Be careful - you can get shot/killed anywhere/anytime

[moon/Laura]

Apr 19, 2023 17:16:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Apr 19, 2023 12:16:33 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Your thought process make me sick. 'Pubs have created a monster that thinks guns are the answer to every fucking thing. You don't even have to pose a threat, and a 'pub will shoot you. AND THEY THINK IT'S OK because 'my righhhhhhhhhhhhhts' and "guns aren't the problem". Yes, guns *are* the fucking problem.

Nope more like the solution

Piece of shit human beings believe the way you do. If it were YOUR children/grandchildren being shot up with those AK47 and AR15s ya'll love so much, then maybe you would understand. But it's more likely I'm giving you way too much credit.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 19, 2023 17:15:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

Apr 18, 2023 15:28:35 GMT -5 Tiny said:

If you've been thinking you aren't going to get shot/killed because you don't go to work, school, or crowded public places... think again. 

There's a lot of fear in America.     Make an honest mistake and you too could be shot/killed.  

www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/kansas-city-ralph-yarl-shooting-tuesday/index.html
Ralph, 16, was shot in the head and arm after he went to the wrong address to pick up his siblings. He has been released from a hospital but faces an arduous road to recovery, his family said. 


www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/woman-shot-wrong-driveway-upstate-new-york/index.html
A 20-year-old woman was shot and killed after her friend turned into the wrong driveway in upstate New York, officials say


I suspect we will see more and more of these kinds of shootings...   Americans are afraid.    Looks like we've given up the freedom to NOT be afraid in our own homes...  Thanks Republicans, trump, and NRA and the Religious Right!    

Isn't Kansas City and New York Democrat liberal areas. Humm more lefty bullshit pointing at someone else

NYC has been the safest big city in the country for years. Not that you have the ability to accept that. If you actually got your head out of your ass and read something other than right wing nonsense you can learn something

You said people are the problem. OK, so we need to keep guns out of people’s hands. If only there was something we could do to keep them out of the hands out of people who should not own them.

The attitude that we can’t do anything is absurd. For much of our history, we were a “can-do” people, solving problems that stood in our way. I guess this just proves conservatives point that we can’t do anything difficult anymore/s

[tallguy]

Apr 19, 2023 17:16:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Apr 19, 2023 12:16:33 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Your thought process make me sick. 'Pubs have created a monster that thinks guns are the answer to every fucking thing. You don't even have to pose a threat, and a 'pub will shoot you. AND THEY THINK IT'S OK because 'my righhhhhhhhhhhhhts' and "guns aren't the problem". Yes, guns *are* the fucking problem.

Nope more like the solution

Let's be precise.  Guns are in fact inanimate objects, but the problem is Republican legislators and voters thinking that anyone and everyone should have access to whatever gun they want whenever and wherever they want.  That is ludicrous.  How many gun owners are there in this country?  100 million?  How many of those would be considered thoughtful and responsible gun owners?  A fraction of that.  Would I consider you one of them?  Not a chance in hell.  You may, as I recall, have at times posted some thoughts in favor of reasonable gun restrictions.  On the whole, though, your only real priority is what you want, not what is good or what is right.  As such, you are just as much of the problem as anyone could be.

The Second Amendment NEVER enabled an individual right to gun ownership, and language enshrining an individual right was debated and rejected.  It was always (until recently) interpreted as a collective right conditioned on membership in the militia.  The Founding Fathers were also in favor of certain restrictions, even given the nature and politics of the time.  To deny any of that is to demonstrate your own bias.  Nothing more.   

[Pink Cashmere]

Apr 19, 2023 17:16:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Apr 19, 2023 12:16:33 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Your thought process make me sick. 'Pubs have created a monster that thinks guns are the answer to every fucking thing. You don't even have to pose a threat, and a 'pub will shoot you. AND THEY THINK IT'S OK because 'my righhhhhhhhhhhhhts' and "guns aren't the problem". Yes, guns *are* the fucking problem.

Nope more like the solution

How? 

Where I live, most people won’t go outside to confront someone breaking into or stealing their vehicle, because the thieves will shoot at you, because you interrupted them stealing YOUR shit.

