Mifepristone

[billisonboard]

Supreme Court to decide whether to restrict abortion drug nationwide to the unregulated black market, further endangering women.

[Tennesseer]

I am so glad all our state and federal supreme court members have medical PHDs and have published peer-reviewed medical articles related to this subject.

[Opti]

From the OP's link -


The case concerns the drug mifepristone that — when coupled with another drug — is one of the most common abortion methods in the United States.



The decision means the conservative-leaning court will again wade into the abortion debate after overturning Roe v. Wade last year, altering the landscape of abortion rights nationwide and triggering more than half the states to outlaw or severely restrict the procedure.

The new case could be decided by July, inserting the Supreme Court into the middle of the presidential election, where abortion access is once again a key issue.



Behind the challenge

Central to the dispute is the scope of the US Food and Drug Administration’s authority to regulate mifepristone, a drug that the medical community has deemed safe and effective.

Good news IMO is there is time. There also seems to be a conservative group calling themselves something about Freedom, so that has jokes and slogans almost pre written. 

[thyme4change]

I will be so pissed if the courts pull mifepristone from the market. Not only because of women’s health and abortion access. But to have the courts just nilly willy overriding the FDA based on dubious reasoning is just unacceptable. If it does get pulled, we should work to remove viagra from the market. And whatever is keeping Mitch McConnell’s body alive. We could probably get rid of a quarter of Congress if we bump the right drugs.

[pulmonarymd]

I think the Supreme Court ruling against the FDA would be a bad precedent and harmful in the long run
Mifepristone has uses outside of abortion, and women would be hurt
But this keen jerk, remove Viagra from the market, needs to stop. Sildenafil, the generic for Viagra, is used for pulmonary hypertension, and is a disease many women get. The disease is a serious, life-threatening condition, and we would hurt a lot of people. Surely, we are better than conservatives, and care about others.

Being frustrated is understandable. Piling on viagra is easy, but unfortunately, is better than what conservatives are doing. We need to argue the merits. Restricting a drug, or saying it cannot be used except how the FDA says, is dangerous and life threatening for people. In addition, conservatives had no problem in asking for off label prescribing, Ivermectin for example. Lets focus on that 

[Opti]

Dec 13, 2023 15:00:30 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I will be so pissed if the courts pull mifepristone from the market. Not only because of women’s health and abortion access. But to have the courts just nilly willy overriding the FDA based on dubious reasoning is just unacceptable. If it does get pulled, we should work to remove viagra from the market. And whatever is keeping Mitch McConnell’s body alive. We could probably get rid of a quarter of Congress if we bump the right drugs.

[jerseygirl]

Problems include FDA requirements for prescription. Think some were hoping to send med by mail, unlikely the FDA requirements could allow that


www.sheppardhealthlaw.com/2023/01/articles/fda/fda-approval-mifepristone-rems-program-modification-expands-patient-access-to-abortion-care/

[scgal]

Dec 13, 2023 10:45:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Supreme Court to decide whether to restrict abortion drug nationwide to the unregulated black market, further endangering women.

You make it sound like the supreme court has no business in this, if that is the case then the lower court that already made the restrictions would be held. So are you in favor of the restriction order?

[billisonboard]

Dec 14, 2023 9:26:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 13, 2023 10:45:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Supreme Court to decide whether to restrict abortion drug nationwide to the unregulated black market, further endangering women.

You make it sound like the supreme court has no business in this, if that is the case then the lower court that already made the restrictions would be held. So are you in favor of the restriction order?

The courts can only issue rulings for what is legally available. The Supreme Court ruling on abortion is working to create back alley faculties which may or may not be reasonably safe and sanitary. As my words stated, the Supreme Court will rule whether or not to create an unregulated black market. I am only advocating for accuracy.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 14, 2023 9:26:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 13, 2023 10:45:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Supreme Court to decide whether to restrict abortion drug nationwide to the unregulated black market, further endangering women.

You make it sound like the supreme court has no business in this, if that is the case then the lower court that already made the restrictions would be held. So are you in favor of the restriction order?

When I read this article earlier this morning you came quickly to mind. I sure would like to see you made to watch this execution in person. Seeing someone struggle to breath oxygen would be right up your pleasure alley.

Alabama’s new execution method could be dangerous for everyone in the room

On 25 January, Alabama Department of Corrections (ADOC) officials will strap Kenneth Eugene Smith to a gurney in Holman Correctional Facility and pump his lungs full of pure nitrogen.

