BIden stumbles up stairs versus Biden goes to thank pilots

[djAdvocate]

Aug 5, 2024 10:09:10 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 5, 2024 10:01:30 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I am sorry, working in a non-clinical position in a nursing home does not make you an expert in aging. Biden clearly has lost a few steps cognitively, and he did not stop the bleeding. If he had, it would not have led to this. The polls were getting bad, and were continuing to worsen. The Republicans were going to use the playbook of an aging, out of touch president, and were going to win. The idea that Biden was going to beat Trump is a fantasy. The debate and the subsequent interview was a mortal wound. Given the timing, if this was not done now the election was lost.

I defended Biden up to this. But he has clearly declined in the last year. All of us need to recognize when it is time to go. I recognize there will be a time I will no longer be up to my job. Hopefully I choose when to go and not have it chosen for me. And you didn't answer my question- would you let an 82 yo surgeon operate on you?

I'm sorry I don't need to be an expert in aging to evaluate competence and what may come. 
Try again. I've been seriously following federal elections since 1999 or so.

If you haven't noticed, DJ is no longer a poll dancer for a reason. 

nobody asked me why.  it was a capricious decision.  i just decided that i liked Advocate better.  i took that stupid test a bunch of times and it always came out INFJ.  so, there it is.

[djAdvocate]

PS- i still track the polls really closely.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 5, 2024 12:31:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

You don't need to be an expert to see how bad the decline has been. Biden has been going downhill since being elected president. On a bad day Ray Charles could see it. People just making excuses for him. On contrary to what many have said here Trump with his lack of exercise and bad diet will out live him. Now all can say how Kamala will energize the youth I doubt she can beat Trump. Hillary was more of a favorite than her and she lost. 

Now tell us how much Trump has declined. He has clearly worsened in he last 4 years. He will be Biden's age at the end of his term. But you refuse to acknowledge that. You ridicule Biden, but fawn over Trump. And yes, statistically, Biden will outlive Trump despite your refusal to accept that

[tallguy]

Aug 5, 2024 15:34:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 5, 2024 12:31:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

You don't need to be an expert to see how bad the decline has been. Biden has been going downhill since being elected president. On a bad day Ray Charles could see it. People just making excuses for him. On contrary to what many have said here Trump with his lack of exercise and bad diet will out live him. Now all can say how Kamala will energize the youth I doubt she can beat Trump. Hillary was more of a favorite than her and she lost. 

Now tell us how much Trump has declined. He has clearly worsened in he last 4 years. He will be Biden's age at the end of his term. But you refuse to acknowledge that. You ridicule Biden, but fawn over Trump. And yes, statistically, Biden will outlive Trump despite your refusal to accept that

For those who suggest that Biden's decline is more noticeable and/or more severe, may I suggest that that is because he was starting from a point of reason and normalcy.  With all of Trump's disorders he has been borderline insane for many years already. 

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 5, 2024 15:54:15 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Aug 5, 2024 15:34:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Now tell us how much Trump has declined. He has clearly worsened in he last 4 years. He will be Biden's age at the end of his term. But you refuse to acknowledge that. You ridicule Biden, but fawn over Trump. And yes, statistically, Biden will outlive Trump despite your refusal to accept that

For those who suggest that Biden's decline is more noticeable and/or more severe, may I suggest that that is because he was starting from a point of reason and normalcy.  With all of Trump's disorders he has been borderline insane for many years already. 

Yes, Trump is the crazy Uncle who rants and raves at get togethers. Because he is crazy, no one notices how much worse he is. Hopefully, with Biden out of the race, Trump's antics become magnified. Funny how all the republicans who were pilling on about Biden's age and behavior, have no issue with Trump and his age. Not to mention Mitch McConnell who had 2 TIAs during press conferences. But again, it is OK if you are a republican. Just goes to show how low they will go.

[djAdvocate]

great point, TG.

there is another aspect of Trump, Schwarzenegger and Reagan that we all need to acknowledge, as well.

