BIden stumbles up stairs versus Biden goes to thank pilots

[billisonboard]

Aug 10, 2024 9:44:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 10, 2024 7:28:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I understand the system. The ability of the people to alter the system (Constitution) is a part of the system (Constitution).

I agree with that it is within the power to get it done. I don't think it should be done. Nor do I think it will be done thankfully

Agreed it won't happen. No way will lesser populated state legislatures vote to give up the extra power it gives to their individual residents.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 10, 2024 6:45:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 10, 2024 6:39:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Still no answer why one person’s vote should matter more than another’s

You really don't understand the system do you? Is it in the Constitution?

I understand it perfectly well. You seem incapable of complex thought. Your answer is because it is the way it is, and you like it, so we should keep re p it the way it is.

I didn’t ask you about the system. I asked why 1 persons vote should be worth more than another’s. That is what is happening in our current system. Small states have disproportionate power in electing the president under our current system. Why is that fair? They are states that get more back than they pay into the pot. Changing the system alters the power structure. You do not like the outcome if it did, just admit it is why you want to keep it.

You make the same argument over and over. It should stay the way it is because the constitution says so. Under that logic, slaves wokk u of still have no rights and women would not have the right to vote. Maybe we should go back 200 years

[Tennesseer]

Aug 10, 2024 10:52:47 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 10, 2024 6:45:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

You really don't understand the system do you? Is it in the Constitution?

I understand it perfectly well. You seem incapable of complex thought. Your answer is because it is the way it is, and you like it, so we should keep re p it the way it is.

I didn’t ask you about the system. I asked why 1 persons vote should be worth more than another’s. That is what is happening in our current system. Small states have disproportionate power in electing the president under our current system. Why is that fair? They are states that get more back than they pay into the pot. Changing the system alters the power structure. You do not like the outcome if it did, just admit it is why you want to keep it.

You make the same argument over and over. It should stay the way it is because the constitution says so. Under that logic, slaves wokk u of still have no rights and women would not have the right to vote. Maybe we should go back 200 years

She's already there.

[billisonboard]

Aug 10, 2024 10:52:47 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 10, 2024 6:45:24 GMT -5 scgal said:

You really don't understand the system do you? Is it in the Constitution?

I understand it perfectly well. You seem incapable of complex thought. Your answer is because it is the way it is, and you like it, so we should keep re p it the way it is.

I didn’t ask you about the system. I asked why 1 persons vote should be worth more than another’s. That is what is happening in our current system. Small states have disproportionate power in electing the president under our current system. Why is that fair? They are states that get more back than they pay into the pot. Changing the system alters the power structure. You do not like the outcome if it did, just admit it is why you want to keep it.

You make the same argument over and over. It should stay the way it is because the constitution says so. Under that logic, slaves wokk u of still have no rights and women would not have the right to vote. Maybe we should go back 200 years

It isn't that  states have power that concerns me. Each individual voter living in lower population states has more power in electing the president than each individual voter in states with larger populations. Picture it this way: We do away with the Electoral College, straight popular vote,  but keep the same power distribution. Here is how it would work. When they count the votes, they would add 2.47 to the total for each person’s vote cast in Wyoming and .78 for each person’s vote cast in Florida (numbers based on this link).

Why is it fair that one citizen in Wyoming has more electoral power than another citizen in Florida?

[billisonboard]

Here is something that drives me crazy. We can talk all we want about the process used to nominate candidates, but this is the type of shit that makes decent human beings unwilling to even run for office:

Walz’s military record has been heavily scrutinized by Republicans, including GOP vice presidential nominee JD Vance, after Walz was tapped as Vice President Kamala Harris’ running mate on Monday. Vance has accused the Minnesota governor of “stolen valor,” pointing to a video from 2018 circulated by the Harris campaign this week of Walz referring to weapons “that I carried in war” while explaining his support for an assault weapons ban. link

They're found one situation where he used imperfect wording and equate it people who attempt to glorify themselves using false claims of military achievements.

