Texas shut down a border crossing

[happyhoix]

Won’t let the Feds have access to 2.5 miles of the border, shut down the border crossing there and the boat ramp the feds use to patrol the river. 

www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-blocking-border-patrol-justice-department-eagle-pass/

[Opti]

Not going to read now. So is this a power play or do you think they are rounding up those who come to the border to doing bad things  to them?

And by bad things I mean turning them away or even shooting or assaulting them to get them to leave.
Or picking select ones for sexual or agricultural slavery. The latter is big in many southern states, I think the former happens too often to recent immigrants to big cities like NYC, Chicago etc. The predator's ca be their own countrymen far too often. But the "buyers" are often Americans born here or rich people working here.

[ripvanwinkle]

Jan 13, 2024 15:30:46 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Won’t let the Feds have access to 2.5 miles of the border, shut down the border crossing there and the boat ramp the feds use to patrol the river. 

www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-blocking-border-patrol-justice-department-eagle-pass/

I can see Abbott's dilemma. Abbott is just doing what he can to try to stem the overwhelming tide of illegals coming into his state. If the Biden administration will not or cannot do it then someone has to. 

This may be a publicity stunt to bring attention to the problem. Make the administration finally own up to the problem they created.

[dondubble]

Jan 13, 2024 19:14:41 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 13, 2024 15:30:46 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Won’t let the Feds have access to 2.5 miles of the border, shut down the border crossing there and the boat ramp the feds use to patrol the river. 

www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-blocking-border-patrol-justice-department-eagle-pass/

I can see Abbott's dilemma. Abbott is just doing what he can to try to stem the overwhelming tide of illegals coming into his state. If the Biden administration will not or cannot do it then someone has to. 

This may be a publicity stunt to bring attention to the problem. Make the administration finally own up to the problem they created.

Are not the Justice Department and Border Patrol under the power of the Presidency. So you are ok with Abbott preventing the Feds from ‘stemming the overwhelming tide of illegals’?

[djAdvocate]

Jan 13, 2024 19:14:41 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 13, 2024 15:30:46 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Won’t let the Feds have access to 2.5 miles of the border, shut down the border crossing there and the boat ramp the feds use to patrol the river. 

www.texastribune.org/2024/01/12/texas-blocking-border-patrol-justice-department-eagle-pass/

I can see Abbott's dilemma. Abbott is just doing what he can to try to stem the overwhelming tide of illegals coming into his state. If the Biden administration will not or cannot do it then someone has to. 

This may be a publicity stunt to bring attention to the problem. Make the administration finally own up to the problem they created.

false.  if he were concerned about this issue, he would do what DeSantis did, making it illegal to employ them without background checks.

no, what he is doing is trying to garner sympathy from voters like you.  unfortunately, it seems to have worked.  at least in your case.

and they didn't create the problem.  the immigration policy is exactly the same it was prior to 2020 (ie, in the first three years of the Trump administration).

[ripvanwinkle]

Jan 13, 2024 20:42:38 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Jan 13, 2024 19:14:41 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

I can see Abbott's dilemma. Abbott is just doing what he can to try to stem the overwhelming tide of illegals coming into his state. If the Biden administration will not or cannot do it then someone has to. 

This may be a publicity stunt to bring attention to the problem. Make the administration finally own up to the problem they created.

Are not the Justice Department and Border Patrol under the power of the Presidency. So you are ok with Abbott preventing the Feds from ‘stemming the overwhelming tide of illegals’?

You're absolutely right. It is the Justice Department and Border Patrol job. But if they are not doing it so yes, I think Abbott has the right to do it. If they were doing their job he wouldn't have to do it. I don't think he is preventing them he is just making it hard for the illegals to cross at a 2 mile stretch if Texas border.

[ripvanwinkle]

Jan 13, 2024 21:40:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 13, 2024 19:14:41 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

I can see Abbott's dilemma. Abbott is just doing what he can to try to stem the overwhelming tide of illegals coming into his state. If the Biden administration will not or cannot do it then someone has to. 

This may be a publicity stunt to bring attention to the problem. Make the administration finally own up to the problem they created.

false.  if he were concerned about this issue, he would do what DeSantis did, making it illegal to employ them without background checks.

no, what he is doing is trying to garner sympathy from voters like you.  unfortunately, it seems to have worked.  at least in your case.

and they didn't create the problem.  the immigration policy is exactly the same it was prior to 2020 (ie, in the first three years of the Trump administration).

