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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 17, 2024 18:24:00 GMT -5
Sure, that makes you an expert on dementia/s. Clearly you know more than a physician I apologise I didn't know there was a physicians report on Biden's mental capacity, just in case you are wrong please provide a link to allow me to just double check. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. You have not examined the man. I, a board certified internal medicine physician, have not examined him either. All we can go on is what we see. Are you actually claiming that you have sufficient knowledge, as a lay person, about dementia, that your opinion is more valid than mine? I am quite certain that Biden’s physician have examined him, and have medical records in that regard. Since medical information is private in the US, they are not allowed to discuss their evaluation without the express consent of the patient. Until the rules change, Biden is entitled to his medical privacy. But regale us with the incredible knowledge of dementia that you posed, as well as your exquisite knowledge about Biden’s condition. I cannot wait to be educated
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Post by toshmanta on Aug 17, 2024 18:27:25 GMT -5
It is only an ad hominem if you ignore the dictionary meaning, it does seem context matters even in your 3 dimensional world. Check mate. thanks for picking up the check. the definition of ad hominem is "to the man". whether i am high or not is immaterial. my drug addled posts can be addressed for their incoherence without you positing my indulgences insomaking. check, please. There are two ends to any stick and you refuse to let go of the wrong end but I am a patient and caring guy so I will help you out. 'It is only an ad hominem if you ignore the dictionary meaning of HIGH, it does seem context matters even in your 3 dimensional world.' Get out of that without moving.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2024 18:27:31 GMT -5
i have noted with some sympathy that physicians tend to feel the same way about novices commenting on medicine the same way that i feel when novices comment on engineering.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 17, 2024 18:28:36 GMT -5
So we can get rid of that, "No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher" nonsense that Mr. Miyagi tried to spout, right? of course. three things are extremely hard, @tg: steel, a diamond, and to know one's self. i recognize my constitutional incapability of abusing anyone. however, having said that, i don't see anything on this board as abuse any more. the closest it gets is annoying. the rest of the time it falls somewhere between amusing and educational. Yeah. Nobody is ever really hurt by anything here. If a response both amuses me and either amuses or educates someone else, good. If someone doesn't want to be a victim they should probably endeavor to not post stupid stuff in the first place. Nobody ever gets ridiculed for well-thought-out posts.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2024 18:29:55 GMT -5
thanks for picking up the check. the definition of ad hominem is "to the man". whether i am high or not is immaterial. my drug addled posts can be addressed for their incoherence without you positing my indulgences insomaking. check, please. There are two ends to any stick and you refuse to let go of the wrong end but I am a patient and caring guy so I will help you out. 'It is only an ad hominem if you ignore the dictionary meaning of HIGH, it does seem context matters even in your 3 dimensional world.' Get out of that without moving. i will lower myself to your comment. i just figured high was so common that it was in the dictionary the way i took it. and i was wrong. thanks for pointing that out. oh, and welcome back, i guess? it has been a while since i have seen you around, tosh.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2024 18:32:25 GMT -5
of course. three things are extremely hard, @tg: steel, a diamond, and to know one's self. i recognize my constitutional incapability of abusing anyone. however, having said that, i don't see anything on this board as abuse any more. the closest it gets is annoying. the rest of the time it falls somewhere between amusing and educational. Yeah. Nobody is ever really hurt by anything here. If a response both amuses me and either amuses or educates someone else, good. If someone doesn't want to be a victim they should probably endeavor to not post stupid stuff in the first place. Nobody ever gets ridiculed for well-thought-out posts. and to flip that point on it's head, i don't feel the victim for posting something clever in a heap of dog mess. but i totally get that others DO feel that way. it is what makes for good conversation. and bad conversation, for that matter.
