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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 18:27:17 GMT -5
Thats what they do. Couldn't tell you why, saves on storage I suppose..... and wages, they bring in operatives to cover a large order. but not being an industrialist I wouldn't really know. I had to wait 2 weeks for a part for my French car...... and France is across the channel, all of 27 miles. it is a dumb policy. what do you do when a part is discontinued? you are down for weeks or months while you fight to replace it, that is what. part of the reason that inflation picked up after Covid was JIT. suppliers cut back when demand fell, and because THEY kept no inventory, when demand picked up, there was no inventory to serve that demand. i get that people don't like inventory. believe me, i really do. inventory is a pain. but being out of business? that is not just a pain. that is the entire game.
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Post by resolution on Jan 28, 2024 19:30:06 GMT -5
So do I need to run out and stockpile toilet paper?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2024 21:16:03 GMT -5
So do I need to run out and stockpile toilet paper? there was never a TP shortage. hoarding will not fix the problem. did you notice any increase in TP prices? me neither. it just goes to show, even during Covid, people are (and apparently have) assholes.
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Post by scgal on Jan 29, 2024 8:58:46 GMT -5
So do I need to run out and stockpile toilet paper? there was never a TP shortage. hoarding will not fix the problem. did you notice any increase in TP prices? me neither. it just goes to show, even during Covid, people are (and apparently have) assholes. If there wasn't a tp shortage then what do you call the empty shelves
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jan 29, 2024 10:35:07 GMT -5
It was some sort of hysteria that first appeared in Australia and went World wide. Even in Canada ... and common sense would tell you they have enough trees to keep everyone in toilet paper for a millenium
People were frightened... and when they are frightened they do stupid stuff.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 29, 2024 10:37:37 GMT -5
there was never a TP shortage. hoarding will not fix the problem. did you notice any increase in TP prices? me neither. it just goes to show, even during Covid, people are (and apparently have) assholes. If there wasn't a tp shortage then what do you call the empty shelves Gluttony? I think there is a meaningful difference between an inability to get all that one wants and the ability to get what one needs.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:43:29 GMT -5
there was never a TP shortage. hoarding will not fix the problem. did you notice any increase in TP prices? me neither. it just goes to show, even during Covid, people are (and apparently have) assholes. If there wasn't a tp shortage then what do you call the empty shelves hoarding. if there WAS a TP shortage, then how come prices never went up?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:45:53 GMT -5
It was some sort of hysteria that first appeared in Australia and went World wide. Even in Canada ... and common sense would tell you they have enough trees to keep everyone in toilet paper for a millenium People were frightened... and when they are frightened they do stupid stuff. exactly. it wasn't like COVID gave people massive diarrhea. herd mentality emptied the shelves. it was what economists call a false shortage, because the SUPPLY of TP was no different at any point in the last 5 years. and there was no REAL, LONG TERM reason for the increase in demand. the baby formula thing was entirely different. that was a REAL shortage caused by a supply problem.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 29, 2024 10:50:07 GMT -5
So do I need to run out and stockpile toilet paper? Paper towels too. You will need to toss paper towel rolls to the few survivors of a nuclear attack.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:51:22 GMT -5
honestly? i still can't believe people did that. why do people care so much about TP? is it like Linus and his security blanket? do you think that having TP makes you safe?
utterly bizarre.
and why were people afraid? because the president kept saying it would just magically disappear, and it didn't. if there are 1001 things to do in a crisis, blithely ignoring it has to be #1001. although, i have to admit, that is precisely what i did with the TP "shortage". everyone knew it was due to hoarding, and there is only so much hoarding one can do.
so you can wipe your ass and deworm yourself? great. happy now?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:52:04 GMT -5
So do I need to run out and stockpile toilet paper? Paper towels too. You will need to toss paper towel rolls to the few survivors of a nuclear attack. you can't even make a decent tin foil hat out of those things.
