I wonder why this didn’t make the press?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Check out the events that happened on the container ship that ran into the bridge in Baltimore.  This Captain of this ship had 4 minutes, and the first call he made was to the harbor to get the bridge closed NOW.  

How much worse would this tragedy have been had they not done so?  

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[toomuchreality]

Well done!

[billisonboard]

Story in the press from a couple of days ago: www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/03/28/baltimore-bridge-collapse-dali-ship-timeline-audio-recording/73138004007/

The timeline provided by federal officials provides the most detailed account yet of the moments leading up to the disaster and will be the focus for investigators as they try to understand what caused the tragedy — and how it could be prevented:

Muise said several alarms were heard on the recording just before 1:25 a.m., followed about a minute later by steering commands and rudder orders.
At 1:26:39 a.m., the pilot on duty made a radio call for assistance to tug boats in the area, and 45 seconds later ordered the port anchor dropped.
At 1:27:25 a.m., the pilot said on a radio call that Dali had lost power and was nearing the bridge. Around that same time, the officer on duty for the Maryland Transportation Authority told officers who were at both ends of the bridge for the road repairs to close traffic, which likely saved lives.
At 1:29:33 a.m., as the powerless Dali was drifting at 8 mph, the VDR recorded "sounds consistent with the collision of the bridge," Muise said. Six seconds later, the pilot reported to the Coast Guard that the bridge was down.

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Great job by whoever the operator, police officers, and MDOT, who were handling this.  Doesn't seem like there was any question or hesitation.  Just shut it down and figure out what is going on later.  That quick acting definitely saved lives.  

[daisylu]

It is in the press, but no one believes it. I grew up in the area. My family has worked the port for generations, so I know first hand how protective port employees are in this area. 

No one wants to hear that there was a harbor master on board (as is standard in the port). No one wants to hear that a distress signal was sent out. No one wants to hear that the anchor was dropped. No one wants to hear that this is not stagnant water. 

People who don't know a f*cking thing are looking for conspiracies. I keep refuting them and getting blocked. At this point, I am tired of fighting the unknowledgeable. It does not matter anyhow and I am tired of fighting the assholes.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Good points daisylu . I too grew up in the area and still use the bridge. I was impressed how the emergency procedures were started in such a short time frame. I think it was 90 seconds for traffic to get stopped and anchor deployed.  

[daisylu]

Mar 30, 2024 18:20:38 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Good points daisylu . I too grew up in the area and still use the bridge. I was impressed how the emergency procedures were started in such a short time frame. I think it was 90 seconds for traffic to get stopped and anchor deployed.  

The funniest posts I have seen comment on how did someone knew to record at that exact moment.  This is a major US port that is costing @$15M/day by being shut down. People don't think that the port has cameras everywhere watching everything? I assume that cameras are watching me everywhere I go - whether it be government or personal cameras. 

[toomuchreality]

Mar 30, 2024 18:33:25 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Mar 30, 2024 18:20:38 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Good points daisylu . I too grew up in the area and still use the bridge. I was impressed how the emergency procedures were started in such a short time frame. I think it was 90 seconds for traffic to get stopped and anchor deployed.  

The funniest posts I have seen comment on how did someone knew to record at that exact moment.  This is a major US port that is costing @$15M/day by being shut down. People don't think that the port has cameras everywhere watching everything? I assume that cameras are watching me everywhere I go - whether it be government or personal cameras. 

Right?
I'm more surprised when there aren't cameras, then I am when there are.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Mar 30, 2024 18:33:25 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Mar 30, 2024 18:20:38 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Good points daisylu . I too grew up in the area and still use the bridge. I was impressed how the emergency procedures were started in such a short time frame. I think it was 90 seconds for traffic to get stopped and anchor deployed.  

The funniest posts I have seen comment on how did someone knew to record at that exact moment.  This is a major US port that is costing @$15M/day by being shut down. People don't think that the port has cameras everywhere watching everything? I assume that cameras are watching me everywhere I go - whether it be government or personal cameras. 

I have been in and out of a lot of ports recently.  There is no doubt in my mind that there are cameras everywhere filming everything.  

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Mar 30, 2024 17:16:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

It is in the press, but no one believes it. I grew up in the area. My family has worked the port for generations, so I know first hand how protective port employees are in this area. 

No one wants to hear that there was a harbor master on board (as is standard in the port). No one wants to hear that a distress signal was sent out. No one wants to hear that the anchor was dropped. No one wants to hear that this is not stagnant water. 