You're right. The policy is the same. It's just that the flood if illegals, oops asylum seekers, has increased dramatically under the current administration with no relief in sight.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 13, 2024 21:56:52 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 13, 2024 21:40:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

false.  if he were concerned about this issue, he would do what DeSantis did, making it illegal to employ them without background checks.

no, what he is doing is trying to garner sympathy from voters like you.  unfortunately, it seems to have worked.  at least in your case.

and they didn't create the problem.  the immigration policy is exactly the same it was prior to 2020 (ie, in the first three years of the Trump administration).

You're right. The policy is the same. It's just that the flood if illegals, oops asylum seekers, has increased dramatically under the current administration with no relief in sight.

most of them are from Venezuela.  the situation has gotten VASTLY worse there in the last three years.  are you going to argue that Venezuela is a beautiful place that is devoid of political persecution?

if not, they are probably legitimate asylum seekers and we should welcome them.  Trump was breaking the law keeping them out, imo.  so was Biden.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 13, 2024 21:40:34 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 13, 2024 20:42:38 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Are not the Justice Department and Border Patrol under the power of the Presidency. So you are ok with Abbott preventing the Feds from ‘stemming the overwhelming tide of illegals’?

You're absolutely right. It is the Justice Department and Border Patrol job. But if they are not doing it so yes, I think Abbott has the right to do it. 

that will almost certainly be tested in court.  are you willing to live with the outcome?

i am.

[ripvanwinkle]

Jan 14, 2024 0:03:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 13, 2024 21:40:34 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

You're absolutely right. It is the Justice Department and Border Patrol job. But if they are not doing it so yes, I think Abbott has the right to do it. 

that will almost certainly be tested in court.  are you willing to live with the outcome?

i am.

I suppose I am. If the court is in Texas. I think this is about states rights and sovereignty. A state has the right to protect it's citizens.

[Opti]

Jan 14, 2024 1:33:44 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 14, 2024 0:03:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that will almost certainly be tested in court.  are you willing to live with the outcome?

i am.

I suppose I am. If the court is in Texas. I think this is about states rights and sovereignty. A state has the right to protect it's citizens.

So how do feel about protecting the rights of the citizens who own property on the Texas border and refuse to have physical borders put up on their land? 

[happyhoix]

State officers stopped federal officers from rescuing immigrants who downed.

www.cbsnews.com/news/3-migrants-drown-near-shelby-park-eagle-pass-texas-soldiers-denied-entry-federal-border-agents/

[pulmonarymd]

The lack of humanity in conservatives is stunning. Refusing to help someone in trouble? Clearly they have no conscience

[djAdvocate]

Jan 14, 2024 1:33:44 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jan 14, 2024 0:03:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that will almost certainly be tested in court.  are you willing to live with the outcome?

i am.

I suppose I am. If the court is in Texas. I think this is about states rights and sovereignty. A state has the right to protect it's citizens.

this case will not be decided in Texas, unless the appeal stays a lower court ruling.

immigration is a federal issue, rip.  i am sorry, it just is.  if we have states creating their own policies, it won't do Texas any good.

for example, let's say that Arizona decides that it is going to just open the border and eschew any enforcement whatsoever.  how will Texas prevent "illegal" migration?  you would have to build a wall around your entire border.

your idea falls apart quickly.  what we NEED is federal reform on this issue.  

[djAdvocate]

Jan 14, 2024 9:16:45 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

State officers stopped federal officers from rescuing immigrants who downed.

www.cbsnews.com/news/3-migrants-drown-near-shelby-park-eagle-pass-texas-soldiers-denied-entry-federal-border-agents/

this is actually precisely what sanctuary states do, but kind of on the other end of the spectrum.  California ALSO refuses to help federal employees with immigration "crimes".

so, now i guess that Texas is a sanctuary state?

[happyhoix]

Jan 14, 2024 11:08:36 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The lack of humanity in conservatives is stunning. Refusing to help someone in trouble? Clearly they have no conscience

It’s all about punishing the guilty.

Try to sneak into the country, you deserve to drown. Have sex when not married, you deserve to struggle to feed and house your kids. Choose an ungodly lifestyle (gays or trans) you need to be punished by being fired from your job, denied healthcare, and harassed by the community.

