pay for someone or something else that would not affect them. The societal kum by ya stuff is all good and crap but in the end the person working who is trying to put the food on the table for their family is the one who is getting taxed to death. Don't start with the corporate tax I just lost a long standing job due to corporate tax in America. 

Good lord Henny Penny, calm the f down.

No one is getting "taxed to death". 

I suspect there are some people in this world getting "worked to death" and none of them are on this message board, nor are any of us on this message board likely to know any of those people.

And I don't know you so I guess there is some tiny, microscopic, miniscule, infinitesimal chance you lost a job due to corporate tax but it is approximately a billion times likelier that you lost it for entirely different reasons.  Like performance or corporate greed.

Well it wasn't performance the whole place moved to Mexico. I seen a spreadsheet that I wasn't meant to see. It shown the lower labor rate and tax saving they could recoup the cost of moving in 4 years. The savings on tax was close to 80% I don't know how they figured that in there wasn't a formula. So it was some corporate greed. If anyone don't think we are taxed to death in this country is fucking idiot

[scgal]

Sept 10, 2024 11:44:40 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I would like to know what percentage of their income these people who are " taxed to death" think is fair. And I bet scgal claimed unemployment benefits, but that isn't welfare because she deserves them.

Basically everyone who doesn't have to pay taxes. I do deserve the right to claim benefits but I won't I have enough to retire and stay home. You know what I think I will claim I'll increase my monthly donation to battered women. 

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 11, 2024 16:55:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 10, 2024 11:44:40 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I would like to know what percentage of their income these people who are " taxed to death" think is fair. And I bet scgal claimed unemployment benefits, but that isn't welfare because she deserves them.

Basically everyone who doesn't have to pay taxes. I do deserve the right to claim benefits but I won't I have enough to retire and stay home. You know what I think I will claim I'll increase my monthly donation to battered women. 

Why do you deserve them though? It is because someone pays taxes. So what is the “right” tax rate? You didn’t answer that. And the reason you lost your job is corporate greed. Nothing to do with taxes. They would cut costs even if they didn’t pay taxes, because they want to maximize profits. It is that simple. You cost them too much

[scgal]

Sept 11, 2024 17:54:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 11, 2024 16:55:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

Basically everyone who doesn't have to pay taxes. I do deserve the right to claim benefits but I won't I have enough to retire and stay home. You know what I think I will claim I'll increase my monthly donation to battered women. 

Why do you deserve them though? It is because someone pays taxes. So what is the “right” tax rate? You didn’t answer that. And the reason you lost your job is corporate greed. Nothing to do with taxes. They would cut costs even if they didn’t pay taxes, because they want to maximize profits. It is that simple. You cost them too much

Well as usual you are wrong again. There was a paragraph from a SVP stating that the difference in tax is the deciding factor. Yes it is all corporate greed but that was the deciding factor. Instead of deserve them I should have said qualify for them. The correct tax rate how about a flat tax I do know it shouldn't be anywhere near 20% . You shouldn't have to give 1/5 of your income over to the govt so they can throw it away on bullshit

[pulmonarymd]

The average tax rate in the US is 15%. It is lower for lower income people, and higher as you make more. So no one is paying 1/5 of their income in federal taxes.

Corporate greed is corporate greed. Taxes just provide a convenient excuse for gullible people like yourself to sop up and give you someone else to blame. Nothing but corporate propaganda. They wanted to make more money, pure and simple, and cutting costs by moving provided the perfect opportunity. You just got caught in the crossfire. You just experienced capitalism at its best. And you actually believe their corporate spin? And you expect us to think you are intelligent

[jerseygirl]

I worked with 2 US companies that were bought by Irish companies. Difference in tax rates (35% in US at the time vs about 12% Ireland) was about the R&D budget.
Corporations must be competitive to exist that’s not corporate greed. Without a good economy that includes profits from companies and people there’s not enough money for social causes and defense.

Prior to the 2017 tax reform the US corporate rate was about 35% then lowered to 21%
Corporate tax rate is about 21% in the EU

tradingeconomics.com/european-union/corporate-tax-rate

Rate in Ireland is about 12%

taxfoundation.org/location/ireland/

Why does decreasing corporate competitiveness equal ‘greed’?



Who is gullible?

[pulmonarymd]

Sure, all kinds of people know tax laws better than you and I. Plenty of corporations pay next y to o nothing in taxes. But sure I am the gullible one.

