Trump’s 2025 plan

[happyhoix]

He actually has a written plan outlining what he will do once he gets re-elected. 

Will we finally get a beautiful health care plan? Peace in the Middle East? Nope. 

He’ll immediately declare a national emergency so he can deploy federal troops to quell any civil outbreaks. 

Then he’s got a list of every republican who has turned on him. Barr, Kelly, all the rest. He’ll gut the DOJ, replace everyone with partisan hacks, and sic it on all these enemies. 

Plus, he’ll launch an extensive investigation into Joe Biden and his crime family. 


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-allies-plot-revenge-justice-department-control-in-a-second-term/ar-AA1jpyY0?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=7d1a1c0a603140a4cd5130f2f2f4dfbb&ei=15

This is de ja vu all over again - remember how he promised to make America great again, then the first thing he did when elected in 2016 was rush through that tax break for big corporations and the rich? Of course he’ll devote himself to destroying anyone who displeased him, if he gets elected again. Of course this will take precedence over any national or international crisis that comes along. 

How can any sentient American know this and still vote for this guy? 

[tallguy]

Nov 5, 2023 8:40:32 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

He actually has a written plan outlining what he will do once he gets re-elected. 

Will we finally get a beautiful health care plan? Peace in the Middle East? Nope. 

He’ll immediately declare a national emergency so he can deploy federal troops to quell any civil outbreaks. 

Then he’s got a list of every republican who has turned on him. Barr, Kelly, all the rest. He’ll gut the DOJ, replace everyone with partisan hacks, and sic it on all these enemies. 

Plus, he’ll launch an extensive investigation into Joe Biden and his crime family. 


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-allies-plot-revenge-justice-department-control-in-a-second-term/ar-AA1jpyY0?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=7d1a1c0a603140a4cd5130f2f2f4dfbb&ei=15

This is de ja vu all over again - remember how he promised to make America great again, then the first thing he did when elected in 2016 was rush through that tax break for big corporations and the rich? Of course he’ll devote himself to destroying anyone who displeased him, if he gets elected again. Of course this will take precedence over any national or international crisis that comes along. 

How can any sentient American know this and still vote for this guy? 

There is no real justification anywhere to support Trump, the person.  Some will hold their nose and say it is about policies, but Trump the person is extremely anti-democratic and anti-everything that America is supposed to stand for.  His crimes against America are so egregious that I say there is a legitimate case to be made that anyone who still supports Trump the person at this point should be stripped of their citizenship.   

[resolution]

So the news today is that Trump is leading Biden in the swing states. Apparently people aren't too bothered by the whole fascism thing.

www.cnn.com/2023/11/05/politics/trump-leads-biden-in-key-swing-states-new-polling-finds/index.html

Registered voters in these six states give Trump the edge in trust over Biden to handle the economy, immigration, national security and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but trust Biden more on abortion, with a close split on handling democracy.

www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-vs-biden-poll-2024-presidential-election-year-out/

[Tennesseer]

This was trump's plan if elected in 2020.  Expect the same if elected in 2024.



SNOPES: Did Trump Say This About His Plans for a Second Term?

[djAdvocate]

i would like to be able to say that "as long as Trump does no better in 2024 than he did in 2020, everything will be fine", but that is not clear to me.  with the MAGA speaker of the House, with the potential defunding of elections (that appropriation is a House matter), with the attack on voting rights in many states, it is not at all certain that this is true.

the ONLY option at this point is to work like hell to make sure that he does not get elected, OR TO DISQUALIFY HIM.

if the Colorado case reaches the SCOTUS, and they rule favorably on it, would that NOT disqualify him nationally?  if so, i think that would be by far the best way forward for the US.

[djAdvocate]

One Pennsylvania voter the Times spoke with, who supported Biden in 2020 but now backs Trump, told the outlet: “The world is falling apart under Biden.”

1) the US is not responsible for the world.  even Trump says that.
2) the US is doing better than any other developed country right now.

hopefully this voter and others will wake up, and realize that Trump is a danger to the US AND the world.  if not, this 240 year experiment is over.

[billisonboard]

Thought this was a good article on the topic of federal money for elections: bipartisanpolicy.org/explainer/federal-election-funding-path/

[resolution]

I did my part by moving from MD to Pennsylvania. I'm even planning to vote next week even though the only thing on the ballot is judges. I used to never vote for or against judges because I'm not a legal expert and had no way to determine if they were doing a good job or not, but unfortunately even the judges have turned into political activists, so I am forced to vote by party.