People who don't know a f*cking thing are looking for conspiracies. I keep refuting them and getting blocked. At this point, I am tired of fighting the unknowledgeable. It does not matter anyhow and I am tired of fighting the assholes.

Yep.  I have watched them board and leave.  I think they are nuts, but that’s what they do.  If they can’t board, we don’t dock, simple as that.

It was very clear from this that the first thing done was to avoid loss of lives.  The 6 construction workers on the bridge really didn’t have a chance to get off a 1.6 mile bridge in 3 minutes.  Someone on another group I’m on stated that they’d have gotten off if they were not immigrants.  Logically, exactly how?

[daisylu]

Mar 30, 2024 20:49:03 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Mar 30, 2024 17:16:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

It is in the press, but no one believes it. I grew up in the area. My family has worked the port for generations, so I know first hand how protective port employees are in this area. 

No one wants to hear that there was a harbor master on board (as is standard in the port). No one wants to hear that a distress signal was sent out. No one wants to hear that the anchor was dropped. No one wants to hear that this is not stagnant water. 

People who don't know a f*cking thing are looking for conspiracies. I keep refuting them and getting blocked. At this point, I am tired of fighting the unknowledgeable. It does not matter anyhow and I am tired of fighting the assholes.

Yep.  I have watched them board and leave.  I think they are nuts, but that’s what they do.  If they can’t board, we don’t dock, simple as that.

It was very clear from this that the first thing done was to avoid loss of lives.  The 6 construction workers on the bridge really didn’t have a chance to get off a 1.6 mile bridge in 3 minutes.  Someone on another group I’m on stated that they’d have gotten off if they were not immigrants.  Logically, exactly how?

Seriously? I'd ask them if they could run over a mile in 90 seconds. 

[pulmonarymd]

The problem is you are using logic responding to idiots. They no longer care about the truth. As long as then can say something stupid that confirms the MAGA idiots world view, it works. If logic worked, we wouldn’t have Congress people calling the January 6 rioters “normal tourists” and have Fox News and MAGA idiots regurgitate it. 30% of us no longer believe in truth, democracy, the tule of law, or logic, so every yime something like this happens we have these ridiculous responses. Hopefully the republicans lose the next election and lose the house and senate. Maybe that will make the ones who haven’t yet gone off the deep end reconsider their positions.

Did you see that republicans don’t want to use federal funds to fix this? We should hold up all hurricane relief when Florida and Texas get hit by one if we no longer want the federal government to help pay for disasters

[daisylu]

Mar 30, 2024 21:12:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The problem is you are using logic responding to idiots. They no longer care about the truth. As long as then can say something stupid that confirms the MAGA idiots world view, it works. If logic worked, we wouldn’t have Congress people calling the January 6 rioters “normal tourists” and have Fox News and MAGA idiots regurgitate it. 30% of us no longer believe in truth, democracy, the tule of law, or logic, so every yime something like this happens we have these ridiculous responses. Hopefully the republicans lose the next election and lose the house and senate. Maybe that will make the ones who haven’t yet gone off the deep end reconsider their positions.

Did you see that republicans don’t want to use federal funds to fix this? We should hold up all hurricane relief when Florida and Texas get hit by one if we no longer want the federal government to help pay for disasters

Repubs hate Maryland so I'm not surprised. Every day that port is shut down is crippling to the economy. 

[pulmonarymd]

The people in the farm states will feel this since that port handles the heavy equipment they use. But those consequences require people to actually think about the issues instead of trying to score points. That is too much to expect of MAGA idiots

[Tennesseer]

The MAGA world's bridge conspiracies highlight an incredibly dark reality
Tuesday's tragedy was just another horrifying day in the perverse MAGA universe.

Early Tuesday morning, a 948-foot containership plowed into Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge, which quickly collapsed. Rescue teams spent much of the day searching for victims and survivors. While the region grappled with the human and economic cost of the catastrophe, President Joe Biden and his Cabinet pledged to help local leaders rebuild.

For most Americans it was a breathtaking disaster and human tragedy. But far-right conspiracy theorists saw it as an opportunity.

In a rapid flood of social media posts, politicians and “pundits” insisted that the disaster could not have simply been an accident. It was somehow Biden’s fault, or the fault of immigrants, or the result of a terrorist attack. Without evidence, they blamed “drug-addled” employees, diversity policies, Israel and even the recent infrastructure bill.

