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Post by ripvanwinkle on Jun 29, 2023 21:52:45 GMT -5
SCOTUS finally got it right. Discrimination for collage admission based on skin color is unconstitutional. This will be great for my and your grand-kids if they do well in school. The liberal media today was all aghast and crying like a 3yr old who dropped their lollypop in the dirt. And the conservative media was beaming immensely. Smiles everywhere.
This should have been settled a long time ago. For example, if I'm sitting in a math, physics, or any other college class of lets say 40 students, how does affirmative action make my learning better? Does having 30% people of color in the class make my learning easier? No.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 29, 2023 22:07:24 GMT -5
Does having 30% people of color in the class make my learning easier? No. News Flash: it isn't about you.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 29, 2023 22:11:22 GMT -5
Well I, for one, certainly appreciate your admitting that this new conservative Supreme Court has been getting at least the vast majority of things wrong.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 29, 2023 22:19:33 GMT -5
SCOTUS finally got it right. Discrimination for collage admission based on skin color is unconstitutional. This will be great for my and your grand-kids if they do well in school. The liberal media today was all aghast and crying like a 3yr old who dropped their lollypop in the dirt. And the conservative media was beaming immensely. Smiles everywhere.
This should have been settled a long time ago. For example, if I'm sitting in a math, physics, or any other college class of lets say 40 students, how does affirmative action make my learning better? Does having 30% people of color in the class make my learning easier? No.
Said by a biased old white man.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 29, 2023 22:28:44 GMT -5
I am more racist just for reading this.
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Post by dondubble on Jun 29, 2023 22:49:35 GMT -5
SCOTUS finally got it right. Discrimination for collage admission based on skin color is unconstitutional. This will be great for my and your grand-kids if they do well in school. The liberal media today was all aghast and crying like a 3yr old who dropped their lollypop in the dirt. And the conservative media was beaming immensely. Smiles everywhere.
This should have been settled a long time ago. For example, if I'm sitting in a math, physics, or any other college class of lets say 40 students, how does affirmative action make my learning better? Does having 30% people of color in the class make my learning easier? No.
It’s rumored that this will allow many more Asians into Harvard and that the 3 yr. old caterwauling will be coming from entitled white people and legacy admissions no longer admitted. YGWYPF
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Jun 30, 2023 0:27:01 GMT -5
SCOTUS finally got it right. Discrimination for collage admission based on skin color is unconstitutional. This will be great for my and your grand-kids if they do well in school. The liberal media today was all aghast and crying like a 3yr old who dropped their lollypop in the dirt. And the conservative media was beaming immensely. Smiles everywhere.
This should have been settled a long time ago. For example, if I'm sitting in a math, physics, or any other college class of lets say 40 students, how does affirmative action make my learning better? Does having 30% people of color in the class make my learning easier? No.
It’s rumored that this will allow many more Asians into Harvard and that the 3 yr. old caterwauling will be coming from entitled white people and legacy admissions no longer admitted. YGWYPF Yes but at least the racial quota system will be dead. A person could get into college by their own merit not skin color.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jun 30, 2023 2:36:01 GMT -5
Yes I watch this program about kids getting in to college ............ and whether they published it or not, Asian student numbers were being limited at the US top Universities.
but what is the alternative?
The truth is that the top Universities in the US could be almost wholly occupied by Chinese students (because they are bright, ambitious and hard working)
So top class American education....... would not be for Americans.
How would that go down?
