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Post by thyme4change on Oct 4, 2023 16:04:54 GMT -5
I keep telling myself that the radical MAGA people have to set themselves on fire, and they are going to take down as many people as they can with them. Unfortunately, we have to live through the chaos and fire. But I am just telling myself the mess is necessary for them to lose. Darkest before the dawn and all that crap. Either that, or America will be a mess for the rest of my life.
What will their demise look like? Will the party discipline them? Will voters abandon them? Will they leave the party? Will their demise be sudden, or will they quietly move to a more amenable position?
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 4, 2023 16:11:30 GMT -5
Gym Jordan the new Speaker of the House? Nope.
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 4, 2023 16:56:45 GMT -5
Several republicans do and Troy Nehls is planning to nominate him. That would be fun to watch, Trump attempting to run the House Republican caucus. How would that even be possible? There is nothing in the law that provides a place for him. He has not been elected and even the non voting members (the representatives of territories, DC) are elected and seats are specific to who they represent. Somehow, even if 100% of the repubs agreed with this, I done think it can be done at all. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 4, 2023 17:21:10 GMT -5
That would be fun to watch, Trump attempting to run the House Republican caucus. How would that even be possible? There is nothing in the law that provides a place for him. He has not been elected and even the non voting members (the representatives of territories, DC) are elected and seats are specific to who they represent. Somehow, even if 100% of the repubs agreed with this, I done think it can be done at all. sure it can. they can elect the DC City Dogcatcher the SOH. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 4, 2023 18:01:40 GMT -5
How would that even be possible? There is nothing in the law that provides a place for him. He has not been elected and even the non voting members (the representatives of territories, DC) are elected and seats are specific to who they represent. Somehow, even if 100% of the repubs agreed with this, I done think it can be done at all. sure it can. they can elect the DC City Dogcatcher the SOH. Still needs to be elected and somehow I don't think the loser has much of a chance with the DC voters |
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 4, 2023 18:12:07 GMT -5
sure it can. they can elect the DC City Dogcatcher the SOH. Still needs to be elected and somehow I don't think the loser has much of a chance with the DC voters The Speaker is elected by the members of the House of Representatives. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 4, 2023 18:56:27 GMT -5
Still needs to be elected and somehow I don't think the loser has much of a chance with the DC voters The Speaker is elected by the members of the House of Representatives. True but my point is that I believe the Speaker can only be a member of the House not some Shaman who had the coolest outfit on Jan 6th, or the one who uses the most orange body paint because the members invested in the paint factory |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 4, 2023 19:02:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately, no. They can pick Attila the Hun if they wish. Doesn’t have to be a member of the house.
Trump won’t do it. He doesn’t want yo work that hard. It would require him to actually try to do something
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 4, 2023 19:15:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately, no. They can pick Attila the Hun if they wish. Doesn’t have to be a member of the house. Trump won’t do it. He doesn’t want yo work that hard. It would require him to actually try to do something He already said he was ‘open to the idea,’ Just this very day he had a temper tantrum in front of the court house about how he needed to be out in the campaign trail but he was being forced to sit in this court house and listen to this sham and shame take place (he doesn’t have to attend, he wants to) and now he is considering taking on this position that take him away from the campaign even more? He won’t do it, though, because he would need to be unanimously voted for by every GOP member, and lauded on the house floor as a prince. He couldn’t stand to run and lose because some GOP members wouldn’t vote for him, which I think is very possible. Couldn’t stand to be a loser yet again, on TV, in a setting where it is impossible to claim the vote was fixed. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 4, 2023 20:13:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately, no. They can pick Attila the Hun if they wish. Doesn’t have to be a member of the house. Trump won’t do it. He doesn’t want yo work that hard. It would require him to actually try to do something That is interesting. So you are saying that a non-member of the House would be eligible to run the show? He can't become a member as that number is, by law, limited to 435. Now as a non-member none of the (admittedly few) requirements would app!y to that new speaker. No citizen requirement, no age requirement,nothing. They could theoretically propose Putin as speaker, or Boeber's teenage now a baby daddy son, heck why not the Green River Killer he has time enough on his hands sitting in prison? Is really the Constitution really this badly written? That is truly scary Good thing the Senate at least knows what its priorities should be: their dress code |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 4, 2023 21:33:22 GMT -5
Yes, he would be a non-voting speaker. Unfortunately, our founders never envisioned that a party would become this crave. They thought we were better than this
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 4, 2023 22:21:53 GMT -5
Unfortunately, no. They can pick Attila the Hun if they wish. Doesn’t have to be a member of the house. Trump won’t do it. He doesn’t want yo work that hard. It would require him to actually try to do something That is interesting. So you are saying that a non-member of the House would be eligible to run the show? He can't become a member as that number is, by law, limited to 435. Now as a non-member none of the (admittedly few) requirements would app!y to that new speaker. No citizen requirement, no age requirement,nothing. They could theoretically propose Putin as speaker, or Boeber's teenage now a baby daddy son, heck why not the Green River Killer he has time enough on his hands sitting in prison? Is really the Constitution really this badly written? That is truly scary Good thing the Senate at least knows what its priorities should be: their dress code Yes, it has parts that aren't as well written as it might have been. But this part is clear. The Constitution of the United States
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 5, 2023 10:31:24 GMT -5
