The hypocritical reason Harrison Butker won’t get the...

[Tennesseer]

The author of this opinion piece brings up some good points.

The hypocritical reason Harrison Butker won’t get the Kaepernick treatment
The Chiefs should part ways with Butker, but the team (and the league) will likely do nothing.

The average football fan may not now who Harrison Butker is. But they probably should. The three-time Super Bowl-winning kicker for the Patrick Mahomes-Travis Kelce era of the Kansas City Chiefs is looking to help his team do something that no team has ever done: win three straight Super Bowls.

But the kicker's stellar performances on the field were overshadowed this weekend when Butker took the podium at a commencement ceremony at Benedictine College in Kansas and espoused viewpoints that might have made some wonder if he was instead playing for Hank Stram’s Chiefs teams of the 1960s.

Standing in front of a graduating class that included many young women, the 28-year-old Butker claimed that while many women might “go on to lead successful careers in the world,” he believes more of them are “most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.” His wife, Butker continued, would agree. Her “life truly started when she started living her vocation as a wife and as a mother,” he told the Catholic private liberal arts school students.

Not content to talk just about gender roles, Butker turned political as he criticized President Joe Biden and his Covid-19 policies. “Things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as a growing support for degenerate cultural values and media all stem from pervasiveness of disorder,” he continued. Calling June’s Pride Month “the deadly sin sort of pride,” Butker also specifically criticized the LGBTQ community, which he claimed promotes “dangerous gender ideologies.”

The NFL’s senior vice president and chief diversity and inclusion officer said Butker's remarks don’t reflect the views of the league. But that’s about it. The Chiefs? No comment. Butker? No further comment. Maybe that’s for the best for all involved.

In a day and age where hypocrisy has become as much the rule as the exception, I can’t help but wonder what Colin Kaepernick is thinking as he stares from afar at the recent backlash, or lack thereof. Kaepernick last played in an NFL game on New Year’s Day 2017. After a six-year run, including five as a starting quarterback and a trip to the Super Bowl, the San Francisco 49er star’s career was over at the age of 30 after he started speaking out about racial justice issues and police brutality.

Rest of article here: The hypocritical reason Harrison Butker won’t get the Kaepernick treatment

[mollyanna58]

A friend of mine posted a meme about how Travis Kelce guzzled a beer at a commencement speech and no one said a word, and that Butker's speech was much better than Kelce's behavior.

[andi9899]

Let's keep it real. He's white and that's why he won't get dismissed. There is a petition out there to release him which currently has 113K signatures. I'd be shocked if it happened. He's white and he's a pretty accurate kicker. The Chiefs won't drop him.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

He's a "nice" white Christian conservative boy.  

Colin was an uppity black man.  

That's the difference.  That's literally all there is to the hypocrisy.

[thyme4change]

I have a physical reaction when I hear men blanket all women to subservient wives and mothers.

I hadn’t even heard the rest of it because I was too busy trying to shift my body around and get comfortable.

🤮

[Opti]

May 17, 2024 17:40:42 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I have a physical reaction when I hear men blanket all women to subservient wives and mothers.

I hadn’t even heard the rest of it because I was too busy trying to shift my body around and get comfortable.

🤮

I think he was projecting and something is going on in his personal life. His wife must be asking to work PT or even FT so he's feeling not enough and wanting a FT wife to care for him. I think his speech about her is either fantasy or how she might have felt after her first child.

I don't think he's trying to pre-shop for a second wife, but I could be wrong.

[Opti]

Looks like I am at least partially correct. He likes the idea of a FT homemaker and someone who changed religions etc. for him. 


www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/chiefs-kicker-harrison-butker-wife-s-third-child-on-the-way/ar-BB1mxfeA?ocid=BingNewsSerp


Butker told the graduating students, “I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say her life truly started when she started living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I’m on this stage today, able to be the man that I am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation…


However, Butker’s mother and sister both pursued further education after college. Butker’s sister, Charlotte Butker Nitz, graduated from Emory University before studying at Weill Cornell Graduate School of Medical Sciences, per her Facebook page. She works as a Physician’s assistant in New York, according to Sharecare.com.



His mother, Elizabeth Keller Butker, is a physicist who works in the Department of Radiation Oncology at Emory University School of Medicine. A 2020 Winship Cancer Institute newsletter states that Butker’s mother specializes in brachytherapy and Gamma Knife medical physics care.