When my next door neighbor went outside one of the many times thieves were trying to steal his wife’s car, rapid gunfire came from one of the cars waiting on the thieves. 

I’ve had conversations with several people that say they won’t confront a thief on their property, for fear of getting shot. 

So how are guns the solution when it’s the law abiding citizens that are the people that afraid of getting shot?

[grumpyhermit]

Apr 19, 2023 18:14:31 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Apr 19, 2023 17:16:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nope more like the solution

Let's be precise.  Guns are in fact inanimate objects, but the problem is Republican legislators and voters thinking that anyone and everyone should have access to whatever gun they want whenever and wherever they want.  That is ludicrous.  How many gun owners are there in this country?  100 million?  How many of those would be considered thoughtful and responsible gun owners?  A fraction of that.  Would I consider you one of them?  Not a chance in hell.  You may, as I recall, have at times posted some thoughts in favor of reasonable gun restrictions.  On the whole, though, your only real priority is what you want, not what is good or what is right.  As such, you are just as much of the problem as anyone could be.

The Second Amendment NEVER enabled an individual right to gun ownership, and language enshrining an individual right was debated and rejected.  It was always (until recently) interpreted as a collective right conditioned on membership in the militia.  The Founding Fathers were also in favor of certain restrictions, even given the nature and politics of the time.  To deny any of that is to demonstrate your own bias.  Nothing more.   

Even if they the 2nd had enabled an individual right to gun ownership, what use is a governing document that doesn't evolve and change over time? Why on EARTH would we hold ourselves to the rules set forth two hundred years ago by people who could not even dream of the world we currently live in? It's insanity to me.

[tallguy]

Apr 19, 2023 18:40:44 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

Apr 19, 2023 17:16:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nope more like the solution

How? 

Where I live, most people won’t go outside to confront someone breaking into or stealing their vehicle, because the thieves will shoot at you, because you interrupted them stealing YOUR shit.

When my next door neighbor went outside one of the many times thieves were trying to steal his wife’s car, rapid gunfire came from one of the cars waiting on the thieves. 

I’ve had conversations with several people that say they won’t confront a thief on their property, for fear of getting shot. 

So how are guns the solution when it’s the law abiding citizens that are the people that afraid of getting shot?

Did you really just invite the opportunity for her to say, "Well, if THEY had guns too...."

The answer, of course, is that if they had guns too then more people would end up being shot and/or killed, but that has unfortunately never convinced a gun nut.  

[Pink Cashmere]

Apr 19, 2023 19:05:09 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Apr 19, 2023 18:40:44 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

How? 

Where I live, most people won’t go outside to confront someone breaking into or stealing their vehicle, because the thieves will shoot at you, because you interrupted them stealing YOUR shit.

When my next door neighbor went outside one of the many times thieves were trying to steal his wife’s car, rapid gunfire came from one of the cars waiting on the thieves. 

I’ve had conversations with several people that say they won’t confront a thief on their property, for fear of getting shot. 

So how are guns the solution when it’s the law abiding citizens that are the people that afraid of getting shot?

Did you really just invite the opportunity for her to say, "Well, if THEY had guns too...."

The answer, of course, is that if they had guns too then more people would end up being shot and/or killed, but that has unfortunately never convinced a gun nut.  

I use to go to the range and shoot at paper targets, because it was kind of fun, and I’m a pretty good shot. In a controlled environment. I never thought that meant that I could try to save the day in a real life situation where I’m stressed and under pressure and innocent people are running around, plus whatever else distractions and liabilities occur in a situation like that.

At the time, the only place I would’ve fired a weapon was if an intruder was in my house. I wasn’t interested in carrying, because I figured if someone shoved a gun in my face, it was a wrap already, because even though I was a good shot in a controlled environment, I was under no illusions that I was some kind of fast sharp shooter from the wild Wild West. The only reason I bought the gun in the first place was because there was a situation at my son’s school when he was a senior and a grown man was threatening to shoot my son and shoot up my house. For a long time, I made my son sleep in my bedroom so I’d know exactly where he was in the house, and I kept my gun locked up when I wasn’t at home.

