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Post by ripvanwinkle on Feb 25, 2024 18:46:35 GMT -5
Another sad incident on our lax and ineffective border policy. I can bet he said all the correct asylum answers to the questions the coyotes tutored him on to get into the US border.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2024 19:16:41 GMT -5
Another sad incident on our lax and ineffective border policy. I can bet he said all the correct asylum answers to the questions the coyotes tutored him on to get into the US border.
Here is an even sadder event. Beside the bolded article title, scroll down the article for more bolded text. Read it and then read it again. Fox Host Confronts Republican on House GOP 'Vacation' Amid Border CrisisRepresentative Nancy Mace, a South Carolina Republican, responded to criticism on Sunday by Fox News host Shannon Bream about Republicans taking a "vacation" amid ongoing debates over a U.S.-Mexico border bill and further aid to Ukraine. The Senate passed a bipartisan foreign aid bill earlier this month that seeks to provide military aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. The Senate approved the foreign aid spending bill in a 70-29 vote, which provides $61 billion to Ukraine as it continues to fight in its ongoing war with Russia. The bill now moves to the House, where Speaker Mike Johnson, a Louisiana Republican, has expressed opposition to the legislation, calling for additional measures to be added relating to securing the U.S.-Mexico border. Following the passage of the bill in the Senate, President Joe Biden called on House members to vote in favor of moving it forward so he can sign it. "I call on the speaker to let the full House speak its mind and not allow a minority of the most extreme voices in the House to block this bill even from being voted on," Biden said. "This is a critical act for the House to move." However, the House is taking a 13-day recess, which has stalled the bill. During an appearance on Fox News Sunday, Mace discussed the stall in additional aid to Ukraine amid the growing tensions at the southern border. "Before anything else happens with Ukraine and the U.S. funding for Ukraine, what I want to know is what are we doing about the invasion and international security at our southern border," Mace said. However, Bream noted a criticism from Biden in regards to the stall in which the president previously said, regarding Republicans and the 13-day recess, "you just went on vacation" instead of staying to get the bill moving. On Sunday, Bream also pointed to Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley's criticism of the stall in which the former South Carolina governor said, "The problem is Congress should have gotten in a room and kept going until they could get a strong bill, instead they went home on break for two weeks and then [Donald] Trump goes and tells them to not get anything done until after the general election."Trump has previously urged Republicans not to accept anything less than a "perfect" border deal before the general election in November, sparking questions about whether some Republicans are working to prevent Biden from scoring a victory by signing the border bill into law.Immigration is among the top issues ahead of the 2024 presidential election, with polls showing doubts over Biden's handling of the situation, on which Republican frontrunner Trump has promised tougher action. There were more than 2.4 million encounters at the U.S.-Mexico border during the 2023 fiscal year, up from roughly 1.7 million in 2021, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data. Bream then asked the congresswoman: "What about this idea, this criticism that president Trump is calling the shots telling you guys what to do, you are not solving the border when you could, heat from the White House and from the GOP?" Mace refuted the idea that she is taking a vacation, adding that she does not take orders from anybody. "Well first of all I don't ever take a break, I work seven days a week and I also don't take orders from anybody. I don't care if they have a R or a D by their name, but the truth of the matter is, to fact check that remark, is that the House Republicans has sent over not one, but two border security bills." Newsweek has reached out to Mace's office and the White House via email for comment. Mace's comments come after the text of the much-hyped bipartisan border security bill was released earlier this month, introducing what would be the most substantial border security reform in years, alongside aid packages for Ukraine and Israel. However, the $118 billion deal that would address key concerns at the southern border, was struck down by the GOP-led House as conservative hardliners argue the bill does not go far enough to end illegal immigration into the U.S. Fox Host Confronts Republican on House GOP 'Vacation' Amid Border Crisis |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 25, 2024 19:43:24 GMT -5
Another sad incident on our lax and ineffective border policy. I can bet he said all the correct asylum answers to the questions the coyotes tutored him on to get into the US border.
Maybe Congress could do something about the border instead of going on vacation. You do know they could pass a bill to improve the situation at the border. But republicans prefer to complain. Doing some opens you up to criticism of it doesn’t work. In addition, can’t do something Trump is against. Since the house still hasn’t passed a bill, ghe border mustn’t be a crisis |
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Feb 25, 2024 22:56:51 GMT -5
Another sad incident on our lax and ineffective border policy. I can bet he said all the correct asylum answers to the questions the coyotes tutored him on to get into the US border.