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Post by mollyc on Jan 29, 2024 10:52:41 GMT -5
It was some sort of hysteria that first appeared in Australia and went World wide. Even in Canada ... and common sense would tell you they have enough trees to keep everyone in toilet paper for a millenium People were frightened... and when they are frightened they do stupid stuff. Are you really that clueless? Yes, I guess so. There are a hell of a lot of businesses between a tree and toilet paper. All of which require being staffed which couldn’t always happen during the pandemic. Plus stores order supplies based on standard sales so when people go from buying an item every 3-6 weeks to whenever they see it, even if manufacturing hasn’t been slowed down or stopped due to illness and supply shortages, they aren’t going to have enough of an item in stock. You claim to be a teacher. Put in some thought before you mouth stupid comments.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 10:53:32 GMT -5
there was never a TP shortage. hoarding will not fix the problem. did you notice any increase in TP prices? me neither. it just goes to show, even during Covid, people are (and apparently have) assholes. If there wasn't a tp shortage then what do you call the empty shelves actually, i thought of a better answer: ridiculous.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 29, 2024 10:57:49 GMT -5
I must thank the gluttony of others for paper towels. Brand name paper towels at Kroger were always gone first. So I started buying Kroger brand paper towels and I haven't gone back to brand names. Kroger brand paper towels are cheaper than brand name ones and work just as well as the brand name towels.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 11:09:00 GMT -5
i have a question for everyone that hoarded TP:
did you examine the trajectory of the Spanish Flu?
it is well documented. i found it very comforting and informative. even though it was just as nasty as CV19, it lingered around for about 10 years then disappeared. people stopped even thinking about it. so, i thought to myself, 2030? i will still be working. my son will have graduated college. the world will keep turning. we will survive. even without a vaccine.
i didn't change my behavior one bit. i did, however, buy massive amounts of stock. so i am grateful that others went into a blind panic and sold, as i was about 80% cash before the market crash and 8% cash after.
i really would like to know whether people hid behind a wall of paper towel rolls, or if they actually at least TRIED to be informed (since it was clear that the president and his staff was not going to tell you anything).
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Post by scgal on Jan 29, 2024 12:00:03 GMT -5
It was some sort of hysteria that first appeared in Australia and went World wide. Even in Canada ... and common sense would tell you they have enough trees to keep everyone in toilet paper for a millenium People were frightened... and when they are frightened they do stupid stuff. exactly. it wasn't like COVID gave people massive diarrhea. herd mentality emptied the shelves. it was what economists call a false shortage, because the SUPPLY of TP was no different at any point in the last 5 years. and there was no REAL, LONG TERM reason for the increase in demand. the baby formula thing was entirely different. that was a REAL shortage caused by a supply problem. Yet there still was a shortage it doesn't matter how. Hoarding sure, the end result was the same no tp on the shelves. I know if I go to the store and what I want is not there I go to another and it is not there then when I do find it I will buy 6 mos worth. I will not go without. Everyone here knows I collect firearms, when covid hit I couldn't get 380 ammo anywhere when I did find it it was triple the price I had a couple hundred rounds so when it went on sale I bought 10000.
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Post by resolution on Jan 29, 2024 12:18:03 GMT -5
There was a shortage of residential TP and a surplus of commercial TP. People weren't using it at work, weren't traveling and using it at hotels, but were at home a lot more. So demand for residential TP went up and the store shelves started emptying and triggered the rush. The distribution system for commercial toilet paper wasn't set up to get it to the consumers.
When we started running out at home, I couldn't find it anywhere locally and ended up buying a big box of commercial TP on Amazon. It really sucked compared to the normal stuff, but at least we had something. I found it a bit humorous because as a child growing up in the 80s I would hear about how communist Russia and third world countries had bad TP that was like newspaper, and then 40 years later I ended up with crappy toilet paper courtesy of capitalism.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 12:21:31 GMT -5
exactly. it wasn't like COVID gave people massive diarrhea. herd mentality emptied the shelves. it was what economists call a false shortage, because the SUPPLY of TP was no different at any point in the last 5 years. and there was no REAL, LONG TERM reason for the increase in demand. the baby formula thing was entirely different. that was a REAL shortage caused by a supply problem. Yet there still was a shortage it doesn't matter how. my entire point is that it DOES matter how. have you heard of the Hunt Brothers? that is another example of a false shortage.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 29, 2024 12:22:24 GMT -5
I can't even find the words to say how stupid that is. You are part of the problem that creates shortages. As long as you get your 6 month supply, to hell with everyone who just buys what they need. Of course the manufactures can't keep up with that artificial demand. 10,000 rounds of ammunition is insane.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 12:27:13 GMT -5
if what scgal says is true, then anyone of sufficient means can create a shortage. for example, if i take every penny i have, i could create a "shortage" of TP in California, by buying every single roll in every single store in CA. what does that mean? nothing. that is what it means. a week from now, the stores would have TP in them again. no price increases, no nothing. #fakeshortage
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 12:33:14 GMT -5
There was a shortage of residential TP and a surplus of commercial TP. People weren't using it at work, weren't traveling and using it at hotels, but were at home a lot more. So demand for residential TP went up and the store shelves started emptying and triggered the rush. The distribution system for commercial toilet paper wasn't set up to get it to the consumers. When we started running out at home, I couldn't find it anywhere locally and ended up buying a big box of commercial TP on Amazon. It really sucked compared to the normal stuff, but at least we had something. I found it a bit humorous because as a child growing up in the 80s I would hear about how communist Russia and third world countries had bad TP that was like newspaper, and then 40 years later I ended up with crappy toilet paper courtesy of capitalism.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 12:41:45 GMT -5
incidentally, the horse dewormer thing create a REAL shortage, because people were using it as medicine. it was not a matter of just one purchase, and then it all going back to normal, like it did with TP. it was a case of idiots using that shit for, literally, years. that heightened demand led to shortages for horses.