Having survived one horribly botched execution, Smith faces being put to death by a wholly untested method that has been decried as inhumane by death penalty experts and deemed unfit even for killing most mammals.

So experimental is “nitrogen asphyxia” as a form of capital punishment that ADOC has required Smith’s spiritual adviser Reverend Jeff Hood to sign a waiver that forces him to maintain a distance of at least three feet (.9m) during the execution.

The legal document states that it would be possible, though “highly unlikely”, that a hose supplying nitrogen to Smith's mask detaches from his face, filling an area around him with the potentially deadly odourless, tasteless, invisible gas.

Rest of article here: Alabama’s new execution method could be dangerous for everyone in the room

[Opti]

The Green Mile. 

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 14, 2023 13:12:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 14, 2023 9:26:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

You make it sound like the supreme court has no business in this, if that is the case then the lower court that already made the restrictions would be held. So are you in favor of the restriction order?

When I read this article earlier this morning you came quickly to mind. I sure would like to see you made to watch this execution in person. Seeing someone struggle to breath oxygen would be right up your pleasure alley.

Alabama’s new execution method could be dangerous for everyone in the room

On 25 January, Alabama Department of Corrections (ADOC) officials will strap Kenneth Eugene Smith to a gurney in Holman Correctional Facility and pump his lungs full of pure nitrogen.

Having survived one horribly botched execution, Smith faces being put to death by a wholly untested method that has been decried as inhumane by death penalty experts and deemed unfit even for killing most mammals.

So experimental is “nitrogen asphyxia” as a form of capital punishment that ADOC has required Smith’s spiritual adviser Reverend Jeff Hood to sign a waiver that forces him to maintain a distance of at least three feet (.9m) during the execution.

The legal document states that it would be possible, though “highly unlikely”, that a hose supplying nitrogen to Smith's mask detaches from his face, filling an area around him with the potentially deadly odourless, tasteless, invisible gas.

Rest of article here: Alabama’s new execution method could be dangerous for everyone in the room

That is absolutely barbarian. He will suffocate. Unless he is strapped down and unable to move, he will struggle like a drowning person. How far do we want to go to show we have absolutely zero care about others. And yes, it is potentially dangerous to anyone in the room. Carbon monoxide poisoning would be more compassionate.

It is clear that conservatives no longer give a shit about their fellow man. Cruelty appears to be the point. This idea, and the recent mess in Texas is all we have to see to prove that point.

[scgal]

Dec 14, 2023 13:12:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 14, 2023 9:26:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

You make it sound like the supreme court has no business in this, if that is the case then the lower court that already made the restrictions would be held. So are you in favor of the restriction order?

When I read this article earlier this morning you came quickly to mind. I sure would like to see you made to watch this execution in person. Seeing someone struggle to breath oxygen would be right up your pleasure alley.

Alabama’s new execution method could be dangerous for everyone in the room

On 25 January, Alabama Department of Corrections (ADOC) officials will strap Kenneth Eugene Smith to a gurney in Holman Correctional Facility and pump his lungs full of pure nitrogen.

Having survived one horribly botched execution, Smith faces being put to death by a wholly untested method that has been decried as inhumane by death penalty experts and deemed unfit even for killing most mammals.

So experimental is “nitrogen asphyxia” as a form of capital punishment that ADOC has required Smith’s spiritual adviser Reverend Jeff Hood to sign a waiver that forces him to maintain a distance of at least three feet (.9m) during the execution.

The legal document states that it would be possible, though “highly unlikely”, that a hose supplying nitrogen to Smith's mask detaches from his face, filling an area around him with the potentially deadly odourless, tasteless, invisible gas.

Rest of article here: Alabama’s new execution method could be dangerous for everyone in the room

Why would I come to mind? Just because I believe in the death penalty I know I never said I wish some one to die slowly. 

[scgal]

Dec 14, 2023 9:53:14 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 14, 2023 9:26:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

You make it sound like the supreme court has no business in this, if that is the case then the lower court that already made the restrictions would be held. So are you in favor of the restriction order?

The courts can only issue rulings for what is legally available. The Supreme Court ruling on abortion is working to create back alley faculties which may or may not be reasonably safe and sanitary. As my words stated, the Supreme Court will rule whether or not to create an unregulated black market. I am only advocating for accuracy.