Maybe Congress could do something about the border instead of going on vacation. You do know they could pass a bill to improve the situation at the border. But republicans prefer to complain. Doing some opens you up to criticism of it doesn’t work. In addition, can’t do something Trump is against. Since the house still hasn’t passed a bill, the border mustn’t be a crisis I agree. Both parties are to blame. Going on vacation is bad form when the border issue in my mind the most pressing issue of the day. In my opinion separate the Ukraine and border issues and have 2 money bills. Give $200 million to the border and give Ukraine $25 million and close the never ending blank check book. They are going to be the next new Marshal Plan when this is all over. Billions more given to them.
Screw Russia. Have the NATO countries vote to accept Ukraine into the fold. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 25, 2024 23:01:27 GMT -5
Maybe Congress could do something about the border instead of going on vacation. You do know they could pass a bill to improve the situation at the border. But republicans prefer to complain. Doing some opens you up to criticism of it doesn’t work. In addition, can’t do something Trump is against. Since the house still hasn’t passed a bill, the border mustn’t be a crisis I agree. Both parties are to blame. Going on vacation is bad form when the border issue in my mind the most pressing issue of the day. Im y opinion separate the Ukraine and border issues and have 2 money bills. Give $200 million to the border and give Ukraine $25 million and close the never ending blank check book. They are going to be the next new Marshal Plan when this is all over. Billions more given to them.
Screw Russia. Have the NATO countries vote to accept Ukraine into the fold. No, both sides are not to blame. The Senate had a deal. Trump and Johnson blew it up, and the house has no alternative in process. If you blow up a bill, complain about the problem going on, and then avoid de as long with it, you are the problem. And that is exactly what ghe house did. If the border is as big a problem as republicans say it is, what have they proposed as the solution. The Senate had a bill until Trump told them to oppose it. Where is the house bill? The only conclusion is that the border isn’t a problem, since the house is not in session and has no plan to dedd as l with it ETA: you really don’t think things through, do you? If we add Ukraine to NATO, we are then responsible for protecting them according to Article 5. If you think we are spending too much on this, how much do you think that would cost. And are you willing to commit troops. Might as well give them a blank check if that is your solution |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 25, 2024 23:03:07 GMT -5
Maybe Congress could do something about the border instead of going on vacation. You do know they could pass a bill to improve the situation at the border. But republicans prefer to complain. Doing some opens you up to criticism of it doesn’t work. In addition, can’t do something Trump is against. Since the house still hasn’t passed a bill, the border mustn’t be a crisis I agree. Both parties are to blame. Going on vacation is bad form when the border issue in my mind the most pressing issue of the day. In my opinion separate the Ukraine and border issues and have 2 money bills. Give $200 million to the border and give Ukraine $25 million and close the never ending blank check book. They are going to be the next new Marshal Plan when this is all over. Billions more given to them.
Screw Russia. Have the NATO countries vote to accept Ukraine into the fold. the parties that are in charge of each individual branch are to blame. the House failure is the fault of the GOP. period. if the bill was brought to the floor, it would pass. the GOP also threatened to filibuster, even though Democrats have a majority in the Senate and would vote for it. and, of course, Biden would vote for it if it passed. so, we have Democrats in all three branches supporting it, and the GOP obstruction stopping it in two of them. if that is how you define "both", then i agree. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2024 0:11:00 GMT -5
Maybe Congress could do something about the border instead of going on vacation. You do know they could pass a bill to improve the situation at the border. But republicans prefer to complain. Doing some opens you up to criticism of it doesn’t work. In addition, can’t do something Trump is against. Since the house still hasn’t passed a bill, the border mustn’t be a crisis I agree. Both parties are to blame. Going on vacation is bad form when the border issue in my mind the most pressing issue of the day. In my opinion separate the Ukraine and border issues and have 2 money bills. Give $200 million to the border and give Ukraine $25 million and close the never ending blank check book. They are going to be the next new Marshal Plan when this is all over. Billions more given to them.
Screw Russia. Have the NATO countries vote to accept Ukraine into the fold. political party's leader, donald trump, does not want republicans in Congress to pass any of the offered security bills to pass until after the November presidential elections. That's eight more months of those in charge of border security having zero monies to increase and enforce security and stopping the migrants crossing our southern border. Your political party. Your political party's leader. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2024 17:07:07 GMT -5
you know what is sad? well, sad if you are at least somewhat sympathetic to the GOP:
Trump's ploy is going to POSSIBLY help Trump (possibly not), but it DEFINITELY hurts the GOP. so, basically he is gambling his fate against that of the party. not that this is an unusual bargain for him. it is how he works.
so, basically, the GOP is all in on Trump. and he is probably going to lose. so.....clearly gambling is not their thing.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Feb 26, 2024 21:58:08 GMT -5
I heard Biden is going to the border again. Haven't heard where but you can bet he'll go to a area where the least amount of illegals cross. Probably the city fathers will do a sweep of the homeless and clean it up like last time. Meanwhile Trump will probably go to the crossing that has the most illegals crossing.