Capitalism is meant to maximize profits. It is why it needs to be regulated. It also is why corporations need to pay taxes to support infrastructure and the negative environmental consequences. Or do you think that private citizens should pay for all those externalities

[TheOtherMe]

I have had friends who got laid off when the "earnings" of the company they worked for were down.  So round after round of layoffs.  But the same year the CEO got the highest bonus ever paid out by the company.  So where is the greed?

[Opti]

Sept 13, 2024 9:02:58 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

I worked with 2 US companies that were bought by Irish companies. Difference in tax rates (35% in US at the time vs about 12% Ireland) was about the R& budget.
Corporations must be competitive to exist that’s not corporate greed. Without a good economy that includes profits from companies and people there’s not enough money for social causes and defense.

Prior to the 2017 tax reform the US corporate rate was about 35% then lowered to 21%
Corporate tax rate is about 21% in the EU

tradingeconomics.com/european-union/corporate-tax-rate

Rate in Ireland is about 12%

taxfoundation.org/location/ireland/

Why does decreasing corporate competitiveness equal ‘greed’?



Who is gullible?

Ireland? Corporations go to low-cost countries, and they bail if things get bad enough. 


The distortion of Irish economic data by US multinational tax schemes was a key contributor to the build-up of leverage in the Celtic Tiger, amplifying both Irish consumer optimism (who borrowed to 190% of disposable income, OECD highest), and global capital markets optimism about Ireland (enabled Irish banks to lend over 180% of deposit base, OECD highest).[57] Global capital markets, who ignored Ireland's private sector credit, and OECD/IMF warnings, when Irish GDP was rising during the Celtic Tiger, took fright in the financial crisis. Their withdrawal precipitated a deep Irish property correction, which led to a crisis in the Irish banking system.[50][58]

Given the importance of US multinationals to Ireland's economy (80% of Irish multinational employment, and 14 of the 20 largest Irish firms[61][62]), the passing of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 is a challenge to Ireland.[63][64] Parts of the US TCJA are targeted at Irish multinational tax schemes, especially the move to a modern "territorial tax" system,[65][66]

The stabilisation of the Irish credit bubble required a large transfer of debt from the private sector balance sheet (highest OECD leverage), to the public sector balance sheet (almost unleveraged, pre-crisis), via Irish bank bailouts and public deficit spending.[74][75] The transfer of this debt means that Ireland, in 2017, had one of the highest levels of both public sector indebtedness, and private sector indebtedness, in the EU-28/OECD.[52][53][76][77][78][79]

[jerseygirl]

Ireland is doing well now after the rough patch. And still has a low corporate rate

www.heritage.org/index/pages/country-pages/ireland

And to respond to another poster, of course corporations should bear taxes along with individuals. Question is how much? ?
Too high and defeats purpose cause this decreases economic growth
Too low and country must depend more on individual taxes
Also need to compare to rest of developed world

[Opti]

Sept 13, 2024 12:54:38 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Ireland is doing well now after the rough patch. And still has a low corporate rate

www.heritage.org/index/pages/country-pages/ireland

And to respond to another poster, of course corporations should bear taxes along with individuals. Question is how much? ?
Too high and defeats purpose cause this decreases economic growth
Too low and country must depend more on individual taxes
Also need to compare to rest of developed world

I don't like heritage.org because they tend to be a misinformation arm of the RW media, painting pictures they want you to believe instead of RL. The GDP of Ireland is so heavy with foreign corporations that they created a GNI, Gross National Income to account for the impact. Looks like foreign firms may have done some serious outsourcing to Ireland in 2021 and 2022 during the pandemic.

www.statista.com/statistics/1457009/ireland-gdp-and-gni/

www.statista.com/topics/10500/irish-economy/#topicOverview

Among European countries Ireland was the thirteenth-biggest economy in 2022, slightly bigger than Austria but smaller than Belgium. Ireland's strong economic performance in recent years is partly due to its attractive business climate, with one of the lowest corporation tax rates in Europe, and a well-educated, English speaking population that is part of the European Single Market. The high number of multinational corporations in Ireland does, however, inflate the size of the Irish economy substantially. Due to this, a modified Gross National Income indicator is produced which put the value of the Irish economy at 273 billion euros in 2022.

