The hypocritical reason Harrison Butker won’t get the...

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May 19, 2024 18:18:56 GMT -5 dondubble said:

May 19, 2024 10:05:20 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Bill Maher sucks.

Interesting opinion piece about Bill by Maureen Dowd I. Today Sunday NY Times.

I did read it and I think he is in the spotlight somewhat because of the pro Palestine demonstrations that happened on college campuses. I do feel he is harsher on women at times and like many male commentators oblivious that this wasn't just a women can have a career or stay home type deals. It was a speech meant to glorify women staying home and supporting their man like Harrison]s wife does. No one seemed to notice that Butker did not even have any male specific advice to the men like how to be a good Christian husband and man. 

Bill was a Covid vaccine denier until he needed to get one and eventually it did help him get through a case of Covid quicker and easier. But if my recent article timeline was correct, he still believes that we should have been giving Covid immunity more of a chance like he said happened in Europe. European countries are smaller than the US. Not sure he noticed Italy was heavily hit on the leaderboard early and it did not give them great low Covid stats after. Sweden's policy to me was more of a cautionary tale than a success.

I think Bill Maher has changed but given his interviews I don't think he realizes it. He was harsh and mocking to many of those in his film about religion but now is supporting the right of a really conservative rich white male? I feel Maher was more aware of people's pain when he was younger and less wealthy. 

[thyme4change]

After hearing so much about the speech, I read it. Holy shit - the mother/wife part was not even the worst of it.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

It all comes back to the Bears vs Man.  

If I was a woman who was wholly dependent upon a ban for my livelihood, knowing if he got a bug up his butt and decided he didn't want to be married anymore, I'd be SOL.  If you are a woman who stays home 20 years raising children, getting your foot in the workplace would be damn near impossible.  You *might* be able to score a min wage job, but that doesn't come close to being a salary to support a family - even with child support.  So why in the hell would ANY woman leave herself without some sort of safety net under her?  Demand an ironclad prenup that if he divorces her, that she gets 50% of his salary for the rest of her life, even after the children are gone?

Just looking at what it took for my educated sister to get her foot back into the workforce after she stepped out WITH working experience.  She now is making a decent salary, but she has had resources and a net.  Grooming these women to be only wives and mothers?  

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The Chiefs of course haven't made an official statement. The owner's wife of course agreed with him because she's a trad wife. I told you guys he wouldn't catch hell for it outside of people being outraged. Colin Kaepernik got ousted for standing up for POC against police brutality. A white man tells women to shut their mouth and cook while also shitting on the LGBTQ community and crickets.

[pulmonarymd]

He is one of the best players at his position in a game where performance matters. They will accept him as long as his performance dictates. Ray Lewis was tried for murder. He is in the Hall of Fame. The response to what Butker did will , in part depend upon if he keeps his mouth shut or if he continues with the high profile. If te doesn’t shut up, he will be dumped as soon as his value no longer is justified by his performance. Sports is a cynical thing. As long as you are better than your competition, you can be as much of an ass as you want. Once you aren’t, you are thrown aside for the “, team player” guy

[billisonboard]

The Kaepernick saga played out for an extended period of time. This has been about two weeks. Butker just now gave follow-up fodder. I will be curious to see how things play out. 

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May 26, 2024 17:11:13 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The Kaepernick saga played out for an extended period of time. This has been about two weeks. Butker just now gave follow-up fodder. I will be curious to see how things play out. 

Kaepernick was not as good at his position as Butker is. Quarterback is a far more visible position. Most casual fans have no idea who the kickers are, but they recognize quarterbacks. Although what Butker said was controversial, for who the NFL thinks of their hardcore fan, Kaepernick was far more of a problem for revenue, especially when you get outside of the northeast and west coast. Butker needs to be more controversial, stay in the spotlight much longer, or have some effect on the Chiefs revenue, which I doubt he will have. I do not believe he is going to have anything to worry about in the short term. Not until his performance declines

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Butker has been a top 5 kicker over the last 5 years and said what he did at a graduation speech.  Kaepernick was a backup QB who thought he deserved to be a starter and took a knee on a game day.  Athletes, actors and so on have used their position to spread their message or beliefs since forever and that's their right.  Doing it on the clock vs. off are generally two different things but of course certain things off the clock could and should cost someone their job.  Butker saying what he did may be ass backwards but it isn't grounds for him losing his job.  Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce among others defender Butker's right to say what he did.  I'm sure if he has a down year the team will have no problem moving on from him especially if he's any kind of a distraction during the season. 

