The Ten Commandments must be displayed in Louisiana class...

[Tennesseer]

And so it begins. Hopefully, the courts overturn the state law.

The Ten Commandments must be displayed in Louisiana classrooms under requirement signed into law

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Louisiana has become the first state to require that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public school classroom under a bill signed into law by Republican Gov. Jeff Landry on Wednesday.

The GOP-drafted legislation mandates that a poster-sized display of the Ten Commandments in “large, easily readable font” be required in all public classrooms, from kindergarten to state-funded universities. Although the bill did not receive final approval from Landry, the time for gubernatorial action — to sign or veto the bill — has lapsed.

Opponents question the law’s constitutionality, warning that lawsuits are likely to follow. Proponents say the purpose of the measure is not solely religious, but that it has historical significance. In the law’s language, the Ten Commandments are described as “foundational documents of our state and national government.”

The displays, which will be paired with a four-paragraph “context statement” describing how the Ten Commandments “were a prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries,” must be in place in classrooms by the start of 2025.

Rest of article here: The Ten Commandments must be displayed in Louisiana classrooms under requirement signed into law

[Opti]

Foundational documents, how? 

[pulmonarymd]

I am glad that Louisiana solved all their problems-maternal mortality, child poverty, environmental issues, so they can focus on the REALLY importanat topic of state mandated religion.

Who knew it was such a utopia!

[billisonboard]

Jun 19, 2024 15:50:39 GMT -5 Opti said:

Foundational documents, how? 

I think that is a great question for honest discussion in classrooms across Louisiana. Why did politicians pass this law? What did they hope to accomplish? Does it cross the line constitutionally?

[Tennesseer]

Jun 19, 2024 16:04:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 19, 2024 15:50:39 GMT -5 Opti said:

Foundational documents, how? 

I think that is a great question for honest discussion in classrooms across Louisiana. Why did politicians pass this law? What did they hope to accomplish? Does it cross the line constitutionally?

I definately don't see elementary school children discussing this in their classrooms.

[billisonboard]

Jun 19, 2024 16:07:50 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 19, 2024 16:04:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think that is a great question for honest discussion in classrooms across Louisiana. Why did politicians pass this law? What did they hope to accomplish? Does it cross the line constitutionally?

I definately don't see elementary school children discussing this in their classrooms.

I don't see elementary school children noticing it exists in their classroom.

[chiver78]

how quaint, from the only state to call their counties "Parishes" 

[haapai]

Can you even fit the ten commandments in large, easily readable font, on something poster-sized?  Can you squeeze a "four paragraph context statement" in the same space without annotating the ten? 

This bothers me quite a bit.  I know that "thou shall not lie" is one of the ten commandments.  But I'm also pretty certain that omitting certain things turns a factually true statement into a lie and that the version of the ten that I was taught included this.  I somehow doubt that this bit is going to make it onto the proposed poster. 

[Tennesseer]

Jun 19, 2024 16:15:35 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 19, 2024 16:07:50 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I definately don't see elementary school children discussing this in their classrooms.

I don't see elementary school children noticing it exists in their classroom.

It's been a long time since you and I were children. The world has changed since our childhood and current ages. Kids see. Kids hear. Kids also hear and listen to their parents. Children are not oblivious to the world around them.

[billisonboard]

Jun 19, 2024 18:20:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 19, 2024 16:15:35 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I don't see elementary school children noticing it exists in their classroom.

It's been a long time since you and I were children. The world has changed since our childhood and current ages. Kids see. Kids hear. Kids also hear and listen to their parents. Children are not oblivious to the world around them.

It has been a long time since I was a child. It has been a little under a week since I finished working the school year at a Jr/Sr high school and a little more than a year since I finished two years working at a K-8 school. My recent experience: kids are still kids.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 19, 2024 18:42:54 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 19, 2024 18:20:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

It's been a long time since you and I were children. The world has changed since our childhood and current ages. Kids see. Kids hear. Kids also hear and listen to their parents. Children are not oblivious to the world around them.

It has been a long time since I was a child. It has been a little under a week since I finished working the school year at a Jr/Sr high school and a little more than a year since I finished two years working at a K-8 school. My recent experience: kids are still kids.

Did you have a poster sized ten commandments openly displayed in your classroom(s)?