Many of the usual suspects weighed in, moving seamlessly from one big lie to another. Think of this week’s constellation of psychosis as an outgrowth of Bridge Denialism.

Fox News host Maria Bartiromo (whose election lies figured prominently in Dominion’s $787 million defamation lawsuit) tried to link the bridge collapse to what she called “the wide-open border.” Rep. Nancy Mace, R-S.C., who voted against the 2021 infrastructure bill, appeared on Newsmax to complain that the Biden administration did not spend more money on bridge infrastructure. (Perhaps more hypocrisy than denial, but I digress.)

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., took to X to muse: “Is this an intentional attack or an accident?” This despite Baltimore Police Commissioner Richard Worley stating unequivocally that “there is absolutely no indication that there’s any terrorism, or that this was done on purpose.”

None of this dissuaded the right’s most feculent conspiracist, Alex Jones, from declaring the accident an attack. “Looks deliberate to me,” he posted on X. “A cyber-attack is probable. WW3 has already started.”

Lara Logan, the former CBS correspondent who has drifted to the far edges of the fever swamps, was also quick to weigh in. Logan, who once promoted comparisons between Dr. Anthony Fauci and Nazi physician and murderer Josef Mengele, claimed on X that “Multiple intel sources” were telling her that the bridge collapse “was an ‘absolutely brilliant strategic attack’” on U.S. infrastructure. Striking an apocalyptic tone, she claimed with zero evidence that “our intel agencies know” about the attack and that the U.S. has just been divided “along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.”

And she, via her unnamed "sources," blamed Barack Obama.

Rest of article here: The MAGA world's bridge conspiracies highlight an incredibly dark reality

[Opti]

Mar 30, 2024 21:00:12 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Mar 30, 2024 20:49:03 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Yep.  I have watched them board and leave.  I think they are nuts, but that’s what they do.  If they can’t board, we don’t dock, simple as that.

It was very clear from this that the first thing done was to avoid loss of lives.  The 6 construction workers on the bridge really didn’t have a chance to get off a 1.6 mile bridge in 3 minutes.  Someone on another group I’m on stated that they’d have gotten off if they were not immigrants.  Logically, exactly how?

Seriously? I'd ask them if they could run over a mile in 90 seconds. 

A coworker was a little surprised when I told them the anchor was dropped. That ship was very heavy, that momentum doesn't disappear immediately but far too many people think it should have.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Mar 31, 2024 8:24:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 30, 2024 21:00:12 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Seriously? I'd ask them if they could run over a mile in 90 seconds. 

A coworker was a little surprised when I told them the anchor was dropped. That ship was very heavy, that momentum doesn't disappear immediately but far too many people think it should have.

People like this need to get a visual of how long and how far it takes a semi to come to a full stop after a hard brake. That should be a good comparison that can be seen in person.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I love our governors response to a CNN reporters question.

‘I have no time for foolishness’: Maryland Gov. on some in GOP blaming bridge collapse on diversity policies



Maryland Gov. Wes Moore joins CNN’s Dana Bash to respond to baseless criticism from some Republicans that diversity policies are to blame for the Baltimore bridge collapse. 

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 31, 2024 13:59:21 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Mar 31, 2024 8:24:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

A coworker was a little surprised when I told them the anchor was dropped. That ship was very heavy, that momentum doesn't disappear immediately but far too many people think it should have.

People like this need to get a visual of how long and how far it takes a semi to come to a full stop after a hard brake. That should be a good comparison that can be seen in person.

Given the scientific illiteracy in this country, you are fighting a losing battle. Understand physics? You would have better luck explaining the offsides rule in soccer.

Those of us who like science are ridiculed as nerds and were endlessly mocked growing up. This is just the adult version of it. Understanding science makes you question your worldview. Can’t have that

[chiver78]

Mar 30, 2024 4:03:22 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Check out the events that happened on the container ship that ran into the bridge in Baltimore.  This Captain of this ship had 4 minutes, and the first call he made was to the harbor to get the bridge closed NOW.  

How much worse would this tragedy have been had they not done so?  

