Mifepristone

[djAdvocate]

the US is 54th in infant mortality:

www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison/

in fact, the US is the most dangerous place in the developed world to raise a child.

USA!!! USA!!!!

[tallguy]

May 24, 2024 8:50:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the US is 54th in infant mortality:

www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison/

in fact, the US is the most dangerous place in the developed world to raise a child.

USA!!! USA!!!!

To be fair, though, if we only counted blue states the U.S. would be a lot higher on the list.  It's those damn conservatives who are always screwing up our numbers!   

[thyme4change]

May 24, 2024 12:04:57 GMT -5 tallguy said:

May 24, 2024 8:50:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the US is 54th in infant mortality:

www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison/

in fact, the US is the most dangerous place in the developed world to raise a child.

USA!!! USA!!!!

To be fair, though, if we only counted blue states the U.S. would be a lot higher on the list.  It's those damn conservatives who are always screwing up our numbers!   

I’m sure some people would say that if we got rid of black people we would look a lot better - not understanding the true reason for the problem. And then scream CRT and REVERSE RACISM and whatever. 🤦‍♀️

[pulmonarymd]

May 24, 2024 12:24:29 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

May 24, 2024 12:04:57 GMT -5 tallguy said:

To be fair, though, if we only counted blue states the U.S. would be a lot higher on the list.  It's those damn conservatives who are always screwing up our numbers!   

I’m sure some people would say that if we got rid of black people we would look a lot better - not understanding the true reason for the problem. And then scream CRT and REVERSE RACISM and whatever. 🤦‍♀️

Health metrics for middle class and upper class white people are better than for minorities. For the same group, they are better in blue states than white states. Blue state America has health metrics much more like Western Europe than like red America. Red America drags the rest of us down. At least white Americans in red states are better than minorities. Yeah for us!

[NastyWoman]

May 24, 2024 8:50:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the US is 54th in infant mortality:

www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison/

in fact, the US is the most dangerous place in the developed world to raise a child.

USA!!! USA!!!!

I can just add that, despite the distance, I am regularly grateful that DS2 and DDIL decided they wanted to raise their kids in Europe. I know nowhere in the world is entirely safe but some are definitely far more dangerous than others.

[Tennesseer]

Meanwhile, at the Southern Baptists' annual convention today in Indianapolis, this happened.

Southern Baptists Vote to Oppose Use of I.V.F.
With almost 13 million church members across the United States, the Southern Baptist Convention has long been a bellwether for American evangelicalism.

Southern Baptists, the country’s largest Protestant denomination, voted on Wednesday to oppose the use of in vitro fertilization. The vote was an indication that ordinary evangelicals are increasingly open to arguments that equate embryos with human life, and that two years after the overturning of Roe v. Wade, “fetal personhood” may be the next front for the anti-abortion movement.

More than 10,000 delegates, called “messengers,” have gathered in Indianapolis for the denomination’s annual meeting, which is closely watched as a barometer of evangelical sentiment on a variety of cultural and political issues. The vote on Wednesday was the first time that attendees at the Southern Baptist meeting have addressed the ethics of in vitro fertilization directly. In 2021, the group passed a resolution declaring “unequivocally that abortion is murder.”

The resolution proposed on Wednesday called on Southern Baptists “to reaffirm the unconditional value and right to life of every human being, including those in an embryonic stage, and to only utilize reproductive technologies consistent with that affirmation, especially in the number of embryos generated in the I.V.F. process.”

It also exhorted them to “advocate for the government to restrain” actions inconsistent with the dignity of “every human being, which necessarily includes frozen embryonic human beings.”

A vast majority of the delegates oppose abortion, but fertility treatments are widely used by evangelicals. Although the process of in vitro fertilization often results in the destruction of unused embryos, many Southern Baptists see that as fundamentally different from abortion because the goal of fertility treatments is to create new life.

Rest of article here: Southern Baptists Vote to Oppose Use of I.V.F.

[pulmonarymd]

Maybe they should give the children born with the use of IVF back, since they do not accept it as a viable alternative

[djAdvocate]

May 24, 2024 14:23:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

May 24, 2024 8:50:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the US is 54th in infant mortality:

www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison/

in fact, the US is the most dangerous place in the developed world to raise a child.

USA!!! USA!!!!

I can just add that, despite the distance, I am regularly grateful that DS2 and DDIL decided they wanted to raise their kids in Europe. I know nowhere in the world is entirely safe but some are definitely far more dangerous than others.

in France, the government offers a professional nanny for helping new mothers with their babies.  free of charge, of course.

in the US, do we even have paid maternity leave?  no.  we don't.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 13, 2024 6:22:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 24, 2024 14:23:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I can just add that, despite the distance, I am regularly grateful that DS2 and DDIL decided they wanted to raise their kids in Europe. I know nowhere in the world is entirely safe but some are definitely far more dangerous than others.

in France, the government offers a professional nanny for helping new mothers with their babies.  free of charge, of course.

in the US, do we even have paid maternity leave?  no.  we don't.

