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Post by Opti on Mar 25, 2023 8:42:25 GMT -5
www.womanandhome.com/life/news-entertainment/which-statues-are-being-removed-uk-363690/Following the statue of Edward Colston in Bristol being removed by protestors, many people are wondering what other statues are being removed across the UK.The first statue to fall was the one depicting known slave-trader Edward Colston in Bristol, a man responsible for the deaths of over 19,000 people. On Sunday, Black Lives Matter protestors toppled the statue before rolling it into the harbour. To ensure the same fate doesn't meet some of the statues in the capital, London mayor Sadiq Khan has already removed one statue depicting a slave trader.I doubt the plaque mentioned the bolded history of his link to the deaths of 19,000+ people. Calls have also been heard through petitions and protests to remove the statue of Cecil Rhodes, from Oriel College at the University of Oxford since 2015. Rhodes, controversial even while he was alive, was one of the leading figures in British imperialism during the 1800s. In an 1877 Oxford university paper, he wrote about how he believed white Englishmen were superior and how Africa was “inhabited by the most despicable specimen of human being”, so “the more of the world we [Englishmen] inhabit the better it is for the human race”.
Although, a review has begun into statues connected to the slave trade across the UK. London Mayor Sadiq Khan said, “It’s a sad truth that much of our wealth was derived from the slave trade - but this does not have to be celebrated in our public spaces”.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 25, 2023 10:56:19 GMT -5
It's Time For ‘Woke’ To Be Put To SleepRemember the “dab”? It’s that one-move “dance” that anyone with upper limb motor skills can execute. There are conflicting reports on its provenance, but most attribute its rise in popularity to the Atlanta hip-hop scene in the mid-2010s, with acts including Migos, Rich the Kid and Skippa Da Flippa. NFL player Cam Newton eventually popularized it by performing it as a touchdown celebration. There was a steady increase of “mainstream America” (read: not Black folks) performing the dab on TikTok. And then Ellen DeGeneres got to itand started teaching guests on her show how to do it, including then-presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton in 2016. And who could forget this cringey “dab-acle:” When Ellen gets a hold of something, consider it all burned up: If you see anyone dabbing in 2023, it’s probably a middle-aged white dad from Norman, Oklahoma, celebrating his daughter scoring a soccer goal. Mainstream culture co-opting the creations of Black people, and putting them down when they’re done, is nothing new. See: Miley Cyrus and just about any Kardashian. But people co-opting the politically charged phrases that define the Black movement and using them against us is as new as social media. This has happened with the word “woke.” Like the dab, we need to set fire to it forever. “Stay woke” originated in the Black community around the time 18-year-old Michael Brown was fatally shot by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, becoming a catchphrase of the Black Lives Matter movement in the mid-2010s. “Woke” is the successor of the much older rallying Black call to “wake up!”; a reminder for the oppressed to keep their eyes and minds on the oppressor and to try not to get caught lacking. “Woke” might’ve seen the apex of its popularity as the catchy hook of Childish Gambino’s 2016 smash “Redbone.” Hulu even had a series named “Woke,” which apparently didn’t live up to the mantle of being an “issues” show and was killed after two seasons. Now? “Woke” has been weaponized against us. Conservative Republican politicians use it to stress how they’re not interested in any sense of liberation for marginalized people. Nikki Haley, the world’s most not-wannabe Indian ever, suggested that “woke ideology” in schools will turn children into the infected from “The Last of Us”or something. Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) coined the phrase “woketopians” to complain about all these people gunning for his “rights.” Florida (again) Gov. Ron DeSantis, who’s probably the country’s single most dangerous human heading into the 2024 presidential election, famously said in a speechlast November that “Florida is where woke goes to die.” (I spend winters in Florida, and at the very least, “woke” is on life support.) Even young Republicans recognize “woke” as the political equivalent of a dad joke now and are asking the party’s elder statesmen to knock it off. If I had to declare an official time of death for “woke,” it would be March 14, when conservative firebrand Bethany Mandel goose-stepped right into delightful internet fodder as a guest on The Hill’s “Rising” web series. When discussing her new book, “Stolen Youth,” which apparently suggests that “woke ideology” will send children into a heroin-fueled homicidal tailspin, Mandel used the word “woke” enough that host Briahna Joy Gray asked her to define it for the purpose of the discussion. What happened next was about as gratifying a moment as an anti-right-winger could ask for: Not only did Mandel stumble through not answering the question, she announced in the moment that it would go viral. Indeed, the “Karening Moment” has been viewed millions of times, and Twitter hasn’t been kind. Mandel convinced Newsweekto platform her tears; she framed it as a teachable moment for her kids and an example of what happens when the big, bad left sets a well-meaning white lady up for the fall. Twitter, justifiably, is also having fun with that. Despite using the word as the axiom for her book and her entire professional reason for being, Mandel seems to have never been able to rightly define “woke.”I’m certain she’s not alone among her fellow conservatives in their inability to define the word since it’s really just shorthand for the N-bomb for many of them. It’s a catch-all word to attack Black rights, LGBT rights, critical race theory and anything that doesn’t fit the tidy bubble of “American traditionalism” (read: white supremacy). They’ve done the same thing with “canceled,” which is now used as a phrase of defiance from conservatives who insist that they’ll bleed out on the American flag before they allow it to ever happen to them. “Black lives matter” (the sentiment, not the troubled business) and “Defund the police” have also been weaponized or used to create bastardizations (blue lives matter, white lives matter) detracting attention from actual marginalized groups. If a phrase or hashtag demanding better treatment for the marginalized gets enough traction on Twitter, expect some politician with soullessness in the eyes of their profile photo to chase clout with their followers by shooting it down. It’s frustrating to watch something with meaning to us become used in the opposite way in which it was intended. We’ll come up with something new, and they’ll inevitably bastardize it as well. I’ll never use the word “woke” the way we intended again, but at least I got to see a woman dog-walked over criticizing something she didn’t understand. It doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of the movement, but it’s the little joys that count. It's Time For ‘Woke’ To Be Put To Sleep
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Post by Opti on Mar 25, 2023 11:48:57 GMT -5
I feel Woke has been dead ever since various conservatives have used it as a catch all phrase for what they don't like.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2023 13:56:32 GMT -5
it was never a very important term, so the fact that the GOP is obsessed with it is fine with me. it is not like latching on to LIBERAL, like they did during the McCarthy Era. that did real political damage, and continues to do it today.
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Post by Opti on Mar 25, 2023 15:26:06 GMT -5
Woke wasn't a big term for me, but I do wonder how its misuse is impacting the black community. www.vox.com/culture/21437879/stay-woke-wokeness-history-origin-evolution-controversyFrom 2008 on, “woke” began to go mainstream — with its original meaning largely intact
Although “woke” as a watchword was the term’s earliest known usage, it took on three primary contexts within Black communities during the 20th century: 1) slang for being literally awake; 2) slang for being suspicious of a cheating romantic partner; and 3) the original, politically charged usage of always being on the lookout for systemic injustice. In a 2017 interview with OkayPlayer, funk singer Georgia Anne Muldrow describes first hearing the term used by ’60s jazz musicians in its most literal context — as in, slang for not falling asleep.
