Black people benefited from slavery, per Florida's BOE

[mollyanna58]

These people said this with a straight face.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/ar-AA1e7vGF?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=553075e7184341b8ab96bd6ed7268802&ei=35

Middle school students in Florida will soon be taught that slavery gave Black people a “personal benefit” because they “developed skills.”



After the Florida Board of Education approved new standards for African American history on Wednesday, high school students will be taught an equally distorted message: that a deadly white mob attack against Black residents of Ocoee, Florida, in 1920 included “acts of violence perpetrated against and by African Americans.”

[haapai]

WTF is this?  Being damn good a cutting sugar cane is a skill but it never pays well! 

[Tennesseer]

(Sarcasm alert!)

The bought and shipped to the U.S. slaves from Africa should be thankful.

[hurley1980]

Florida Man used to be the biggest joke to come out of the state, now its the BOE!  Pretty soon they won't have any teachers left...

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

File this under "Things that make you go "huh""




Just.  . . wow.  This goes back to the racist notion that Africans were uncultured heathens living in shit holes until good white Christian Europeans came and civilized them.  

I was reading the book about the Clotilda and it had quotes from various historical characters involved in the events.  I could easily see those quotes coming out of the mouths of people like DeSantis.  I had a hard time figuring out if he actually DID say some of it or if my brain was just forming correlations.

That should be considered a bad thing not a freaking badge of honor. 

[laterbloomer]

And there goes the last little dredges of being able to say democracies don't have the same level of propaganda as dictatorships.

[busymom]

Wow!  Imagine thinking selling human beings actually was a benefit to the victim.  I don't know what they're smoking in Florida, but I'll bet it's not legal.  What a delusional bunch!  

[haapai]

Jul 20, 2023 15:26:27 GMT -5 busymom said:

Wow!  Imagine thinking selling human beings actually was a benefit to the victim.  I don't know what they're smoking in Florida, but I'll bet it's not legal.  What a delusional bunch!  

Inhaling another person's farts and exhaling them has always been legal.  I think that's what I'm seeing.  What gobsmacks me is that the persons repeating this embarrassing stuff probably have children and are using the need to support these children to rationalize making asses of themselves.  Do they really think that their children won't find google and discover how opportunistic their parents were? 

[djAdvocate]

we have all heard this before.

slave traders and buyers have often claimed that slaves were rescued from a hellhole in Africa and brought to the US, the land of milk and honey.  but what this argument overlooks is that they were not brought willingly, and both the journey and the end conditions were far from ideal.

it is a really REPULSIVE argument, but it has been made for centuries.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jul 20, 2023 15:59:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

we have all heard this before.

slave traders and buyers have often claimed that slaves were rescued from a hellhole in Africa and brought to the US, the land of milk and honey.  but what this argument overlooks is that they were not brought willingly, and both the journey and the end conditions were far from ideal.

it is a really REPULSIVE argument, but it has been made for centuries.

Yep and they used the Bible to justify it.   

[thyme4change]

FFS

[Opti]

From the article -


which has effectively sought to create a new educational agenda that shields white students from feeling any sense of guilt for wrongs perpetrated against people of color.

If that was the goal, it seems to me their choices make the guilt now in the present instead of the past. Now people should feel guilty for this curriculum if that's what we have to call it. 

[djAdvocate]

Trump/DeSantis: the great snowflake protectorate.

[Pink Cashmere]

Jul 20, 2023 13:06:12 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

(Sarcasm alert!)

The bought and shipped to the U.S. slaves from Africa should be thankful.

I know you are being sarcastic, but I was literally told this by a poster on these boards, back in the MSN days. And she was not being sarcastic.

[Pink Cashmere]

The annul seminar I go to every year for my side gig (except during the pandemic), is scheduled to be held in Orlando this year. 

I am seriously considering telling my boss I will not attend. It’s a free trip, travel and hotel expenses, meals and entertainment (with free liquor lol), all paid for, and I get paid to go, but I’m not really feeling Florida. And I feel some type of way about helping their economy, even if it’s not technically “my” money being spent and nobody notices that I’m 1 less person my employer spends money on in that state. 