[happyhoix]

May 17, 2024 18:04:25 GMT -5 Opti said:

Looks like I am at least partially correct. He likes the idea of a FT homemaker and someone who changed religions etc. for him. 


www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/chiefs-kicker-harrison-butker-wife-s-third-child-on-the-way/ar-BB1mxfeA?ocid=BingNewsSerp


Butker told the graduating students, “I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say her life truly started when she started living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I’m on this stage today, able to be the man that I am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation…


However, Butker’s mother and sister both pursued further education after college. Butker’s sister, Charlotte Butker Nitz, graduated from Emory University before studying at Weill Cornell Graduate School of Medical Sciences, per her Facebook page. She works as a Physician’s assistant in New York, according to Sharecare.com.



His mother, Elizabeth Keller Butker, is a physicist who works in the Department of Radiation Oncology at Emory University School of Medicine. A 2020 Winship Cancer Institute newsletter states that Butker’s mother specializes in brachytherapy and Gamma Knife medical physics care.

That seems really strange to me, that his wife and mom are both professional women who work outside the home. Usually what you grow up with seems the most normal. 

I did have a co-worker once who hated doing homework and his wife became a SAHM once they had a baby just so that she could get all the housework done during the week. They eventually had 3 daughters, plus his wife had a part time job leading a kid’s exercise class. Once, the guy came to work furious because his wife didn’t get all the household chores done during the week and he had to make a run to the grocery store. You’d have thought she shot his dog. 

So maybe this guy grew up having to help with chores and decided that wasn’t for him. Wonder what his mom and sister think. 

[busymom]

Sheesh!  Both of DH's parents worked full time, and being the oldest, he often had to do stuff like start dinner.  A well-rounded man knows how to cook & do laundry.  Why do I get the feeling that Butker just lounges around the house when he's not playing football? 


Butker sounds like a man-baby.  

[Tennesseer]

May 17, 2024 21:43:37 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 17, 2024 18:04:25 GMT -5 Opti said:

Looks like I am at least partially correct. He likes the idea of a FT homemaker and someone who changed religions etc. for him. 


www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/chiefs-kicker-harrison-butker-wife-s-third-child-on-the-way/ar-BB1mxfeA?ocid=BingNewsSerp


Butker told the graduating students, “I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say her life truly started when she started living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I’m on this stage today, able to be the man that I am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation…


However, Butker’s mother and sister both pursued further education after college. Butker’s sister, Charlotte Butker Nitz, graduated from Emory University before studying at Weill Cornell Graduate School of Medical Sciences, per her Facebook page. She works as a Physician’s assistant in New York, according to Sharecare.com.



His mother, Elizabeth Keller Butker, is a physicist who works in the Department of Radiation Oncology at Emory University School of Medicine. A 2020 Winship Cancer Institute newsletter states that Butker’s mother specializes in brachytherapy and Gamma Knife medical physics care.

That seems really strange to me, that his wife and mom are both professional women who work outside the home. Usually what you grow up with seems the most normal. 

I did have a co-worker once who hated doing homework and his wife became a SAHM once they had a baby just so that she could get all the housework done during the week. They eventually had 3 daughters, plus his wife had a part time job leading a kid’s exercise class. Once, the guy came to work furious because his wife didn’t get all the household chores done during the week and he had to make a run to the grocery store. You’d have thought she shot his dog. 

So maybe this guy grew up having to help with chores and decided that wasn’t for him. Wonder what his mom and sister think. 

He fell under the spell of republican Jesus.

[Tennesseer]

Looks like Butker won't be welcomed back any time soon.

Nuns of Benedictine College Condemn Harrison Butker and Say His Graduation Speech 'Fostered Division

The fallout from Harrison Butker’s controversial graduation speech continues to rage on, as nuns from Benedictine College join the list as the latest to condemn his words.

In a lengthy statement posted to Facebook, the nuns from Benedictine College publicly called out Butker’s speech, which was delivered during the college’s 2024 commencement ceremony.

“The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.” the statement read.

The nuns added that Butker’s words were divisive and the assertion that women should only be homemakers is false.

Rest of article here: Nuns of Benedictine College Condemn Harrison Butker and Say His Graduation Speech 'Fostered Division'

[busymom]

He should know better than to tick off nuns.  They don't get mad, they get even!  (The stories I've heard from my friends who attended Catholic school...)   

[Tennesseer]

May 18, 2024 10:49:57 GMT -5 busymom said:

He should know better than to tick off nuns.  They don't get mad, they get even!  (The stories I've heard from my friends who attended Catholic school...)   

Catholic grammar and high school survivor here. I watched my fifth grade teacher nun shove another of my classmates out of a second story window and hold him by his ankles so he would not fall for acting up.

