Alabama’s embryos ruling is a terrifying preview of...

[grumpyhermit]

Feb 28, 2024 20:29:36 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Heard just a piece of a NPR radio interview with the Alabama politician who launched the whole ‘a fetus is equivalent to a child’ thing - he said when he did it, he ‘had no idea how many of them there are in Alabama’ - by which I assume he meant fetuses. He said he didn’t mean just ‘fetuses’ but ‘fetuses within a womb.’

Probably IVF never crossed his mind. Probably someone had to explain it to him, after the fact.

That’s what happens when politicians try to write healthcare laws.

They are so stupid and short sighted, and have so much power. It's truly depressing.

I put more thought into crafting little nothing polices at my job then these idiots do passing laws with broad and far reaching impact.

[thyme4change]

That was fast. I guess they didn’t like the negative attention.

abcnews.go.com/Politics/alabama-house-passes-bill-ensure-ivf-access-after/story?id=107689399

Alabama Legislature passes bill to ensure IVF access after court ruled embryos are children

The Alabama House of Representatives and Senate have passed legislation to restore access to in vitro fertilization after a controversial state Supreme Court ruling that embryos are children raised questions about the treatment in Alabama.

Thursday's vote, which was 94-6 with three abstentions in the House and unanimous in the Senate, completes another step in a process that is ultimately expected to finish up late next week with Gov. Kay Ivey signing the bill into law.

Within days of the state court's decision earlier this month, roughly half of Alabama's IVF clinics paused treatment for fear that they could face wrongful death lawsuits or potentially criminal charges for discarding unused embryos, a routine part of IVF.

But the proposal, if enacted, would provide civil and criminal immunity "for death or damage" to an embryo as part of IVF services.

Doctors at the clinics that have paused treatments have told ABC News the language being considered will give them enough reassurance to resume IVF twithout facing legal risks.

The legislation will face additional votes in the Alabama House and Senate next week

Lawmakers have told ABC News that they have reached consensus and don't expect hiccups in the process at this stage.

If a lawmaker were to introduce an amendment, the timeline could be delayed. But at this point, none are expected.

[Tennesseer]

[Tennesseer]

A slideshow from The Onion.

Women Explain How They’d Like To Have Their Bodies Restricted Next

[Tiny]

abcnews.go.com/Politics/alabama-house-passes-bill-ensure-ivf-access-after/story?id=107689399


But the proposal, if enacted, would provide civil and criminal immunity "for death or damage" to an embryo as part of IVF services.

Huh, so a clump of cells is only a "baby" if it's in a woman's womb

Isn't that further proof that all of this legislation isn't about a baby or even when life begins - but about taking rights away from women?

Women aren't equal and don't deserve the same rights as men....

[raeoflyte]

Mar 4, 2024 17:21:39 GMT -5 Tiny said:

abcnews.go.com/Politics/alabama-house-passes-bill-ensure-ivf-access-after/story?id=107689399


But the proposal, if enacted, would provide civil and criminal immunity "for death or damage" to an embryo as part of IVF services.

Huh, so a clump of cells is only a "baby" if it's in a woman's womb

Isn't that further proof that all of this legislation isn't about a baby or even when life begins - but about taking rights away from women?

Women aren't equal and don't deserve the same rights as men....

Exactly.

I wish the IVF clinics would refuse to reopen based on hypocrisy and confusion.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Mar 6, 2024 8:44:37 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Mar 4, 2024 17:21:39 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Huh, so a clump of cells is only a "baby" if it's in a woman's womb

Isn't that further proof that all of this legislation isn't about a baby or even when life begins - but about taking rights away from women?

Women aren't equal and don't deserve the same rights as men....

Exactly.

I wish the IVF clinics would refuse to reopen based on hypocrisy and confusion.

How would you even determine this?  When eggs are fertilized in a petri dish, not all will be fertilized, some will be fertilized and stop dividing due to some sort of genetic anomaly.  So you have an embryo that only goes so far and stops dividing.  I don't see how you'd do anything - but it sounds like this could be considered criminal.  

[chiver78]

Mar 6, 2024 14:42:46 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Mar 6, 2024 8:44:37 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Exactly.

