Texas abortion case

[pulmonarymd]

Anyone following the Texas case. A pregnant women who is carrying a fetus with a lethal chromosomal abnormality wants to get an abortion. The fetus, even if born alive, will survive a week, max. She had 2 prior c sections, and will need one to deliver this child. There are concerns she may not be able to carry another pregnancy if that were to happen. A judge ruled the could go ahead with the abortion. The Texas AG threatened 3 hospitals and any physician who performed the abortion, and appealed the ruling to the Supreme Court.

Ridiculous. Which side cares about women’s health. But sure, conservatives care about the fetus, which in this case, will not survive for long after birth. But sure, make the women continue the pregnancy, why, damned if I know. Every physician knows the right thing to do in this instance. So much for allowing physicians to make these decisions, as some posters claim we are allowed to do

Here is the link. www.Texastribune.org/2023/12/08/texas-abortion-lawsuit-ken-paxton/

[Opti]

Dec 8, 2023 17:26:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Anyone following the Texas case. A pregnant women who is carrying a fetus with a lethal chromosomal abnormality wants to get an abortion. The fetus, even if born alive, will survive a week, max. She had 2 prior c sections, and will need one to deliver this child. There are concerns she may not be able to carry another pregnancy if that were to happen. A judge ruled the could go ahead with the abortion. The Texas AG threatened 3 hospitals and any physician who performed the abortion, and appealed the ruling to the Supreme Court.

Ridiculous. Which side cares about women’s health. But sure, conservatives care about the fetus, which in this case, will not survive for long after birth. But sure, make the women continue the pregnancy, why, damned if I know. Every physician knows the right thing to do in this instance. So much for allowing physicians to make these decisions, as some posters claim we are allowed to do

Not following it, but my guess is the conservative view is a miracle might occur or the doctor might be wrong about the lethal chromosomal abnormality. How far along is the fetus right now?

[pulmonarymd]

20 weeks

[busymom]

And yes, if the pregnant woman is forced to carry a dying fetus, an infection can prevent her from ever bearing more children again.  I don't understand the conservative viewpoint at all.  This fetus is going to die.  Why torment the pregnant woman by forcing her to carry, and possibly ruining her body besides?     There is a special kind of stupid running the Republican Party.  

[Opti]

Dec 8, 2023 17:39:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

20 weeks

crap. 

[pulmonarymd]

Texas Supreme Court halted the ruling. She is not allowed to get an abortion. Guess there must be a benefit to delivering a dead fetus. WTF Texas, do you even care about women?

[Opti]

Dec 9, 2023 8:06:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Texas Supreme Court halted the ruling. She is not allowed to get an abortion. Guess there must be a benefit to delivering a dead fetus. WTF Texas, do you even care about women?

They care about being in control as you know. This is very sad because twenty weeks is a clear time that the fetus death pain can be minimized; the woman could go on and have healthier children in the future ... 



Some of the people in charge really believe they are where they are because of their own merits and people in these situations live wrong and this is how God punishes then. That's not how it works, and what they believe is a corruption of the Bible that probably has been preached off and on from the founding of our country and before.

Even if the fetus becomes a baby and lives a couple weeks, I don't think it even qualifies as a hollow victory. I hope the Texas taxpayers get the bill to support this fetus from birth to death in the neo natal unit. 

[Spellbound454]

How awful to be carrying a child you know has no chance of survival  ,,, made so much worse by a media circus .... and loads of other people sitting in judge and jury over your tragedy.

Leave the poor parents alone, remove the fetus and let them grieve.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2023 8:06:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Texas Supreme Court halted the ruling. She is not allowed to get an abortion. Guess there must be a benefit to delivering a dead fetus. WTF Texas, do you even care about women?

Time for a good Texan to transport this woman to another state (New Mexico?) to get the much needed legal abortion.

[Opti]

Or a good samratin (sp?)

[moon/Laura]

Dec 9, 2023 9:04:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 9, 2023 8:06:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Texas Supreme Court halted the ruling. She is not allowed to get an abortion. Guess there must be a benefit to delivering a dead fetus. WTF Texas, do you even care about women?

Time for a good Texan to transport this woman to another state (New Mexico?) to get the much needed legal abortion.

Only to then be charged with murder when she got back?

Fucking republicans. Bunch of heartless assholes.

[resolution]

Wouldn't everyone that read about the case be able to sue her for $10,000 as well? I wonder if she got the abortion in another state and never returned, just had her stuff shipped to her, if she would still be liable under that Texas law?

[Opti]

The Texas Supreme Court has paused a judge's decision to temporarily block the state from enforcing its strict abortion ban in the case of a woman who is seeking to terminate a pregnancy in which her fetus has a fatal diagnosis.