I was relieved at the time, that I could by a gun and learn to use it properly and safely, to try to defend myself and my son in our home, and I started going to the range to learn how to hit what I was aiming at, which ended up being fun for me, after I learned that I was already pretty good at hitting the bullseye or whatever else I was aiming for on the paper targets.  But there came a point where I felt like owning a gun was more of a liability than I wanted, because of the responsibility of doing everything possible to keep a criminal from stealing it. I had a cheap 380 that my ex husband bought when we were married a hundred years ago, and I didn’t want to be responsible for it any longer either, so I had DD call him and tell him that I wanted to return it to him. He appreciated that I did that.

 Like I’ve said many times before here, even though I’ve exercised my “right” to buy and own firearms before, if we could somehow get the gun problem in this country under control, I would willingly give up being able to buy and own a gun if that’s what it takes to do something about gun violence for real.

[tallguy]

Apr 19, 2023 19:43:04 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

Apr 19, 2023 19:05:09 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Did you really just invite the opportunity for her to say, "Well, if THEY had guns too...."

The answer, of course, is that if they had guns too then more people would end up being shot and/or killed, but that has unfortunately never convinced a gun nut.  

I use to go to the range and shoot at paper targets, because it was kind of fun, and I’m a pretty good shot. In a controlled environment. I never thought that meant that I could try to save the day in a real life situation where I’m stressed and under pressure and innocent people are running around, plus whatever else distractions and liabilities occur in a situation like that.

At the time, the only place I would’ve fired a weapon was if an intruder was in my house. I wasn’t interested in carrying, because I figured if someone shoved a gun in my face, it was a wrap already, because even though I was a good shot in a controlled environment, I was under no illusions that I was some kind of fast sharp shooter from the wild Wild West. The only reason I bought the gun in the first place was because there was a situation at my son’s school when he was a senior and a grown man was threatening to shoot my son and shoot up my house. For a long time, I made my son sleep in my bedroom so I’d know exactly where he was in the house, and I kept my gun locked up when I wasn’t at home.

I was relieved at the time, that I could by a gun and learn to use it properly and safely, to try to defend myself and my son in our home, and I started going to the range to learn how to hit what I was aiming at, which ended up being fun for me, after I learned that I was already pretty good at hitting the bullseye or whatever else I was aiming for on the paper targets.  But there came a point where I felt like owning a gun was more of a liability than I wanted, because of the responsibility of doing everything possible to keep a criminal from stealing it. I had a cheap 380 that my ex husband bought when we were married a hundred years ago, and I didn’t want to be responsible for it any longer either, so I had DD call him and tell him that I wanted to return it to him. He appreciated that I did that.

 Like I’ve said many times before here, even though I’ve exercised my “right” to buy and own firearms before, if we could somehow get the gun problem in this country under control, I would willingly give up being able to buy and own a gun if that’s what it takes to do something about gun violence for real.

Which is what makes you, "Not a gun nut."

[Opti]

Apr 19, 2023 18:40:44 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

Apr 19, 2023 17:16:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nope more like the solution

How? 

Where I live, most people won’t go outside to confront someone breaking into or stealing their vehicle, because the thieves will shoot at you, because you interrupted them stealing YOUR shit.

When my next door neighbor went outside one of the many times thieves were trying to steal his wife’s car, rapid gunfire came from one of the cars waiting on the thieves. 

I’ve had conversations with several people that say they won’t confront a thief on their property, for fear of getting shot. 

So how are guns the solution when it’s the law abiding citizens that are the people that afraid of getting shot?

Almost everyone is not keen on getting shot except by people pursuing death by cop. Criminals are afraid of being shot. Watch the TV series The Wire and Breaking Bad for examples. It is smart not to confront thieves if you feel they might have superior fire power or numbers. That's human nature. 

[Pink Cashmere]

Apr 19, 2023 20:26:45 GMT -5 Opti said:

Apr 19, 2023 18:40:44 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

How? 

Where I live, most people won’t go outside to confront someone breaking into or stealing their vehicle, because the thieves will shoot at you, because you interrupted them stealing YOUR shit.

When my next door neighbor went outside one of the many times thieves were trying to steal his wife’s car, rapid gunfire came from one of the cars waiting on the thieves. 