That would be an unintended consequence. 

[pulmonarymd]

No, it is a completely intended and predictable consequence. There have always been abortions. There always will be abortions. The only question is how they will be bone, and what consequences to the women who have them will occur. People who want to ban them just refuse to accept an acknowledge that. What is happening in Texas is an inconvenience for those people right now

[moon/Laura]

Dec 14, 2023 14:13:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 14, 2023 9:53:14 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The courts can only issue rulings for what is legally available. The Supreme Court ruling on abortion is working to create back alley faculties which may or may not be reasonably safe and sanitary. As my words stated, the Supreme Court will rule whether or not to create an unregulated black market. I am only advocating for accuracy.

That would be an unintended consequence. 

If it's unintended, it's only because none of them can be bothered to pull their heads out of their sanctimonious asses and LISTEN TO THE DOCTORS instead of their egos and pastors.

[billisonboard]

Dec 14, 2023 14:13:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 14, 2023 9:53:14 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The courts can only issue rulings for what is legally available. The Supreme Court ruling on abortion is working to create back alley faculties which may or may not be reasonably safe and sanitary. As my words stated, the Supreme Court will rule whether or not to create an unregulated black market. I am only advocating for accuracy.

That would be an unintended consequence. 

I live my days in the world of behavior choices creating "unintented" consequences, (i.e. junior/senior high school).

The real issue is, is it an acceptable consequence?

[djAdvocate]

i am not sure i can distinguish between "unintended consequences" and "acceptable losses".

[countrygirl2]

So once again make sure they are borne, then when so many are not wanted or loved and grow up to in many cases be bad we don't worry about that. So then just kill them, I'm sure a high % of the unwanted will end up that way.  And the horrible things they do to others in their lives, well we don't worry about that.

Sure a few might end up ok, but betting the majority do not. And the ones sick and disabled, not enough to care for them now.

But that's ok, many women from what I'm hearing now are choosing to be sterilized so they are solving that problem permanently. Bet they outlaw that too. 

[Spellbound454]

There will just be a rise in backstreet abortions using herbs or implements and other unsafe practices.

Or,  certain out-of-state places will suddenly become a popular "holiday" destinations, so people can get themselves sorted.

[Opti]

Dec 15, 2023 10:38:49 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 14, 2023 14:13:55 GMT -5 scgal said:

That would be an unintended consequence. 

I live my days in the world of behavior choices creating "unintented" consequences, (i.e. junior/senior high school).

The real issue is, is it an acceptable consequence?

My opinion is if we as a society are going to make rules, in general, it should be better than a 50/50 proposition. The whole of society is not junior/senior high school students, so I personally do not want to model public policy on that population. But because some girls do not know they are pregnant until they deliver a baby in the bathroom, I want safe haven laws for the babies who are born and protection for the teen mothers. Chicago Fire has had nice story lines on those baby boxes. When an infant is placed in it, an alarm goes off so the newborn is picked up and given medical attention fairly quickly. It would be nice if we could be progressive enough to give medical attention to those teen moms as well. 

Very late term abortions to my knowledge rarely occur, and I would think that too many of them are because the father does not want his wife to know about his affair *baby momma* so tries to kill them both by pushing mom in front of a train, down the stairs, etc. Been in tristate news often enough it no longer surprises me. Just makes me sad that being pregnant is the most dangerous time for a woman life and health wise. If we are really that wonderful as a society, IMO it should be no different from not being pregnant.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 17, 2023 5:24:53 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

There will just be a rise in backstreet abortions using herbs or implements and other unsafe practices.

Or,  certain out-of-state places will suddenly become a popular "holiday" destinations, so people can get themselves sorted.

hiding pregnancies will become the new American pastime.

Make America Turkieye Again

[resolution]

Right now many companies can predict when women are pregnant, based on shopping patterns. I suspect the government would be able to make it difficult to hide, if they were sufficiently motivated.

www.linkedin.com/pulse/targets-ai-powered-insight-how-target-figured-out-teenage#:~:text=In%20this%20age%20of%20data,they%20even%20realize%20it%20themselves.