[djAdvocate]

PS- i hate reading about people who change their minds based on non-facts.  i really hate it.  it is far too common, and upsets me every time i hear it.  i am not sure what to do about it.  i mean, what can i do other than ignore it?

[resolution]

Nov 5, 2023 12:17:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

PS- i hate reading about people who change their minds based on non-facts.  i really hate it.  it is far too common, and upsets me every time i hear it.  i am not sure what to do about it.  i mean, what can i do other than ignore it?

I have family members that have done this. I had to enact a "no political discussion" rule in order to keep a decent relationship with everyone.

An example is my parents who were avid cruisers, who have somehow decided that the government wants to take away their retirement savings so that they can send homeless people on cruises in their place. There is literally no logic I can use to prove that Biden isn't planning to take away their cruises.

[kadee79]

I found this article the other day.  It pretty much lays out all the plans DT & his cohorts have been working on since he lost the last election.  Pretty darn sick!

We here at Salon have been documenting Donald Trump's plans for his restoration ever since he was exiled to his Palm Beach social club on January 20, 2021. It was clear from that moment on that he was plotting his comeback and the people around him weren't just licking their wounds and preparing to move on, they were readying plans to ensure that Trump's second term permanently solidified their power. They've been hard at work ever since.

Their project began the previous fall, with a plan called "Schedule F" which was implemented just 13 days before the election. The presidential edict called for the stripping of all the executive branch departments, from the FBI to intelligence agencies to the Pentagon and, of course, the usual suspects at the EPA and the IRS. Biden reversed this upon taking office and Congress passed some roadblocks to trying it in the future but nobody believes they will be effective if Trump, or frankly, any Republican, once again assumes the presidency. (Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has endorsed this concept promising to "slit the throats" of government bureaucrats if he were to take office.)

Trump has continued giving speeches on the subject although they don't get much coverage in the mainstream media. In the summer of 2022, before he had announced his run, he addressed his own vanity "think tank," the America First Policy Institute:

“We need to make it much easier to fire rogue bureaucrats who are deliberately undermining democracy or, at a minimum, just want to keep their jobs. They want to hold onto their jobs. Congress should pass historic reforms empowering the president to ensure that any bureaucrat who is corrupt, incompetent or unnecessary for the job can be told—did you ever hear this—‘You’re fired, get out, you’re fired.’ [You] have to do it. Deep state. Washington will be an entirely different place.”

Needless to say, Trump's notion of who is corrupt, incompetent or necessary is purely dictated by their loyalty to him personally.

There is also Trump's Agenda 47, a laundry list of extremist right-wing "policies" described by Salon's Chauncy DeVega this way:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-purge-begins-with-the-federalist-society/ar-AA1jkGKW?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=2762168a66a24d1c998be72cb0c70721&ei=58

[djAdvocate]

i had a thought about all of this.  i will share it with you later.  Sundays are busy for me.  

[Tennesseer]

Article from the New York Times. Similar to article Kadee88 posted above.

If Trump Wins, His Allies Want Lawyers Who Will Bless a More Radical Agenda

Politically appointed lawyers sometimes frustrated Donald J. Trump’s ambitions. His allies are planning to install more aggressive legal gatekeepers if he regains the White House.

Close allies of Donald J. Trump are preparing to populate a new administration with a more aggressive breed of right-wing lawyer, dispensing with traditional conservatives who they believe stymied his agenda in his first term.

The allies have been drawing up lists of lawyers they view as ideologically and temperamentally suited to serve in a second Trump administration. Their aim is to reduce the chances that politically appointed lawyers would frustrate a more radical White House agenda — as they sometimes did when Mr. Trump was in office, by raising objections to his desires for certain harsher immigration policies or for greater personal control over the Justice Department, among others.

Now, as Trump allies grow more confident in an election victory next fall, several outside groups, staffed by former Trump officials who are expected to serve in senior roles if he wins, have begun parallel personnel efforts. At the start of Mr. Trump’s term, his administration relied on the influential Federalist Society, the conservative legal network whose members filled key executive branch legal roles and whose leader helped select his judicial nominations. But in a striking shift, Trump allies are building new recruiting pipelines separate from the Federalist Society.

These back-room discussions were described by seven people with knowledge of the planning, most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. In addition, The New York Times interviewed former senior lawyers in the Trump administration and other allies who have remained close to the former president and are likely to serve in a second term.

The interviews reveal a significant break within the conservative movement. Top Trump allies have come to view their party’s legal elites — even leaders with seemingly impeccable conservative credentials — as out of step with their movement.

