Texas abortion case

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Dec 18, 2023 9:58:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

You can’t trust people to know what is good for them

But we can trust them to properly raise a baby they were forced to carry to term.

That is what kills me about the whole thing.  I am too stupid to be trusted to make decisions about my own body and pregnancy but I am smart enough to be a parent of said resulting child.

Never understood the level of pretzel twisting that comes with the sexism involved in that statement.

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 19, 2023 9:36:30 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Dec 18, 2023 9:58:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

You can’t trust people to know what is good for them

But we can trust them to properly raise a baby they were forced to carry to term.

That is what kills me about the whole thing.  I am too stupid to be trusted to make decisions about my own body and pregnancy but I am smart enough to be a parent of said resulting child.

Never understood the level of pretzel twisting that comes with the sexism involved in that statement.

Conservatives and logic can never be used in the same statement

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Dec 19, 2023 9:47:02 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 19, 2023 9:36:30 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

But we can trust them to properly raise a baby they were forced to carry to term.

That is what kills me about the whole thing.  I am too stupid to be trusted to make decisions about my own body and pregnancy but I am smart enough to be a parent of said resulting child.

Never understood the level of pretzel twisting that comes with the sexism involved in that statement.

Conservatives and logic can never be used in the same statement

I'm guessing it goes back to the idea that the primary role of a woman is a mother.  Once I've been forced to carry to term and deliver the magical God given motherhood genes will activate and I will know that my purpose in life was to care for this being all along.   I just needed that extra nudge from conservatives to realize it. 

[happyhoix]

Dec 19, 2023 9:36:30 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Dec 18, 2023 9:58:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

You can’t trust people to know what is good for them

But we can trust them to properly raise a baby they were forced to carry to term.

That is what kills me about the whole thing.  I am too stupid to be trusted to make decisions about my own body and pregnancy but I am smart enough to be a parent of said resulting child.

Never understood the level of pretzel twisting that comes with the sexism involved in that statement.

I think the conservatives would prefer the unwanted babies be taken away from single moms and given to Christian married couples to raise, like the unwed mothers homes from the 50s.

I remember the SCOTUS judge Mary Coney Barrett suggested a while back that unwanted babies aren’t a problem because so many parents want to adopt a baby.

If the birth mom wants to keep it and raise it, rather than let it be adopted- well, women don’t really know what’s best, do they?

😡

[thyme4change]

Dec 19, 2023 9:50:44 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Dec 19, 2023 9:47:02 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Conservatives and logic can never be used in the same statement

I'm guessing it goes back to the idea that the primary role of a woman is a mother.  Once I've been forced to carry to term and deliver the magical God given motherhood genes will activate and I will know that my purpose in life was to care for this being all along.   I just needed that extra nudge from conservatives to realize it. 

The foster care system is full of kids that can testify that not all women should be mothers.

[thyme4change]

I’ve read and heard bits and pieces of the Savita Halappanavar case and how it bolstered the pro-choice cause in Ireland for them to pass new abortion laws. I wonder who would have to be our martyr to motivate national laws. My first thought was someone like Candace Owens - she might gain sympathy from minorities and conservatives.

I think the recommendations from the HSE panel are pretty interesting, as they are suggesting some standardization on evaluations and treatments of women experiencing miscarriages. I know Wikipedia isn’t the best source, but the collection of information on this on Wiki is a good place to start if you don’t know anything about it.

Tragic loss and unnecessary.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

[Spellbound454]

Yes Ireland being Pro choice in such a Catholic Country is a bit of a surprise.

but its what women wanted.

[dondubble]

Dec 19, 2023 17:28:50 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Yes Ireland being Pro choice in such a Catholic Country is a bit of a surprise.

but its what women wanted.

I was more surprised by all the dead babies found at ‘laundries’ when it was a strictly pro life country. Or all the raped and molested children by the clergy.

[chiver78]

Dec 19, 2023 15:04:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I’ve read and heard bits and pieces of the Savita Halappanavar case and how it bolstered the pro-choice cause in Ireland for them to pass new abortion laws. I wonder who would have to be our martyr to motivate national laws. My first thought was someone like Candace Owens - she might gain sympathy from minorities and conservatives.

I think the recommendations from the HSE panel are pretty interesting, as they are suggesting some standardization on evaluations and treatments of women experiencing miscarriages. I know Wikipedia isn’t the best source, but the collection of information on this on Wiki is a good place to start if you don’t know anything about it.

Tragic loss and unnecessary.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

I so very much hate that it took the death of a living, breathing woman to alter the mindset of the Irish population to change how things work there. progress is progress, so hopefully this never fucking happens again over there. over here? we are moving backwards.

[chiver78]

Dec 19, 2023 17:28:50 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Yes Ireland being Pro choice in such a Catholic Country is a bit of a surprise.

but its what women wanted.

you sound disappointed here. please tell me I'm wrong.