The Supreme Court's administrative stay, issued less than 48 hours after the lower court's order, temporarily blocks the lower judge's decision, pending further review. The justices say they intend to consider Attorney General Ken Paxton's petition, filed late Thursday night, to reverse the Travis County court's decision.



In his petition, Paxton argued the state would suffer an "irreparable loss" should Kate Cox, a Dallas mother of two, terminate her pregnancy.


www.yahoo.com/news/texas-supreme-court-blocks-kate-131312168.html

Anyone want to get and post AG Ken Paxton's work address, work email, and work phone #? Even though most of us are not Texans, we can call, write or email. My Q is what irreparable harm would the state of Texas suffer? And please prove it with numbers not vague phrases. JMO.

I bought Xmas stamps and have old Christmas cards. I can devote one to the cause. 

[pulmonarymd]

Texas will suffer no harm. The infant will survive a few weeks. That pales in comparison to a women knowing she is carrying a non viable pregnancy for another 16-20 weeks, and having to take the risk of pregnancy and childbirth, for no good reason except to mollify the anti-abortion crowd, who can then congratulate themselves for being morally better than those of us who think she should be allowed to have an abortion.

There is no medically justifiable reason to continue this pregnancy. NONE

[andi9899]

Dec 9, 2023 8:06:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Texas Supreme Court halted the ruling. She is not allowed to get an abortion. Guess there must be a benefit to delivering a dead fetus. WTF Texas, do you even care about women?

The answer is no. They only care about appealing to their base. Trust and believe their mistresses will get their abortions on the down low when needed. Other common folk have no right to govern their own bodies.

[busymom]

Welcome to the Texas Taliban.  Here's the listing you requested Opti:  (Just click the link.)

www.txdirectory.com/online/abc/detail.php?id=67

[Opti]

Dec 9, 2023 14:41:06 GMT -5 busymom said:

Welcome to the Texas Taliban.  Here's the listing you requested Opti :  (Just click the link.)

www.txdirectory.com/online/abc/detail.php?id=67

TY. I'll try to get it ready to be mailed next week. 

[Opti]

Dec 9, 2023 14:11:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Texas will suffer no harm. The infant will survive a few weeks. That pales in comparison to a women knowing she is carrying a non viable pregnancy for another 16-20 weeks, and having to take the risk of pregnancy and childbirth, for no good reason except to mollify the anti-abortion crowd, who can then congratulate themselves for being morally better than those of us who think she should be allowed to have an abortion.

There is no medically justifiable reason to continue this pregnancy. NONE

I hope Texas will be on the hook for all the NICU costs if this does happen. Then I hope someone puts it in advertising campaigns and PAC adverts.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 9, 2023 13:12:08 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Dec 9, 2023 9:04:55 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Time for a good Texan to transport this woman to another state (New Mexico?) to get the much needed legal abortion.

Only to then be charged with murder when she got back?

Fucking republicans. Bunch of heartless assholes.

Actually, yes. A challenge to the ridiculous Texas law.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 9, 2023 14:38:27 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Dec 9, 2023 8:06:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Texas Supreme Court halted the ruling. She is not allowed to get an abortion. Guess there must be a benefit to delivering a dead fetus. WTF Texas, do you even care about women?

The answer is no. They only care about appealing to their base. Trust and believe their mistresses will get their abortions on the down low when needed. Other common folk have no right to govern their own bodies.

i am not sure that this is the case.  i know the delay is stupid and painful for everyone, but that is because the LAW is stupid and painful.

the SCOT still might get it right.  hopefully it will not be too late for the mom.

[andi9899]

Dec 10, 2023 0:25:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 9, 2023 14:38:27 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The answer is no. They only care about appealing to their base. Trust and believe their mistresses will get their abortions on the down low when needed. Other common folk have no right to govern their own bodies.

i am not sure that this is the case.  i know the delay is stupid and painful for everyone, but that is because the LAW is stupid and painful.

the SCOT still might get it right.  hopefully it will not be too late for the mom.

This is absolutely the case. Paxton has a plethora of cases and impeachment inquiries hanging over his head. He'll do anything at this point to deflect from this.

The right has proven time and again that they don't care about women, they only care about themselves getting reelected. If women die, that's just par for the course.

[Deleted]

I really feel for this woman, but I have to compartmentalize that and look at the politics of this and the politics don't seem to make any sense. 

I am a bit of a jumble, but I can't really make any sense out of it.  First this isn't even a base issue, no one seems to wants this.  Forcing the carrying of nonviable fetuses seems to be a fringe stance even on the right, like less than 10% of all people.  So what is the win here?  

Second I seem to recall that Tx is fighting a case right now and using the defense that the law is clear and doctors aren't performing legal abortions in emergency cases.  Blaming the doctors.  This escalation of this case to the TX SC would undermine that defense, because it validates the doctors' stance.  
 