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Post by dondubble on Feb 26, 2024 22:26:43 GMT -5
I heard Biden is going to the border again. Haven't heard where but you can bet he'll go to an area where the least amount of illegals cross. Probably the city fathers will do a sweep of the homeless and clean it up like last time. Meanwhile Trump will probably go to the crossing that has the most illegals crossing. And the repo-con Congress will not go at all…they are on vacation after refusing to do anything. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2024 23:19:33 GMT -5
I heard Biden is going to the border again. Haven't heard where but you can bet he'll go to an area where the least amount of illegals cross. Probably the city fathers will do a sweep of the homeless and clean it up like last time. Meanwhile Trump will probably go to the crossing that has the most illegals crossing. And the repo-con Congress will not go at all…they are on vacation after refusing to do anything. And after trump's visit to the border, he will still demand that republicans in congress not to work with the Democrats in passing a budget to secure the border until at least November 5th. And if trump loses the election (which he deserves to lose if for nothing else his childish poor sportsmanship), there will be four more years of claiming the elections were rigged and he will trash any republican in Congress working with the reelected Biden or other Democrat to pass a security budget. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2024 23:49:20 GMT -5
yeah. i am thinking who fucking cares about who is going to the border? that is not where policy is or SHOULD BE made.
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Post by Opti on Feb 27, 2024 6:38:48 GMT -5
I heard Biden is going to the border again. Haven't heard where but you can bet he'll go to a area where the least amount of illegals cross. Probably the city fathers will do a sweep of the homeless and clean it up like last time. Meanwhile Trump will probably go to the crossing that has the most illegals crossing. What does that matter given what Trump has done? Some pundit spinning nonsense you want to hear recently? What does it matter if or where Trump will visit the border after he proved its a Trump first universe for him on the latest immigration bill? If you like the Trump bread and circuses model, just admit you don't actually care what happens, you just enjoy the show he puts on for you. And consider learning Russian as he cares more for Russia's priorities than he does the priorities of the US. |
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Post by tbop77 on Feb 27, 2024 10:18:05 GMT -5
I heard Biden is going to the border again. Haven't heard where but you can bet he'll go to a area where the least amount of illegals cross. Probably the city fathers will do a sweep of the homeless and clean it up like last time. Meanwhile Trump will probably go to the crossing that has the most illegals crossing. I'm sure Trump will and I hope it reminds everyone how ineffective he was as President. He should have had the issue resolved with 4 years in office given it was his signature campaign promise. He could have hired the "best" people and worked with Congress. By that, I mean the great negotiator would have actually had to work to solve the problem. So think about it, if he had done that, what would rile up his base? You should understand by now you are being played. His big mouth on the last bill should prove that to you. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 27, 2024 10:41:15 GMT -5
Maybe Congress could do something about the border instead of going on vacation. You do know they could pass a bill to improve the situation at the border. But republicans prefer to complain. Doing some opens you up to criticism of it doesn’t work. In addition, can’t do something Trump is against. Since the house still hasn’t passed a bill, the border mustn’t be a crisis I agree. Both parties are to blame. Going on vacation is bad form when the border issue in my mind the most pressing issue of the day. In my opinion separate the Ukraine and border issues and have 2 money bills. Give $200 million to the border and give Ukraine $25 million and close the never ending blank check book. They are going to be the next new Marshal Plan when this is all over. Billions more given to them.