Well of course not!  If we paid for maternity leave we'd have women popping out 20+ babies at a time trying to take advantage of their employers!  Then they will all quit because women are naturally more inclined to being mothers and leave all their employers in a lurch.  Then they'll be expected to get hand outs from the government to support all these babies they can't afford.

The country will be ruined!  RUINED!

Other countries do it?  Well they are all socialist hell holes as I am sure you are aware.  I can't believe anyone would think living in those countries where they don't expect you to support yourself is a good thing.

We're America where we expect you to support your own damn self!  Look at me I had 20 babies while standing at my desk!  I didn't even stop typing while I was pushing!  I was the most productive I have ever been in my life while giving birth!  Why should other women think they should be allowed to stop working?! 

What did it get me?  Well I never got a raise or promotions or any benefit whatsoever and now my kids refuse to see me in the nursing home because they claim I was never there for them but dang it I am an 'Merican!  The self denial and delusional pride I have in myself for thinking that was remotely acceptable behavior is what gets me through life!

Did I get all that right?  That's usually the argument I hear when I talk about how far behind the US is with the rest of the world.

[Tiny]

I get the feeling America is trying to shame people  into conformity and silence (lying about themselves).  

About 2% of births in America are via IVF.    How many parents, young adults, and children will need to LIE about themselves if IVF goes the way of abortion in America? 

www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/health/ivf-egg-freezing-explainer-wellness/index.html#:~:text=About%202%25%20of%20births%20in,been%20born%20using%20this%20technology.%E2%80%9D

“In many ways, IVF is actually one of the great triumphs of modern medicine,” he said. “One thing that’s helpful to know is just how common it is. About 2% of births in the US results from IVF. Over 8 million babies have been born using this technology.”

America seems to want to push LGBTQ+ people  back into a state of conformity and silence (lying about themselves) even as more and more people feel free to be themselves: 

www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1238262638/lgbtq-adults-us-gallup-poll-bisexual-transgender

The latest results show that 7.6% of U.S. adults now align themselves with the LGBTQ+ community — up from 3.5% in 2012, when Gallup started collecting this data. Compare that to four years ago, when the figure was 5.6%.

The conservative right is NOT about freedoms.... it's about taking them away.     


I think I might start asking people in my life - what things about themselves are they lying about?  If they say nothing - then I will ask why they want other people to LIE?   Isn't lying bad?  

[Tennesseer]

U.S. Supreme Court maintains availability of abortion pill Mifepristone.

More news to follow.

[Tennesseer]

Unanimous Supreme Court preserves access to widely used abortion medication

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Thursday unanimously preserved access to a medication that was used in nearly two-thirds of all abortions in the U.S. last year, in the court’s first abortion decision since conservative justices overturned Roe v. Wade two years ago.

The justices ruled that abortion opponents lacked the legal right to sue over the federal Food and Drug Administration’s approval of the medication, mifepristone, and the FDA’s subsequent actions to ease access to it.

The case had threatened to restrict access to mifepristone across the country, including in states where abortion remains legal.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote for the court that “federal courts are the wrong forum for addressing the plaintiffs’ concerns about FDA’s actions.” Kavanaugh was part of the majority to overturn Roe.

The high court is separately considering another abortion case, about whether a federal law on emergency treatment at hospitals overrides state abortion bans in rare emergency cases in which a pregnant patient’s health is at serious risk.

Rest of article here: Unanimous Supreme Court preserves access to widely used abortion medication

[billisonboard]

Jun 13, 2024 9:23:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Unanimous Supreme Court preserves access to widely used abortion medication

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Thursday unanimously preserved access to a medication that was used in nearly two-thirds of all abortions in the U.S. last year, in the court’s first abortion decision since conservative justices overturned Roe v. Wade two years ago.

The justices ruled that abortion opponents lacked the legal right to sue over the federal Food and Drug Administration’s approval of the medication, mifepristone, and the FDA’s subsequent actions to ease access to it.

The case had threatened to restrict access to mifepristone across the country, including in states where abortion remains legal.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote for the court that “federal courts are the wrong forum for addressing the plaintiffs’ concerns about FDA’s actions.” Kavanaugh was part of the majority to overturn Roe.

The high court is separately considering another abortion case, about whether a federal law on emergency treatment at hospitals overrides state abortion bans in rare emergency cases in which a pregnant patient’s health is at serious risk.