[tallguy]

Aug 10, 2024 13:55:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Here is something that drives me crazy. We can talk all we want about the process used to nominate candidates, but this is the type of shit that makes decent human beings unwilling to even run for office:

Walz’s military record has been heavily scrutinized by Republicans, including GOP vice presidential nominee JD Vance, after Walz was tapped as Vice President Kamala Harris’ running mate on Monday. Vance has accused the Minnesota governor of “stolen valor,” pointing to a video from 2018 circulated by the Harris campaign this week of Walz referring to weapons “that I carried in war” while explaining his support for an assault weapons ban. link

They're found one situation where he used imperfect wording and equate it people who attempt to glorify themselves using false claims of military achievements.

I have said many times that the vagaries of our nominating system almost guarantee that the best-qualified people will never run.  You can still primarily blame one side though.  Right-wing conservatives.  When it comes right down to it, those who are driven by some combination of ideology, bigotry, greed, and a need for power and control will always go lower than those who are driven by ideology alone.

[scgal]

Aug 10, 2024 11:18:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 10, 2024 10:52:47 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I understand it perfectly well. You seem incapable of complex thought. Your answer is because it is the way it is, and you like it, so we should keep re p it the way it is.

I didn’t ask you about the system. I asked why 1 persons vote should be worth more than another’s. That is what is happening in our current system. Small states have disproportionate power in electing the president under our current system. Why is that fair? They are states that get more back than they pay into the pot. Changing the system alters the power structure. You do not like the outcome if it did, just admit it is why you want to keep it.

You make the same argument over and over. It should stay the way it is because the constitution says so. Under that logic, slaves wokk u of still have no rights and women would not have the right to vote. Maybe we should go back 200 years

It isn't that  states have power that concerns me. Each individual voter living in lower population states has more power in electing the president than each individual voter in states with larger populations. Picture it this way: We do away with the Electoral College, straight popular vote,  but keep the same power distribution. Here is how it would work. When they count the votes, they would add 2.47 to the total for each person’s vote cast in Wyoming and .78 for each person’s vote cast in Florida (numbers based on this link).

Why is it fair that one citizen in Wyoming has more electoral power than another citizen in Florida?

I would agree but instead of getting rid of the electoral college we simplify it so that it is fair between states. All states should be equal. I don't care if half the population is in 10 states those 10 states do not have anymore say than the other 40. 

[pulmonarymd]

Still resorting to the fact that some people’ votes matter more. This just makes it even worse. Idaho and California have equal say. What nonsense

[Opti]

Aug 11, 2024 7:49:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 10, 2024 11:18:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It isn't that  states have power that concerns me. Each individual voter living in lower population states has more power in electing the president than each individual voter in states with larger populations. Picture it this way: We do away with the Electoral College, straight popular vote,  but keep the same power distribution. Here is how it would work. When they count the votes, they would add 2.47 to the total for each person’s vote cast in Wyoming and .78 for each person’s vote cast in Florida (numbers based on this link).

Why is it fair that one citizen in Wyoming has more electoral power than another citizen in Florida?

I would agree but instead of getting rid of the electoral college we simplify it so that it is fair between states. All states should be equal. I don't care if half the population is in 10 states those 10 states do not have anymore say than the other 40. 

If it is proportional say, those 10 states would have the same say as the other 40 combined. That would be equitable.

[Opti]

South Carolina isn't the smallest state at an estimated 5.4 million residents. But it does not generate the economic activity that my state, NJ, 9.3 million residents estimated, generates. While beautiful, I think SC is a net taker federally while NJ is one of the higher givers supporting way too many other states IMO.

[scgal]

Aug 10, 2024 13:55:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Here is something that drives me crazy. We can talk all we want about the process used to nominate candidates, but this is the type of shit that makes decent human beings unwilling to even run for office:

Walz’s military record has been heavily scrutinized by Republicans, including GOP vice presidential nominee JD Vance, after Walz was tapped as Vice President Kamala Harris’ running mate on Monday. Vance has accused the Minnesota governor of “stolen valor,” pointing to a video from 2018 circulated by the Harris campaign this week of Walz referring to weapons “that I carried in war” while explaining his support for an assault weapons ban. link

They're found one situation where he used imperfect wording and equate it people who attempt to glorify themselves using false claims of military achievements.