I’ve had conversations with several people that say they won’t confront a thief on their property, for fear of getting shot. 

So how are guns the solution when it’s the law abiding citizens that are the people that afraid of getting shot?

Almost everyone is not keen on getting shot except by people pursuing death by cop. Criminals are afraid of being shot. Watch the TV series The Wire and Breaking Bad for examples. It is smart not to confront thieves if you feel they might have superior fire power or numbers. That's human nature. 

But people try to argue that if more law abiding citizens have guns, that would deter criminals who may or may not have guns. I do not agree that that is true. 

My neighbor who was the target of rapid gunfire when he went outside when 3 people were on his property trying to steal his wife’s car, is an Army veteran who is familiar with handling and firing different kinds of firearms. Even if he wanted to return fire, he was aware and knowledgeable enough to know and understand that if he returned fire, stray bullets could enter his neighbors homes, and harm or kill innocent people. So when they started shooting at him, he went to the ground to minimize his exposure as a target, while his wife, who is also a veteran that is trained to handle firearms, watched through a window in their home, to see if he got hit and needed her help.

How the fuck is that okay?

So criminals that don’t give a fuck about who they might injure or kill, still have an advantage over citizens that exercise their right to bear arms, but know the laws where they live, and are responsible gun owners that take it seriously that they are responsible for wherever a bullet out of their weapons lands. 

[tallguy]

Hope nobody lets a basketball roll down the street.  Looks like that could set somebody off too.

A six-year-old girl and her parents were injured by gunfire on Tuesday night after a basketball rolled down a residential street in North Carolina and into a man’s yard, enraging him, neighbors told WSOC-TV.

Witnesses told the station that the gunman ran up and down the street, firing until he ran out of bullets.

link

Here's my favorite part, since we're talking about responsible gun owners and all....

Singletary faces multiple charges, including four counts of first-degree attempted murder, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, one count of possession of a firearm by a felon.



In December, he was arrested for assaulting his girlfriend with what police described as a “mini sledgehammer.” He allegedly prevented her from leaving his apartment until she cleaned up the evidence of the assault. The woman was able to escape roughly two hours later.

Neighbors told WSOC that Singletary was new to the area and often got angry with children in the neighborhood.

Sounds like exactly the type of person who should own a gun, doesn't he?

[Opti]

Apr 19, 2023 21:24:03 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

Apr 19, 2023 20:26:45 GMT -5 Opti said:

Almost everyone is not keen on getting shot except by people pursuing death by cop. Criminals are afraid of being shot. Watch the TV series The Wire and Breaking Bad for examples. It is smart not to confront thieves if you feel they might have superior fire power or numbers. That's human nature. 

But people try to argue that if more law abiding citizens have guns, that would deter criminals who may or may not have guns. I do not agree that that is true. 

My neighbor who was the target of rapid gunfire when he went outside when 3 people were on his property trying to steal his wife’s car, is an Army veteran who is familiar with handling and firing different kinds of firearms. Even if he wanted to return fire, he was aware and knowledgeable enough to know and understand that if he returned fire, stray bullets could enter his neighbors homes, and harm or kill innocent people. So when they started shooting at him, he went to the ground to minimize his exposure as a target, while his wife, who is also a veteran that is trained to handle firearms, watched through a window in their home, to see if he got hit and needed her help.

How the fuck is that okay? it is not, but it is great he used his training to do the right thing. 

So criminals people that don’t give a fuck about who they might injure or kill, still have an advantage over citizens that exercise their right to bear arms, but know the laws where they live, and are responsible gun owners that take it seriously that they are responsible for wherever a bullet out of their weapons lands. 

Apologies for the cross through, its just faster. People who do not care about who they might injure or kill might not be criminals at the time they go on a shooting spree. some people want to believe in black and white and easy solutions because it seems easier and its seems to make the world less scary. But obviously that is not working because they keep getting more and more scared no matter how many guns they buy. 

[bean29]

Apr 19, 2023 17:41:09 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Apr 19, 2023 17:16:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nope more like the solution

Piece of shit human beings believe the way you do. If it were YOUR children/grandchildren being shot up with those AK47 and AR15s ya'll love so much, then maybe you would understand. But it's more likely I'm giving you way too much credit.