ENTERTAINERS get a lot of slack in our culture. you can swear up and down. you can go on a bender and run a car into a tree. you can do all kinds of stupid shit, and the public kinda expects it. it is part of what makes Entertainers Entertaining.

and i get that aspect of Trump. if he weren't such a dangerous misanthrope, SOME of his antics would pass for entertainment. but BECAUSE he sees himself as a leader, and not just a loudmouth, it is a lot harder to tolerate.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 5, 2024 16:13:59 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 5, 2024 15:54:15 GMT -5 tallguy said:

For those who suggest that Biden's decline is more noticeable and/or more severe, may I suggest that that is because he was starting from a point of reason and normalcy.  With all of Trump's disorders he has been borderline insane for many years already. 

Yes, Trump is the crazy Uncle who rants and raves at get togethers. Because he is crazy, no one notices how much worse he is. Hopefully, with Biden out of the race, Trump's antics become magnified. Funny how all the republicans who were pilling on about Biden's age and behavior, have no issue with Trump and his age. Not to mention Mitch McConnell who had 2 TIAs during press conferences. But again, it is OK if you are a republican. Just goes to show how low they will go.

the contrast between Trump's crazy and Biden's decline was something that many people could debate.  without Biden there, there is no corresponding stupid/crazy/etc in the Harris camp, imo.  i mean, Trump will certainly TRY to make a case for that.  but i suspect he will fail.

[scgal]

Aug 5, 2024 15:34:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Aug 5, 2024 12:31:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

You don't need to be an expert to see how bad the decline has been. Biden has been going downhill since being elected president. On a bad day Ray Charles could see it. People just making excuses for him. On contrary to what many have said here Trump with his lack of exercise and bad diet will out live him. Now all can say how Kamala will energize the youth I doubt she can beat Trump. Hillary was more of a favorite than her and she lost. 

Now tell us how much Trump has declined. He has clearly worsened in he last 4 years. He will be Biden's age at the end of his term. But you refuse to acknowledge that. You ridicule Biden, but fawn over Trump. And yes, statistically, Biden will outlive Trump despite your refusal to accept that

I don't see much decline on Trump there may be some but not like Biden. He is still the same ole loud mouth, ego driven blowhard. Statistically bullshit Biden will not out live Trump. 

[Opti]

Aug 6, 2024 4:27:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 5, 2024 15:34:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Now tell us how much Trump has declined. He has clearly worsened in he last 4 years. He will be Biden's age at the end of his term. But you refuse to acknowledge that. You ridicule Biden, but fawn over Trump. And yes, statistically, Biden will outlive Trump despite your refusal to accept that

I don't see much decline on Trump there may be some but not like Biden. He is still the same ole loud mouth, ego driven blowhard. Statistically bullshit Biden will not out live Trump. 

Since they are individuals in this case, we should look more at their personal health history. Yes Trump still talks forever and is loud, but clinically you would evaluate the changes in speech especially vocabulary. 

If you see them daily, the changes are obvious. BIden is a known stutterer so much of what you might see as a problem is merely a speech impediment. Not age. Trump's word salad is a choice and he did not have that back in 1987. Heck it was far more in control in 2016 than it is in 2024. A sign then Trump's brain is not aging all that well.

PMD and others might say I can't know what I know simply because I do not have credentials they recognize for being at a certain level. However, since I worked in a hybrid facility that built an AL with a dementia floor, I among other staffers were trained by outside firms on dementia and Alzhemimer's behaviors. Things that should be done and were commonly done in a facility environment to make it easier for them to go about their day. So assigned seating was the norm in AL, and especially important on the dementia floor as change upsets people who are losing their ability to function. How they were served, even how tables should
be fully setup with plates, silverware, and glasses b3 they even arrived for meals was explained. What to do when things got really bad, like people taking off their clothes in public spaces or defecating in the hallways were discussed. And yes I saw both on the regular when they moved my managers office to the locked ward floor. 

I got a little lost in the weeds there, but I am sick of PMD trying to tell me what he thinks I do not know or have not been trained on. I am a medical professional by training and by jobs I held back then. Being a receptionist in a facility like that you are coached that is a fireable offense if a patient or resident attacks you and you do not follow current accepted medical procedure in getting away or protecting yourself. When the AL side was being built, the facility took in several dementia patients prior to its opening. One of them had been violent to his wife. Reception had been relocated to a renovated patient room which meant both patients and vistors could walk behind us as we answered phones. Needless to say, it was many uncomfortable shifts and months when this known violent individual would prowl behind us when we were on shift. My coworker who had done this kind of work all her working life almost quit over it as this individual threatened her more often and with intent than he did to me. 