I wish the IVF clinics would refuse to reopen based on hypocrisy and confusion.

How would you even determine this?  When eggs are fertilized in a petri dish, not all will be fertilized, some will be fertilized and stop dividing due to some sort of genetic anomaly.  So you have an embryo that only goes so far and stops dividing.  I don't see how you'd do anything - but it sounds like this could be considered criminal.  

this is what happens when people that don't understand anything about the science are enabled to enact legislation limiting it. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Mar 6, 2024 15:25:12 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Mar 6, 2024 14:42:46 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

How would you even determine this?  When eggs are fertilized in a petri dish, not all will be fertilized, some will be fertilized and stop dividing due to some sort of genetic anomaly.  So you have an embryo that only goes so far and stops dividing.  I don't see how you'd do anything - but it sounds like this could be considered criminal.  

this is what happens when people that don't understand anything about the science are enabled to enact legislation limiting it. 

I know.  It drives me nuts.  

[djAdvocate]

this is why separation of church and state is the cornerstone of good governance.

[tallguy]

Mar 6, 2024 17:55:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this is why separation of church and state is the cornerstone of good governance.

Another reason to blame Reagan, and another reason he was a horrible president.  The more you entwine religion and politics, the more you corrupt them both.  Better when both are worth a damn, rather than when neither of them are.   

[thyme4change]

Mar 6, 2024 8:44:37 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Mar 4, 2024 17:21:39 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Huh, so a clump of cells is only a "baby" if it's in a woman's womb

Isn't that further proof that all of this legislation isn't about a baby or even when life begins - but about taking rights away from women?

Women aren't equal and don't deserve the same rights as men....

Exactly.

I wish the IVF clinics would refuse to reopen based on hypocrisy and confusion.

🤣Like America works on principle and not making the rich richer.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 6, 2024 18:01:08 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 6, 2024 17:55:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this is why separation of church and state is the cornerstone of good governance.

Another reason to blame Reagan, and another reason he was a horrible president.  The more you entwine religion and politics, the more you corrupt them both.  Better when both are worth a damn, rather than when neither of them are.   

this tension between science and religion is something Joseph Campbell was good at navigating, but few others.

Campbell believed that religion should limit itself to that which cannot be known, and that science should limit itself to the knowable.

i would be well pleased if both did that.  religion should stop pretending that religious and scientific uncertainty are the same.  they are actually opposites, because one is not seeking to prove the unprovable, and the other is not seeking to disprove the unprovable.  you want to argue about souls?  go right ahead.  science will leave you alone about that.   .  you want to argue about evolution?  better get a degree in biology before you start.

[NastyWoman]

Maybe if these "religious" states start passing and enforcing child support bills like this one the men affected might "find religion"  start pushing to decouple government  asap 


www.wpsdlocal6.com/health/ky-child-support-bill/article_ad4feb86-d778-11ee-befd-a7b30e2afef2.html

[Tennesseer]

How about letting Kentucky women decide for themselves what is best for them. Stay out of it, government.

Democrats walk out of Kentucky hearing on legislation dealing with support for nonviable pregnancies

FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Democratic lawmakers walked out of a Kentucky committee hearing Thursday when the GOP-led panel took up a bill to expand access to prebirth and newborn services for pregnant women carrying nonviable fetuses that are expected to die before or soon after birth, in a state that bans abortion in such cases.

The three Democrats didn't return to the committee room until after Republicans on the House Health Services Committee approved the bill dealing with perinatal palliative care.

“This is not about comforting bereaved parents, as it should be,” Democratic state Rep. Lindsey Burke said afterward. “It’s about making a political statement, and they’re not going to do that on my back.”

Supporters of the bill said it would increase access to compassionate, comprehensive care and support services for families dealing with the devastation of a life-limiting diagnosis for their unborn child. When an infant is expected to live only a short time after birth, it gives parents precious moments to spend time with the child, said Addia Wuchner, executive director of Kentucky Right to Life.

“No matter how extreme an anomaly can be, sometimes just to say hello by holding your child means everything,” she said. “And families should have that opportunity to make those choices.”

Rest of article here: Democrats walk out of Kentucky hearing on legislation dealing with support for nonviable pregnancies

[thyme4change]

Mar 8, 2024 11:31:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How about letting Kentucky women decide for themselves what is best for them. Stay out of it, government.