[Pink Cashmere]

Dec 19, 2023 15:04:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I’ve read and heard bits and pieces of the Savita Halappanavar case and how it bolstered the pro-choice cause in Ireland for them to pass new abortion laws. I wonder who would have to be our martyr to motivate national laws. My first thought was someone like Candace Owens - she might gain sympathy from minorities and conservatives.

I think the recommendations from the HSE panel are pretty interesting, as they are suggesting some standardization on evaluations and treatments of women experiencing miscarriages. I know Wikipedia isn’t the best source, but the collection of information on this on Wiki is a good place to start if you don’t know anything about it.

Tragic loss and unnecessary.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

Candace Owens is a hard NO for every minority I know that has ever mentioned her.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 19, 2023 9:36:30 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Dec 18, 2023 9:58:45 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

You can’t trust people to know what is good for them

But we can trust them to properly raise a baby they were forced to carry to term.

That is what kills me about the whole thing.  I am too stupid to be trusted to make decisions about my own body and pregnancy but I am smart enough to be a parent of said resulting child.

Never understood the level of pretzel twisting that comes with the sexism involved in that statement.

really?  let me help you:

women are sperm depositories.

are we clear now?

[djAdvocate]

Dec 19, 2023 14:15:13 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 19, 2023 9:36:30 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

But we can trust them to properly raise a baby they were forced to carry to term.

That is what kills me about the whole thing.  I am too stupid to be trusted to make decisions about my own body and pregnancy but I am smart enough to be a parent of said resulting child.

Never understood the level of pretzel twisting that comes with the sexism involved in that statement.

I think the conservatives would prefer the unwanted babies be taken away from single moms and given to Christian married couples to raise, like the unwed mothers homes from the 50s.

I remember the SCOTUS judge Mary Coney Barrett suggested a while back that unwanted babies aren’t a problem because so many parents want to adopt a baby.

which is why the orphanages are overflowing with unwanted (mostly abused) kids.

sure.  that makes sense.

[Spellbound454]

 I was more surprised by all the dead babies found at ‘laundries’ when it was a strictly pro life country. Or all the raped and molested children by the clergy.

The people of Ireland were surprised about it too.

Probably one of the additional reasons why they moved away from theocratic instruction, in this instance.

[tallguy]

Dec 19, 2023 22:55:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 19, 2023 9:36:30 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

But we can trust them to properly raise a baby they were forced to carry to term.

That is what kills me about the whole thing.  I am too stupid to be trusted to make decisions about my own body and pregnancy but I am smart enough to be a parent of said resulting child.

Never understood the level of pretzel twisting that comes with the sexism involved in that statement.

really?  let me help you:

women are sperm depositories.

are we clear now?

Wait a minute.  Do you mean I have had it wrong all these years, thinking that there was much more to them?  You know, like being real people with thoughts and feelings and everything?       

[happyhoix]

Dec 19, 2023 22:56:51 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 19, 2023 14:15:13 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I think the conservatives would prefer the unwanted babies be taken away from single moms and given to Christian married couples to raise, like the unwed mothers homes from the 50s.

I remember the SCOTUS judge Mary Coney Barrett suggested a while back that unwanted babies aren’t a problem because so many parents want to adopt a baby.

which is why the orphanages are overflowing with unwanted (mostly abused) kids.

sure.  that makes sense.

Yeah the pro life people always talk about how all the aborted fetuses should be allowed to mature and be borne because there are so many families that want to adopt kids out there. If that’s so why are there so many kids in foster care, hoping to be adopted?

I was surprised to learn that so many young women chose to have abortions because they consider abandoning the baby to the system was worse than having an abortion. If they couldn’t raise it themselves they would abort it. If we want to encourage young women to consider adoption (and I do, my lovely niece is adopted) we need to improve the system.

[resolution]

Conservative states have already started opting out of the new Summer EBT for school kids program, in spite of all the promises of more support for kids to go along with the abortion restrictions. apnews.com/article/iowa-summer-ebt-food-assistance-0e878c5c0fc9dd0dd55622cb22a82561

States have until Jan 1 to opt in, so I am curious to see which states will accept it. It is intended to give EBT benefits to children for lunch since they won't be in school to receive the free school lunch.

[Opti]

Dec 22, 2023 12:50:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 19, 2023 22:56:51 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

which is why the orphanages are overflowing with unwanted (mostly abused) kids.

sure.  that makes sense.

Yeah the pro life people always talk about how all the aborted fetuses should be allowed to mature and be borne because there are so many families that want to adopt kids out there. If that’s so why are there so many kids in foster care, hoping to be adopted?

I was surprised to learn that so many young women chose to have abortions because they consider abandoning the baby to the system was worse than having an abortion. If they couldn’t raise it themselves they would abort it. If we want to encourage young women to consider adoption (and I do, my lovely niece is adopted) we need to improve the system.

This is a tall order. My guess is the system is most broken where there already is a lack of social workers etc. because they get burned out from the need far exceeding the resources. 