[obelisk]

Aug 6, 2024 4:45:34 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 6, 2024 4:27:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't see much decline on Trump there may be some but not like Biden. He is still the same ole loud mouth, ego driven blowhard. Statistically bullshit Biden will not out live Trump. 

Since they are individuals in this case, we should look more at their personal health history. Yes Trump still talks forever and is loud, but clinically you would evaluate the changes in speech especially vocabulary. 

If you see them daily, the changes are obvious. BIden is a known stutterer so much of what you might see as a problem is merely a speech impediment. Not age. Trump's word salad is a choice and he did not have that back in 1987. Heck it was far more in control in 2016 than it is in 2024. A sign then Trump's brain is not aging all that well.

PMD and others might say I can't know what I know simply because I do not have credentials they recognize for being at a certain level. However, since I worked in a hybrid facility that built an AL with a dementia floor, I among other staffers were trained by outside firms on dementia and Alzhemimer's behaviors. Things that should be done and were commonly done in a facility environment to make it easier for them to go about their day. So assigned seating was the norm in AL, and especially important on the dementia floor as change upsets people who are losing their ability to function. How they were served, even how tables should
be fully setup with plates, silverware, and glasses b3 they even arrived for meals was explained. What to do when things got really bad, like people taking off their clothes in public spaces or defecating in the hallways were discussed. And yes I saw both on the regular when they moved my managers office to the locked ward floor. 

I got a little lost in the weeds there, but I am sick of PMD trying to tell me what he thinks I do not know or have not been trained on. I am a medical professional by training and by jobs I held back then. Being a receptionist in a facility like that you are coached that is a fireable offense if a patient or resident attacks you and you do not follow current accepted medical procedure in getting away or protecting yourself. When the AL side was being built, the facility took in several dementia patients prior to its opening. One of them had been violent to his wife. Reception had been relocated to a renovated patient room which meant both patients and vistors could walk behind us as we answered phones. Needless to say, it was many uncomfortable shifts and months when this known violent individual would prowl behind us when we were on shift. My coworker who had done this kind of work all her working life almost quit over it as this individual threatened her more often and with intent than he did to me. 

I do not believe that you are a medical professional by training.  Keep the delusion going.  If you are a medical professional by training why are you not working in a medical professional position in your minute corner of New Jersey.  Something is missing in your resume to make this claim.  Like you claim in other posts its is FWIW meaning nothing.

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Warning, do not read unless you like long stories

This individual continued to hit his spouse at times when she visited. My coworker unfortunately also looked more like his wife than anyone else on staff, so she was a target of his simply because of her physical appearance. We both had to call for assistance from the nurse on duty (RN) and aides (CNAs) regularly. Sometimes multiple times on a 4-hour night shift for this individual alone.

His version of the disease made him violent and overbearing. The intake packets that are prepared for people going into AL and especially the dementia floor usually include occupation and hobbies for good reason. Teachers who were going to go to AL and the locked ward frequently got sundowners. It was exhausting to deal with multiple former teacher patients who were all deeply concerned about the kids making the bus and making it home OK. And of course, the violent ones got their creep on and became more dangerous than they were during the daytime. Just when of course us desk personnel needed more staff to protect us, not less. The joys of front desk work and until recently, the compensation rarely reflected the additional risks to one's person or the medical knowledge or training you would receive from the facility and by your own research. 

For grins, I might calculate how many people I saw and knew during those years. Our facility was short term rehab, so we only had some long-time patients/residents by exception. This was a smaller facility, so the AL/Dementia floor was at one end of the expanded building and the skilled remained where it was, if somewhat rearranged. In bigger facilities AL and the locked ward would be physically separated by skilled nursing simply by being in different buildings on a large facility campus. Buildable land was at a premium here, so that wasn't physically possible in this location. 

I think my experience is superior to PMDs when evaluating an individual from the perspective of how they might age mentally and what that journey might be like. (If and only if we are judging on mental decline) His specialty is not elder medicine to my knowledge, but cardiac in a hospital which is emergency medicine versus day to day like what would happen in an assisted living facility or dementia floor. I saw them go out to the hospital and come back. Sometimes I had to see them go out and both of us knew the odds of them returning home were low. But personally I know of more than one individual where I got to see their journey for roughly a decade personally day by day and then less because of Covid etc. My mother died of Alzheimers. She had the long version. Maybe one day I will calculate it out from diagnosis to death, but I think it was at least 11 years. Whereas my male next door neighbor went from well informed and well spoken on current events to diagnosed to dead in a year. His wife followed him quicker than expected; but they were a very lovely couple and I am sure she missed him terribly after his physical journey had ended.