BTW, I am a Dem, so I am trying to understand the other side, which right now seems self destructive to me. 

[Opti]

Dec 10, 2023 0:25:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 9, 2023 14:38:27 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The answer is no. They only care about appealing to their base. Trust and believe their mistresses will get their abortions on the down low when needed. Other common folk have no right to govern their own bodies.

i am not sure that this is the case.  i know the delay is stupid and painful for everyone, but that is because the LAW is stupid and painful.

the SCOT still might get it right.  hopefully it will not be too late for the mom.

Do you know what the potential timing is? When SCOT will make a ruling?

[happyhoix]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-supreme-court-temporarily-blocks-woman-from-emergency-abortion/ar-AA1l9BsD?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f815a61963174101996176de92dd6654&ei=16

Texas mom who is carrying a baby that will die shortly after birth, but whose birth could damage the mom the point she won’t be able to carry a future baby to term, was given permission by a judge to have an abortion. 

Then the Texas Supreme Court blocked it and the mom, already 20 weeks along, was told she would have to wait for a decision. The AG says just because the baby will die shortly after birth doesn’t mean it should be aborted before birth, and that an injury to a woman’s reproductive system does not qualify as a good enough reason to have an abortion - even if that means she can never get pregnant again. 

Also, in an added, and I believe related story, IT firms are packaging up and leaving Texas. 

[mollyanna58]

There is another thread on this under current events: ymam.proboards.com/thread/67341/texas-abortion-case

[pulmonarymd]

Well,she decided to leave Texas to have her abortion elsewhere, instead of waiting for the court to decide. Court can then punt decision because it will be moot, since she is no longer pregnant, and Texas can congratulate itself for preventing the abortion of a fetus with a terminal disease. Way to go Texas, just another example of compassionate conservatism.

[minnesotapaintlady]

I can't believe she's been so open with her name everywhere.  That poor woman is going to be completely tormented by the whack a doodles.

[swamp]

Dec 10, 2023 12:34:40 GMT -5 @pooks said:

I really feel for this woman, but I have to compartmentalize that and look at the politics of this and the politics don't seem to make any sense. 

I am a bit of a jumble, but I can't really make any sense out of it.  First this isn't even a base issue, no one seems to wants this.  Forcing the carrying of nonviable fetuses seems to be a fringe stance even on the right, like less than 10% of all people.  So what is the win here?  

Second I seem to recall that Tx is fighting a case right now and using the defense that the law is clear and doctors aren't performing legal abortions in emergency cases.  Blaming the doctors.  This escalation of this case to the TX SC would undermine that defense, because it validates the doctors' stance.  
 
BTW, I am a Dem, so I am trying to understand the other side, which right now seems self destructive to me. 

This.  

Most antiabortion people I know don't want a woman to carry a fetus that will die, and may actively harm the woman.  

I don't get it. 

[chiver78]

Dec 11, 2023 15:46:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

Dec 10, 2023 12:34:40 GMT -5 @pooks said:

I really feel for this woman, but I have to compartmentalize that and look at the politics of this and the politics don't seem to make any sense. 

I am a bit of a jumble, but I can't really make any sense out of it.  First this isn't even a base issue, no one seems to wants this.  Forcing the carrying of nonviable fetuses seems to be a fringe stance even on the right, like less than 10% of all people.  So what is the win here?  

Second I seem to recall that Tx is fighting a case right now and using the defense that the law is clear and doctors aren't performing legal abortions in emergency cases.  Blaming the doctors.  This escalation of this case to the TX SC would undermine that defense, because it validates the doctors' stance.  
 
BTW, I am a Dem, so I am trying to understand the other side, which right now seems self destructive to me. 

This.  

Most antiabortion people I know don't want a woman to carry a fetus that will die, and may actively harm the woman.  

I don't get it. 

I know you said most, so this isn't a challenge so much as just pointing out that we actually have one here on this board. I'm actually shocked she hasn't chimed in here yet. 

[busymom]

Dec 11, 2023 15:22:16 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Well,she decided to leave Texas to have her abortion elsewhere, instead of waiting for the court to decide. Court can then punt decision because it will be moot, since she is no longer pregnant, and Texas can congratulate itself for preventing the abortion of a fetus with a terminal disease. Way to go Texas, just another example of compassionate conservatism.

     I don't blame her.  Why should she poison her body just so the state of Texas can make a point?  It's all about the politicians.  It doesn't matter to them if she is never able to carry a pregnancy again.    


  My DD has already informed her fiancé that if he gets a job offer in Texas that he's going without her.  There is no point in allowing Texas to think that others approve of their form of stupidity.  Not to mention outright cruelty.  I doubt if every single woman left that state that the men who live there would get it.  They're THAT thick.