It's on both sides. Look how many times a sound bite will be taken from what Trump said and make it mean something other than his meaning. People on this board do it all the time. Unfortunately this is our political system tear the other side down. I do it too so I won't sit here pointing fingers. I don't know much about Walz will look into his past as the weeks go by. He is a dem so i'm already bias. Elections were easier in the past where the internet wasn't involved

[Opti]

Look how many times a sound bite will be taken from what Trump said and make it mean something other than his meaning.

Actually, since Trump lies and persuades many of you the horse is brown when in fact it is red, the problem might not be what you think it is. We've all endured Trump from the 2015 campaign season to the present. He uses the same tricks over and over. He speech patterns and word salad is crashing and burning on the regular.

So how do you feel about his odd stories like boats powered by electric power generated by batteries. Where the boat magically starts sinking once it leaves the dock because I guess it is near a shark?

Where do you stand on Trump made up stories trying to make political points and sway you, part of his base?

[billisonboard]

Aug 11, 2024 7:49:03 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 10, 2024 11:18:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It isn't that  states have power that concerns me. Each individual voter living in lower population states has more power in electing the president than each individual voter in states with larger populations. Picture it this way: We do away with the Electoral College, straight popular vote,  but keep the same power distribution. Here is how it would work. When they count the votes, they would add 2.47 to the total for each person’s vote cast in Wyoming and .78 for each person’s vote cast in Florida (numbers based on this link).

Why is it fair that one citizen in Wyoming has more electoral power than another citizen in Florida?

I would agree but instead of getting rid of the electoral college we simplify it so that it is fair between states. All states should be equal. I don't care if half the population is in 10 states those 10 states do not have anymore say than the other 40. 

Well that takes it to the extreme. Not a bad strategy. Offer the extreme to shift the "middle". In this case, makes what we have seem more reasonable. Love it. Not buying it, but love the attempt.

[pulmonarymd]

Saying both sides do it is comparing little leaguers and Major League Baseball players and saying they both play baseball. Technically true but misleading. Nobody lies like Trump, nobody. Half of what he says in unintelligible, and he constantly is name calling like a second grader. Who encouraged the “ lock her up” chants. Both sides may have been guilty in the past, but Trump and Republicans have taking it to an entirely different level

[scgal]

Aug 11, 2024 8:15:39 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Saying both sides do it is comparing little leaguers and Major League Baseball players and saying they both play baseball. Technically true but misleading. Nobody lies like Trump, nobody. Half of what he says in unintelligible, and he constantly is name calling like a second grader. Who encouraged the “ lock her up” chants. Both sides may have been guilty in the past, but Trump and Republicans have taking it to an entirely different level

Thats just it...You look at it as one does it worse or more etc.... I say they are both sides are guilty if they do it. You are not holier than thou if you do it less.

[tallguy]

Aug 11, 2024 15:00:48 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 8:15:39 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Saying both sides do it is comparing little leaguers and Major League Baseball players and saying they both play baseball. Technically true but misleading. Nobody lies like Trump, nobody. Half of what he says in unintelligible, and he constantly is name calling like a second grader. Who encouraged the “ lock her up” chants. Both sides may have been guilty in the past, but Trump and Republicans have taking it to an entirely different level

Thats just it...You look at it as one does it worse or more etc.... I say they are both sides are guilty if they do it. You are not holier than thou if you do it less.

So if one person is convicted of one felony and another person is convicted of, say, 34, are they both guilty?  Sure.  Should they be sentenced the same?  How about if the first is a misdemeanor compared to 34 felonies?  Still both guilty, but....