[djAdvocate]

Dec 24, 2023 11:13:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 22, 2023 12:50:09 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Yeah the pro life people always talk about how all the aborted fetuses should be allowed to mature and be borne because there are so many families that want to adopt kids out there. If that’s so why are there so many kids in foster care, hoping to be adopted?

I was surprised to learn that so many young women chose to have abortions because they consider abandoning the baby to the system was worse than having an abortion. If they couldn’t raise it themselves they would abort it. If we want to encourage young women to consider adoption (and I do, my lovely niece is adopted) we need to improve the system.

This is a tall order. My guess is the system is most broken where there already is a lack of social workers etc. because they get burned out from the need far exceeding the resources. 

it is.  but i have high expectations from the "greatest nation on Earth"

of course, if we want to be 37th, we can just say that, and then i will leave US alone.

[happyhoix]

Dec 24, 2023 12:31:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 24, 2023 11:13:04 GMT -5 Opti said:

This is a tall order. My guess is the system is most broken where there already is a lack of social workers etc. because they get burned out from the need far exceeding the resources. 

it is.  but i have high expectations from the "greatest nation on Earth"

of course, if we want to be 37th, we can just say that, and then i will leave US alone.

Yeah for the greatest country on earth we sure have subpar healthcare for the poor/working poor, affordable childcare, functioning foster care, and housing for poor people.

Finland pays teachers more than doctors and engineers. Only the top students are accepted to teaching programs, and the have one of the best educated populations on the planet. So we know it’s possible to have better programs if we wanted to.

[Opti]

Dec 24, 2023 12:55:53 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 24, 2023 12:31:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it is.  but i have high expectations from the "greatest nation on Earth"

of course, if we want to be 37th, we can just say that, and then i will leave US alone.

Yeah for the greatest country on earth we sure have subpar healthcare for the poor/working poor, affordable childcare, functioning foster care, and housing for poor people.

Finland pays teachers more than doctors and engineers. Only the top students are accepted to teaching programs, and the have one of the best educated populations on the planet. So we know it’s possible to have better programs if we wanted to.

Try not to list all the reasons I sometimes think of moving to various countries in Europe, Australia, New Zealand or Canada. I believe the US could do better. I think we should be better especially given those folks who do not want us to acknowledge there are many good nations on the planet.

But seriously we really need to get healthcare and other measures into the top 10. Except for the cold weather, Finland, Denmark etc. have much to be proud of.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 24, 2023 12:55:53 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 24, 2023 12:31:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it is.  but i have high expectations from the "greatest nation on Earth"

of course, if we want to be 37th, we can just say that, and then i will leave US alone.

Yeah for the greatest country on earth we sure have subpar healthcare for the poor/working poor, affordable childcare, functioning foster care, and housing for poor people.

Finland pays teachers more than doctors and engineers. Only the top students are accepted to teaching programs, and the have one of the best educated populations on the planet. So we know it’s possible to have better programs if we wanted to.

i will add this, to the small fraction of the US that is wetting themselves over the deficit.  all of this could be done without spending ONE EXTRA CENT.  it is a matter of PRIORITIZING spending on things that matter.  and yes, i am saying we spend capriciously and excessively on things that don't matter to the vast majority of Americans.  and we are incredibly stingy about spending on things that DO matter.

[Tennesseer]

Last night, ABC's Nightline aired a piece of a woman named Alexendria who found herself in the same position as Kate Cox who had to travel outside of Texas to seek an abortion because continuing the pregnancy could/would jeopardized both her health and ability to have more children.

Hopefully the Nightline piece will play for all to see.  Might take an extra click or two to get to the video. If the link doesn't work, you can view a shorter version of the show on the Youtube video of same below the first link.


Nightline: The women and doctors caught in the middle of a post-Roe America; Pregnant Texas woman travels cross-country for abortion care to save her life

[moon/Laura]

A heartbreaking story, but one that most republicans couldn't care less about. The gray areas that many of us see don't exist to them. They don't care if she dies, or that the baby has conditions incompatible with life. All they care about is 'abortion is wrong 100% of the time'. It's shameful.

[Tennesseer]

New York Times article. Hopefully the map will work for posters who don't subscribe to the NYT.

171,000 Traveled for Abortions Last Year. See Where They Went.

More than 14,000 Texas patients crossed the border into New Mexico for an abortion last year. An additional 16,000 left Southern states bound for Illinois. And nearly 12,000 more traveled north from South Carolina and Georgia to North Carolina.

These were among the more than 171,000 patients who traveled for an abortion in 2023, new estimates show, demonstrating both the upheaval in access since the overturn of Roe v. Wade and the limits of state bans to stop the procedure. The data also highlights the unsettled nature of an issue that will test politicians up and down the ballot in November.

Out-of-state travel for abortions — either to have a procedure or obtain abortion pills — more than doubled in 2023 compared with 2019, and made up nearly a fifth of recorded abortions. On Thursday, the Supreme Court rejected a case that would have sharply curtailed access to medication abortion, allowing the pills to remain available to patients traveling from states with bans.

Rest of article here: 171,000 Traveled for Abortions Last Year. See Where They Went.