I’ve not delved too deeply into it, but I’ve read a little about Florida and unions. That’s interesting because my side gig has to do with my union. We only stay at hotels that have unions when we travel. I understand that the planning for these events starts over a year before the event actually happens, but I’d like it if my union said something about being concerned about having the seminar in Florida this year, even if it’s too late to change locations, which I’m sure it is.

[busymom]

Jul 20, 2023 17:52:47 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

The annul seminar I go to every year for my side gig (except during the pandemic), is scheduled to be held in Orlando this year. 

I am seriously considering telling my boss I will not attend. It’s a free trip, travel and hotel expenses, meals and entertainment (with free liquor lol), all paid for, and I get paid to go, but I’m not really feeling Florida. And I feel some type of way about helping their economy, even if it’s not technically “my” money being spent and nobody notices that I’m 1 less person my employer spends money on in that state. 

I’ve not delved too deeply into it, but I’ve read a little about Florida and unions. That’s interesting because my side gig has to do with my union. We only stay at hotels that have unions when we travel. I understand that the planning for these events starts over a year before the event actually happens, but I’d like it if my union said something about being concerned about having the seminar in Florida this year, even if it’s too late to change locations, which I’m sure it is.

     Contact your union rep.  While it may be too late to change the location this year, they should think harder about where  the next seminar should be held, as in NOT Texas or Flor-i-duh.

[Tennesseer]

Andy Borowitz of The New Yorker:

"Florida Schools To Teach That Pompeians Benefited From Lava"

[Tennesseer]

Jul 20, 2023 19:00:38 GMT -5 busymom said:

Jul 20, 2023 17:52:47 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

The annul seminar I go to every year for my side gig (except during the pandemic), is scheduled to be held in Orlando this year. 

I am seriously considering telling my boss I will not attend. It’s a free trip, travel and hotel expenses, meals and entertainment (with free liquor lol), all paid for, and I get paid to go, but I’m not really feeling Florida. And I feel some type of way about helping their economy, even if it’s not technically “my” money being spent and nobody notices that I’m 1 less person my employer spends money on in that state. 

I’ve not delved too deeply into it, but I’ve read a little about Florida and unions. That’s interesting because my side gig has to do with my union. We only stay at hotels that have unions when we travel. I understand that the planning for these events starts over a year before the event actually happens, but I’d like it if my union said something about being concerned about having the seminar in Florida this year, even if it’s too late to change locations, which I’m sure it is.

     Contact your union rep.  While it may be too late to change the location this year, they should think harder about where  the next seminar should be held, as in NOT Texas or Flor-i-duh.

Depending when the seminar is, it might not be too late to book it in a more welcoming state.

[Pink Cashmere]

Jul 20, 2023 19:05:19 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 20, 2023 19:00:38 GMT -5 busymom said:

     Contact your union rep.  While it may be too late to change the location this year, they should think harder about where  the next seminar should be held, as in NOT Texas or Flor-i-duh.

Depending when the seminar is, it might not be too late to book it in a more welcoming state.

The seminar is in October. I’ve never planned a huge event like that, but knowing what all is provided for us during the seminars, I think it probably is too late to try to move it.

Like I said before, they always have us stay at a union friendly hotel, and it is always in the downtown area of whatever city it’s in. And the hotel must be able to accommodate the large rooms required we gather in as a group, at least once per day (there are at least 200 of us that travel to these seminars), the smaller rooms necessary for the classes we take in smaller groups, a large enough room and ability to serve us breakfast on 2 days, a space and ability to provide food and drinks for a cocktail reception and dinner on one evening. 

Then there is at least one night besides the cocktail reception and dinner, that we are provided entertainment, including food and drinks, and the organizers usually arrange for something unique to the city we are in. Buses are provided to take us to the entertainment venues, and they remain available on like an hourly basis to take whoever is ready to go back to our hotel, when they are ready.