Through meticulous analysis of historical buying data, Target's statistician Andrew Pole identified several significant patterns indicating a customer's pregnancy status. For instance, a surge in the purchase of unscented lotion during the second trimester emerged as a reliable indicator. Additionally, the increased acquisition of supplements like calcium, magnesium, and zinc during the initial 20 weeks became a key signal. Other telltale signs include the sudden purchase of scent-free soap, larger bags of cotton balls, hand sanitizers, and washcloths, which often suggest an impending delivery date.

By analyzing a combination of approximately 25 product categories, Andrew Pole's AI algorithms assign each customer a "pregnancy prediction" score. This score not only indicates the likelihood of pregnancy but also provides an estimate of the due date, allowing Target to send highly targeted coupons and promotions tailored to specific stages of pregnancy. This personalized approach ensures that expectant parents receive relevant offers and recommendations at precisely the right time.

[Tennesseer]

Dozens of Texas businesses back challenge to abortion ban: ‘This is why our economy is taking a hit’

Ambiguities in Texas’s abortion ban are making it harder for businesses in the state to recruit, a coalition of businesses argued Thursday.

Fifty-one businesses have signed onto an amicus brief filed by in-house counsel at dating site Bumble, which was filed in support of 22 women suing the state over the abortion ban.

The plaintiffs in that case — Zurawski v. Texas — are 20 former patients who argue that they were denied medically necessary abortions because physicians were afraid of legal consequences.

As a tech company largely run by women, Bumble CEO Whitney Wolfe Herd said she feels it has a duty not just to provide access to health care, “but to speak out – and speak loudly – against the retrogression of women’s rights.”

The businesses signing onto the letter — which include dating sites Bumble and Match Group (the parent company of Match.com and Tinder), advertising giants Preacher and GSD&M, event organizers SXSW and the United States Women’s Chamber of Commerce as well as dozens of Texas real estate, law firms and restaurant groups — argued that the state’s abortion laws make it unattractive for families looking to move to a place where they can have children.

Rest of article here: Dozens of Texas businesses back challenge to abortion ban: ‘This is why our economy is taking a hit’

[thyme4change]

Latest liberal conspiracy theory….

Supreme Court will rule that the group in Texas doesn’t have standing, leaving mifepristone as is.

Conservatives will heavily market the win for the pro-choice cause, and that it is devastating for pro-life. This will make abortion an issue in the 2024 elections, and they will have an easier time convincing people that pro-choice is winning - motivating pro-life votes and sending the message to pro-choicers that they don’t need to vote.

After the election, another case will come up and the Supreme Court will then decide to block mifepristone.

[djAdvocate]

strategically smart, but there are a lot of if's there.

[NastyWoman]

Dec 17, 2023 13:23:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dozens of Texas businesses back challenge to abortion ban: ‘This is why our economy is taking a hit’

Ambiguities in Texas’s abortion ban are making it harder for businesses in the state to recruit, a coalition of businesses argued Thursday.

Fifty-one businesses have signed onto an amicus brief filed by in-house counsel at dating site Bumble, which was filed in support of 22 women suing the state over the abortion ban.

The plaintiffs in that case — Zurawski v. Texas — are 20 former patients who argue that they were denied medically necessary abortions because physicians were afraid of legal consequences.

As a tech company largely run by women, Bumble CEO Whitney Wolfe Herd said she feels it has a duty not just to provide access to health care, “but to speak out – and speak loudly – against the retrogression of women’s rights.”

The businesses signing onto the letter — which include dating sites Bumble and Match Group (the parent company of Match.com and Tinder), advertising giants Preacher and GSD&M, event organizers SXSW and the United States Women’s Chamber of Commerce as well as dozens of Texas real estate, law firms and restaurant groups — argued that the state’s abortion laws make it unattractive for families looking to move to a place where they can have children.

Rest of article here: Dozens of Texas businesses back challenge to abortion ban: ‘This is why our economy is taking a hit’

May I point out that this really pisses me off! The fact that businesses have a hard(er) time recruiting and, as a result the economy suffers should have absolutely no, zero, zip, zilch influence in this discussion. It is about the right to bodily autonomy of women and their personal decisions. Any other negative results from denying women that right is just part of the "unintended" side effects and you either just deal with that or you vote those vile pieces of controlling shit out of office. Reducing the issue to one of dollars and cents is repulsive to me.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 20, 2023 14:52:31 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Dec 17, 2023 13:23:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dozens of Texas businesses back challenge to abortion ban: ‘This is why our economy is taking a hit’

Ambiguities in Texas’s abortion ban are making it harder for businesses in the state to recruit, a coalition of businesses argued Thursday.