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 11, 2024 15:00:48 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 8:15:39 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Saying both sides do it is comparing little leaguers and Major League Baseball players and saying they both play baseball. Technically true but misleading. Nobody lies like Trump, nobody. Half of what he says in unintelligible, and he constantly is name calling like a second grader. Who encouraged the “ lock her up” chants. Both sides may have been guilty in the past, but Trump and Republicans have taking it to an entirely different level

Thats just it...You look at it as one does it worse or more etc.... I say they are both sides are guilty if they do it. You are not holier than thou if you do it less.

Just dumb. All crimes are the same? So all sentences are the same? Most politicians lie 15-20% of the time. Trump lies 80% of the time, but those people are the same. Trump’s juvenile name calling? Who else does that? But tell yourself it is the same. It’s the only way any you can sleep at night knowing that you support a convicted felon and a group of racist.

Do you see any irony in the fact that Trump criticized Walz signing a bill letting felons like Trump vote. Oh, that’s right, you don’t think what Trump did was a crime because it was committed in NY. You are the same person who thinks executing innocent people is ok because a jury found them guilty. Intellectual consistency isn’t one of your strong suits

[scgal]

Aug 11, 2024 16:15:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 11, 2024 15:00:48 GMT -5 scgal said:

Thats just it...You look at it as one does it worse or more etc.... I say they are both sides are guilty if they do it. You are not holier than thou if you do it less.

Just dumb. All crimes are the same? So all sentences are the same? Most politicians lie 15-20% of the time. Trump lies 80% of the time, but those people are the same. Trump’s juvenile name calling? Who else does that? But tell yourself it is the same. It’s the only way any you can sleep at night knowing that you support a convicted felon and a group of racist.

Do you see any irony in the fact that Trump criticized Walz signing a bill letting felons like Trump vote. Oh, that’s right, you don’t think what Trump did was a crime because it was committed in NY. You are the same person who thinks executing innocent people is ok because a jury found them guilty. Intellectual consistency isn’t one of your strong suits

What information do you have that says most politicians lie 15-20% of the time and that Trump lies 80%. I would like to see the unbias report on that and I mean the actual percentages that you are using. 

[Opti]

Aug 11, 2024 16:48:15 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 16:15:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Just dumb. All crimes are the same? So all sentences are the same? Most politicians lie 15-20% of the time. Trump lies 80% of the time, but those people are the same. Trump’s juvenile name calling? Who else does that? But tell yourself it is the same. It’s the only way any you can sleep at night knowing that you support a convicted felon and a group of racist.

Do you see any irony in the fact that Trump criticized Walz signing a bill letting felons like Trump vote. Oh, that’s right, you don’t think what Trump did was a crime because it was committed in NY. You are the same person who thinks executing innocent people is ok because a jury found them guilty. Intellectual consistency isn’t one of your strong suits

What information do you have that says most politicians lie 15-20% of the time and that Trump lies 80%. I would like to see the unbias report on that and I mean the actual percentages that you are using. 

  Really? You've had examples given before over the years he's campaigned.

[Opti]

Maybe someone needs to create a TDSA - Trump Derangement Syndrome Anonymous based on the AA 12 step program. People can admit they are helpless and want to believe authoritarians are telling the truth when in fact they are selling lies and only tell the truth by accident.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 11, 2024 16:48:15 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 16:15:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Just dumb. All crimes are the same? So all sentences are the same? Most politicians lie 15-20% of the time. Trump lies 80% of the time, but those people are the same. Trump’s juvenile name calling? Who else does that? But tell yourself it is the same. It’s the only way any you can sleep at night knowing that you support a convicted felon and a group of racist.

Do you see any irony in the fact that Trump criticized Walz signing a bill letting felons like Trump vote. Oh, that’s right, you don’t think what Trump did was a crime because it was committed in NY. You are the same person who thinks executing innocent people is ok because a jury found them guilty. Intellectual consistency isn’t one of your strong suits

What information do you have that says most politicians lie 15-20% of the time and that Trump lies 80%. I would like to see the unbias report on that and I mean the actual percentages that you are using. 

DJ quoted the statistic. But Trump lies nearly every time he opens his mouth. You are so biased you won’t admit it. But it is the reason he doesn’t like to be fact checked. And to top it off, Bolton just said that Trump had a very loose relationship to facts, and that Trump doesn’t even realize he is lying.