[billisonboard]

The current difference between Kaepernick's and Butker's behavior is that Butker gave one speech off-field off-season while Kaepernick brought things on field during the season. If Butker were to continue behavior that coaches decide is detrimental to his and team performance, that would be grounds for his dismissal from the team. As it sits now, he simply voiced his view, a view IM(not so)HO that needs to be seriously negatively condemned.

[thyme4change]

Did anyone read or see the entire speech?

My husband did and was telling me about it. He said that the woman crap was the headline getter, but he was crazy conservative. He said that the Catholic Church has lost their way and all these good Catholic graduates should make going to a Latin mass was the only way. And if they were considering a job, they should turn it down if they wouldn’t be able to belong to a church that adhered to originalism

When you are too conservative for the Catholic Church, you have to be pretty damn conservative.

[Opti]

I see articles that both Bill Maher and Whoopi have supported his right to say what he said. I'm not surprised Bill Maher is shocked women are upset as he has no self-awareness in various areas.

But I am wondering why as a woman, I should be OK with the following statements?


I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you, how many of you are sitting here now about to cross the stage, and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you’re going to get in your career.

Let’s be honest, there is nothing good about playing God with having children, whether that be your ideal number or the perfect time to conceive. No matter how you spin it, there is nothing natural about Catholic birth control.


www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/here-s-harrison-butker-s-controversial-commencement-speech-in-full/ar-BB1mrkoR?ocid=BingNewsSerp

I find the playing God statement always ironic, because what human has yet fashioned a person out of clay or a rib? He thinks there should be no barriers to conception (male alert) but somehow is OK with unnatural things like helmets and cleats when he plays. Why is he not wearing leaves and bark like what happened originally? 

I'm not college age so I don't know if its usual or semiregular to be dreaming of future promotions or titles. But a man making lots of money who will never have to live as a woman would really make me angry. I did enjoy the fact he said we shouldn't tell clergy what to do, but preceded to tell some of them how they were falling short anyway. 

[Opti]

May 18, 2024 14:34:22 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Did anyone read or see the entire speech?

My husband did and was telling me about it. He said that the woman crap was the headline getter, but he was crazy conservative. He said that the Catholic Church has lost their way and all these good Catholic graduates should make going to a Latin mass was the only way. And if they were considering a job, they should turn it down if they wouldn’t be able to belong to a church that adhered to originalism

When you are too conservative for the Catholic Church, you have to be pretty damn conservative.

I just posted the link to the entire speech below. Unfortunately, you have to skim down quite a bit from summary and analysis paragraphs to get to it. I thought it was interesting that he thought Latin Mass should be a benchmark as its the language of those who conquered the Jews and by default the first Christians. Apparently Latin Mass became a thing around 395 AD (or some three digit number starting with 3) when Aramaic, Greek and other languages fell out of favor for Mass.

He also thinks that priests can fill their own well by themselves or its just going to pour down from God magically. He also opined on fatherless households believing violence was the result of lack of fathers in homes. I think life is way more complicated than that. Afghanistan and Palestine have rates at 1 and 2 percent whereas the US is something like 9 or 10 percent for absentee fathers. Anyone reading thinking to themselves I so would like to live in Gaza or Afghanistan because it is so safe?

[tallguy]

May 18, 2024 14:13:32 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The current difference between Kaepernick's and Butker's behavior is that Butker gave one speech off-field off-season while Kaepernick brought things on field during the season. If Butker were to continue behavior that coaches decide is detrimental to his and team performance, that would be grounds for his dismissal from the team. As it sits now, he simply voiced his view, a view IM(not so)HO that needs to be seriously negatively condemned.

I don't have a problem with Butker holding whatever views and opinions he wishes.  This is a free country, and one is allowed to be a silly, backwards, bigoted, male supremacist POS if they want to.  I do wish that those silly, backwards, bigoted, male supremacist POS people would just take that as a win and not feel like they have to propagate those beliefs in others.  I do very much have a problem with his expressing those beliefs in a commencement speech, thus ruining what should have been a very special moment for however many new graduates and their families.  That speech should have been about them, not Harrison Bigot's ideas for his desired version of society.

I would point out though that Colin Kaepernick did not at all seek out any publicity when he started his silent protest of standing away from the sideline during the national anthem.  Nobody even noticed it the first two weeks.  A reporter asked him about it after his third week.  He answered the question truthfully about what he was doing and why he was doing it.  The next week there were (I think) five players across the league who joined in support.  At that point, Donald Trump decided that he could further appeal to his basket of deplorables by casting Kaepernick as un-American.  THAT is the point that everything blew up in the press, and hundreds of players then joined in.  Additionally, the whole "taking a knee" thing was after talking with a former Green Beret (and Seahawk player) who persuaded Kaepernick that it would be a more respectful manner of protest.