If you live the right kind of lifestyle and obey all the laws that are important to them, they will do whatever they can do to help you.

[busymom]

Jan 14, 2024 16:37:44 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 14, 2024 11:08:36 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The lack of humanity in conservatives is stunning. Refusing to help someone in trouble? Clearly they have no conscience

It’s all about punishing the guilty.

Try to sneak into the country, you deserve to drown. Have sex when not married, you deserve to struggle to feed and house your kids. Choose an ungodly lifestyle (gays or trans) you need to be punished by being fired from your job, denied healthcare, and harassed by the community.

If you live the right kind of lifestyle and obey all the laws that are important to them, they will do whatever they can do to help you.

    Unless you're a woman...

[busymom]

Back to the topic, don't you find it ironic that the political party that labels itself as Christian not only allows people to drown, but prevents others who may have been able to help from saving them?   Apparently the road to Hell is paved with some Republicans (I won't paint them all with the same brush).  

[scgal]

Jan 14, 2024 0:02:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 13, 2024 21:56:52 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

You're right. The policy is the same. It's just that the flood if illegals, oops asylum seekers, has increased dramatically under the current administration with no relief in sight.

most of them are from Venezuela.  the situation has gotten VASTLY worse there in the last three years.  are you going to argue that Venezuela is a beautiful place that is devoid of political persecution?

if not, they are probably legitimate asylum seekers and we should welcome them.  Trump was breaking the law keeping them out, imo.  so was Biden.

Is the 2 mile stretch a legal point of entry if yes they should welcome them if not. It is ok to turn them away. If anyone drowns trying to come here illegally (meaning not thru an legal point) then that is on them we are under no obligation to use our resources to help

[pulmonarymd]

Do you have a single ounce of compassion in you ? Not only are you doing nothing to help a fellow human,they were actively preventing someone from helping. Is that the type of people we are now? That is what you want this country to turn into? You care nothing about your fellow human being.

This is what a conservative is now

How far do we carry this know. You decide to live in a flood prone area- so sad, too bad, you should have know better when it inevitably floods. Figure it out yourself. Not far of a leap from your position to this one

[scgal]

Jan 15, 2024 7:06:59 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Do you have a single ounce of compassion in you ? Not only are you doing nothing to help a fellow human,they were actively preventing someone from helping. Is that the type of people we are now? That is what you want this country to turn into? You care nothing about your fellow human being.

This is what a conservative is now

How far do we carry this know. You decide to live in a flood prone area- so sad, too bad, you should have know better when it inevitably floods. Figure it out yourself. Not far of a leap from your position to this one

It is not about compassion or helping we are talking about a clear and simple question is the 2 mile stretch a legal point of entry or no. If someone is breaking the law you do not help them to circumvent the law. That is why we are in the situation we are in. 

Please try not to do the leap and stretch what about this or if that crap stay on topic

[Tennesseer]

Jan 15, 2024 7:01:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jan 14, 2024 0:02:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

most of them are from Venezuela.  the situation has gotten VASTLY worse there in the last three years.  are you going to argue that Venezuela is a beautiful place that is devoid of political persecution?

if not, they are probably legitimate asylum seekers and we should welcome them.  Trump was breaking the law keeping them out, imo.  so was Biden.

Is the 2 mile stretch a legal point of entry if yes they should welcome them if not. It is ok to turn them away. If anyone drowns trying to come here illegally (meaning not thru an legal point) then that is on them we are under no obligation to use our resources to help

Bless your cruel heart. When did you lose your humanity?

[Opti]

Jan 15, 2024 9:27:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jan 15, 2024 7:06:59 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Do you have a single ounce of compassion in you ? Not only are you doing nothing to help a fellow human,they were actively preventing someone from helping. Is that the type of people we are now? That is what you want this country to turn into? You care nothing about your fellow human being.

This is what a conservative is now

How far do we carry this know. You decide to live in a flood prone area- so sad, too bad, you should have know better when it inevitably floods. Figure it out yourself. Not far of a leap from your position to this one

It is not about compassion or helping we are talking about a clear and simple question is the 2 mile stretch a legal point of entry or no. If someone is breaking the law you do not help them to circumvent the law. That is why we are in the situation we are in. 

