ripvanwinkle
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Jun 19, 2024 22:23:53 GMT -5
your post seems to equate "illegal" with "foreign national". do you recognize any difference between those two things? Yeah, a "Foreign National" has applied for entry, has papers, passport, visa's etc but a "Illegal" has none of those. And now that we have AI capabilities to make fake videos, I wonder when the Dems are going to start saying the videos of the thousand illegals per day pouring across the border are just AI fakes?
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 20, 2024 0:19:42 GMT -5
your post seems to equate "illegal" with "foreign national". do you recognize any difference between those two things? Yeah, a "Foreign National" has applied for entry, has papers, passport, visa's etc but a "Illegal" has none of those. And now that we have AI capabilities to make fake videos, I wonder when the Dems are going to start saying the videos of the thousand illegals per day pouring across the border are just AI fakes? Nope, anyone who only has a non-US nationality is a "Foreign National". It has nothing to do with " papers, passport, visas, etc. And just to make it more fun: under export control rules you can be a US person even as a foreign national, while at the same time it is possible to be a foreign person even if you are a born and raised US passport toting person. You really need to get your definitions correct
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 20, 2024 4:18:25 GMT -5
Nasty is really good at this stuff.
that is exactly right.
and it is perfectly legal for foreign nationals to be here. many nations have a visa program with the US, so you can simply show your OWN national ID, and that is sufficient. until your tacit visa expires (90-180 days in most cases) you continue to be perfectly legal in the US.
this actually includes border crossers. i am not sure how it works with those that cross the border illegally, and have a visa. it is probably just a handslap and some paperwork. but it might be more serious than that.
AGAIN- 99% of foreign nationals have every right to come here. a considerable number of "undocumented" people do, as well, due to international law.
many Americans seem to think that anyone without a US passport should leave. i would ask anyone that thinks that to consider what you would think if any other country said that to a person with a US passport, but they likely don't care, because they seem to imagine (wrongly) that there is no place better to be than here.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jun 20, 2024 4:33:30 GMT -5
Nasty is really good at this stuff. that is exactly right. and it is perfectly legal for foreign nationals to be here. many nations have a visa program with the US, so you can simply show your OWN national ID, and that is sufficient. until your tacit visa expires (90-180 days in most cases) you continue to be perfectly legal in the US. this actually includes border crossers. i am not sure how it works with those that cross the border illegally, and have a visa. it is probably just a handslap and some paperwork. but it might be more serious than that. AGAIN- 99% of foreign nationals have every right to come here. a considerable number of "undocumented" people do, as well, due to international law. many Americans seem to think that anyone without a US passport should leave. i would ask anyone that thinks that to consider what you would think if any other country said that to a person with a US passport, but they likely don't care, because they seem to imagine (wrongly) that there is no place better to be than here. My maternal great great grandparents immigrated from Canada in the 1800s. Same line great grand parents, grand parents, and my mom were all born here as US citizens. My father immigrated legally from Poland after WWII. I do not have a passport. Where am I supposed to go? DH's paternal ancestors have been Americans since the revolutionary war, and his maternal ancestors since the same general time frame. He does not have a passport. Where is he supposed to go? I think a large chunk of Americans do not have a passport. Where are they supposed to go? The broad generality thinking of so many people is just ridiculous!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 20, 2024 4:59:18 GMT -5
it is. it is nationalism at it's absolute worst.
it is "othering".
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 20, 2024 5:01:29 GMT -5
again, to relay a story, i have traveled with an undocmented person.
when we got to Istanbul, they went to a small office where they paid something like $24 and got a visa. no big deal. and this is precisely how it should be in the US.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 20, 2024 5:20:05 GMT -5
incidentally, in case you don't know (i didn't, until about 5 years ago), US citizenship is for sale.
if you have $800k, you can become a US citizen in (5) years. it is called an EB-5. so yeah, it sucks if you don't have $800k, but any other asshole can come here, no matter how detestable, or how "other" they are.
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