Screw Russia. Have the NATO countries vote to accept Ukraine into the fold. $25 million? You clearly don't know the cost of weaponry. Failure to back Ukraine could result in Russia expanding its territory grab into WW III. Some believe the U.S. should spend the financial aid to Ukraine in the States because the States have big problems here. That may be true (domestic problems) but don't know the cost of what a world war would cost today. The U.S. would be dragged into a world war. Pro-Trump Fox News Star Applauded For Making "Tough, Direct Call"Fox News star Mark Levin, the pro-Trump host of the weekend show Life, Liberty & Levin, recently commented on the state of Ukraine. He reports on X: “Russia is gaining on Ukraine, which is running out of certain crucial weaponry and having to pull back from areas it had controlled, and faces losing the war Russia started.” Levin adds that Ukraine’s relatively small economy can’t support the production of weaponry required to sustain a fight against Russia and cautions that “NATO countries border Ukraine. And if Putin moves on any of them, then what? He has said in the past that he is eyeing Poland, Romania, and the Balkan states.” Levin calls the status quo a “grave situation.” Levin’s position on Ukraine is being met with opposition by MAGA’s ‘America First’ faithful in the comments, where a representational take reads: “We’ve already wasted too much money over there, and we’ve got bigger problems here.” Rest of article here: Pro-Trump Fox News Star Applauded For Making "Tough, Direct Call" |
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 27, 2024 17:58:35 GMT -5
I think it is hard for the average Joe to understand how international events can effect them. It is easy to think we can just mind our own business. And if we did, it would probably look okay for some period of time, but not forever.
However, if the GOP decides to cut the military and foreign aid budget drastically and put that money into health and human services, I’d be pretty happy about that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2024 21:50:20 GMT -5
I agree. Both parties are to blame. Going on vacation is bad form when the border issue in my mind the most pressing issue of the day. In my opinion separate the Ukraine and border issues and have 2 money bills. Give $200 million to the border and give Ukraine $25 million and close the never ending blank check book. They are going to be the next new Marshal Plan when this is all over. Billions more given to them.
Screw Russia. Have the NATO countries vote to accept Ukraine into the fold. $25 million? You clearly don't know the cost of weaponry. Failure to back Ukraine could result in Russia expanding its territory grab into WW III. Some believe the U.S. should spend the financial aid to Ukraine in the States because the States have big problems here. That may be true (domestic problems) but don't know the cost of what a world war would cost today. The U.S. would be dragged into a world war. Pro-Trump Fox News Star Applauded For Making "Tough, Direct Call"Fox News star Mark Levin, the pro-Trump host of the weekend show Life, Liberty & Levin, recently commented on the state of Ukraine. He reports on X: “Russia is gaining on Ukraine, which is running out of certain crucial weaponry and having to pull back from areas it had controlled, and faces losing the war Russia started.” Levin adds that Ukraine’s relatively small economy can’t support the production of weaponry required to sustain a fight against Russia and cautions that “NATO countries border Ukraine. And if Putin moves on any of them, then what? He has said in the past that he is eyeing Poland, Romania, and the Balkan states.” Levin calls the status quo a “grave situation.” Levin’s position on Ukraine is being met with opposition by MAGA’s ‘America First’ faithful in the comments, where a representational take reads: “We’ve already wasted too much money over there, and we’ve got bigger problems here.”Rest of article here: Pro-Trump Fox News Star Applauded For Making "Tough, Direct Call"um...what? the US is the most successful Western Economy right now. the problems in Ukraine are LESS than ours? what kind of understanding does that suggest about Ukraine's problems? unbelievable. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 28, 2024 10:57:43 GMT -5
Maybe Congress could do something about the border instead of going on vacation. You do know they could pass a bill to improve the situation at the border. But republicans prefer to complain. Doing some opens you up to criticism of it doesn’t work. In addition, can’t do something Trump is against. Since the house still hasn’t passed a bill, the border mustn’t be a crisis I agree. Both parties are to blame. Going on vacation is bad form when the border issue in my mind the most pressing issue of the day. In my opinion separate the Ukraine and border issues and have 2 money bills. Give $200 million to the border and give Ukraine $25 million and close the never ending blank check book. They are going to be the next new Marshal Plan when this is all over. Billions more given to them.