Rest of article here: If Trump Wins, His Allies Want Lawyers Who Will Bless a More Radical Agenda

[NastyWoman]

The loser has a WRITTEN plan   Of course, in Sharpie! Time to update my investment plans 

I don't understand why MAGA people seem to hate their country so much that they are willing to risk its continued existence in their adulation of what looks like a rabid orange baboon.

[happyhoix]

Nov 5, 2023 12:23:55 GMT -5 resolution said:

Nov 5, 2023 12:17:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

PS- i hate reading about people who change their minds based on non-facts.  i really hate it.  it is far too common, and upsets me every time i hear it.  i am not sure what to do about it.  i mean, what can i do other than ignore it?

I have family members that have done this. I had to enact a "no political discussion" rule in order to keep a decent relationship with everyone.

An example is my parents who were avid cruisers, who have somehow decided that the government wants to take away their retirement savings so that they can send homeless people on cruises in their place. There is literally no logic I can use to prove that Biden isn't planning to take away their cruises.

Reminds me of my mom back when Obama was running for president the first time.

She and all her blue haired ladies in her bridge club decided if Obama got elected the government would bus inner city blacks to the suburbs where they would show up on her doorstep to kick her out of her house so they could move in.

I could not convince her otherwise.

[happyhoix]

Nov 5, 2023 11:56:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

One Pennsylvania voter the Times spoke with, who supported Biden in 2020 but now backs Trump, told the outlet: “The world is falling apart under Biden.”

1) the US is not responsible for the world.  even Trump says that.
2) the US is doing better than any other developed country right now.

hopefully this voter and others will wake up, and realize that Trump is a danger to the US AND the world.  if not, this 240 year experiment is over.

I have my fingers crossed the economy continues to improve. The Dow had a good day because the fed didn’t increase the interest rate. The economy is percolating. Jobless rate dropped. Gas around here is under 3 bucks. I know none of these things are directly controlled by the president, but if they keep improving, and if we get Trump in an orange jumpsuit having a very public melt down, maybe a year from now things will be ok.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 5, 2023 17:39:50 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 5, 2023 12:23:55 GMT -5 resolution said:

I have family members that have done this. I had to enact a "no political discussion" rule in order to keep a decent relationship with everyone.

An example is my parents who were avid cruisers, who have somehow decided that the government wants to take away their retirement savings so that they can send homeless people on cruises in their place. There is literally no logic I can use to prove that Biden isn't planning to take away their cruises.

Reminds me of my mom back when Obama was running for president the first time.

She and all her blue haired ladies in her bridge club decided if Obama got elected the government would bus inner city blacks to the suburbs where they would show up on her doorstep to kick her out of her house so they could move in.

I could not convince her otherwise.

The blue haired lady members of the bride club should have put their crack pipes down after hearing your rebuttal.

[countrygirl2]

i hope so are we are finished as a country. Can us liberals mount a resistance? Why can't people see this? I have said and still say he is the antichrist.

[happyhoix]

Nov 5, 2023 20:06:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 5, 2023 17:39:50 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Reminds me of my mom back when Obama was running for president the first time.

She and all her blue haired ladies in her bridge club decided if Obama got elected the government would bus inner city blacks to the suburbs where they would show up on her doorstep to kick her out of her house so they could move in.

I could not convince her otherwise.

The blue haired lady members of the bride club should have put their crack pipes down after hearing your rebuttal.

I think I would be less embarrassed if my mom and her friends got high and talked crazy then knowing their ridiculous talk came from plain old racism. 

[djAdvocate]

Nov 5, 2023 17:44:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 5, 2023 11:56:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

One Pennsylvania voter the Times spoke with, who supported Biden in 2020 but now backs Trump, told the outlet: “The world is falling apart under Biden.”

1) the US is not responsible for the world.  even Trump says that.
2) the US is doing better than any other developed country right now.

hopefully this voter and others will wake up, and realize that Trump is a danger to the US AND the world.  if not, this 240 year experiment is over.

I have my fingers crossed the economy continues to improve. The Dow had a good day because the fed didn’t increase the interest rate. The economy is percolating. Jobless rate dropped. Gas around here is under 3 bucks. I know none of these things are directly controlled by the president, but if they keep improving, and if we get Trump in an orange jumpsuit having a very public melt down, maybe a year from now things will be ok.

talk to a Trump supporter right now.  they will tell you the economy is shit right now, and was great under Trump.  i am not kidding.  ask them.  the economy that shed the most jobs under any first term president in US history was BETTER than the economy that added the most jobs of any first term president in US history.

not exaggerating.  facts.