Democrats walk out of Kentucky hearing on legislation dealing with support for nonviable pregnancies

FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Democratic lawmakers walked out of a Kentucky committee hearing Thursday when the GOP-led panel took up a bill to expand access to prebirth and newborn services for pregnant women carrying nonviable fetuses that are expected to die before or soon after birth, in a state that bans abortion in such cases.

The three Democrats didn't return to the committee room until after Republicans on the House Health Services Committee approved the bill dealing with perinatal palliative care.

“This is not about comforting bereaved parents, as it should be,” Democratic state Rep. Lindsey Burke said afterward. “It’s about making a political statement, and they’re not going to do that on my back.”

Supporters of the bill said it would increase access to compassionate, comprehensive care and support services for families dealing with the devastation of a life-limiting diagnosis for their unborn child. When an infant is expected to live only a short time after birth, it gives parents precious moments to spend time with the child, said Addia Wuchner, executive director of Kentucky Right to Life.

“No matter how extreme an anomaly can be, sometimes just to say hello by holding your child means everything,” she said. “And families should have that opportunity to make those choices.”

Rest of article here: Democrats walk out of Kentucky hearing on legislation dealing with support for nonviable pregnancies

But fuck school lunches- lazy first graders should find their own food.

[djAdvocate]

we know how to reduce childhood poverty by 50%.
we did it under COVID.

so, half the kids that go hungry are 100% preventable.
yet we do nothing.

MAGA doesn't even discuss it.

[busymom]

This popped up on my Facebook tonight.  Too good not to share:  

[happyhoix]

Texas fanatics are now advocating to execute women who have abortions or IVF, which they say is the same as an abortion.

www.meidastouch.com/news/texas-republicans-call-for-execution-of-women-who-receive-abortions-ivf-in-horrifying-video

[Opti]

Mar 31, 2024 7:40:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Texas fanatics are now advocating to execute women who have abortions or IVF, which they say is the same as an abortion.

www.meidastouch.com/news/texas-republicans-call-for-execution-of-women-who-receive-abortions-ivf-in-horrifying-video

Rapists and wanna be rapists deciding to punish women. Not surprising. They probably deserve the death penalty more than those they would happily murder.

[djAdvocate]

i gave those two thumbs up not because i like them, but because i like what it does to the chances for Democrats to win this fall.

[Tennesseer]

Today, the governor of Tennessee authorized this video must be shown in county schools which have high teenage pregnancies.  My opinion of it is its propaganda to stop people from leaving the state seeking abortions.  Thoughts?

[djAdvocate]

showing images of the unborn that are nearly to term is standard anti-abortion propaganda.

it is also well south of 1% of all abortions.

[teen persuasion]

Apr 24, 2024 17:22:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Today, the governor of Tennessee authorized this video must be shown in county schools which have high teenage pregnancies.  My opinion of it is its propaganda to stop people from leaving the state seeking abortions.  Thoughts?

Deceptive how they wait until after the video is well over to explain that all their week measurements should have 2 more weeks added to them to match how the medical and legal system denote stage of pregnancy. Working from LMP, Olivia was 2 weeks at the moment she was conceived!


The CGI images are hilarious - that is the roomiest and brightest uterus ever!  I'm sorry, but babies are just squished and crammed in there, not floating freely like they are on the ISS. Pure fantasy.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 24, 2024 21:32:38 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Apr 24, 2024 17:22:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Today, the governor of Tennessee authorized this video must be shown in county schools which have high teenage pregnancies.  My opinion of it is its propaganda to stop people from leaving the state seeking abortions.  Thoughts?

Deceptive how they wait until after the video is well over to explain that all their week measurements should have 2 more weeks added to them to match how the medical and legal system denote stage of pregnancy. Working from LMP, Olivia was 2 weeks at the moment she was conceived!


The CGI images are hilarious - that is the roomiest and brightest uterus ever!  I'm sorry, but babies are just squished and crammed in there, not floating freely like they are on the ISS. Pure fantasy.

I thought Olivia was going to whip out a grand piano and play to kill time waiting for the contractions to begin.