On the scale of 1-100 as to who is worse for America, I would put Kaepernick at a 5, Butker around a 23, and Trump about a 9,500,000.

[tallguy]

May 18, 2024 14:42:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

I see articles that both Bill Maher and Whoopi have supported his right to say what he said. I'm not surprised Bill Maher is shocked women are upset as he has no self-awareness in various areas.

But I am wondering why as a woman, I should be OK with the following statements?


I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you, how many of you are sitting here now about to cross the stage, and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you’re going to get in your career.

Let’s be honest, there is nothing good about playing God with having children, whether that be your ideal number or the perfect time to conceive. No matter how you spin it, there is nothing natural about Catholic birth control.


www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/here-s-harrison-butker-s-controversial-commencement-speech-in-full/ar-BB1mrkoR?ocid=BingNewsSerp

I find the playing God statement always ironic, because what human has yet fashioned a person out of clay or a rib? He thinks there should be no barriers to conception (male alert) but somehow is OK with unnatural things like helmets and cleats when he plays. Why is he not wearing leaves and bark like what happened originally? 

I'm not college age so I don't know if its usual or semiregular to be dreaming of future promotions or titles. But a man making lots of money who will never have to live as a woman would really make me angry. I did enjoy the fact he said we shouldn't tell clergy what to do, but preceded to tell some of them how they were falling short anyway. 

Nobody is saying you have to be OK with it.  There is a huge difference between allowing speech and agreeing with it. One of our basic freedoms is the freedom of speech.  Within certain limits, we are allowed to speak out as we wish.  You've heard the saying: "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."  The only way to ensure freedoms for ourselves is to guarantee those same freedoms to others, and especially to those with whom we disagree.  Speak out against the same bigotry that Butker spoke in favor of.  That is your right, and mine.     

[billisonboard]

May 18, 2024 15:04:05 GMT -5 tallguy said:

May 18, 2024 14:13:32 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The current difference between Kaepernick's and Butker's behavior is that Butker gave one speech off-field off-season while Kaepernick brought things on field during the season. If Butker were to continue behavior that coaches decide is detrimental to his and team performance, that would be grounds for his dismissal from the team. As it sits now, he simply voiced his view, a view IM(not so)HO that needs to be seriously negatively condemned.

I don't have a problem with Butker holding whatever views and opinions he wishes.  This is a free country, and one is allowed to be a silly, backwards, bigoted, male supremacist POS if they want to.  I do wish that those silly, backwards, bigoted, male supremacist POS people would just take that as a win and not feel like they have to propagate those beliefs in others.  I do very much have a problem with his expressing those beliefs in a commencement speech, thus ruining what should have been a very special moment for however many new graduates and their families.  That speech should have been about them, not Harrison Bigot's ideas for his desired version of society.

I would point out though that Colin Kaepernick did not at all seek out any publicity when he started his silent protest of standing away from the sideline during the national anthem.  Nobody even noticed it the first two weeks.  A reporter asked him about it after his third week.  He answered the question truthfully about what he was doing and why he was doing it.  The next week there were (I think) five players across the league who joined in support.  At that point, Donald Trump decided that he could further appeal to his basket of deplorables by casting Kaepernick as un-American.  THAT is the point that everything blew up in the press, and hundreds of players then joined in.  Additionally, the whole "taking a knee" thing was after talking with a former Green Beret (and Seahawk player) who persuaded Kaepernick that it would be a more respectful manner of protest.

On the scale of 1-100 as to who is worse for America, I would put Kaepernick at a 5, Butker around a 23, and Trump about a 9,500,000.

Well stated and I agree.

[Opti]

May 18, 2024 15:14:22 GMT -5 tallguy said:

May 18, 2024 14:42:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

I see articles that both Bill Maher and Whoopi have supported his right to say what he said. I'm not surprised Bill Maher is shocked women are upset as he has no self-awareness in various areas.

But I am wondering why as a woman, I should be OK with the following statements?


I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you, how many of you are sitting here now about to cross the stage, and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you’re going to get in your career.