[billisonboard]

Jun 19, 2024 19:05:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 19, 2024 18:42:54 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It has been a long time since I was a child. It has been a little under a week since I finished working the school year at a Jr/Sr high school and a little more than a year since I finished two years working at a K-8 school. My recent experience: kids are still kids.

Did you have a poster sized ten commandments openly displayed in your classroom(s)?

Nope. You got me there. I concede.

[happyhoix]

Jun 19, 2024 16:04:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 19, 2024 15:50:39 GMT -5 Opti said:

Foundational documents, how? 

I think that is a great question for honest discussion in classrooms across Louisiana. Why did politicians pass this law? What did they hope to accomplish? Does it cross the line constitutionally?

It does. Separation of church and state. The Church of Satan will be all over this right away. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 19, 2024 19:56:07 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 19, 2024 16:04:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think that is a great question for honest discussion in classrooms across Louisiana. Why did politicians pass this law? What did they hope to accomplish? Does it cross the line constitutionally?

It does. Separation of church and state. The Church of Satan will be all over this right away. 

i am thinking the Pastafarians, as well.

[Tennesseer]

The Borowitz Report

Louisiana Orders Classrooms To Display All Ten Commandments That Trump Has Broken
JUN 20, 2024

BATON ROUGE (The Borowitz Report)—The Republican governor of Louisiana signed a new law on Wednesday requiring every classroom in the state to display a poster listing all Ten Commandments that Donald J. Trump has broken.

Governor Jeff Landry said the poster would enable students “to keep track of how many Commandments they have broken so they can better follow Trump’s example.”

“At the end of each year, teachers will issue a report card indicating which Commandments the students have broken and which they have not,” the governor said. “If they have not broken all ten, they will be required to repeat the grade.”

“We want Louisiana's students to grow up to be productive felons," he added.

Critics, however, said the law would give some students an unfair advantage, since children of Republican officials start learning how to break the Ten Commandments almost from birth.

Louisiana Orders Classrooms To Display All Ten Commandments That Trump Has Broken

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jun 20, 2024 7:07:45 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The Borowitz Report

Louisiana Orders Classrooms To Display All Ten Commandments That Trump Has Broken
JUN 20, 2024

BATON ROUGE (The Borowitz Report)—The Republican governor of Louisiana signed a new law on Wednesday requiring every classroom in the state to display a poster listing all Ten Commandments that Donald J. Trump has broken.

Governor Jeff Landry said the poster would enable students “to keep track of how many Commandments they have broken so they can better follow Trump’s example.”

“At the end of each year, teachers will issue a report card indicating which Commandments the students have broken and which they have not,” the governor said. “If they have not broken all ten, they will be required to repeat the grade.”

“We want Louisiana's students to grow up to be productive felons," he added.

Critics, however, said the law would give some students an unfair advantage, since children of Republican officials start learning how to break the Ten Commandments almost from birth.

Louisiana Orders Classrooms To Display All Ten Commandments That Trump Has Broken

[tallguy]

Critics, however, said the law would give some students an unfair advantage, since children of Republican officials start learning how to break the Ten Commandments almost from birth.

This was meant to be humorous, but it looks to be true.  If you compare criminal indictments, charges, convictions, and prison sentences by presidential administration during our lifetimes, Republicans have DOZENS of times more than Democrats.  The Nixon, Reagan, George W. Bush, and Trump administrations all have double-figure individuals charged with crimes.  Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden have near zero.  And those are just crimes in the legal sense.  Says nothing about moral offenses where Trump REALLY stands out.  

[pulmonarymd]

That can’t be true. Conservatives claim that democrats are criminals, rapist, immoral murderers

[haapai]

I can definitely see the kiddos, or possibly the teachers, putting little Trump stickers next to the ones that he has broken.  Putting the poster under glass and scraping off the stickers as they accumulate might not be the solution.  Eventually, the glass covering "Thou shall not lie" will either become covered with gummy residue or unreadable due to the scratches that accumulate when the stickers are scraped off with a razor blade. 

[tallguy]

Jun 20, 2024 12:02:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

That can’t be true. Conservatives claim that democrats are criminals, rapist, immoral murderers

Projecting their own desires?