Fifty-one businesses have signed onto an amicus brief filed by in-house counsel at dating site Bumble, which was filed in support of 22 women suing the state over the abortion ban.

The plaintiffs in that case — Zurawski v. Texas — are 20 former patients who argue that they were denied medically necessary abortions because physicians were afraid of legal consequences.

As a tech company largely run by women, Bumble CEO Whitney Wolfe Herd said she feels it has a duty not just to provide access to health care, “but to speak out – and speak loudly – against the retrogression of women’s rights.”

The businesses signing onto the letter — which include dating sites Bumble and Match Group (the parent company of Match.com and Tinder), advertising giants Preacher and GSD&M, event organizers SXSW and the United States Women’s Chamber of Commerce as well as dozens of Texas real estate, law firms and restaurant groups — argued that the state’s abortion laws make it unattractive for families looking to move to a place where they can have children.

Rest of article here: Dozens of Texas businesses back challenge to abortion ban: ‘This is why our economy is taking a hit’

May I point out that this really pisses me off! The fact that businesses have a hard(er) time recruiting and, as a result the economy suffers should have absolutely no, zero, zip, zilch influence in this discussion. It is about the right go bodily autonomy of women and their personal decisions. Any other negative results from denying women that right is just part of the "unintended" side effects and you either just deal with that or you vote those vile pieces of controlling shit out of office. Reducing the issue to one of dollars and cents is repulsive to me.

I politely disagree with your position. You point out what the article is about is a side effect of Texas' laws on abortion. The fact is companies do not like to locate/relocate their businesses in states which may be hostile to women's health and other rights as women are part of their workforce.

The rights of women to determine their own healthcare needs goes well beyond the doctor's office.

[Deleted]

Dec 20, 2023 14:52:31 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Dec 17, 2023 13:23:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dozens of Texas businesses back challenge to abortion ban: ‘This is why our economy is taking a hit’

Ambiguities in Texas’s abortion ban are making it harder for businesses in the state to recruit, a coalition of businesses argued Thursday.

Fifty-one businesses have signed onto an amicus brief filed by in-house counsel at dating site Bumble, which was filed in support of 22 women suing the state over the abortion ban.

The plaintiffs in that case — Zurawski v. Texas — are 20 former patients who argue that they were denied medically necessary abortions because physicians were afraid of legal consequences.

As a tech company largely run by women, Bumble CEO Whitney Wolfe Herd said she feels it has a duty not just to provide access to health care, “but to speak out – and speak loudly – against the retrogression of women’s rights.”

The businesses signing onto the letter — which include dating sites Bumble and Match Group (the parent company of Match.com and Tinder), advertising giants Preacher and GSD&M, event organizers SXSW and the United States Women’s Chamber of Commerce as well as dozens of Texas real estate, law firms and restaurant groups — argued that the state’s abortion laws make it unattractive for families looking to move to a place where they can have children.

Rest of article here: Dozens of Texas businesses back challenge to abortion ban: ‘This is why our economy is taking a hit’

May I point out that this really pisses me off! The fact that businesses have a hard(er) time recruiting and, as a result the economy suffers should have absolutely no, zero, zip, zilch influence in this discussion. It is about the right go bodily autonomy of women and their personal decisions. Any other negative results from denying women that right is just part of the "unintended" side effects and you either just deal with that or you vote those vile pieces of controlling shit out of office. Reducing the issue to one of dollars and cents is repulsive to me.

I will take an ally where I can get one, within reason.  Not everyone's motives have to be the same as mine.   

[djAdvocate]

Dec 20, 2023 18:15:10 GMT -5 @pooks said:

Dec 20, 2023 14:52:31 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

May I point out that this really pisses me off! The fact that businesses have a hard(er) time recruiting and, as a result the economy suffers should have absolutely no, zero, zip, zilch influence in this discussion. It is about the right go bodily autonomy of women and their personal decisions. Any other negative results from denying women that right is just part of the "unintended" side effects and you either just deal with that or you vote those vile pieces of controlling shit out of office. Reducing the issue to one of dollars and cents is repulsive to me.

I will take an ally where I can get one, within reason.  Not everyone's motives have to be the same as mine.   

Trump won using a coalition of the angry.  we can, too.