[jerseygirl]

As you posted opti, Ireland is doing very well for such a small country. My Irish cousins have a good life
Why your opinion on heritage? Both their info and your post indicate Ireland is doing well
I had no idea that heritage. Org is unreliable or biased

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 13, 2024 12:54:38 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Ireland is doing well now after the rough patch. And still has a low corporate rate

www.heritage.org/index/pages/country-pages/ireland

And to respond to another poster, of course corporations should bear taxes along with individuals. Question is how much? ?
Too high and defeats purpose cause this decreases economic growth
Too low and country must depend more on individual taxes
Also need to compare to rest of developed world

So the question is, where should the burden of taxes lie, with the corporations or the individual. You want to pay more taxes? Corporations have not shared profits with workers since their salaries have not kept pace with inflation, but ceo pay has skyrocketed.

[TheOtherMe]

The Heritage Foundation operates the website being quoted by jerseygirl.

It's a right wing think tank that authored Project 2025.  I believe nothing it says.

[jerseygirl]

Sept 13, 2024 15:46:16 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

The Heritage Foundation operates the website being quoted by jerseygirl.

It's a right wing think tank that authored Project 2025.  I believe nothing it says.

Didn’t know that, it was just a source I found that described Irish economy. Opti posted from elsewhere and this also showed Irish economy is good

[jerseygirl]

Interesting, Boeing employees out on strike. Boeing is having a tough time with their products. Boeing has about150000 employees. The new CEO makes $22 million! Enormous salary compared to employees but probably in line with other big corps.

If the CEO salary was given completely to employees, each would get about$147
The former CEO and his management did a miserable job. Hopefully the new CEO will be better and worth his salary

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 13, 2024 16:00:42 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Interesting, Boeing employees out on strike. Boeing is having a tough time with their products. Boeing has about150000 employees. The new CEO makes $22 million! Enormous salary compared to employees but probably in line with other big corps.

If the CEO salary was given completely to employees, each would get about$147
The former CEO and his management did a miserable job. Hopefully the new CEO will be better and worth his salary

How much did they pay the old ceo to go away. Usually they get a great severance package. How may times the average salary is the cro making? How many times was it back 50 years ago. Bet employees would be making a whole lot more than $147 more if the ratio remained the ssme

[imawino]

Sept 13, 2024 9:02:58 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

I worked with 2 US companies that were bought by Irish companies. Difference in tax rates (35% in US at the time vs about 12% Ireland) was about the R& budget.
Corporations must be competitive to exist that’s not corporate greed. Without a good economy that includes profits from companies and people there’s not enough money for social causes and defense.

Prior to the 2017 tax reform the US corporate rate was about 35% then lowered to 21%
Corporate tax rate is about 21% in the EU

tradingeconomics.com/european-union/corporate-tax-rate

Rate in Ireland is about 12%

taxfoundation.org/location/ireland/

Why does decreasing corporate competitiveness equal ‘greed’?



Who is gullible?

That's extremely disingenuous.  35% is not "the tax rate", it is "the highest possible rate".  That in no way means it is what companies pay.  

According to a quick google - Google's effective tax rate for 2019-2023 averages about 15%.  Apples effective tax rate for 2023 was 15.1%.  Cisco's was 15.65%  Amazon averaged 17% 2019-2023.  None of those are wildly divergent from the 12% you tout for Ireland

Exxon was the highest I could find (granted I didn't spend much time on it) at 29%   Given that they had revenues of over 344 billion and profit of 36 billion in 2023, I don't think they suffered too badly.


By the way - the EU just ruled that Apple owes Ireland over 14 billion in back taxes.  Corporations crush on having operations in Ireland may begin to sour.    www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/top-eu-court-rules-apple-owes-ireland-over-14b-in-back-taxes/

[Tiny]

Aug 31, 2024 10:09:25 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Put emphasis on growing the economy instead of hindering the economy
Examples are many - Apple, Microsoft , Tesla etc are bringing in huge amounts of tax revenues while bringing high paying jobs to many who also pay more taxes than those in lower paying jobs
Interesting election cycle - what policies will grow or inhibit economy ? Increased tax revenues will help Medicare etc
No politicians will ‘touch’ Medicare even though everyone knows it’s in big financial trouble on a relatively few years 

How are those companies bringing huge amounts of tax revenues?   