people didn't actually use MORE TP. they just hoarded it. that is a false shortage, due to a demand surge. you can call it whatever you like, however. i don't honestly care. proctor and gamble and georgia pacific didn't make any more money because of COVID. i know. i looked into it.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 29, 2024 12:54:30 GMT -5
I figured the TP hoarders were just full of sh##. Ok I’ll back out of 5his serious discussion. Carry on
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jan 29, 2024 13:02:13 GMT -5
I think we all added to the toilet roll problem. Instead of buying a pack we brought 3 because we didn't know when it would be in stock again. When my kids came in saying they couldn't get TP anywhere ......... I was able to say "its fine just get some out of the cupboard" This is how these things start,
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 13:04:40 GMT -5
i can't contain myself. i just gotta say this.
when i was traveling to Pacific Mexico a year ago, there was a couple in the pharmacy buying Ivermectin. i am basically 100% sure they were doing it as an investment because of the QUANTITY they were buying. it was about the size of a shoebox. it was in the KILO range. it was far more than they could use personally. i am SURE they were bringing it back to the US to sell.
people like that are disgusting to me. i mean that without reservation. i find disaster capitalism (that is you, WCPS) disgusting in general. but doing it for fake medication like this is beyond disgusting. it makes me want to move to another country. seriously. it is INTOLERABLE.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 13:08:35 GMT -5
I think we all added to the toilet roll problem. Instead of buying a pack we brought 3 because we didn't know when it would be in stock again. When my kids came in saying they couldn't get TP anywhere ......... I was able to say "its fine just get some out of the cupboard" This is how these things start, it was Tulip Mania without the supply problem. i found the whole thing astonishing. the only way i could get my head around it by consoling myself with the fact that at least the hoarding item was not perishable. it makes SOME sense to hoard things that you know you will need in the future, and don't spoil. there is a guy that lives in the middle of the Snake River wilderness area. his cabin is on the river. there is no road, and six months out of the year, nobody rafts that river. so he gets six months of supply just before fall comes around. that is the kind of hoarding that makes sense. but Americans had no reason to live like refugees.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jan 29, 2024 13:24:31 GMT -5
Yep like that guy and his brother who brought all the hand sanitizer with the intention of selling it on Amazon.... at a mark up
Apparently his friends and neighbours really made him suffer.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 29, 2024 13:41:05 GMT -5
I can't even find the words to say how stupid that is. You are part of the problem that creates shortages. As long as you get your 6 month supply, to hell with everyone who just buys what they need. Of course the manufactures can't keep up with that artificial demand. 10,000 rounds of ammunition is insane. Not if one is into serial mass shootings.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2024 13:42:16 GMT -5
bizarre hoarding behavior. seriously.
hoarding food? i get that. buying sacks of beans and rice. yes. i can see that. that will help you survive if there was a SERIOUS supply disruption.
hoarding TP? what the actual hell?
somewhere between bizarre and embarrassing. not worried about eating. worried about wiping your ass.
i just did NOT understand that. at all. still don't.
but whatever rocks your cradle, i guess.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 29, 2024 13:50:59 GMT -5
bizarre hoarding behavior. seriously. hoarding food? i get that. buying sacks of beans and rice. yes. i can see that. that will help you survive if there was a SERIOUS supply disruption. hoarding TP? what the actual hell? somewhere between bizarre and embarrassing. not worried about eating. worried about wiping your ass.i just did NOT understand that. at all. still don't. but whatever rocks your cradle, i guess. To be fair (in my opinion). If the unverified rumor of a shortage of tp to manage one the most basic human biological functions is true, then what other of life's daily items will we run out of which will make life more unreal. That frightens some people. We are creatures of habit.
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