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 20, 2024 12:27:00 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jun 20, 2024 12:02:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

That can’t be true. Conservatives claim that democrats are criminals, rapist, immoral murderers

Projecting their own desires?

That would be par for the course. If you want to know what Trump is guilty of, just listen to what he accuses others of doing. Undoubtedly he has done it

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 19, 2024 16:04:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 19, 2024 15:50:39 GMT -5 Opti said:

Foundational documents, how? 

I think that is a great question for honest discussion in classrooms across Louisiana. Why did politicians pass this law? What did they hope to accomplish? Does it cross the line constitutionally?

Yes it does because America is not supposed to have a state religion.  The separation of church and state was in direct response to England and the monarchy being not only the ruler of England but the head of the church as well and also fear of us becoming a papal state ruled by Rome given how many times England and other European countries changed hands religiously.

It was also in response to our Puritan roots which we continue to wrestle with to this day.  

Unless they are also going to display religious tenets from Islam, Judaism and other world religions they are in violation of separation of church and state.   Schools are publically and federally funded institutions that are not supposed to endorse or support any religion.  It's meant to keep you from being discriminated against for your beliefs.

If religion belongs in public schools then churches and private schools should be treated the same as the state.  Taxed the same and be required to teach the same curriculum as public schools.  No hiding behind separation of church and state for them either.

[NastyWoman]

I shall have you all know that sometime in second grade or third grade (too long ago to remember exactly), during our monthly confession I confessed to have broken the 7th commandment! We all were taken to church for confession on a monthly basis by the nuns and I wanted something new to confess instead of the monthly "I stole a cookie and I lied".  Only the second was true as, in a blue collar family with 7 kids there were no cookies to steal but I did say I lied so in my mind I was good.
Anyway, I was looking for something new. Now the Dutch word for adultery is " overspel" and "spel" means play. So in my mind chances were good that I had played too much at some time and I confidently  confessed to it. I clearly remember two things from that: (1) the priest I confessed to made some really weird sounds leading me to believe I had found a really bad one, and (2) my penance was twice as much as my regular penance was.

So I never tried that one again. It was a long time before I knew what I had confessed to and I still occasionally wonder if that priest broke his vow of silence on that one.
I am a sinner 

[Tennesseer]

Jun 20, 2024 16:38:32 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I shall have you all know that sometime in second grade or third grade (too long ago to remember exactly), during our monthly confession I confessed to have broken the 7th commandment! We all were taken to church for confession on a monthly basis by the nuns and I wanted something new to confess instead of the monthly "I stole a cookie and I lied".  Only the second was true as, in a blue collar family with 7 kids there were no cookies to steal but I did say I lied so in my mind I was good.
Anyway, I was looking for something new. Now the Dutch word for adultery is " overspel" and "spel" means play. So in my mind chances were good that I had played too much at some time and I confidently  confessed to it. I clearly remember two things from that: (1) the priest I confessed to made some really weird sounds leading me to believe I had found a really bad one, and (2) my penance was twice as much as my regular penance was.

So I never tried that one again. It was a long time before I knew what I had confessed to and I still occasionally wonder if that priest broke his vow of silence on that one.
I am a sinner 

I too had to go to confession at school when the following day, the whole school attended Friday mass.

Having made my first confession and first communion, one time I asked my teacher/nun if I had to go to confession. I told her I had no reason to confess anything. The nun told me to then make something up and confess that. Then I knew it was all nonsense.

[NastyWoman]

Jun 20, 2024 16:46:33 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 20, 2024 16:38:32 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I shall have you all know that sometime in second grade or third grade (too long ago to remember exactly), during our monthly confession I confessed to have broken the 7th commandment! We all were taken to church for confession on a monthly basis by the nuns and I wanted something new to confess instead of the monthly "I stole a cookie and I lied".  Only the second was true as, in a blue collar family with 7 kids there were no cookies to steal but I did say I lied so in my mind I was good.
Anyway, I was looking for something new. Now the Dutch word for adultery is " overspel" and "spel" means play. So in my mind chances were good that I had played too much at some time and I confidently  confessed to it. I clearly remember two things from that: (1) the priest I confessed to made some really weird sounds leading me to believe I had found a really bad one, and (2) my penance was twice as much as my regular penance was.