[happyhoix]

Nov 5, 2023 22:23:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 5, 2023 17:44:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I have my fingers crossed the economy continues to improve. The Dow had a good day because the fed didn’t increase the interest rate. The economy is percolating. Jobless rate dropped. Gas around here is under 3 bucks. I know none of these things are directly controlled by the president, but if they keep improving, and if we get Trump in an orange jumpsuit having a very public melt down, maybe a year from now things will be ok.

talk to a Trump supporter right now.  they will tell you the economy is shit right now, and was great under Trump.  i am not kidding.  ask them.  the economy that shed the most jobs under any first term president in US history was BETTER than the economy that added the most jobs of any first term president in US history.

not exaggerating.  facts.

Oh I believe you.

The MAGA gang also believe all of these 91 charges against Trump and his business and kids are 100% politically motivated fake charges from horribly corrupt DAs and courts.

[resolution]

It is not Biden's fault, but if they didn't get a raise or move to a higher paying job, they are worse off than they were two years ago. I can see why someone would say that the economy is shit now. It doesn't help them one bit that job openings are up if they don't apply for a new job and don't work for someone that gives out raises.

Even with a nice raise, I feel worse off every time I go grocery shopping. If I didn't keep up with the causes and the fact that this is happening all around the world, it would be easy to blame Biden.

[tbop77]

Nov 5, 2023 22:23:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 5, 2023 17:44:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I have my fingers crossed the economy continues to improve. The Dow had a good day because the fed didn’t increase the interest rate. The economy is percolating. Jobless rate dropped. Gas around here is under 3 bucks. I know none of these things are directly controlled by the president, but if they keep improving, and if we get Trump in an orange jumpsuit having a very public melt down, maybe a year from now things will be ok.

talk to a Trump supporter right now.  they will tell you the economy is shit right now, and was great under Trump.  i am not kidding.  ask them.  the economy that shed the most jobs under any first term president in US history was BETTER than the economy that added the most jobs of any first term president in US history.

not exaggerating.  facts.

Talk to a Trump supporter right now.  That's the DEMS fault.  They perpetrated the fake COVID virus on the US to steal the election.  Low gas prices do not have anything to do with supply and demand, it was because Trump was so great.  

I read this article yesterday.  It perfectly explains the GOP strategy over the last 50 years.  


They started this during the Reagan presidency and tripled down on it during the presidencies of Bush and Trump with massive tax cuts for billionaires and increases in spending across-the-board.



Those massive tax cuts and that uncontrolled spending during Republican presidencies produced three results:



They stimulated the economy with a sort of sugar high, making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy;



They raised the national debt dramatically (it’s at $32 trillion today, almost all of which tracks back to Reagan’s, Bush Jr.’s, and Trump’s massive tax cuts and Bush’s two illegal off-the-books wars);



And they made people think that Republicans are the “tax-cut Santa Clauses.”



Then comes part two of the one-two punch: when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “you must cut spending to solve the crisis!”

hartmannreport.com/p/the-debt-ceiling-is-just-two-santas

[djAdvocate]

Nov 6, 2023 8:13:14 GMT -5 resolution said:

It is not Biden's fault, but if they didn't get a raise or move to a higher paying job, they are worse off than they were two years ago. I can see why someone would say that the economy is shit now. It doesn't help them one bit that job openings are up if they don't apply for a new job and don't work for someone that gives out raises.

Even with a nice raise, I feel worse off every time I go grocery shopping. If I didn't keep up with the causes and the fact that this is happening all around the world, it would be easy to blame Biden.

i disagree with the word THE.  THE economy is not shit.  THEIR economy is shit.  and they are to blame for it, as you blithely pointed out.

but like Trump, they are a bunch of snowflakes who complain about things that they can fix, rather than just fixing them.

you are right about the provincialism of Americans.  i find it our MOST annoying and counterproductive trait.  well, other than our patriotism, maybe, which is certainly related.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 6, 2023 8:27:47 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Nov 5, 2023 22:23:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

talk to a Trump supporter right now.  they will tell you the economy is shit right now, and was great under Trump.  i am not kidding.  ask them.  the economy that shed the most jobs under any first term president in US history was BETTER than the economy that added the most jobs of any first term president in US history.

not exaggerating.  facts.

Talk to a Trump supporter right now.  That's the DEMS fault.  They perpetrated the fake COVID virus on the US to steal the election.  

hartmannreport.com/p/the-debt-ceiling-is-just-two-santas

the fake COVID virus that killed 1M+ people?

how is that even a thing?