As a consumer I have to pay for their products which may incurr a sales tax.  
If I go to a w2 job at one of those companies (or any other) I have to pay payroll taxes on my income:  Federal Income tax, Social Security tax (which ultimately benefits me), Medicare tax (which ultimately benefits me), and State Income Tax.   
Federal income Tax and State Income taxes do benefit me in tangible and intangible ways.   (although I am really starting to hate that some of my Federal income tax goes to States like Florida (which gets more back than it pays in)) 

My employer matches the payment for the SS tax.   I'll be honest I'm not sure about what other payroll taxes my employer pays. 
I assume my employer pays some sort of "income tax" on the profit it makes.   I also assume my employer does anything and everything legally possible to pay as little tax as possible on it's profit.  

As I am single and have a high paying job - I do everything legally possible to manage the amount of taxes that I pay.  

Somehow I doubt that big companies are "bringing in huge amounts of tax revenues"  at the current level of taxation.   Even if they earn more profit, I have a feeling the amount of tax on that additional profit doesn't amount to very much.     
 
I found this: 
The average small business owner pays 19.8% to 20% of their business's gross income per tax year, sole proprietorships and partnerships pay 20% to 30%, and S corporations usually pay 15% to 25%. However, this figure can vary widely depending on the type of company in question.

Let's go with 20% just for fun.   Do you really think Apple is paying 20% of their gross income in taxes to the Federal Government    1 billion in gross income might mean a 200,000,000 million tax bill.   
If Big Business is generating that kind of tax revenue per BILLION - why do we even have a deficit??  Why does anyone have to pay for an education?  Why don't we have national health care?? 

(FYI:  I work for an employer with a 5 billion dollar gross income last year.  in a City with potentially hundreds of employers in the 1 billion dollar range)   

Maybe I'm doing "Bad Math".   I am math challenged. 
 

[movingforward]

Sept 13, 2024 7:17:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 11, 2024 17:54:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Why do you deserve them though? It is because someone pays taxes. So what is the “right” tax rate? You didn’t answer that. And the reason you lost your job is corporate greed. Nothing to do with taxes. They would cut costs even if they didn’t pay taxes, because they want to maximize profits. It is that simple. You cost them too much

Well as usual you are wrong again. There was a paragraph from a SVP stating that the difference in tax is the deciding factor. Yes it is all corporate greed but that was the deciding factor. Instead of deserve them I should have said qualify for them. The correct tax rate how about a flat tax I do know it shouldn't be anywhere near 20% . You shouldn't have to give 1/5 of your income over to the govt so they can throw it away on bullshit

You do realize that when corporations do not pay taxes that citizens make up the difference, right? All those corporate tax beaks here in TX come with a price, which typically means an increase in property and sales taxes. I will agree that a lot of money gets thrown away on bullshit. Here in TX we have gone into extended sessions that have cost the tax payers a huge amount over stupid bullshit like who is allowed to take a piss in which bathroom, and let's not forget the huge amount of money the state has spent to bus immigrants to other states so that our governor can get his 5 minutes of fame in the news. We all have to deal with money going to things that we consider to be absolute bullshit.

I actually believe everyone should have some skin the game. Loopholes need to be closed on both ends IMHO.

[jerseygirl]

Tiny companies don’t pay on gross profits. Business expenses are deducted so taxed on net profits

[Tiny]

Sept 13, 2024 17:51:18 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Tiny companies don’t pay on gross profits. Business expenses are deducted so taxed on net profits.

Ah. my bad math.

Which kind of still points out that Businesses have legal ways to manipulate the amount they are required to pay taxes on. And pay as little tax as is possible.

[scgal]

Sept 13, 2024 7:29:59 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The average tax rate in the US is 15%. It is lower for lower income people, and higher as you make more. So no one is paying 1/5 of their income in federal taxes.

Corporate greed is corporate greed. Taxes just provide a convenient excuse for gullible people like yourself to sop up and give you someone else to blame. Nothing but corporate propaganda. They wanted to make more money, pure and simple, and cutting costs by moving provided the perfect opportunity. You just got caught in the crossfire. You just experienced capitalism at its best. And you actually believe their corporate spin? And you expect us to think you are intelligent

you are correct with avg. I do pay 20% on anything over the 61k or so to about 100k as a Dr. with a higher salary you do to and much more so take away the avg the tax amt is crazy high. Then incorporate sales tax, property tax, hotel has their own I just love that shit. We are taxed to death.

I said it was corporate greed all the way, but it would not have happened if the lower tax opportunity wasn't there. The numbers just would not have worked out. We should want business to thrive in this country not look to leave but with policies that the left put into place they will leave. I may just have been a victim of capitalism (which I believe in) driven by high taxes. There is no way around this