Rest of article here: Unanimous Supreme Court preserves access to widely used abortion medication

Unanimous surprises me. Can't believe there wasn't a pretzel logic dissent.

[pulmonarymd]

They took the easy way out by saying they had no standing. Still leaves the issue open to additional challenges if the right plaintiff can be found. Also need to look at what is going on in Louisiana, and realize that other states will follow their lead. This isn't over.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2024 9:14:25 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

U.S. Supreme Court maintains availability of abortion pill Mifepristone.

More news to follow.

wait...they didn't say that they were smarter than the medical community, and override two decades of medical practice?

i might faint.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 13, 2024 9:23:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Unanimous Supreme Court preserves access to widely used abortion medication

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Thursday unanimously preserved access to a medication that was used in nearly two-thirds of all abortions in the U.S. last year, in the court’s first abortion decision since conservative justices overturned Roe v. Wade two years ago.

The justices ruled that abortion opponents lacked the legal right to sue over the federal Food and Drug Administration’s approval of the medication, mifepristone, and the FDA’s subsequent actions to ease access to it.

The case had threatened to restrict access to mifepristone across the country, including in states where abortion remains legal.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote for the court that “federal courts are the wrong forum for addressing the plaintiffs’ concerns about FDA’s actions.” Kavanaugh was part of the majority to overturn Roe.

The high court is separately considering another abortion case, about whether a federal law on emergency treatment at hospitals overrides state abortion bans in rare emergency cases in which a pregnant patient’s health is at serious risk.

Rest of article here: Unanimous Supreme Court preserves access to widely used abortion medication

i am curious.

what is the RIGHT venue, given that the FDA is a federal agency?

any thoughts?

[pulmonarymd]

Their is a process for getting drugs removed from the market. Physicians can report adverse effects of medications to the FDA, and if enough events are noted, the approval can be reviewed, and additional restrictions can be recommended, or the drug can be reviewed from the market.

The problem for the plaintiffs has to do with the fact that the medication works as advertised, which is what they have a problem with. It doesn't have a higher risk of side effects that would warrant the review

[djAdvocate]

if i am reading your response right, the answer is "the FDA".

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 13, 2024 12:46:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

if i am reading your response right, the answer is "the FDA".

Correct. Allowing this suit to go forward would just allow anyone to sue over any medication for any reason. Availability of medicines should be left to experts on medications. If we want to take them off the market, Congress can pass a law. It is what they were elected to do, despite recent practice

[chiver78]

Jun 13, 2024 10:15:23 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Their is a process for getting drugs removed from the market. Physicians can report adverse effects of medications to the FDA, and if enough events are noted, the approval can be reviewed, and additional restrictions can be recommended, or the drug can be reviewed from the market.

The problem for the plaintiffs has to do with the fact that the medication works as advertised, which is what they have a problem with. It doesn't have a higher risk of side effects that would warrant the review

thanks for this, a much more concise answer than what I'd have said    

to add to it, though - adverse effects and complaints are high visibility things for medicines released to market. we are constantly doing risk assessments IRT patient safety and product quality whenever a deviation occurs during any part of the manufacturing process as well. if there's an issue? we don't release, zero discussion. 

[NastyWoman]

Jun 13, 2024 6:22:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 24, 2024 14:23:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I can just add that, despite the distance, I am regularly grateful that DS2 and DDIL decided they wanted to raise their kids in Europe. I know nowhere in the world is entirely safe but some are definitely far more dangerous than others.

in France, the government offers a professional nanny for helping new mothers with their babies.  free of charge, of course.

in the US, do we even have paid maternity leave?  no.  we don't.

But you are close, so close to maybe, possibly, eventually, catching up <sarcasm>.

When I gave birth in the land of windmills, and thus cancer, I had 13 weeks of fully paid maternity leave. This May my DS1 turned 46yo! You are so close... 

[Tiny]

Here's my theory - this decision by the Supreme Court is relatively meaningless in the Big Picture.   
Remember how the Supreme Court overturning Roe vs Wade made abortion a "state's right" thing?   Also remember that Republican keep saying it's all about State's rights but yet still keep trying to pass a Federal law that would make abortion illegal in all States.      

I'm thinking if the Supreme Court made mifepristrone illegal  there is no way Republicans would the presidential election much less their at home elections.   If trump gets elected I'm betting there's a Federal law prohibiting abortion in America within a year of the election.   I'm also betting that access to birth control gets put on the chopping block as well - they might not outlaw it - but that wouldn't keep them from making it harder and more expensive to get.     

And the people influencing the Supreme court know this.   Make everyone go "phew! that's not so bad" voting Republican while bad isn't that bad and Republicans get elected.  

[djAdvocate]

it's meaningless, but it could have been horrendous.

so, yeah, i will take meaningless, in this case.