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 30, 2023 6:06:43 GMT -5
Yes I watch this program about kids getting in to college ............ and whether they published it or not, Asian student numbers were being limited at the US top Universities. but what is the alternative? The truth is that the top Universities in the US could be almost wholly occupied by Chinese students (because they are bright, ambitious and hard working) So top class American education....... would not be for Americans. How would that go down? When Republicans realize that is happening, they will find someone to blame ANOTHER precedent overturned. I believe the next few years will be the turning point for people to realize their whole goal is sticking it to POC and women.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 30, 2023 6:25:45 GMT -5
It’s rumored that this will allow many more Asians into Harvard and that the 3 yr. old caterwauling will be coming from entitled white people and legacy admissions no longer admitted. YGWYPF Yes but at least the racial quota system will be dead. A person could get into college by their own merit not skin color. You should look at the current events thread. The number of schools rejecting over 50% of their applicants is in the low 200s. There are 4000 4 year colleges in the US, a turnip could be admitted to college. This is entirely about butthurt white people upset because their precious snowflakes didn’t get into 1 of those 200 schools. The advantages rhey have far outstrip the benefits that AA give minorities. The idea that a rich student, who takes an SAT prep class, has all kinds of enrichment programs to chose from, goes to an elite private school, does not have to work, and scores 50 points higher on the SAT than a poor African American student is ludicrous. There are about 3500 high schools in the US. Harvard has 1700 first year spots. Why are you so upset about this. Harvard rejects most valedictorians. It isn’t like they are hurting for applicants. They will just find another way to admit who they wznt
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2023 11:10:04 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 30, 2023 11:30:10 GMT -5
Yes I watch this program about kids getting in to college ............ and whether they published it or not, Asian student numbers were being limited at the US top Universities. but what is the alternative? The truth is that the top Universities in the US could be almost wholly occupied by Chinese students (because they are bright, ambitious and hard working) So top class American education....... would not be for Americans. How would that go down? When people hear ‘Asian’ they think China/Japan/Vietnam/Korea/Singapore etc, however India’s culture values college educations and is included in Asia. So is Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkey and all the other mid east countries. Any US student who is ethnically or ancestoraly brown has benefitted from this. I don’t think this will make our colleges whiter. And because they will become even more diverse, conservatives will get even more angry that they are liberal indoctrination factories.
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Post by seriousthistime on Jun 30, 2023 12:35:13 GMT -5
It’s rumored that this will allow many more Asians into Harvard and that the 3 yr. old caterwauling will be coming from entitled white people and legacy admissions no longer admitted. YGWYPF Yes but at least the racial quota system will be dead. A person could get into college by their own merit not skin color. Have you been sleeping, @ripwanwinkle? Racial quotas in college admissions have been dead for years. I dabbled in getting a BA which I finally finished at age 46. Then I went to law school and finished at age 49. From my perspective as an older student and (while in law school) being a TA for a small section of a gen ed class, I can see the value in having a diverse student population. Especially in law school where there is a lot of discussion and interaction between students, it was imperative to have different perspectives. After I graduated, the new dean catered to her crew of wealthy donors and still crowed about how she increased the diversity of the student population. When the stats came out, we found she did so by increasing the number of Asian students. Statistically good, but they were not increasing the number of underrepresented minorities. A huge scandal ensued, and her diversity claim was the tip of the iceberg. Clarence "I got mine" Thomas: someone who benefited from a minority admission to a prestigious law school, rose to the highest level of his profession by playing the race card (accusing people of "high-tech lynching"), then disparaging his degree ("15-cent price sticker"). Poor Clarence.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jun 30, 2023 12:43:23 GMT -5
In the documentary the Black, Hispanic and White children were getting their places at the top 5 US Universities. It was the Chinese children who were missing out as there seemed to be some sort of quota.... and even some who were very bright, with a great work ethic, were unable to get in. Many Universities take international students but are in part state funded (along with endowments and investments for some) The point I'm making is, that you can either pick the very brightest...... in which case US Universities would fill up with Chinese and Asian students or you have Diversity and make sure there is a cultural mix from US Schools and Colleges. They are your Universities, Take your pick ....