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Post by toshmanta on Aug 17, 2024 18:43:38 GMT -5
I apologise I didn't know there was a physicians report on Biden's mental capacity, just in case you are wrong please provide a link to allow me to just double check. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. You have not examined the man. I, a board certified internal medicine physician, have not examined him either. All we can go on is what we see. Are you actually claiming that you have sufficient knowledge, as a lay person, about dementia, that your opinion is more valid than mine? I am quite certain that Biden’s physician have examined him, and have medical records in that regard. Since medical information is private in the US, they are not allowed to discuss their evaluation without the express consent of the patient. Until the rules change, Biden is entitled to his medical privacy. But regale us with the incredible knowledge of dementia that you posed, as well as your exquisite knowledge about Biden’s condition. I cannot wait to be educated So no link...mmm no evidence of a physician's opinion except your own....mmmm .....and you say you are a run of the mill General Practitioner who has no specialist training in dementia....mmmm... while this lay person spent 5 years in the company of not just one but rooms full of dementia patients as a volunteer in my mother's care home.......mmmm. I will be magnanimous and call it a tie but that's me being generous, my opinion of GP's is not too high.
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Post by toshmanta on Aug 17, 2024 19:02:20 GMT -5
i have noted with some sympathy that physicians tend to feel the same way about novices commenting on medicine the same way that i feel when novices comment on engineering. Ditto, my expertise is unlimited and to be honest I cannot recall ever being wrong, however as a student of sceptic and fellow Scotsman David Hume i must consider the possibility of genetic memory loss. This is the fate of all cause and effect hard determinists, destiny is all.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 17, 2024 19:02:28 GMT -5
You have not examined the man. I, a board certified internal medicine physician, have not examined him either. All we can go on is what we see. Are you actually claiming that you have sufficient knowledge, as a lay person, about dementia, that your opinion is more valid than mine? I am quite certain that Biden’s physician have examined him, and have medical records in that regard. Since medical information is private in the US, they are not allowed to discuss their evaluation without the express consent of the patient. Until the rules change, Biden is entitled to his medical privacy. But regale us with the incredible knowledge of dementia that you posed, as well as your exquisite knowledge about Biden’s condition. I cannot wait to be educated So no link...mmm no evidence of a physician's opinion except your own....mmmm .....and you say you are a run of the mill General Practitioner who has no specialist training in dementia....mmmm... while this lay person spent 5 years in the company of not just one but rooms full of dementia patients as a volunteer in my mother's care home.......mmmm. I will be magnanimous and call it a tie but that's me being generous, my opinion of GP's is not too high. Delusional. I go to a nursing home weekly, and have done so for at least a dozen years. I am also board certified in pulmonary and critical care medicine, so I see multiple patients constantly in the hospital. But sure, your experience is similar
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2024 19:05:38 GMT -5
i have noted with some sympathy that physicians tend to feel the same way about novices commenting on medicine the same way that i feel when novices comment on engineering. Ditto, my expertise is unlimited and to be honest I cannot recall ever being wrong, however as a student of sceptic and fellow Scotsman David Hume i must consider the possibility of genetic memory loss. This is the fate of all cause and effect hard determinists, destiny is all. i am not given to false modesty. i know what i am good at. and i admit when i am wrong. it doesn't make me an arrogant prick. but i certainly have been called that a few times.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 17, 2024 19:10:29 GMT -5
i have noted with some sympathy that physicians tend to feel the same way about novices commenting on medicine the same way that i feel when novices comment on engineering. Yes, the depth of knowledge on the subject that one gets from studying these things leads to a level of expertise that lay people do not understand. In addition, passing the proficiency exams shows a level of understanding the subject the average person cannot meet
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Post by toshmanta on Aug 17, 2024 19:11:15 GMT -5
So no link...mmm no evidence of a physician's opinion except your own....mmmm .....and you say you are a run of the mill General Practitioner who has no specialist training in dementia....mmmm... while this lay person spent 5 years in the company of not just one but rooms full of dementia patients as a volunteer in my mother's care home.......mmmm. I will be magnanimous and call it a tie but that's me being generous, my opinion of GP's is not too high. Delusional. I go to a nursing home weekly, and have done so for at least a dozen years. I am also board certified in pulmonary and critical care medicine, so I see multiple patients constantly in the hospital. But sure, your experience is similar I prefer equal experience, and is delusional your official diagnosis or just pique because I rattled your cage. Delusional is some one who ignores incontrovertible evidence which you have failed to provide so let's cut to the chase, if Biden was only suffering from something temporary why was he not out and about making multiple speeches and interviews on multiple subjects to prove to everyone he had recovered and was mentally acute ?? EH....EH....EH ??