This is way too long, but I will leave it for now. And perhaps delete if there is whining. Multiple doctors have told me to get a nursing degree. If Covid had not happened I might have done so. My ultimate goal was not to be a nurse, but to be the well paid person who helps evaluate patient charts in daily meetings and pulls up docs and reasoning during case by case legal challenges and pushbacks from insurance whether it be Medicare, BCBS and others. I sat in quite a few of these meetings because of lack of space where I worked. I was usually physically putting together medical record files of patients or doing audits on them for missing pieces and required doctor signatures. (I at one end of the table and the few meeting participants at the other end) I knew all the possible places to work on medical records. The conference room, the day room upstairs, the indoor-outdoor room on the dementia floor and the beauty salon when not in use etc. So I was dealing with residents and patients frequently while doing this work, and oh what fun it can be to keep dementia patients from touching HIPAA sensitive information. Cut my hours intentionally at times when I had more than one locked ward resident trying to look at files I had on a cart and tables. Then should you convince them to not investigate there, sometimes they would proceed to possibly destroy things in that room like children or pets might do to you while you were working. Also a bail situation if the one nurse on the floor or the aides were too busy to help at the time. Packing up my work and rolling out of the room often did the trick. Then I just had to deal with the usual fun thing of taking the only elevator down without picking up a passenger that needed to stay upstairs. Interesting times. 

[Opti]

Oh and we were trained in types of dementia and that included manifestations like hallucinations and auditory stuff. 

And getting older as I am, sometimes I think I should get that nursing degree if only to understand how things are looked at medically. Plus once you get enough floor hours there are other useful things to do including working on the insurance side to see if treatment and charges make sense. Again much better paying than what I do now. 

I'd really enjoy being Stephen Colbert or another comedian during this election season and beyond. At least I'd spend part of the day finding ways to laugh at the absurdity of people thinking Trump is in better shape mentally than Biden. And yes physically since DJT put on poundage over the years he looks haler to some than Biden who is rich people thin. 

Trump is always willing to tweak his image for the camera which does give him advantages over Biden. Biden is overdue for an update given Trump is running and the Covid times are past. 

[Opti]

Aug 5, 2024 15:22:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

PS- i still track the polls really closely.

I know. But you also know their limitations better than most. I track them better than I did even just a couple years ago. 

[Opti]

Not the place for this, but today is VP announcement day for Harris. We are also at roughly 90 days to the GE. Three months.
Who will win the VP stakes?

[obelisk]

Aug 6, 2024 5:37:57 GMT -5 Opti said:

Oh and we were trained in types of dementia and that included manifestations like hallucinations and auditory stuff. 

And getting older as I am, sometimes I think I should get that nursing degree if only to understand how things are looked at medically. Plus once you get enough floor hours there are other useful things to do including working on the insurance side to see if treatment and charges make sense. Again much better paying than what I do now. 

I'd really enjoy being Stephen Colbert or another comedian during this election season and beyond. At least I'd spend part of the day finding ways to laugh at the absurdity of people thinking Trump is in better shape mentally than Biden. And yes physically since DJT put on poundage over the years he looks haler to some than Biden who is rich people thin. 

Trump is always willing to tweak his image for the camera which does give him advantages over Biden. Biden is overdue for an update given Trump is running and the Covid times are past. 

Another delusional post regarding a nursing degree, becoming a comedian or perhaps a Georgian/Russian agent lurking in your complex including being foreclosed on your housing purchases for the past 40 years, then filling bankruptcy who knows how many times then being divorced as a badge of honor and finally Trump having to do with your current situation as an underfunded victim.   Keep it up to entertain us with your fantasies/wishes/delusional perspectives and what not.  And the best for last is that you know what Putin is thinking and planning.

[billisonboard]

Aug 6, 2024 5:28:41 GMT -5 Opti said:

...

I think my experience is superior to PMDs ...

...