Finally, every time he talks about the 2020 election he is lying. Since that is a major topic of discussion for him, that is a major start. He lies about crowd size, poles, Obama’s birthplace, Covid, and denying he wanted to lock up Hilary. It would be easier to point out when he is telling the truth

ETA: is it the 80% statistic about Trump, or the 15-20% for regular politicians that you have issues with. I know it is hard when conservatives repeat Trump’s lies about the 2020 election to believe regular politicians lie only 15-20% of the time.

[scgal]

Aug 11, 2024 17:33:59 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 11, 2024 16:48:15 GMT -5 scgal said:

What information do you have that says most politicians lie 15-20% of the time and that Trump lies 80%. I would like to see the unbias report on that and I mean the actual percentages that you are using. 

DJ quoted the statistic. But Trump lies nearly every time he opens his mouth. You are so biased you won’t admit it. But it is the reason he doesn’t like to be fact checked. And to top it off, Bolton just said that Trump had a very loose relationship to facts, and that Trump doesn’t even realize he is lying.

Finally, every time he talks about the 2020 election he is lying. Since that is a major topic of discussion for him, that is a major start. He lies about crowd size, poles, Obama’s birthplace, Covid, and denying he wanted to lock up Hilary. It would be easier to point out when he is telling the truth

So after all that you can't give me proof of the actual percentages. So everything else you say is bullshit too

[Tennesseer]

Aug 11, 2024 17:33:59 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 11, 2024 16:48:15 GMT -5 scgal said:

What information do you have that says most politicians lie 15-20% of the time and that Trump lies 80%. I would like to see the unbias report on that and I mean the actual percentages that you are using. 

DJ quoted the statistic. But Trump lies nearly every time he opens his mouth. You are so biased you won’t admit it. But it is the reason he doesn’t like to be fact checked. And to top it off, Bolton just said that Trump had a very loose relationship to facts, and that Trump doesn’t even realize he is lying.

Finally, every time he talks about the 2020 election he is lying. Since that is a major topic of discussion for him, that is a major start. He lies about crowd size, poles, Obama’s birthplace, Covid, and denying he wanted to lock up Hilary. It would be easier to point out when he is telling the truth

ETA: is it the 80% statistic about Trump, or the 15-20% for regular politicians that you have issues with. I know it is hard when conservatives repeat Trump’s lies about the 2020 election to believe regular politicians lie only 15-20% of the time.

And Biden, Harris and Walz have not been found guilty of sexually abusing women/rape (per the trial judge) and at least 22 felonies to date.

One is okay voting for convicted felons and rapists or not. Easy choice for ethical and moral voters.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 11, 2024 17:37:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 17:33:59 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

DJ quoted the statistic. But Trump lies nearly every time he opens his mouth. You are so biased you won’t admit it. But it is the reason he doesn’t like to be fact checked. And to top it off, Bolton just said that Trump had a very loose relationship to facts, and that Trump doesn’t even realize he is lying.

Finally, every time he talks about the 2020 election he is lying. Since that is a major topic of discussion for him, that is a major start. He lies about crowd size, poles, Obama’s birthplace, Covid, and denying he wanted to lock up Hilary. It would be easier to point out when he is telling the truth

So after all that you can't give me proof of the actual percentages. So everything else you say is bullshit too

Reading comprehension problem I see. Do you believe DJ when he posts. I do. I believe he is the most honest poster we have. He has repeatedly pointed to this. Which statement do you have a problem with. Trump’s or regular politician. You have yet to say. In addition, do you believe Trump lies more than s as my other politician.

[djAdvocate]

candidly, that stat was from 2016.
a study was done on the presidential candidates from that year, and the percentage of the time that they told falsehoods, a term that is broader than lies.

most politicians tell falsehoods about 25% of the time. that is NORMAL. Trump tells falsehoods about 75% of the time. and yeah, i could probably dredge that up if you want me to, but i spent the better part of a year RAILING against Trump for this, and linking the proof for it every time i did it. you can probably find it. it is on this board.