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May 26, 2024 18:50:31 GMT -5 souldoubt said:

Butker has been a top 5 kicker over the last 5 years and said what he did at a graduation speech.  Kaepernick was a backup QB who thought he deserved to be a starter and took a knee on a game day.  Athletes, actors and so on have used their position to spread their message or beliefs since forever and that's their right.  Doing it on the clock vs. off are generally two different things but of course certain things off the clock could and should cost someone their job.  Butker saying what he did may be ass backwards but it isn't grounds for him losing his job.  Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce among others defender Butker's right to say what he did.  I'm sure if he has a down year the team will have no problem moving on from him especially if he's any kind of a distraction during the season. 

The bolded is not true. He became a starter halfway through his second season in the league. Started every game the next two seasons. Was a starter the beginning of the next seasons before injuries sidelined him. Changes in coaching staff made him a mismatch for the 49ers the next season. link

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May 26, 2024 19:25:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 26, 2024 18:50:31 GMT -5 souldoubt said:

Butker has been a top 5 kicker over the last 5 years and said what he did at a graduation speech.  Kaepernick was a backup QB who thought he deserved to be a starter and took a knee on a game day.  Athletes, actors and so on have used their position to spread their message or beliefs since forever and that's their right.  Doing it on the clock vs. off are generally two different things but of course certain things off the clock could and should cost someone their job.  Butker saying what he did may be ass backwards but it isn't grounds for him losing his job.  Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce among others defender Butker's right to say what he did.  I'm sure if he has a down year the team will have no problem moving on from him especially if he's any kind of a distraction during the season. 

The bolded is not true. He became a starter halfway through his second season in the league. Started every game the next two seasons. Was a starter the beginning of the next seasons before injuries sidelined him. Changes in coaching staff made him a mismatch for the 49ers the next season. link

The niners won 5 games in 2015 and 2 in 2016. In 2015 he ranked 29 out of 32 qualified starting QBs and in 2016 he ranked 23 out of 30 in QBR both years having a rating below average. He wasn’t a mismatch for the 49’ers the league had figured him out and he couldn’t adjust. Teams defended him the same way they always do running QBs - have someone shadow him to keep him in the pocket and make him pass while he wasn’t an accurate passer. His nickname those last few years in San Fran was “sack or pick.” He started kneeling in pre-season 2016 at which point he was one of the worst starting QBs in the league, i.e. a back up. He had offers to be a back QB after 2016 and turned them down because he thought he was better than he was and he claimed the league blackballed him. If he produced he would have had a job. You can direct me to Wikipedia all you want I’ve followed the league regularly for decades. Watched him run all over GB in the playoffs when he led the niners to the Super Bowl in 2013 then watched the league make adjustments to him.

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May 26, 2024 19:55:08 GMT -5 souldoubt said:

May 26, 2024 19:25:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The bolded is not true. He became a starter halfway through his second season in the league. Started every game the next two seasons. Was a starter the beginning of the next seasons before injuries sidelined him. Changes in coaching staff made him a mismatch for the 49ers the next season. link

The niners won 5 games in 2015 and 2 in 2016. In 2015 he ranked 29 out of 32 qualified starting QBs and in 2016 he ranked 23 out of 30 in QBR both years having a rating below average. He wasn’t a mismatch for the 49’ers the league had figured him out and he couldn’t adjust. Teams defended him the same way they always do running QBs - have someone shadow him to keep him in the pocket and make him pass while he wasn’t an accurate passer. His nickname those last few years in San Fran was “sack or pick.” He started kneeling in pre-season 2016 at which point he was one of the worst starting QBs in the league, i.e. a back up. He had offers to be a back QB after 2016 and turned them down because he thought he was better than he was and he claimed the league blackballed him. If he produced he would have had a job. You can direct me to Wikipedia all you want I’ve followed the league regularly for decades. Watched him run all over GB in the playoffs when he led the niners to the Super Bowl in 2013 then watched the league make adjustments to him.

I obviously don't follow it closely enough.