Just wait. As time goes on, they will eventually reap what they sow.

[tbop77]

Apr 19, 2023 7:50:50 GMT -5 scgal said:

Apr 18, 2023 15:28:35 GMT -5 Tiny said:

If you've been thinking you aren't going to get shot/killed because you don't go to work, school, or crowded public places... think again. 

There's a lot of fear in America.     Make an honest mistake and you too could be shot/killed.  

www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/kansas-city-ralph-yarl-shooting-tuesday/index.html
Ralph, 16, was shot in the head and arm after he went to the wrong address to pick up his siblings. He has been released from a hospital but faces an arduous road to recovery, his family said. 


www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/woman-shot-wrong-driveway-upstate-new-york/index.html
A 20-year-old woman was shot and killed after her friend turned into the wrong driveway in upstate New York, officials say


I suspect we will see more and more of these kinds of shootings...   Americans are afraid.    Looks like we've given up the freedom to NOT be afraid in our own homes...  Thanks Republicans, trump, and NRA and the Religious Right!    

America is afraid thanks to democrats and liberals lack of strict border control, lack of supporting the police, not using martial law when riots break out, demonizing a white person if they kill a black person but not when a black person kills a white person. I can go on and on and on yes people are afraid has nothing to do with republicans. 

I watched Fox News yesterday to see what the spin was on the over 1/2 billion dollars they had to pay due to the lies they told about the 2020 election. Guess their viewers have no clue on the lies.  Your response is line by line on what they covered.  I'm calling their reporting and scaring these people to death their next big lie.  And we can see what the results are by these senseless shootings.

[scgal]

Apr 19, 2023 17:41:09 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Apr 19, 2023 17:16:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nope more like the solution

Piece of shit human beings believe the way you do. If it were YOUR children/grandchildren being shot up with those AK47 and AR15s ya'll love so much, then maybe you would understand. But it's more likely I'm giving you way too much credit.

Nice little piece of name calling. Just in honor of you I will nickname one of my AR's "piece" and another "shit"

[scgal]

Apr 19, 2023 21:24:03 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

Apr 19, 2023 20:26:45 GMT -5 Opti said:

Almost everyone is not keen on getting shot except by people pursuing death by cop. Criminals are afraid of being shot. Watch the TV series The Wire and Breaking Bad for examples. It is smart not to confront thieves if you feel they might have superior fire power or numbers. That's human nature. 

But people try to argue that if more law abiding citizens have guns, that would deter criminals who may or may not have guns. I do not agree that that is true. 

My neighbor who was the target of rapid gunfire when he went outside when 3 people were on his property trying to steal his wife’s car, is an Army veteran who is familiar with handling and firing different kinds of firearms. Even if he wanted to return fire, he was aware and knowledgeable enough to know and understand that if he returned fire, stray bullets could enter his neighbors homes, and harm or kill innocent people. So when they started shooting at him, he went to the ground to minimize his exposure as a target, while his wife, who is also a veteran that is trained to handle firearms, watched through a window in their home, to see if he got hit and needed her help.

How the fuck is that okay?

So criminals that don’t give a fuck about who they might injure or kill, still have an advantage over citizens that exercise their right to bear arms, but know the laws where they live, and are responsible gun owners that take it seriously that they are responsible for wherever a bullet out of their weapons lands. 

Now he is what is wrong with America. They already started to shoot bullets are already flying unattended people are already at risk. He is doing his neighbors a great service by firing back, I'd rather die protecting anything I have then let someone take it. 

[azucena]

Apr 20, 2023 7:23:27 GMT -5 scgal said:

Apr 19, 2023 21:24:03 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

But people try to argue that if more law abiding citizens have guns, that would deter criminals who may or may not have guns. I do not agree that that is true. 

My neighbor who was the target of rapid gunfire when he went outside when 3 people were on his property trying to steal his wife’s car, is an Army veteran who is familiar with handling and firing different kinds of firearms. Even if he wanted to return fire, he was aware and knowledgeable enough to know and understand that if he returned fire, stray bullets could enter his neighbors homes, and harm or kill innocent people. So when they started shooting at him, he went to the ground to minimize his exposure as a target, while his wife, who is also a veteran that is trained to handle firearms, watched through a window in their home, to see if he got hit and needed her help.