So I never tried that one again. It was a long time before I knew what I had confessed to and I still occasionally wonder if that priest broke his vow of silence on that one.
I am a sinner 

I tool had to go to confession at school when the following day, the whole school attended Friday mass.

Having made my first confession and first communion, one time I asked my teacher/nun if I had to go to confession. I told her I had no reason to confess anything. The nun told me to then make something up and confess that. Then I knew it was all nonsense.

See, and that is where politicians come from. Or the ones who really don't like that approach and they make something up followed by "I lied" like yours truly 

[Tiny]

Proponents said the measure is not solely religious, but that it has historical significance. In the language of the law, the Ten Commandments are “foundational documents of our state and national government.” 

So, they want to use a list of the 10 commandments to highlight how the Founding Fathers wanted to create a Government that was NOT based on religion?

So, maybe how the first 4 commandments are all about humans duty to God and how a government should be set up to enforce that duty to God??



I wonder which version of the 10 Commandments (what wording) and which interpretation of them will be used for this Poster.... Will each school get to decide which version to use??


Maybe that's the next thing our Conservative Politicians will want to tackle deciding on the exact wording and interpretation for the 10 Commandments that will be the US "standard" version.

[Tennesseer]

I'd rather post the Code of Hammurabi in classrooms than the ten commandments.

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2024 17:04:50 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Proponents said the measure is not solely religious, but that it has historical significance. In the language of the law, the Ten Commandments are “foundational documents of our state and national government.” 

So, they want to use a list of the 10 commandments to highlight how the Founding Fathers wanted to create a Government that was NOT based on religion?

So, maybe how the first 4 commandments are all about humans duty to God and how a government should be set up to enforce that duty to God??



I wonder which version of the 10 Commandments (what wording) and which interpretation of them will be used for this Poster.... Will each school get to decide which version to use??


Maybe that's the next thing our Conservative Politicians will want to tackle deciding on the exact wording and interpretation for the 10 Commandments that will be the US "standard" version.

The bill also requires that a specific version of the Ten Commandments, which has been dictated by the state legislature, be used for every display. link

The text shall read as follows:
"The Ten Commandments
I AM the LORD thy God.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven images.Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is thy neighbor's." link

[Tennesseer]

Jun 20, 2024 17:23:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 20, 2024 17:04:50 GMT -5 Tiny said:

So, they want to use a list of the 10 commandments to highlight how the Founding Fathers wanted to create a Government that was NOT based on religion?

So, maybe how the first 4 commandments are all about humans duty to God and how a government should be set up to enforce that duty to God??



I wonder which version of the 10 Commandments (what wording) and which interpretation of them will be used for this Poster.... Will each school get to decide which version to use??


Maybe that's the next thing our Conservative Politicians will want to tackle deciding on the exact wording and interpretation for the 10 Commandments that will be the US "standard" version.

The bill also requires that a specific version of the Ten Commandments, which has been dictated by the state legislature, be used for every display. link

The text shall read as follows:
"The Ten Commandments
I AM the LORD thy God.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven images.Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is thy neighbor's." link

Gee. I hope there are no non-Christians in all of Louisiana's public elementary, middle and high schools,  along with the state's public colleges and universities. Talk about bias against followers of other religions.  One could get stoned to death in Louisiana.

[Tiny]

If children and unmarried girls/women aren't property - then do the 10 Commandments mean it's ok for unmarried men to have sex with children and unmarried women and other unmarried men? They aren't coveting their neighbor's wife or their property.... and they aren't cheating on a spouse...

When is killing another human not "murder"? Is killing someone in self defense or in war or by accident killing and/or murder 

Does honoring your father and mother mean that the youngest female child (or youngest son's wife) will be their caretakers in their old age? Because it's not any of the other siblings problem and they don't want to have to pay for their parent's care?

If you aren't suppose to lie to your neighbor - does that mean it's OK to lie to other people who aren't your neighbor? Is ok for a man to claim in court that a brain eating worm effected his brain so that he can pay less when he divorces his wife? Is it ok to scam people out of money?

The 10 commandments always seemed like a nice, easy thing to tell to children... but they have very little effect on what is actually considered moral or immoral.   


Cause you know, some kids are gonna learn that there are all sorts of loopholes and ways to use the 10 commandments to their own advantage.  Usually taught to them by the adults and people in authority in their life.