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Post by laterbloomer on Jun 30, 2023 12:49:01 GMT -5
They are your Universities, Take your pick .... Are they? Do the Ivy league schools get government money?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 30, 2023 12:59:38 GMT -5
They are your Universities, Take your pick .... Are they? Do the Ivy league schools get government money? No, they do not. There are more qualified applicants than spots at those places. No one should worry that they won’t get the best and the brightest
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jun 30, 2023 13:06:28 GMT -5
They are your Universities, Take your pick .... Are they? Do the Ivy league schools get government money? School's don't typically get money directly, the student's do. If you are asking if the student's that attend these schools can get government money in the form of grants/loans, then yes.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Jun 30, 2023 13:10:06 GMT -5
It’s rumored that this will allow many more Asians into Harvard and that the 3 yr. old caterwauling will be coming from entitled white people and legacy admissions no longer admitted. YGWYPF Yes but at least the racial quota system will be dead. A person could get into college by their own merit not skin color. You can get into college with a 2.0 GPA and a 17 ACT. You won't get into HARVARD, but most people won't, no matter what color they are. Now just Asians will. I'm kind of "meh" on this whole thing because the number of schools this affects is so small.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 30, 2023 13:43:44 GMT -5
Yes but at least the racial quota system will be dead. A person could get into college by their own merit not skin color. You can get into college with a 2.0 GPA and a 17 ACT. You won't get into HARVARD, but most people won't, no matter what color they are. Now just Asians will. I'm kind of "meh" on this whole thing because the number of schools this affects is so small.
The college I attended was so elite the entry requirement was that you have two friends who could sign their names (to witness your X on the back of your financial aid check).
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Post by laterbloomer on Jun 30, 2023 13:56:38 GMT -5
Are they? Do the Ivy league schools get government money? School's don't typically get money directly, the student's do. If you are asking if the student's that attend these schools can get government money in the form of grants/loans, then yes. So their not "your university's".
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 30, 2023 14:01:28 GMT -5
SCOTUS finally got it right. Discrimination for collage admission based on skin color is unconstitutional. This will be great for my and your grand-kids if they do well in school. The liberal media today was all aghast and crying like a 3yr old who dropped their lollypop in the dirt. And the conservative media was beaming immensely. Smiles everywhere.
This should have been settled a long time ago. For example, if I'm sitting in a math, physics, or any other college class of lets say 40 students, how does affirmative action make my learning better? Does having 30% people of color in the class make my learning easier? No.
It’s rumored that this will allow many more Asians into Harvard and that the 3 yr. old caterwauling will be coming from entitled white people and legacy admissions no longer admitted. YGWYPF Yep. This is going to work in the opposite direction you think it's going to work in. Asian enrollment will now no longer be limited, so it likely means that ultimately most of the class will wind up Asian.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 30, 2023 14:08:48 GMT -5
Yes I watch this program about kids getting in to college ............ and whether they published it or not, Asian student numbers were being limited at the US top Universities. but what is the alternative? The truth is that the top Universities in the US could be almost wholly occupied by Chinese students (because they are bright, ambitious and hard working) So top class American education....... would not be for Americans. How would that go down? When people hear ‘Asian’ they think China/Japan/Vietnam/Korea/Singapore etc, however India’s culture values college educations and is included in Asia. So is Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkey and all the other mid east countries. Any US student who is ethnically or ancestoraly brown has benefitted from this. I don’t think this will make our colleges whiter. And because they will become even more diverse, conservatives will get even more angry that they are liberal indoctrination factories. Not only this, then these students (who are inevitably wealthy) will take up places AND as the government does not subsidize them, the university is going to make a financial killing. College tuition for foreign students is much, MUCH higher than US born, and in my personal experience with this, universities are ALWAYS looking at a way of milking this cow. The US universities will be filled with more than normal foreign students - who many times are required to go home - and the US will wind up with a brain drain. There are a lot of implications of this that they've not thought about that can wind up biting the US intellectual community in the butt.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jun 30, 2023 14:16:16 GMT -5
The Ivy league has different financial arrangements..... but I looked at the Californian Universities before writing that and it said they were state funded (sorry cant find what I was looking at) but from wiki "The University of California public university system is funded through both public and private money" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California_financesDon't really have time/impetus.. to go through them all..... but yes it seems they are your Universities. The Ivy league colleges are some of the best in the World
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2023 14:35:31 GMT -5