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1773733488295882896.html?fbclid=IwAR1Gt9HTk9HTwD67SzBs1vogIceQZZGD5-XfNeinrvuJ3dXRWjw8jRYuLnU_aem_AQJi6GGXHp-diTQo9NV5hFdyzCN4lBABj9ngorjJW7RJCzqzXFGy9ZBcNUfnqWCRtCoLJWNgaN5PIKd2Br8efSxl

I thought I heard about this on the news. maybe reading the news somewhere? I definitely watched an interview this morning with a guy who was driving one of the last cars to cross that bridge before the ship hit. he's a baker and was going from one job to another. the video that was shown in the interview clip showed two vehicles crossing the impact spot with the ship below. it was chilling 

[chiver78]

Mar 30, 2024 17:16:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

It is in the press, but no one believes it. I grew up in the area. My family has worked the port for generations, so I know first hand how protective port employees are in this area. 

No one wants to hear that there was a harbor master on board (as is standard in the port). No one wants to hear that a distress signal was sent out. No one wants to hear that the anchor was dropped. No one wants to hear that this is not stagnant water. 

People who don't know a f*cking thing are looking for conspiracies. I keep refuting them and getting blocked. At this point, I am tired of fighting the unknowledgeable. It does not matter anyhow and I am tired of fighting the assholes.

as someone who works on product/market launches of pharmaceuticals who fully understands the process of approving meds to be available to market, during COVID vax season.....I feel all of your pain. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Mar 31, 2024 15:06:51 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Mar 31, 2024 13:59:21 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

People like this need to get a visual of how long and how far it takes a semi to come to a full stop after a hard brake. That should be a good comparison that can be seen in person.

Given the scientific illiteracy in this country, you are fighting a losing battle. Understand physics? You would have better luck explaining the offsides rule in soccer.

Those of us who like science are ridiculed as nerds and were endlessly mocked growing up. This is just the adult version of it. Understanding science makes you question your worldview. Can’t have that

Entirely too true.  The other night at dinner TD and I were listening to a loud couple at the next table who was extolling all the ways Covid was a hoax.  Under my breath, I was explaining the logic.  TD dragged me out before the talking overrode my blood pressure meds!  

Sadly, they were talking to an Australian couple who just give noncommittal answers.  I don’t think they bought the BS.   

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Mar 31, 2024 15:30:41 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Mar 30, 2024 17:16:51 GMT -5 daisylu said:

It is in the press, but no one believes it. I grew up in the area. My family has worked the port for generations, so I know first hand how protective port employees are in this area. 

No one wants to hear that there was a harbor master on board (as is standard in the port). No one wants to hear that a distress signal was sent out. No one wants to hear that the anchor was dropped. No one wants to hear that this is not stagnant water. 

People who don't know a f*cking thing are looking for conspiracies. I keep refuting them and getting blocked. At this point, I am tired of fighting the unknowledgeable. It does not matter anyhow and I am tired of fighting the assholes.

as someone who works on product/market launches of pharmaceuticals who fully understands the process of approving meds to be available to market, during COVID vax season.....I feel all of your pain. 

Then you’ll appreciate this.  We were out for dinner one night, including my sister.  She has thyroid issues, easily controlled by cheap meds.  She thinks that if onl6 doctors would do the testing to track down why her thyroid is wonky, she could easily fix it with a supplement.  

The idea of spending thousands of $$ for testing that will likely turn up nothing when she could take a prescription that costs her $40/year is a big conspiracy on the pharmaceutical company’s part.  Then she said that ‘people just don’t want to research this’.  I couldn’t get it through her head that the limited money for research was better spent on things that aren’t easily solvable.  That went waaaay over her head.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 1, 2024 4:16:50 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Mar 31, 2024 15:30:41 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

as someone who works on product/market launches of pharmaceuticals who fully understands the process of approving meds to be available to market, during COVID vax season.....I feel all of your pain. 

Then you’ll appreciate this.  We were out for dinner one night, including my sister.  She has thyroid issues, easily controlled by cheap meds.  She thinks that if onl6 doctors would do the testing to track down why her thyroid is wonky, she could easily fix it with a supplement.  

The idea of spending thousands of $$ for testing that will likely turn up nothing when she could take a prescription that costs her $40/year is a big conspiracy on the pharmaceutical company’s part.  Then she said that ‘people just don’t want to research this’.  I couldn’t get it through her head that the limited money for research was better spent on things that aren’t easily solvable.  That went waaaay over her head.

Yes, the whole “I don’t like medicines” garbage. Yet, the same people will take innumerable crap marketed as”supplements”, and when asked what they do, have no answer. Notwithstanding the fact that they likely do nothing, if they did work, they would be considered “medicine”. And don’t get me started on Ozempic. People are knocking down the doors to take something that costs $1000/month, has unknown life no term side effects, and probably needs to be taken forever to maintain the weight loss. But we won’t take a vaccine which is hundreds of times safer because it’s “too new”

[chiver78]

oy.