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2024 19:14:53 GMT -5
i have noted with some sympathy that physicians tend to feel the same way about novices commenting on medicine the same way that i feel when novices comment on engineering. Yes, the depth of knowledge on the subject that one gets from studying these things leads to a level of expertise that lay people do not understand. In addition, passing the proficiency exams shows a level of understanding the subject the average person cannot meet might surprise you, but i was talking about myself, there. recently, people were suspecting that Biden had Parkinson's. i didn't make any diagnosis whatsoever, i just said that i strongly suspected that he did NOT have Parkinson s. when i was taken to task for it, i cited my experience with my mom, who had it for FOUR DECADES, and my extensive research in that area (for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who is a relative of someone with chronic illness). i still say he doesn't have Parkinson's. but no, i am not a medical professional, and even if i were, i would not diagnose him without an exam. i just FEEL that he doesn't have it, knowing what i know.
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Post by toshmanta on Aug 17, 2024 19:18:40 GMT -5
i have noted with some sympathy that physicians tend to feel the same way about novices commenting on medicine the same way that i feel when novices comment on engineering. Yes, the depth of knowledge on the subject that one gets from studying these things leads to a level of expertise that lay people do not understand. In addition, passing the proficiency exams shows a level of understanding the subject the average person cannot meet Calm down Doc I am only pulling your leg, I am at that age where I rely on experts such as yourself to extend my longevity and have few complaints, you have my utmost respect unless you tell me I am wrong.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 17, 2024 19:32:10 GMT -5
Yes, the depth of knowledge on the subject that one gets from studying these things leads to a level of expertise that lay people do not understand. In addition, passing the proficiency exams shows a level of understanding the subject the average person cannot meet Calm down Doc I am only pulling your leg, I am at that age where I rely on experts such as yourself to extend my longevity and have few complaints, you have my utmost respect unless you tell me I am wrong. Stay in your lane. I have been a physician for nearly 40 years. I am triple board certified. The diagnosis of dementia requires testing to exclude alternate diagnoses. You have no idea what these require, nor what sort of testing that Biden has undergone. Biden has clearly aged. I do not think he should be president after his term expires, as his aging will continue to the point that he is not up to the job. But your armchair diagnosis of dementia requires more than your lay persons observation of a person. Physicians are careful about making diagnoses about people who they have not examined personally. It would be prudent for you to do the same
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Post by toshmanta on Aug 17, 2024 19:41:06 GMT -5
Calm down Doc I am only pulling your leg, I am at that age where I rely on experts such as yourself to extend my longevity and have few complaints, you have my utmost respect unless you tell me I am wrong. Stay in your lane. I have been a physician for nearly 40 years. I am triple board certified. The diagnosis of dementia requires testing to exclude alternate diagnoses. You have no idea what these require, nor what sort of testing that Biden has undergone. Biden has clearly aged. I do not think he should be president after his term expires, as his aging will continue to the point that he is not up to the job. But your armchair diagnosis of dementia requires more than your lay persons observation of a person. Physicians are careful about making diagnoses about people who they have not examined personally. It would be prudent for you to do the same Be realistic Doc, I have been trolling since the internet began and have no intention of being measured or prudent in my opinions, not much fun in moderation old bean. I learned that facts don't matter from American Creationists which is why the Bible Belt loves Trump. Biden had to be pushed which is sad but understandable, no one likes to give up driving.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 17, 2024 19:49:29 GMT -5