How the fuck is that okay?

So criminals that don’t give a fuck about who they might injure or kill, still have an advantage over citizens that exercise their right to bear arms, but know the laws where they live, and are responsible gun owners that take it seriously that they are responsible for wherever a bullet out of their weapons lands. 

Now he is what is wrong with America. They already started to shoot bullets are already flying unattended people are already at risk. He is doing his neighbors a great service by firing back, I'd rather die protecting anything I have then let someone take it. 

You value things over people. Got it. Great value system you have there.

[scgal]

Apr 19, 2023 18:06:12 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Apr 19, 2023 17:15:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

Isn't Kansas City and New York Democrat liberal areas. Humm more lefty bullshit pointing at someone else

NYC has been the safest big city in the country for years. Not that you have the ability to accept that. If you actually got your head out of your ass and read something other than right wing nonsense you can learn something

You said people are the problem. OK, so we need to keep guns out of people’s hands. If only there was something we could do to keep them out of the hands out of people who should not own them.

The attitude that we can’t do anything is absurd. For much of our history, we were a “can-do” people, solving problems that stood in our way. I guess this just proves conservatives point that we can’t do anything difficult anymore/s

I know New York city well probably better than most here. I was just pointing out that it is not the just red states that have the issue. Yes we can do great problem solving the issue is people but that is the problem and since no one wants to address it then it will not stop. Guns should be left alone. 

[scgal]

Apr 20, 2023 7:24:28 GMT -5 azucena said:

Apr 20, 2023 7:23:27 GMT -5 scgal said:

Now he is what is wrong with America. They already started to shoot bullets are already flying unattended people are already at risk. He is doing his neighbors a great service by firing back, I'd rather die protecting anything I have then let someone take it. 

You value things over people. Got it. Great value system you have there.

If you don't protect what is yours then the criimals already won and the violence will keep getting worse. The mindset of not confronting a criminal because they are a human being will destroy our society. 

I lived in upstate NY for a while (in the city growing up). When we got married we moved into my inlaws house to help his ill father. The neighborhood went from working class to shit when the county welfare office was opened up in the town. Our street had drug dealers, pimps, hookers robberies taking place. My husband got together a few of the longer residents and they started to clear out the criminals go door to door and give the ultimatium. There was pushback but nothing that couldn't be handled within a year our neighborhood was one of the safest in the street. 

[tbop77]

Apr 20, 2023 7:40:22 GMT -5 scgal said:

Apr 20, 2023 7:24:28 GMT -5 azucena said:

You value things over people. Got it. Great value system you have there.

If you don't protect what is yours then the criimals already won and the violence will keep getting worse. The mindset of not confronting a criminal because they are a human being will destroy our society. 

I lived in upstate NY for a while (in the city growing up). When we got married we moved into my inlaws house to help his ill father. The neighborhood went from working class to shit when the county welfare office was opened up in the town. Our street had drug dealers, pimps, hookers robberies taking place. My husband got together a few of the longer residents and they started to clear out the criminals go door to door and give the ultimatium. There was pushback but nothing that couldn't be handled within a year our neighborhood was one of the safest in the street. 

That mindset shows society is already destroyed.  Stranger in your neighborhood:  shoot 'em!  
These people in these instances were NOT criminals.  These people are scared to death because conservative media is pushing this narrative.  

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 20, 2023 7:29:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

Apr 19, 2023 18:06:12 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

NYC has been the safest big city in the country for years. Not that you have the ability to accept that. If you actually got your head out of your ass and read something other than right wing nonsense you can learn something

You said people are the problem. OK, so we need to keep guns out of people’s hands. If only there was something we could do to keep them out of the hands out of people who should not own them.

The attitude that we can’t do anything is absurd. For much of our history, we were a “can-do” people, solving problems that stood in our way. I guess this just proves conservatives point that we can’t do anything difficult anymore/s

I know New York city well probably better than most here. I was just pointing out that it is not the just red states that have the issue. Yes we can do great problem solving the issue is people but that is the problem and since no one wants to address it then it will not stop. Guns should be left alone. 