[scgal]

Aug 11, 2024 17:43:10 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 11, 2024 17:37:42 GMT -5 scgal said:

So after all that you can't give me proof of the actual percentages. So everything else you say is bullshit too

Reading comprehension problem I see. Do you believe DJ when he posts. I do. I believe he is the most honest poster we have. He has repeatedly pointed to this. Which statement do you have a problem with. Trump’s or regular politician. You have yet to say. In addition, do you believe Trump lies more than s as my other politician.

My reading comprehension is fine, but when you post something general and say well so and so post this sorry that is total bullshit. DJ and I don't agree on alot of issues I do respect his posts but even with him I will take a statistic of something with a grain of salt. Who did investigation, what parameters etc. So you see my skepticism especially coming from someone who can't stand me.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 12, 2024 7:35:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 11, 2024 17:43:10 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Reading comprehension problem I see. Do you believe DJ when he posts. I do. I believe he is the most honest poster we have. He has repeatedly pointed to this. Which statement do you have a problem with. Trump’s or regular politician. You have yet to say. In addition, do you believe Trump lies more than s as my other politician.

My reading comprehension is fine, but when you post something general and say well so and so post this sorry that is total bullshit. DJ and I don't agree on alot of issues I do respect his posts but even with him I will take a statistic of something with a grain of salt. Who did investigation, what parameters etc. So you see my skepticism especially coming from someone who can't stand me.

Which statistic do you have a problem with-Trump's percentage of lying or other politicians. Trump tells the truth by accident. Since his favorite subject is how he won the 2020 election(a complete lie) his percentage is up there. If you read the post above yours, DJ jas chimed in, although I was off by a few percent. But you do nothing but disparage "liberals" yet wonder what you get treated the way you do.

You support a party that nominate a convicted felon, a compulsive liar, a narcissist, and the worst human ever to be president. Those are the facts. Yet "liberals" are who you have disdain for.

[scgal]

Aug 12, 2024 7:40:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 12, 2024 7:35:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

My reading comprehension is fine, but when you post something general and say well so and so post this sorry that is total bullshit. DJ and I don't agree on alot of issues I do respect his posts but even with him I will take a statistic of something with a grain of salt. Who did investigation, what parameters etc. So you see my skepticism especially coming from someone who can't stand me.

Which statistic do you have a problem with-Trump's percentage of lying or other politicians. Trump tells the truth by accident. Since his favorite subject is how he won the 2020 election(a complete lie) his percentage is up there. If you read the post above yours, DJ jas chimed in, although I was off by a few percent. But you do nothing but disparage "liberals" yet wonder what you get treated the way you do.

You support a party that nominate a convicted felon, a compulsive liar, a narcissist, and the worst human ever to be president. Those are the facts. Yet "liberals" are who you have disdain for.

And imagine how low we think of liberals

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 12, 2024 7:42:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 12, 2024 7:40:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Which statistic do you have a problem with-Trump's percentage of lying or other politicians. Trump tells the truth by accident. Since his favorite subject is how he won the 2020 election(a complete lie) his percentage is up there. If you read the post above yours, DJ jas chimed in, although I was off by a few percent. But you do nothing but disparage "liberals" yet wonder what you get treated the way you do.

You support a party that nominate a convicted felon, a compulsive liar, a narcissist, and the worst human ever to be president. Those are the facts. Yet "liberals" are who you have disdain for.

And imagine how low we think of liberals

Did the Democrats nominate a felon? I didn't catch where either Biden or Harris were convicted of a crime. Only 1 party is in favor of a criminal being president, and it isn't the democrats. Own it.

[scgal]

Aug 12, 2024 7:53:37 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 12, 2024 7:42:59 GMT -5 scgal said:

And imagine how low we think of liberals

Did the Democrats nominate a felon? I didn't catch where either Biden or Harris were convicted of a crime. Only 1 party is in favor of a criminal being president, and it isn't the democrats. Own it.

And yet we still think of Liberal Dems lower than that. Own that lol