And you have asserted your knowledge is superior to mine in the political realm. All well and good. I say we just continue to post our perspectives on things and worry less on attempting to convince ourselves and others of our superiority. Most things either time will tell or are unprovable as to what is truth.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 6, 2024 4:45:34 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 6, 2024 4:27:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't see much decline on Trump there may be some but not like Biden. He is still the same ole loud mouth, ego driven blowhard. Statistically bullshit Biden will not out live Trump. 

Since they are individuals in this case, we should look more at their personal health history. Yes Trump still talks forever and is loud, but clinically you would evaluate the changes in speech especially vocabulary. 

If you see them daily, the changes are obvious. BIden is a known stutterer so much of what you might see as a problem is merely a speech impediment. Not age. Trump's word salad is a choice and he did not have that back in 1987. Heck it was far more in control in 2016 than it is in 2024. A sign then Trump's brain is not aging all that well.

PMD and others might say I can't know what I know simply because I do not have credentials they recognize for being at a certain level. However, since I worked in a hybrid facility that built an AL with a dementia floor, I among other staffers were trained by outside firms on dementia and Alzhemimer's behaviors. Things that should be done and were commonly done in a facility environment to make it easier for them to go about their day. So assigned seating was the norm in AL, and especially important on the dementia floor as change upsets people who are losing their ability to function. How they were served, even how tables should
be fully setup with plates, silverware, and glasses b3 they even arrived for meals was explained. What to do when things got really bad, like people taking off their clothes in public spaces or defecating in the hallways were discussed. And yes I saw both on the regular when they moved my managers office to the locked ward floor. 

I got a little lost in the weeds there, but I am sick of PMD trying to tell me what he thinks I do not know or have not been trained on. I am a medical professional by training and by jobs I held back then. Being a receptionist in a facility like that you are coached that is a fireable offense if a patient or resident attacks you and you do not follow current accepted medical procedure in getting away or protecting yourself. When the AL side was being built, the facility took in several dementia patients prior to its opening. One of them had been violent to his wife. Reception had been relocated to a renovated patient room which meant both patients and vistors could walk behind us as we answered phones. Needless to say, it was many uncomfortable shifts and months when this known violent individual would prowl behind us when we were on shift. My coworker who had done this kind of work all her working life almost quit over it as this individual threatened her more often and with intent than he did to me. 

How delusional are you? In what field of medicine, nursing, rehab, do you have a license in? You may be knowledgeable for a lay person, but to think you know more than a board certified internal medicine physician is laughable. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 6, 2024 4:27:13 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 5, 2024 15:34:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Now tell us how much Trump has declined. He has clearly worsened in he last 4 years. He will be Biden's age at the end of his term. But you refuse to acknowledge that. You ridicule Biden, but fawn over Trump. And yes, statistically, Biden will outlive Trump despite your refusal to accept that

I don't see much decline on Trump there may be some but not like Biden. He is still the same ole loud mouth, ego driven blowhard. Statistically bullshit Biden will not out live Trump. 

i actually agree with you.  he is pretty much as awful now as he was in 2016.

you are wrong about Biden, though.  he is likely to outlive Trump.  i have looked it up at least half a dozen times, now.  

have you?

NOTE: the fact that Trump is more active and has less arthritis is not that relevant.  the fact that Trump is fat, gets little AEROBIC exercise, and has a terrible diet are the main factors that will likely cause him to die sooner.

[djAdvocate]

PS- i think it is funny that this thread and the right are still talking about Biden. funny and great.

ppppppppppppssssssssssssssssttttttttttt-

he is not running, folks!

[thyme4change]

Unfortunately- statistically what has happened over history and what happens in one single case don’t necessarily line up.

Trump will stay alive a long time for spite and ego. He should be dead by now - but he isn’t. Meanwhile, Christian Erikson, a peak specimen of health and exercise dropped dead from heart failure(luckily near people who were able to bring him back to life). Trump will live well beyond his expiration date. He is just that kind of guy.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 6, 2024 12:16:37 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Unfortunately- statistically what has happened over history and what happens in one single case don’t necessarily line up.