I have often wondered if it would be better if the speaker of the house wasn’t a member of congress. Get some non-partisan admin type to be the master of ceremony and come at things from a logical process. That would have put a stop to this impeachment bullshit. If the Senate had been run by a nonpartisan, the Supreme Court would look different. I like those people who take the role call. They look all business and annoyed - they would make a better leader than the shit show we have going now.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2023 11:03:19 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2023 11:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 5, 2023 13:17:53 GMT -5
I have often wondered if it would be better if the speaker of the house wasn’t a member of congress. Get some non-partisan admin type to be the master of ceremony and come at things from a logical process. That would have put a stop to this impeachment bullshit. If the Senate had been run by a nonpartisan, the Supreme Court would look different. I like those people who take the role call. They look all business and annoyed - they would make a better leader than the shit show we have going now. Don't you think that this would result in another "neutral" non-political party like the SC we have right now? For how long would this person be in charge? Who would appoint/elect them? (Most) people like power. Adding yet another layer of power to abuse does not seem a great idea. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 5, 2023 15:16:25 GMT -5
NEWYORKER Andy Borowitz House Republicans Hold Emergency Meeting to See Who Has to Sit Next to Matt Gaetz Andy Borowitz Surprising insiders, Rep. Lauren Boebert objected to being seated next to Gaetz. “Even I have standards,” she said. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 5, 2023 16:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 5, 2023 20:54:02 GMT -5
I have often wondered if it would be better if the speaker of the house wasn’t a member of congress. Get some non-partisan admin type to be the master of ceremony and come at things from a logical process. That would have put a stop to this impeachment bullshit. If the Senate had been run by a nonpartisan, the Supreme Court would look different. I like those people who take the role call. They look all business and annoyed - they would make a better leader than the shit show we have going now. Don't you think that this would result in another "neutral" non-political party like the SC we have right now? For how long would this person be in charge? Who would appoint/elect them? (Most) people like power. Adding yet another layer of power to abuse does not seem a great idea. Of course - people can ruin anything. |
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 5, 2023 21:13:06 GMT -5
Trae Crowder....Love this guy. And boy can he talk fast!
Give it a few seconds since it's a Twitter feed...
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Post by Opti on Oct 6, 2023 0:21:57 GMT -5
It was interesting to watch some clips Seth Meyers aired on his show this morning. Fox news and others are blaming the Dems for McCarthy's removal instead of Matt Gaetz who was the one who requested the vote. Seth made the perfect observation that the GOP set would have jumped at the chance to oust Nancy Pelosi had something similar happened to her. Morally bankrupt blamers and they still think they are Christian.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 6, 2023 6:02:46 GMT -5
Democrats didn't have the votes to do it.
they only had the votes to SAVE HIM.
so, yeah. they didn't save him.
why would they?
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Oct 6, 2023 7:30:27 GMT -5
Democrats didn't have the votes to do it. they only had the votes to SAVE HIM. so, yeah. they didn't save him. why would they? I would have preferred they save McCarthy than have Jordan be speaker.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 6, 2023 8:23:35 GMT -5
Democrats didn't have the votes to do it. they only had the votes to SAVE HIM. so, yeah. they didn't save him. why would they? I would have preferred they save McCarthy than have Jordan be speaker. me too. but it is too soon to say that he WILL be Speaker. it is worth noting that Jordan is very close to the J6 inquiry. it would be extremely unwise to elect him Speaker. not that they won't consider it. they will. |
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 6, 2023 8:45:05 GMT -5
Instead of having voted to save McCarthy, I think Democratic help to elect the new Speaker could work out more to their advantage long term.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 8, 2023 15:44:38 GMT -5
Instead of having voted to save McCarthy, I think Democratic help to elect the new Speaker could work out more to their advantage long term. Couldn’t the Dems and moderate GOP members get together to pick a non-lunatic fringe GOP member to vote for, to ensure Jordan or Trump or any of the other dismal GOP options won’t win? They’d only need enough dems to out vote the MGT crowd. |
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 8, 2023 15:50:21 GMT -5
I hope this is a shit show.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 8, 2023 16:01:31 GMT -5
Instead of having voted to save McCarthy, I think Democratic help to elect the new Speaker could work out more to their advantage long term. Couldn’t the Dems and moderate GOP members get together to pick a non-lunatic fringe GOP member to vote for, to ensure Jordan or Trump or any of the other dismal GOP options won’t win? They’d only need enough dems to out vote the MGT crowd. Yes. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Oct 8, 2023 16:43:45 GMT -5
Instead of having voted to save McCarthy, I think Democratic help to elect the new Speaker could work out more to their advantage long term. Couldn’t the Dems and moderate GOP members get together to pick a non-lunatic fringe GOP member to vote for, to ensure Jordan or Trump or any of the other dismal GOP options won’t win? They’d only need enough dems to out vote the MGT crowd. Don't forget that it was the "moderate GOP" that tried to block every single thing Obama did, including what should have been his Supreme Court nominations. Not as crazy as Gaetz is still a long way from good. |
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 8, 2023 17:10:42 GMT -5
Couldn’t the Dems and moderate GOP members get together to pick a non-lunatic fringe GOP member to vote for, to ensure Jordan or Trump or any of the other dismal GOP options won’t win? They’d only need enough dems to out vote the MGT crowd. Don't forget that it was the "moderate GOP" that tried to block every single thing Obama did, including what should have been his Supreme Court nominations. Not as crazy as Gaetz is still a long way from good. There will be a Republican Speaker of the House. The Democrats might be able to have a voice in which one that will be. That would be a major win. |
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