Screw Russia. Have the NATO countries vote to accept Ukraine into the fold. Getting back to your chump change amount of $25 million to Ukraine to fight off the Russians and push them out of their country. Did you know the U.S. Senate bipartisanly passed a bill earlier this month for $60 billion in aid for Ukraine? The House refused to vote on it. It clearly shows you have zero idea of the cost of war. GOP strained by Trump-influenced shift from Reagan on RussiaIt’s not Ronald Reagan’s GOP anymore. The Republican Party’s shift from Russia hawk to something softer is straining the GOP at a crucial juncture, highlighting the ascendency of former President Trump’s “America First” approach and exasperating old-guard conservatives who long for a return to the assertive foreign policy championed by the party through generations prior. “Ronald Reagan would not recognize today’s GOP,” said John Conway, head of strategy for Republicans for Ukraine, a group pressing GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill to provide more military aid to Kyiv. “The fact that the Republican Party now has elements that are openly pro-Putin, that they have abandoned faith in American leadership in the world, it’s disgusting,” he continued. “It’s something Ronald Reagan couldn’t possibly ever believe would happen to his party. “He would be disgusted by today’s GOP.” The GOP divide over Russia is playing out in real time on Capitol Hill, where Congress is at an impasse over another round of aid for Ukraine’s beleaguered forces. While the Senate passed a bipartisan, $95 billion foreign aid package earlier this month, with $60 billion earmarked for Ukraine, Trump opposes the new funding and House GOP leaders have refused to consider the bill. Rest of article here: GOP strained by Trump-influenced shift from Reagan on Russia |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2024 13:37:06 GMT -5
i think about this all the time/\. the Democrats are now where the GOP was under Reagan. and the Republicans? it is hard to even describe where they are, other than fascist sympathizers. if someone can come up with a better way of viewing it, i would be open to it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 28, 2024 15:19:28 GMT -5
i think about this all the time/\. the Democrats are now where the GOP was under Reagan. and the Republicans? it is hard to even describe where they are, other than fascist sympathizers. if someone can come up with a better way of viewing it, i would be open to it. On my cell phone at the moment. But there was a breaking news article that Mitch McConnell would step down as leader of the Republican party in the U.S. senate after the November elections.. Maybe had enough of trying to get his party to work with the Democrats in the senate? |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 28, 2024 15:20:28 GMT -5
i think about this all the time/\. the Democrats are now where the GOP was under Reagan. and the Republicans? it is hard to even describe where they are, other than fascist sympathizers. if someone can come up with a better way of viewing it, i would be open to it. On my cell phone at the moment. But there was a breaking news article that Mitch McConnell would step down as leader of the Republican party in the U.S. senate after the November elections.. Maybe had enough of trying to get his party to work with the Democrats in the senate? Or he knows that he has created his galactic empire and now it's time to sit on his throne in the Death Star?  I mean while he didn't start this he sure helped it along as soon as he vowed to make Obama a one term president. |
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Post by dondubble on Feb 28, 2024 15:25:51 GMT -5
i think about this all the time/\. the Democrats are now where the GOP was under Reagan. and the Republicans? it is hard to even describe where they are, other than fascist sympathizers. if someone can come up with a better way of viewing it, i would be open to it. Not just sympathizers. You are being too kind. |
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Post by tallguy on Feb 28, 2024 15:33:36 GMT -5
i think about this all the time/\. the Democrats are now where the GOP was under Reagan. and the Republicans? it is hard to even describe where they are, other than fascist sympathizers. if someone can come up with a better way of viewing it, i would be open to it. Not just sympathizers. You are being too kind. True. The Republican Party is almost full-on fascist at this point. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2024 17:19:42 GMT -5
i will go with enablers, since that term has historical context.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 28, 2024 17:44:59 GMT -5
i think about this all the time/\. the Democrats are now where the GOP was under Reagan. and the Republicans? it is hard to even describe where they are, other than fascist sympathizers. if someone can come up with a better way of viewing it, i would be open to it. On my cell phone at the moment. But there was a breaking news article that Mitch McConnell would step down as leader of the Republican party in the U.S. senate after the November elections.. Maybe had enough of trying to get his party to work with the Democrats in the senate? |
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Post by tallguy on Feb 28, 2024 18:10:33 GMT -5
i will go with enablers, since that term has historical context. Go ahead and include that in the mix. There are acolytes, collaborators, enablers.... There may be a few trying to oppose it, but they are basically the Vichy GOP.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2024 21:32:49 GMT -5
i can't imagine anyone worse than McConnell in that role, but i have said that before, and been unpleasantly surprised.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 28, 2024 21:39:47 GMT -5
i can't imagine anyone worse than McConnell in that role, but i have said that before, and been unpleasantly surprised. Oh, I think there is another level they can get to. Our only hope is that we will get Trump or Johnson level of competence, so they will be less likely to be able to accomplish anything, unlike McConnell. But there is no bottom to their depravity |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2024 21:43:14 GMT -5
yeah. when THIS Senate is supposedly the moral core of the GOP, i am thinking that there is still room to fall down the moral abyss.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Feb 28, 2024 22:41:05 GMT -5
I have questions on vetting of all these so called "asylum" seekers. When they present themselves to the ICE/CPB people to vet them and they do the paperwork, do they take their mug shots and fingerprints? Just what is the vetting procedure?
Do they run them thru a fingerprint check program to see if they have record in the US? Do they run them thru a world wide fingerprint check like Interpol or other organizations that have criminal records database?
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