[djAdvocate]

Nov 6, 2023 8:27:47 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Nov 5, 2023 22:23:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

talk to a Trump supporter right now.  they will tell you the economy is shit right now, and was great under Trump.  i am not kidding.  ask them.  the economy that shed the most jobs under any first term president in US history was BETTER than the economy that added the most jobs of any first term president in US history.

not exaggerating.  facts.

They started this during the Reagan presidency and tripled down on it during the presidencies of Bush and Trump with massive tax cuts for billionaires and increases in spending across-the-board.



Those massive tax cuts and that uncontrolled spending during Republican presidencies produced three results:



They stimulated the economy with a sort of sugar high, making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy;


hartmannreport.com/p/the-debt-ceiling-is-just-two-santas

first of all, tax cuts don't stimulate the economy.  i know it is fun to say it, but it is false:

www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2020/L-December/Tax-cuts-for-the-rich

it is embarrassing to have liberals repeat conservative lies.  we should stop it.  even Obama did it.

secondly, there was no "sugar high" because of it.  in fact, economic growth has been better under Democrats than under Republicans.  for example, it was better under the last three years of Obama than the first three years of Trump.  Democrats are actually better for the economy than Republicans.  but again, we have been lied to so much about this that we think the opposite is true.

so, yeah, this article, though well intended, is factually inaccurate.

[djAdvocate]

PS- the debt part of the article is right, however.  that is precisely how the GOP has done stuff.  and used it as leverage to cut social spending (which is actually far more economically stimulating than tax cuts).

[dondubble]

Nov 6, 2023 7:40:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 5, 2023 22:23:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

talk to a Trump supporter right now.  they will tell you the economy is shit right now, and was great under Trump.  i am not kidding.  ask them.  the economy that shed the most jobs under any first term president in US history was BETTER than the economy that added the most jobs of any first term president in US history.

not exaggerating.  facts.

Oh I believe you.

The MAGA gang also believe all of these 91 charges against Trump and his business and kids are 100% politically motivated fake charges from horribly corrupt DAs and courts.

I deal with these idiots every day on another board. They are especially idiotic on the economy and will never read my “far, far left liberal links”. My most recent was from the Brookings Institute on the real causes of our current inflation. This in rebuttal to a poster claiming the Fed is responsible. The messenger was shot, as usual, so the link went unread by the MAGA cadre.

[tbop77]

Nov 6, 2023 13:26:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 6, 2023 8:27:47 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Talk to a Trump supporter right now.  That's the DEMS fault.  They perpetrated the fake COVID virus on the US to steal the election.  

hartmannreport.com/p/the-debt-ceiling-is-just-two-santas

the fake COVID virus that killed 1M+ people?

how is that even a thing?

Just repeating what I hear from Trump supporters:

The virus didn't kill all those people, doctors were just postiing it as the cause of death to get more money.  

[tbop77]

Nov 6, 2023 13:31:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 6, 2023 8:27:47 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

They started this during the Reagan presidency and tripled down on it during the presidencies of Bush and Trump with massive tax cuts for billionaires and increases in spending across-the-board.



Those massive tax cuts and that uncontrolled spending during Republican presidencies produced three results:



They stimulated the economy with a sort of sugar high, making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy;


hartmannreport.com/p/the-debt-ceiling-is-just-two-santas

first of all, tax cuts don't stimulate the economy.  i know it is fun to say it, but it is false:

www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2020/L-December/Tax-cuts-for-the-rich

it is embarrassing to have liberals repeat conservative lies.  we should stop it.  even Obama did it.

secondly, there was no "sugar high" because of it.  in fact, economic growth has been better under Democrats than under Republicans.  for example, it was better under the last three years of Obama than the first three years of Trump.  Democrats are actually better for the economy than Republicans.  but again, we have been lied to so much about this that we think the opposite is true.

so, yeah, this article, though well intended, is factually inaccurate.

Read the whole article which does explain the lie from the GOP about tax cuts. 

From the link:


Using this strategy, Republicans held power for forty years, transferred over $50 trillion from working class families into the money bins of the top one percent, and cut organized labor's representation in the workplace from around a third of workers when Reagan came into office to around 6 percent of the non-governmental workforce today.



Think back to Ronald Reagan, who more than tripled the US debt from a mere $800 billion to $2.6 trillion in his 8 years. That spending produced a massive stimulus to the economy, and the biggest non-wartime increase in America’s national debt in all of our history.

There was nary a peep from Republicans about that 218% increase in our debt; they were just fine with it and to this day claim Reagan presided over a “great” economy.