Stay in your lane. I have been a physician for nearly 40 years. I am triple board certified. The diagnosis of dementia requires testing to exclude alternate diagnoses. You have no idea what these require, nor what sort of testing that Biden has undergone. Biden has clearly aged. I do not think he should be president after his term expires, as his aging will continue to the point that he is not up to the job. But your armchair diagnosis of dementia requires more than your lay persons observation of a person. Physicians are careful about making diagnoses about people who they have not examined personally. It would be prudent for you to do the same Be realistic Doc, I have been trolling since the internet began and have no intention of being measured or prudent in my opinions, not much fun in moderation old bean. I learned that facts don't matter from American Creationists which is why the Bible Belt loves Trump. Biden had to be pushed which is sad but understandable, no one likes to give up driving. It may be entertaining to you, but you are being rude and disrespectful to people who want to have honest discussion. Have your fun. I have no desire to be used for your entertainment purposes. It adds nothing to the discussion. It is juvenile, and why the internet has become a cesspool. That behavior is part of the reason that America has become so divided and why Trump was elected. Hope you are proud of yourself. This behavior is also directly responsible for millions of deaths from covid, as people listened to internet “experts” instead of public health professionals
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Post by toshmanta on Aug 17, 2024 20:05:09 GMT -5
Be realistic Doc, I have been trolling since the internet began and have no intention of being measured or prudent in my opinions, not much fun in moderation old bean. I learned that facts don't matter from American Creationists which is why the Bible Belt loves Trump. Biden had to be pushed which is sad but understandable, no one likes to give up driving. It may be entertaining to you, but you are being rude and disrespectful to people who want to have honest discussion. Have your fun. I have no desire to be used for your entertainment purposes. It adds nothing to the discussion. It is juvenile, and why the internet has become a cesspool. That behavior is part of the reason that America has become so divided and why Trump was elected. Hope you are proud of yourself. This behavior is also directly responsible for millions of deaths from covid, as people listened to internet “experts” instead of public health professionals Doc, have you heard of the term ' free will' ? I did not force you to discuss anything with me, you chose to reply to one of my opinions so I did not use you in the slightest. I am flabbergasted. You took it on yourself to attack this poor lay person who was giving an honest opinion but call me rude, my second will be contacting your second for dawn tomorrow, pistols is my preference, you can use a scalpel if you wish. Next you will be blaming me for all the Covid deaths for goodness sake.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 17, 2024 20:12:53 GMT -5
It may be entertaining to you, but you are being rude and disrespectful to people who want to have honest discussion. Have your fun. I have no desire to be used for your entertainment purposes. It adds nothing to the discussion. It is juvenile, and why the internet has become a cesspool. That behavior is part of the reason that America has become so divided and why Trump was elected. Hope you are proud of yourself. This behavior is also directly responsible for millions of deaths from covid, as people listened to internet “experts” instead of public health professionals Doc, have you heard of the term ' free will' ? I did not force you to discuss anything with me, you chose to reply to one of my opinions so I did not use you in the slightest. I am flabbergasted. You took it on yourself to attack this poor lay person who was giving an honest opinion but call me rude, my second will be contacting your second for dawn tomorrow, pistols is my preference, you can use a scalpel if you wish. Next you will be blaming me for all the Covid deaths for goodness sake.No, most of those are on Trump, obviously, but we can put you down for, what do you think, 5%?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2024 20:15:13 GMT -5
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TOSH/SUPERSPREADER I can agree with that. We don't actually have to specify what he is spreading though, right?
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Post by toshmanta on Aug 17, 2024 20:24:18 GMT -5
Doc, have you heard of the term ' free will' ? I did not force you to discuss anything with me, you chose to reply to one of my opinions so I did not use you in the slightest. I am flabbergasted. You took it on yourself to attack this poor lay person who was giving an honest opinion but call me rude, my second will be contacting your second for dawn tomorrow, pistols is my preference, you can use a scalpel if you wish. Next you will be blaming me for all the Covid deaths for goodness sake.No, most of those are on Trump, obviously, but we can put you down for, what do you think, 5%? In the UK it was estimated something like half of the deaths were caused by Doctors discharging the elderly Covid carriers to the care homes. Felt it was not the right time to bring this statistic up with Doc, he is very sensitive.