Let’s be honest, there is nothing good about playing God with having children, whether that be your ideal number or the perfect time to conceive. No matter how you spin it, there is nothing natural about Catholic birth control.


www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/here-s-harrison-butker-s-controversial-commencement-speech-in-full/ar-BB1mrkoR?ocid=BingNewsSerp

I find the playing God statement always ironic, because what human has yet fashioned a person out of clay or a rib? He thinks there should be no barriers to conception (male alert) but somehow is OK with unnatural things like helmets and cleats when he plays. Why is he not wearing leaves and bark like what happened originally? 

I'm not college age so I don't know if its usual or semiregular to be dreaming of future promotions or titles. But a man making lots of money who will never have to live as a woman would really make me angry. I did enjoy the fact he said we shouldn't tell clergy what to do, but preceded to tell some of them how they were falling short anyway. 

Nobody is saying you have to be OK with it.  There is a huge difference between allowing speech and agreeing with it. One of our basic freedoms is the freedom of speech.  Within certain limits, we are allowed to speak out as we wish.  You've heard the saying: "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."  The only way to ensure freedoms for ourselves is to guarantee those same freedoms to others, and especially to those with whom we disagree.  Speak out against the same bigotry that Butker spoke in favor of.  That is your right, and mine.     

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Bill Maher actually stated in multiple articles and interviews that he does not understand why women are upset. So in my mind he is saying that. YMMV.

[tallguy]

May 18, 2024 16:41:29 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 18, 2024 15:14:22 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nobody is saying you have to be OK with it.  There is a huge difference between allowing speech and agreeing with it. One of our basic freedoms is the freedom of speech.  Within certain limits, we are allowed to speak out as we wish.  You've heard the saying: "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."  The only way to ensure freedoms for ourselves is to guarantee those same freedoms to others, and especially to those with whom we disagree.  Speak out against the same bigotry that Butker spoke in favor of.  That is your right, and mine.     

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Bill Maher actually stated in multiple articles and interviews that he does not understand why women are upset. So in my mind he is saying that. YMMV.

Not at all sure what the YMMV means in this context and why you felt the need to add it, but it doesn't belong.  I am very clear in my disapproval of the content of Butker's speech.  I responded to YOUR post that stated:

I see articles that both Bill Maher and Whoopi have supported his right to say what he said.

As a proponent of the right of free speech, I support it for all.  I have to in order to be both logically and ideologically consistent.  Hence my response.
If you are now saying that you meant something different than what you said originally, why are you assuming some issue with me and my response?  I have no idea what Maher said, or what he thinks.  I responded only to what you posted.  Why are you seemingly assuming that I agree with your interpretation of Maher and condone it, or that I do not understand why women would be upset?  Your failure to be clear originally is your issue, not mine. 

Should have stopped after the third sentence.  Would have been even better to have stopped after the second.  

[thyme4change]

Bill Maher sucks.

[dondubble]

May 19, 2024 10:05:20 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Bill Maher sucks.

I don’t think so.

[busymom]

The guys who complain about women using birth control are the same guys who whine about families needing financial help because they have more mouths to feed than they can afford.  So, which will it be?  Will you provide food and help for these large families, or will you be ok with women using birth control so they have the ability to limit the number of children they have?  You can't have it both ways.  

[pulmonarymd]

You aren't asking for intellectual consistency for these people. If they were using their brain, they wouldn't be conservative. This is all emotion based. They don't want things to change.

[andi9899]

Conservatives are bragging that his jersey is selling like hotcakes. That would be a lie. I live here and have never seen a Butker jersey. For kicks I went online to see if I could find one. All I found was bootleg ones on questionable sites.

[thyme4change]

May 19, 2024 11:54:12 GMT -5 busymom said:

The guys who complain about women using birth control are the same guys who whine about families needing financial help because they have more mouths to feed than they can afford.  So, which will it be?  Will you provide food and help for these large families, or will you be ok with women using birth control so they have the ability to limit the number of children they have?  You can't have it both ways.  

Sex is only for rich people.

[busymom]

May 19, 2024 16:25:21 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

May 19, 2024 11:54:12 GMT -5 busymom said:

The guys who complain about women using birth control are the same guys who whine about families needing financial help because they have more mouths to feed than they can afford.  So, which will it be?  Will you provide food and help for these large families, or will you be ok with women using birth control so they have the ability to limit the number of children they have?  You can't have it both ways.  

Sex is only for rich people.

    <snort>  So are babies.  You pay other people to have them for you, then pay a nanny so you don't have to deal with raising them.  Look how well the Trump kids have turned out.     (I rolled my eyes so hard that I saw the back of my head.)

[dondubble]

May 19, 2024 10:05:20 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Bill Maher sucks.

Interesting opinion piece about Bill by Maureen Dowd I. Today Sunday NY Times.