I grew up within spitting distance of NYC. I went to Medical School there in the 80s. Still have family in the area. Go into Manhattan frequently. I doubt you are more acquainted with it than I am.

What is the issue we need to address? You said it wa sthe people. Are you willing to put resources into solving the people problem? You continue to blather about how guns are not the issue, but offer nothing as a solution. When you have no ideas, you accomplish nothing. If you cannot/refuse to do anything, get out of the way and let other people try their solutions. But you would rather masturbate about your guns then give them up. Other countries have seen their gun violence rates drop precipitously when guns were removed. I guess you just want to ignore that data. Republicans offer nothing but fear and "thoughts and prayers" on this issue. If more guns make us safer, we should be the safest country on the face of the earth.

[andi9899]

Actually doing something would mean that conservatives would have to stop bowing down to the NRA. The contributions would stop and they can't have that. Money is more important than children dying at school.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Yes because a kid knocking on the wrong door and a teen pulling into the wrong driveway are SOOOOOOOOO dangerous and possibly violent.   We need to make sure we blow them away.  They may not have intended to steal your stuff now but you never know that 20 year old girl may have grown up to be a hardened criminal later.  Better to take her out now, 

I mean that 6 year old chasing a basketball could have had a weapon and been intent on breaking into the guy's home!   Better to blow them away in the name of protecting what is rightfully theirs than take two seconds to just yell "Get off my lawn!"

I actually do value people over things which is why I know I have ZERO business trying to be a "good guy with a gun".  People who are trained to handle weapons like police officers and our miltary often make fatal mistakes who the hell am I to decide that I am better at it than them and start shooting away in my neighborhood or a crowded mall? 

I have insurance that will replace anything that is stolen or damaged, I cannot bring another human back to life.   No property is worth an innocent life lost even if I can hoot and holler that I took the criminal with it.

[grumpyhermit]

The idea that the answer to crime is more guns is wild to me. How about asking why people are stealing shit in the first place? How about looking toward countries with lower overall crime rates and seeing what they do better than us that may be leading to outcome?

Or, you know, we can just shoot people for knocking on doors. 

[pulmonarymd]

Republicans are going on an on about how much worse things are getting. Gun sales keep going up. Maybe more guns is what is making things worse. Just saying

[daisylu]

Not sure if someone posted this here:

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.



Local and federal law are still searching for the suspect, who was also charged with assaulting his girlfriend with a sledgehammer in December.



The Gaston County Police Department received a 911 call at 7:44 p.m. on Tuesday about a local shooting. Investigators later determined that 24-year-old Robert Louis Singletary seriously injured one adult male and one juvenile female and that a separate female was grazed by a bullet while a second adult male was shot.

Neighbors told ABC News' Charlotte affiliate WSOC that the shooting began after a basketball rolled into Singletary’s yard from a group of local children playing basketball in the street. Singletary allegedly fired a gun at a neighbor before approaching a father and son -- William and 6-year-old Kinsley White. Both were transported to a local area hospital for treatment.



“Why did you shoot my daddy and me? Why did you shoot a kid’s dad?” Kinsley asked in an emotional interview, stitches visible on her cheek from the bullet fragments that hit her.



Family members say William White tried to draw gunfire towards himself to protect his family as Singletary unloaded an entire magazine toward his neighbor. White was shot in the back in his own front yard, according to his partner Ashley Hilderbrand.
“He looked at my husband and my daughter and told them, ‘I’m going to kill you,’” Hilderbrand said.






link

[Tennesseer]

Apr 20, 2023 8:17:34 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Apr 20, 2023 7:29:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

I know New York city well probably better than most here. I was just pointing out that it is not the just red states that have the issue. Yes we can do great problem solving the issue is people but that is the problem and since no one wants to address it then it will not stop. Guns should be left alone. 

I grew up within spitting distance of NYC. I went to Medical School there in the 80s. Still have family in the area. Go into Manhattan frequently. I doubt you are more acquainted with it than I am.