Please try not to do the leap and stretch what about this or if that crap stay on topic

I'm not agreeing with anything you wrote here. But I do have a question, how is rescuing a drowning immigrant helping them circumvent the law? You can't be charged with illegal entry to the US because you are here legally. You did nothing at all to help them get here. So what really do you think you are "helping" them with?

So, say the ugly part out loud because here in the recent land of flooding rivers fire departments have rescued AH young kids driving out while there are emergency warnings of no travel unless necessary. So, for added points please explain why it was OK to waste my tax money on saving these lives but if I was down there as just me, costing no one anyone tax dollars, and saved an immigrant from drowning. IT is a BAD thing per you.

[Opti]

Jan 15, 2024 7:01:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jan 14, 2024 0:02:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

most of them are from Venezuela.  the situation has gotten VASTLY worse there in the last three years.  are you going to argue that Venezuela is a beautiful place that is devoid of political persecution?

if not, they are probably legitimate asylum seekers and we should welcome them.  Trump was breaking the law keeping them out, imo.  so was Biden.

Is the 2 mile stretch a legal point of entry if yes they should welcome them if not. It is ok to turn them away. If anyone drowns trying to come here illegally (meaning not thru an legal point) then that is on them we are under no obligation to use our resources to help

Have you forgotten immigration 101 from this or all other threads you have participated in?

It is permitted to come to the US without prior arrangements. It is permissible to come to a border and go through the long and sometimes demeaning process of becoming a citizen. Yes it is not legal to come to the border and evade processing with the intent of living in the US without documentation. Without ever having a plan to become an eventual citizen. This category, I will call category two, is far smaller than what I wrote about first. But you and many who think like you do not understand numbers. Do not understand processes. And like Gov. Abbott have no desire to address this issue the right way.

[tbop77]

I couldn't imagine standing there watching someone drown and standing there with an "serves your right" attitude.  

I feel horrible enough that these people are used as political pawns.  

[pulmonarymd]

Jan 15, 2024 9:27:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jan 15, 2024 7:06:59 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Do you have a single ounce of compassion in you ? Not only are you doing nothing to help a fellow human,they were actively preventing someone from helping. Is that the type of people we are now? That is what you want this country to turn into? You care nothing about your fellow human being.

This is what a conservative is now

How far do we carry this know. You decide to live in a flood prone area- so sad, too bad, you should have know better when it inevitably floods. Figure it out yourself. Not far of a leap from your position to this one

It is not about compassion or helping we are talking about a clear and simple question is the 2 mile stretch a legal point of entry or no. If someone is breaking the law you do not help them to circumvent the law. That is why we are in the situation we are in. 

Please try not to do the leap and stretch what about this or if that crap stay on topic

No, it is entirely about your willingness to have compassion. You see someone in trouble, and your immediate response is that they deserve it. No signs of compassion, recognition of their humanity, or thought that they need help. Just let them die.

During a Republican debate on the ACA in 2012, while Rand Paul was speaking, there was a question about the uninsured. The crowd chanted “let them die”. That is what the Republican Party has come too. We are willing to let other people die unless they are the “right” type of victim

[Tennesseer]

One can rescue drowning people and arrest them once rescued. Real simple.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jan 15, 2024 10:25:50 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

I couldn't imagine standing there watching someone drown and standing there with an "serves your right" attitude.  

I feel horrible enough that these people are used as political pawns.  

Can you imagine what that is doing to the psyche of the boarder patrol?  I cannot believe that every single one of them is a die hard conservative like Scgal and can stand there without an ounce of feeling saying "Serves you right criminals".

[saveinla]

What else is new - remember - this is Texas where more than 20 grown men stood around doing nothing when kids were being murdered in Uvalde - why do you think this will even be a big deal for them?

[djAdvocate]

Jan 15, 2024 7:01:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Jan 14, 2024 0:02:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

most of them are from Venezuela.  the situation has gotten VASTLY worse there in the last three years.  are you going to argue that Venezuela is a beautiful place that is devoid of political persecution?

if not, they are probably legitimate asylum seekers and we should welcome them.  Trump was breaking the law keeping them out, imo.  so was Biden.

Is the 2 mile stretch a legal point of entry if yes they should welcome them if not. It is ok to turn them away. If anyone drowns trying to come here illegally (meaning not thru an legal point) then that is on them we are under no obligation to use our resources to help

it is actually a violation of international law.

which should make sense to everyone, here.