[wvugurl26]

It all makes sense to me now. The same people claiming all this nonsense are the same ones who would make fun of me in school for having good grades, being in honors/accelerated classes, not being trouble, etc.

[engineerdoe]

Apr 1, 2024 4:16:50 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Mar 31, 2024 15:30:41 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

as someone who works on product/market launches of pharmaceuticals who fully understands the process of approving meds to be available to market, during COVID vax season.....I feel all of your pain. 

Then you’ll appreciate this.  We were out for dinner one night, including my sister.  She has thyroid issues, easily controlled by cheap meds.  She thinks that if onl6 doctors would do the testing to track down why her thyroid is wonky, she could easily fix it with a supplement.  

The idea of spending thousands of $$ for testing that will likely turn up nothing when she could take a prescription that costs her $40/year is a big conspiracy on the pharmaceutical company’s part.  Then she said that ‘people just don’t want to research this’.  I couldn’t get it through her head that the limited money for research was better spent on things that aren’t easily solvable.  That went waaaay over her head.

 Her thyroid medicine is the supplement.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Apr 1, 2024 7:20:33 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

It all makes sense to me now. The same people claiming all this nonsense are the same ones who would make fun of me in school for having good grades, being in honors/accelerated classes, not being trouble, etc.

This is what is sad.  My sister didn’t used to be like this (and she was one of the smart kids).  This has really intensified since Covid and now everything is a conspiracy.  

[bean29]

Mar 30, 2024 21:12:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The problem is you are using logic responding to idiots. They no longer care about the truth. As long as then can say something stupid that confirms the MAGA idiots world view, it works. If logic worked, we wouldn’t have Congress people calling the January 6 rioters “normal tourists” and have Fox News and MAGA idiots regurgitate it. 30% of us no longer believe in truth, democracy, the tule of law, or logic, so every yime something like this happens we have these ridiculous responses. Hopefully the republicans lose the next election and lose the house and senate. Maybe that will make the ones who haven’t yet gone off the deep end reconsider their positions.

Did you see that republicans don’t want to use federal funds to fix this? We should hold up all hurricane relief when Florida and Texas get hit by one if we no longer want the federal government to help pay for disasters

Actually, it might be blatant self-interest.  The Baltimore Port is the largest, but Jacksonville was one that was mentioned to pick up some of the Shipping Traffic.  Obviously, we need to start the cleanup and Engineering for the new bridge immediately, we can't wait for court cases and insurance settlements.  The bridge will probably be rebuilt before the finances are settled. It is the largest port handling Automobiles and parts.  With the % of foreign parts in our automobiles, if they don't get down to business asap, there could be dire economic consequences.

Like you said MAGA and logic don't go hand in hand.  

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 2, 2024 11:24:07 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Mar 30, 2024 21:12:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The problem is you are using logic responding to idiots. They no longer care about the truth. As long as then can say something stupid that confirms the MAGA idiots world view, it works. If logic worked, we wouldn’t have Congress people calling the January 6 rioters “normal tourists” and have Fox News and MAGA idiots regurgitate it. 30% of us no longer believe in truth, democracy, the tule of law, or logic, so every yime something like this happens we have these ridiculous responses. Hopefully the republicans lose the next election and lose the house and senate. Maybe that will make the ones who haven’t yet gone off the deep end reconsider their positions.

Did you see that republicans don’t want to use federal funds to fix this? We should hold up all hurricane relief when Florida and Texas get hit by one if we no longer want the federal government to help pay for disasters

Actually, it might be blatant self-interest.  The Baltimore Port is the largest, but Jacksonville was one that was mentioned to pick up some of the Shipping Traffic.  Obviously, we need to start the cleanup and Engineering for the new bridge immediately, we can't wait for court cases and insurance settlements.  The bridge will probably be rebuilt before the finances are settled. It is the largest port handling Automobiles and parts.  With the % of foreign parts in our automobiles, if they don't get down to business asap, there could be dire economic consequences.

Like you said MAGA and logic don't go hand in hand.  

Maybe, but the rep who said it is from PA. You would think he would want it rebuilt as quickly as possible since the economy of PA and MD are intertwined. But I guess he would rather ports further south get the business. So much for looking out for your constituents