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No, most of those are on Trump, obviously, but we can put you down for, what do you think, 5%? In the UK it was estimated something like half of the deaths were caused by Doctors discharging the elderly Covid carriers to the care homes. Felt it was not the right time to bring this statistic up with Doc, he is very sensitive. Don’t like being called out about your behavior, do you? Ok Mr Smart Guy- what were they supposed to do? Hospitals were full, patients kept coming into the emergency room severely ill and needed to be admitted to the hospital. Where were they supposed to put those people if all the people who they discharged should have stayed in the hospital? How would you have solved that problem? Easy to criticize a decision. What would have been your decision if you were in charge?
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Post by Opti on Aug 18, 2024 6:21:10 GMT -5
No, most of those are on Trump, obviously, but we can put you down for, what do you think, 5%? In the UK it was estimated something like half of the deaths were caused by Doctors discharging the elderly Covid carriers to the care homes. Felt it was not the right time to bring this statistic up with Doc, he is very sensitive. I doubt that is true but might have been close to true for at most the beginning six months of when Covid hit the UK with measurable numbers. I don't feel like wasting my time going back to look, but even in Italy 50% of the deaths were not only the elderly. Tosh is a UK conservative which is why he gets along with Spell so well. They both believe the conservative misinformation machine there so its possible Tosh even believes the lie he posted. Meh. Need to do useful things.
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I feel this Tosh trolling nonsense belongs elsewhere, so when I am bored, I think I might drop in stuff that is French because it was part of the ceremonies at the Olympics. Sometimes I shop online just for sport to see what is out there. If I were to get a Lacoste watch, this would be a strong contender. I love the hands of the watch make the signature gator. And it's mostly white so it can be worn with mostly anything except and all black outfit. www.macys.com/shop/product/lacoste-unisex-l.12.12-white-silicone-strap-watch-42mm?ID=16321110
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I'm a swing voter I told you that Opt ..... both of our main parties are pretty central so there isn't much between them. A lot of people just vote for whoever they think is offering the best policies. Our new government has already reneged, so you can't really trust anybody. I've known Tosh a very long time on different boards, which is why we get on. And sadly this is true, don't know about half..... but elderly patients were not tested before being sent back to care homes, and went on to infect many vulnerable people there. They were also given DNRs . Some care workers working in multiple facilities also spread the virus....and family visitors The same happened right across Europe. Models showed that everybody was going to become infected and the only hope was to stall so that treatments and vaccines could be developed. They prioritised people who had a chance of surviving in a climate of limited facilities and intensive care.....over people who were end of life. That's the ugly side of the pandemic, something that people don't like to talk about....... but it is true.
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In the UK it was estimated something like half of the deaths were caused by Doctors discharging the elderly Covid carriers to the care homes. Felt it was not the right time to bring this statistic up with Doc, he is very sensitive. Don’t like being called out about your behavior, do you? Now you are being silly, it is my raison d'etre.
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Post by Opti on Aug 18, 2024 7:05:32 GMT -5
I'm a swing voter I told you that Opt ..... both of our main parties are pretty central so there isn't much between them. A lot of people just vote for whoever they think is offering the best policies. Our new government has already reneged, so you can't really trust anybody. I've known Tosh a very long time on different boards, which is why we get on. And sadly this is true, don't know about half..... but elderly patients were not tested before being sent back to care homes, and went on to infect many vulnerable people there. They were also given DNRs . Some care workers working in multiple facilities also spread the virus....and family visitors The same happened right across Europe. Models showed that everybody was going to become infected and the only hope was to stall so that treatments and vaccines could be developed. They prioritised people who had a chance of surviving in a climate of limited facilities and intensive care.....over people who were end of life. That's the ugly side of the pandemic, something that people don't like to talk about....... but it is true. Spell, us long time posters on P&M call them as we see it. Unfortunately, at the current time we are mostly US based and mostly not conservative. One occasional poster noticeably fled after telling us nothing would ever happen to Roe v Wade if Trump was elected because it was settled law. Spell you like Piers Morgan and I think he's a pompous self-involved ass. On many things we will not agree but we can discuss it. You like to see yourself as more moderate than the collective PM posters see you. And having done several where do you fall in your political belief's tests over the years, I think we are more correct, much like many posters worry was founded over Miss T's bland assurances.
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