What is the issue we need to address? You said it wa sthe people. Are you willing to put resources into solving the people problem? You continue to blather about how guns are not the issue, but offer nothing as a solution. When you have no ideas, you accomplish nothing. If you cannot/refuse to do anything, get out of the way and let other people try their solutions. But you would rather masturbate about your guns then give them up. Other countries have seen their gun violence rates drop precipitously when guns were removed. I guess you just want to ignore that data. Republicans offer nothing but fear and "thoughts and prayers" on this issue. If more guns make us safer, we should be the safest country on the face of the earth.

Because "I know New York city well probably better than most here" is the exact same thing as "I lived in upstate NY for a while (in the city growing up)."

[Tennesseer]

Apr 20, 2023 9:26:25 GMT -5 daisylu said:

Not sure if someone posted this here:

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.



Local and federal law are still searching for the suspect, who was also charged with assaulting his girlfriend with a sledgehammer in December.



The Gaston County Police Department received a 911 call at 7:44 p.m. on Tuesday about a local shooting. Investigators later determined that 24-year-old Robert Louis Singletary seriously injured one adult male and one juvenile female and that a separate female was grazed by a bullet while a second adult male was shot.

Neighbors told ABC News' Charlotte affiliate WSOC that the shooting began after a basketball rolled into Singletary’s yard from a group of local children playing basketball in the street. Singletary allegedly fired a gun at a neighbor before approaching a father and son -- William and 6-year-old Kinsley White. Both were transported to a local area hospital for treatment.



“Why did you shoot my daddy and me? Why did you shoot a kid’s dad?” Kinsley asked in an emotional interview, stitches visible on her cheek from the bullet fragments that hit her.



Family members say William White tried to draw gunfire towards himself to protect his family as Singletary unloaded an entire magazine toward his neighbor. White was shot in the back in his own front yard, according to his partner Ashley Hilderbrand.
“He looked at my husband and my daughter and told them, ‘I’m going to kill you,’” Hilderbrand said.






link

Absolutely deplorable as was the shooting of the teen who went to the wrong home. As was the shooting death of a young woman who was in a car that pulled into the wrong driveway.

Too many folks owning firearms who have no business owning firearms.

Tough for a man with a knife to kill someone when a door separates the them.

Tough for a man with a knife on a house balcony to kill someone driving away after the car went down the wrong driveway.

[tbop77]

Apr 18, 2023 15:28:35 GMT -5 Tiny said:

If you've been thinking you aren't going to get shot/killed because you don't go to work, school, or crowded public places... think again. 

There's a lot of fear in America.     Make an honest mistake and you too could be shot/killed.  

www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/kansas-city-ralph-yarl-shooting-tuesday/index.html
Ralph, 16, was shot in the head and arm after he went to the wrong address to pick up his siblings. He has been released from a hospital but faces an arduous road to recovery, his family said. 


www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/woman-shot-wrong-driveway-upstate-new-york/index.html
A 20-year-old woman was shot and killed after her friend turned into the wrong driveway in upstate New York, officials say


I suspect we will see more and more of these kinds of shootings...   Americans are afraid.    Looks like we've given up the freedom to NOT be afraid in our own homes...  Thanks Republicans, trump, and NRA and the Religious Right!    

I feel like a lot of people of that generation are caught up in this 24 hour news cycle of fear and paranoia perpetuated by some other news stations. And he was fully into that, sitting and watching Fox News all day, every day blaring in his living room. And I think that stuff really kind of reinforces this negative view of minority groups and leads people to be all — that doesn’t necessarily lead people to be racist, but it reinforces and galvanizes racist people. And their beliefs.



Klint continued to say that his grandfather bought into conspiracy theories like QAnon, and their relationship became strained over the years. He also continued to insist that his grandfather would make racist comments in front of him that he tried to push back upon.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/grandson-of-ralph-yarl-shooter-tells-don-lemon-attack-was-racially-motivated-fueled-by-watching-fox-news/ar-AA1a665Y


His grandson is spot on.  This is the next big lie Fox News is feeding their viewers.  They are part of the mental health issue the GOP always blame.  

[andi9899]

They absolutely are. I wonder how their lineup will change after they pay all that money to dominion. I'm intrigued.