I don’t imagine that it’s easy to change something like that, in just a few months. It’s a big deal every year when they announce at our last dinner together, where we will be going the following year. I’m pretty sure a lot of work has already happened by then.

We were supposed to go to Orlando in 2020. Then the pandemic happened, and everything got cancelled. We did it virtually in 2021, and at the end of that virtual meeting, it was announced that we would meet in New Orleans in 2022. Which we did. And at the end of that one, it was back to Orlando for 2023.

I am seriously considering reaching out to my union officials on the national level, just to feel them out about Florida and spending enormous amounts of money to have the seminar there this year. I’ve never tried to calculate the costs, but I do know that even with the discounted group rates, my hotel rooms have always cost close to $300/night. I see the cost because I still have to provide a credit card when I check in. They don’t pay travel costs for Mister to go with me, but he can go to breakfast and all the social gatherings with me, for no added cost. Multiply that by hundreds of people and include all the conference and business related rooms they pay for at the hotels, the entertainment venues and transportation for us, the meals and liquor expenses, and then the money we spend on our own, sightseeing, shopping, and whatnot when we have time, or our guests while we are in classes….. it makes sense that it’s a LOT of money involved.

I feel some type of way about the state of Florida getting that kind of money from something I am affiliated with.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 20, 2023 19:40:35 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

Jul 20, 2023 19:05:19 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Depending when the seminar is, it might not be too late to book it in a more welcoming state.

The seminar is in October. I’ve never planned a huge event like that, but knowing what all is provided for us during the seminars, I think it probably is too late to try to move it.

Like I said before, they always have us stay at a union friendly hotel, and it is always in the downtown area of whatever city it’s in. And the hotel must be able to accommodate the large rooms required we gather in as a group, at least once per day (there are at least 200 of us that travel to these seminars), the smaller rooms necessary for the classes we take in smaller groups, a large enough room and ability to serve us breakfast on 2 days, a space and ability to provide food and drinks for a cocktail reception and dinner on one evening. 

Then there is at least one night besides the cocktail reception and dinner, that we are provided entertainment, including food and drinks, and the organizers usually arrange for something unique to the city we are in. Buses are provided to take us to the entertainment venues, and they remain available on like an hourly basis to take whoever is ready to go back to our hotel, when they are ready.

I don’t imagine that it’s easy to change something like that, in just a few months. It’s a big deal every year when they announce at our last dinner together, where we will be going the following year. I’m pretty sure a lot of work has already happened by then.

We were supposed to go to Orlando in 2020. Then the pandemic happened, and everything got cancelled. We did it virtually in 2021, and at the end of that virtual meeting, it was announced that we would meet in New Orleans in 2022. Which we did. And at the end of that one, it was back to Orlando for 2023.

I am seriously considering reaching out to my union officials on the national level, just to feel them out about Florida and spending enormous amounts of money to have the seminar there this year. I’ve never tried to calculate the costs, but I do know that even with the discounted group rates, my hotel rooms have always cost close to $300/night. I see the cost because I still have to provide a credit card when I check in. They don’t pay travel costs for Mister to go with me, but he can go to breakfast and all the social gatherings with me, for no added cost. Multiply that by hundreds of people and include all the conference and business related rooms they pay for at the hotels, the entertainment venues and transportation for us, the meals and liquor expenses, and then the money we spend on our own, sightseeing, shopping, and whatnot when we have time, or our guests while we are in classes….. it makes sense that it’s a LOT of money involved.

I feel some type of way about the state of Florida getting that kind of money from something I am affiliated with.

Understood.

Maybe your entertainment will include a drag show seeing that a Florida judge ruled desantis's attacks on drag shows was overbearing. Drag is back in Florida!