Trump will stay alive a long time for spite and ego. He should be dead by now - but he isn’t. Meanwhile, Christian Erikson, a peak specimen of health and exercise dropped dead from heart failure(luckily near people who were able to bring him back to life). Trump will live well beyond his expiration date. He is just that kind of guy.

we could always use the anecdotal examples of Breitbart and Carter, too.   

this is why i prefer to use actuarial tables.  what i think, or imagine, about Biden and Trump is actually beside my point.  my point is simply this:

Trump has half a dozen health risk factors that Biden does NOT have.  these will weigh on his outcomes significantly.  that is why he is EXPECTED to die first.

i know that nobody believes that.  i honestly don't care.  people believe all kinds of things that are not true.  something like 60% of the US population believes in a fiery hell occupied by a man with horns.  and you are welcome to believe that, if you wish, but i am uninterested in any debate which involves that.

the ONLY debate that interests me is one based on provable facts about the individuals involved and the statistics about those facts.  and on that count, Biden wins.

[dondubble]

Aug 6, 2024 15:07:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 6, 2024 12:16:37 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Unfortunately- statistically what has happened over history and what happens in one single case don’t necessarily line up.

Trump will stay alive a long time for spite and ego. He should be dead by now - but he isn’t. Meanwhile, Christian Erikson, a peak specimen of health and exercise dropped dead from heart failure(luckily near people who were able to bring him back to life). Trump will live well beyond his expiration date. He is just that kind of guy.

we could always use the anecdotal examples of Breitbart and Carter, too.   

this is why i prefer to use actuarial tables.  what i think, or imagine, about Biden and Trump is actually beside my point.  my point is simply this:

Trump has half a dozen health risk factors that Biden does NOT have.  these will weigh on his outcomes significantly.  that is why he is EXPECTED to die first.

i know that nobody believes that.  i honestly don't care.  people believe all kinds of things that are not true.  something like 60% of the US population believes in a fiery hell occupied by a man with horns.  and you are welcome to believe that, if you wish, but i am uninterested in any debate which involves that.

the ONLY debate that interests me is one based on provable facts about the individuals involved and the statistics about those facts.  and on that count, Biden wins.

Older than Trump!

[thyme4change]

Saw this today and thought of this thread. 🤣

[bean29]

I like the idea of a maximum age to run for office.  Personally Both Trump and Biden were too old to run.  Their parties put them up, and we all had to choose between the two.  Most democratic voters I talk to don't seem to have as much of an issue with the party choosing Kamala Harris without a primary election.  I was concerned about Biden slowing down, doubted his ability to complete a four year term, but I was still going to vote for him.  I always liked Kamala, I have no issues/doubts about her ability to lead the United States of America.  I can't stand Trump.  I am amazed he has so many people fooled about his character. 

I think there should be something done with the supreme court.  I have seen some proposals.  Staying on the Supreme Court until you die, meh, I think we could have a better plan.  and we need to have teeth in the Ethics/Recusal Rules and stop letting them accept bribes from Rich People with an agenda.

[billisonboard]

Aug 7, 2024 12:27:42 GMT -5 bean29 said:

I like the idea of a maximum age to run for office.  Personally Both Trump and Biden were too old to run.  Their parties put them up, and we all had to choose between the two.  Most democratic voters I talk to don't seem to have as much of an issue with the party choosing Kamala Harris without a primary election.  I was concerned about Biden slowing down, doubted his ability to complete a four year term, but I was still going to vote for him.  I always liked Kamala, I have no issues/doubts about her ability to lead the United States of America.  I can't stand Trump.  I am amazed he has so many people fooled about his character. 

I think there should be something done with the supreme court.  I have seen some proposals.  Staying on the Supreme Court until you die, meh, I think we could have a better plan.  and we need to have teeth in the Ethics/Recusal Rules and stop letting them accept bribes from Rich People with an agenda.

There was a primary process for both parties. The voters for either or both parties could have used their votes to have a different nominee. You had Dean Phillips (Democrats) and Niki Haley (GOP) as options in New Hampshire as a start.

[thyme4change]

Aug 7, 2024 12:57:44 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 7, 2024 12:27:42 GMT -5 bean29 said:

I like the idea of a maximum age to run for office.  Personally Both Trump and Biden were too old to run.  Their parties put them up, and we all had to choose between the two.  Most democratic voters I talk to don't seem to have as much of an issue with the party choosing Kamala Harris without a primary election.  I was concerned about Biden slowing down, doubted his ability to complete a four year term, but I was still going to vote for him.  I always liked Kamala, I have no issues/doubts about her ability to lead the United States of America.  I can't stand Trump.  I am amazed he has so many people fooled about his character. 