When people hear ‘Asian’ they think China/Japan/Vietnam/Korea/Singapore etc, however India’s culture values college educations and is included in Asia. So is Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkey and all the other mid east countries. Any US student who is ethnically or ancestoraly brown has benefitted from this. I don’t think this will make our colleges whiter. And because they will become even more diverse, conservatives will get even more angry that they are liberal indoctrination factories. Not only this, then these students (who are inevitably wealthy) will take up places AND as the government does not subsidize them, the university is going to make a financial killing. College tuition for foreign students is much, MUCH higher than US born, and in my personal experience with this, universities are ALWAYS looking at a way of milking this cow. The US universities will be filled with more than normal foreign students - who many times are required to go home - and the US will wind up with a brain drain. There are a lot of implications of this that they've not thought about that can wind up biting the US intellectual community in the butt. this. my work study job freshman year was in the Grad College of Engineering, and most of what I did was data entry from the postcards that would get mailed in to be added to the mailing lists for more information. easily 90% of the requests were from outside the US, and I definitely needed caffeine before I got there to make sure I didn't screw up the names and addresses that weren't English.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2023 14:38:02 GMT -5
The Ivy league has different financial arrangements..... but I looked at the Californian Universities before writing that and it said they were state funded (sorry cant find what I was looking at) but from wiki "The University of California public university system is funded through both public and private money" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California_financesDon't really have time/impetus.. to go through them all..... but yes it seems they are your Universities. The Ivy league colleges are some of the best in the World public and private universities are not the same beast. CA has a rather large public university system, as does NY. but there are private colleges and universities as well. Pepperdine and Stanford are two very well-known names. USC is part of the public system.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 30, 2023 15:03:52 GMT -5
The Ivy league has different financial arrangements..... but I looked at the Californian Universities before writing that and it said they were state funded (sorry cant find what I was looking at) but from wiki "The University of California public university system is funded through both public and private money" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California_financesDon't really have time/impetus.. to go through them all..... but yes it seems they are your Universities. The Ivy league colleges are some of the best in the World California has a large number of public colleges. A handful reject more than 50% of their applicants. They admit out of state students, while pay substantially more than state students. Again, the University of California at Berkeley, Los Angeles, probably San Diego are in that group. The rest admit varying numbers based on their competitiveness. California has already discounted race in admissions, and the results are as expected, African Americans students are lower, Asians are higher, whites substantially unchanged. Not sure how that helps the people, mostly whites, who are suing about AA
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2023 15:06:06 GMT -5
The Ivy league has different financial arrangements..... but I looked at the Californian Universities before writing that and it said they were state funded (sorry cant find what I was looking at) but from wiki "The University of California public university system is funded through both public and private money" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California_financesDon't really have time/impetus.. to go through them all..... but yes it seems they are your Universities. The Ivy league colleges are some of the best in the World California has a large number of public colleges. A handful reject more than 50% of their applicants. They admit out of state students, while pay substantially more than state students. Again, the University of California at Berkeley, Los Angeles, probably San Diego are in that group. The rest admit varying numbers based on their competitiveness. California has already discounted race in admissions, and the results are as expected, African Americans students are lower, Asians are higher, whites substantially unchanged. Not sure how that helps the people, mostly whites, who are suing about AA I can't speak for everyone, but I've always viewed the challenges to AA as coming from a place of inflated sense of self and self-worth. similar to a lot of what we saw from 2016-2020, actually.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jun 30, 2023 15:09:53 GMT -5
School's don't typically get money directly, the student's do. If you are asking if the student's that attend these schools can get government money in the form of grants/loans, then yes. So their not "your university's". I'm not sure what you mean by "your" universities. They are US based institutions. If they want their students to be eligible to receive federal funding (be it loans or grants) there are certain regulatory rules they need to abide by. As other's have said, funding mechanisms for public and private schools differ. Private schools are typically getting funding primarily through endowment, student aid (federal loans, grants, etc,) and direct payment from students. Public schools its going to vary by state, but are likely getting some form of support from their state government.
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