[mollyanna58]

Some conventions / conferences are avoiding FL.


www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/07/07/unfriendly-political-environment-broward-convention-center-cancellations-blame-florida-as-reason-for-exodus/


www.bisnow.com/south-florida/news/hotel/floridas-political-climate-leads-conference-planners-to-look-outside-the-state-119755

floridapolitics.com/archives/621986-citing-hostile-actions-education-group-is-the-latest-to-pull-its-convention-from-florida/

[hurley1980]

Jul 20, 2023 22:35:21 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Some conventions / conferences are avoiding FL.


www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/07/07/unfriendly-political-environment-broward-convention-center-cancellations-blame-florida-as-reason-for-exodus/


www.bisnow.com/south-florida/news/hotel/floridas-political-climate-leads-conference-planners-to-look-outside-the-state-119755

floridapolitics.com/archives/621986-citing-hostile-actions-education-group-is-the-latest-to-pull-its-convention-from-florida/

Yay!!!! This is what should happen.  Florida needs to be punished for be such a colossal a**hat of a state!  I think something similar happen to Georgia a few years back, but I cannot remember why.  

[weltschmerz]

DeSantis is an asshole. He's sueing Budweiswer, becuase they're woke and that made stock prices drop.  They have a responsbility to their shareholders, apparently.
This is a guy who would sue Perdue Pharma, the makers of Oxycontin which killed so many people, for stopping production. What about the shareholders, damnit? They deaere to rake in the money!

[djAdvocate]

i just realized something.  

the anti-woke position on this is exactly the opposite of what we, as a nation, should be considering:

everyone OTHER than slaves benefited from slavery.

this is a MAJOR underlying issue that has led to a thousand other injustices.

[tallguy]

What do you expect from people who think racism against white Americans is a bigger problem today than racism against Black Americans?

Poll: Trump voters say racism against white Americans is a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans

Snowflake, thy name is Trump voter.  

[Tennesseer]

Satire from The Borowitz Report

Unskilled Florida Man Regrets Missing Out on Being Enslaved
By Andy Borowitz
July 24, 2023

TALLAHASSEE (The Borowitz Report)—An unskilled Florida man said that he deeply regrets having missed out on the opportunity to be a slave.

The man said that his “lack of access to enslavement” had made his acquisition of essential skills “impossible.”



“Every day when I mess something up at work, I wonder to myself, would I be doing a better job if I’d been a slave?” he said. “There’s no question that it would have been a game-changer for me.”

He argued that being barred from forced servitude was a form of “white underprivilege,” and that Caucasians who suffer from a resulting skills deficit deserve reparations.

“Something must be done to compensate people like me who were unfairly denied the chance to be slaves,” he said. “When I think about the personal benefits I was prevented from obtaining, it makes me furious.”

Unskilled Florida Man Regrets Missing Out on Being Enslaved

[Tennesseer]

From Facebook.


“Can Ron DeSantis explain how being enslaved was beneficial to Celia?

In 1850, a fourteen-year-old girl in Missouri named Celia was purchased by enslaver, Robert Newsom.

Over the course of five years, he repeatedly raped her.

On June 23, 1855 while pregnant with her second child, Celia defended herself against more abuse, resulting in the death of her enslaver and rapist.

During Celia’s trial, Newsom’s grandson William Powell testified.

Powell testified that Celia had complained that Newsom repeatedly demanded sex and that she had approached other Newsom family members in a vain attempt to stop the rapes. Powell also admitted that Celia told him that her attack on Newsom came from desperation and that she only intended to injure, not kill.

Celia was found guilty.

An appeal was filed.

The Missouri Supreme Court ultimately ruled against her appeal.

On December 21, 1855 at 2:30 P.M., the state of Missouri murdered Celia on the gallows.

Are we going to teach children this history?

Or are we going to continue to whitewash history because it makes some people uncomfortable?”

Wiki: Celia (Slave)

[pulmonarymd]

Apparently. Can't have white people feel uncomfortable

[djAdvocate]

it has always been that way.  for a few decades it seemed like we might be coming to grips with that.

and now, we are here.

[Opti]

How awful Tenn, although I expect there are more than a few similar stories.