I think there should be something done with the supreme court.  I have seen some proposals.  Staying on the Supreme Court until you die, meh, I think we could have a better plan.  and we need to have teeth in the Ethics/Recusal Rules and stop letting them accept bribes from Rich People with an agenda.

There was a primary process for both parties. The voters for either or both parties could have used their votes to have a different nominee. You had Dean Phillips (Democrats) and Niki Haley (GOP) as options in New Hampshire as a start.

It was a sham primary for Democrats.

[billisonboard]

Aug 7, 2024 13:25:29 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 7, 2024 12:57:44 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

There was a primary process for both parties. The voters for either or both parties could have used their votes to have a different nominee. You had Dean Phillips (Democrats) and Niki Haley (GOP) as options in New Hampshire as a start.

It was a sham primary for Democrats.

So was the 1968 Democratic primary. Until:

President Lyndon Johnson, who had not officially entered the race for president, won the primary as a write-in, but finished with a shockingly low total of less than 50%. Eugene McCarthy, then a little-known senator from Minnesota, won 42% of the primary vote. McCarthy's extremely strong showing gave his campaign legitimacy and momentum. In addition, McCarthy's superior coordination led to a near sweep of the state's twenty-four pledged delegates; since Johnson had no formal campaign organization in the state, a number of competing pro-Johnson delegate candidates split his vote, allowing McCarthy to take twenty delegates.

On March 16, 1968, four days after the New Hampshire primary, Robert F. Kennedy, announced his candidacy. On March 31, 1968, President Lyndon Johnson announced that he would not seek reelection. Vice President Hubert Humphrey, went on to become nominee after Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated. link

The parallels are uncanny. All the voters had to do was not give Biden his majority write-in victory and everything would have changed.

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Aug 7, 2024 9:06:03 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Saw this today and thought of this thread. 🤣

It is interesting how people choose to perceive age. Keith Richards is actually younger than Mick Jagger and has had a more stable home life IMO than Mick. 

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Aug 7, 2024 13:42:52 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 7, 2024 13:25:29 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

It was a sham primary for Democrats.

So was the 1968 Democratic primary. Until:

President Lyndon Johnson, who had not officially entered the race for president, won the primary as a write-in, but finished with a shockingly low total of less than 50%. Eugene McCarthy, then a little-known senator from Minnesota, won 42% of the primary vote. McCarthy's extremely strong showing gave his campaign legitimacy and momentum. In addition, McCarthy's superior coordination led to a near sweep of the state's twenty-four pledged delegates; since Johnson had no formal campaign organization in the state, a number of competing pro-Johnson delegate candidates split his vote, allowing McCarthy to take twenty delegates.

On March 16, 1968, four days after the New Hampshire primary, Robert F. Kennedy, announced his candidacy. On March 31, 1968, President Lyndon Johnson announced that he would not seek reelection. Vice President Hubert Humphrey, went on to become nominee after Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated. link

The parallels are uncanny. All the voters had to do was not give Biden his majority write-in victory and everything would have changed.

So we live in interesting times, and I get to see a very atypical  DNC convention. Can regular folk get into the convention hall or does everyone need badges and vetting to do so? If I were a merch vendor, I could probably get a concourse booth correct?

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Aug 7, 2024 12:27:42 GMT -5 bean29 said:

I like the idea of a maximum age to run for office.  Personally Both Trump and Biden were too old to run.  Their parties put them up, and we all had to choose between the two.  Most democratic voters I talk to don't seem to have as much of an issue with the party choosing Kamala Harris without a primary election.  I was concerned about Biden slowing down, doubted his ability to complete a four year term, but I was still going to vote for him.  I always liked Kamala, I have no issues/doubts about her ability to lead the United States of America.  I can't stand Trump.  I am amazed he has so many people fooled about his character. 

I think there should be something done with the supreme court.  I have seen some proposals.  Staying on the Supreme Court until you die, meh, I think we could have a better plan.  and we need to have teeth in the Ethics/Recusal Rules and stop letting them accept bribes from Rich People with an agenda.

I do not like a maximum age at this time because things are always changing like what is happening and current life expectancy. 

To be elected one needs name recognition and a party machine behind them to get the votes and very importantly get the voters to turn out so a win can be achieved.