Today is the first time I saw #2 referenced, although its the second instance as I found it in a song referenced in an earlier post. I do disagree with this statement in the article. This framing of “woke” is bipartisan: It’s used as a shorthand for political progressiveness by the left, and as a denigration of leftist culture by the right.I don't believe its bipartisan at all nor do I buy that its a shorthand for political progressiveness. Might it be used that way for a handful of progressives, perhaps, but I personally have never heard of it in person used by any liberal leaning soul of any race, gender, or ethnicity. Have not even seen it used that way in my extensive reading either. Racial justice for blacks has rarely translated into social justice for any other group and like progress for women always seems to come with a healthy dose of back sliding by parts of the population reverting to less progress and more race oriented treatment. Has anyone anywhere ever said Woke in relation to the disappearance of American Indian women? Its yet another horrible problem. One I think that is perpetrated both by white men and American Indian men who feel these young women have no intrinsic value except to fulfill their short term needs then to be murdered and discarded in such a way they are never found. I just want to close with as a white woman who is not a racial justice warrior, the loss of the term annoys and worries me. I wonder how those who used it correctly for racial justice purposes feel knowing that the right has sullied the term in their quest to treat blacks and others as less than.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 26, 2023 4:28:42 GMT -5
because the culture is turning to one of victimhood. So you have an obsession with "Power" ie Republican... Vs "Victimhood" (Not great as a social construct) For victimhood. www.scientificamerican.com/article/unraveling-the-mindset-of-victimhood/Based on clinical observations and research, the researchers found that the tendency for interpersonal victimhood consists of four main dimensions: (a) constantly seeking recognition for one’s victimhood, (b) moral elitism, (c) lack of empathy for the pain and suffering of others, and (d) frequently ruminating about past victimization. When this is encouraged as a political strategy, all you get in the population is fracture and destruction. (and thats possibly the aim from the far left whose ultimate dream would be revolution)) People in a free democracy need to celebrate and build on their heritage... create opportunity and share the goals. I don't know much about pre civil rights but this extreme left political rising surfaces from time to time. Last seen in the 70s I think. Something we have seen before and and recognised immediately.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 26, 2023 4:38:46 GMT -5
The song is just a bit of sugary blurb.... not some sort of political anthem
What I'm describing is Fascism.
Yes there most definitely is a Woke movement.
You are the ones who brought the bomb to the party.... and decry everyone else when they go arrrggghhh
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 26, 2023 4:41:48 GMT -5
Hallelujah..... You are getting it.... at last
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Post by tallguy on Mar 26, 2023 6:30:33 GMT -5
Hallelujah..... You are getting it.... at last No. That was the statement that was specifically disagreed with. Reading comprehension is not your forte, is it? You also appear to be equating your imagined "Woke Movement" with Fascism. I cannot imagine how you managed that "equivalency." Fascism is generally considered a far-right, authoritarian philosophy. It is essentially the opposite of "Woke-ism" in any real sense. Also, being "woke" is not the embracing of victimhood. I am not a victim of anybody, for anything. As far as American society goes, I can legitimately be said to have just about every privilege there is. White, straight, tall, intelligent, educated male from a stable family background. Have never been poor, and am now retired early with more money than I need. I can do just about anything I want to in this country, and nobody will fight me on a single thing simply because of who I am or what I look like. Do I think that everybody in this country has the same chance? No, not at all. Do I think they should? Absolutely. And no, it is not about liberals wanting, as many conservatives try to insist, equality of outcome. It is about equality of opportunity. It is about equal treatment, and not being illegitimately hindered. Does that make me woke, or just a decent human being? Does privilege exist? Of course. Should privilege exist? No. Why is it still a large part of our society? Because WAY TOO MANY worthless, gutless, little f*cks are way too invested in maintaining it because they know down deep that they cannot win or dominate others if the playing field is level. I don't have that problem. I can win on any field I choose to play on. It costs me nothing to give anyone else an opportunity to play too. And what's more? True American ideals demand it.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 26, 2023 6:51:25 GMT -5
Its the only thing I have seen that is remotely familiar.
Silencing people and making sure yours is the only opinion to be heard Stopping freedom of speech and intellectualism is fascist... what else would you call it?
I'm fine thanks.
It was in the beginning but now it has changed, thats my whole point.... Its gone to the far left.
You think you are the only one who wants equality of opportunity? I do too, absolutely. You don't get to claim this as an exclusive mandate for the Woke movement, or being a "true American" Its exist on the spectrum right across the middle, where most people are.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 26, 2023 6:59:12 GMT -5
Marxism and true equality doesn't work without accountability Its a race to the bottom. Everyone is equal because nobody has anything.
apart from Oligarchs that is.
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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2023 7:24:38 GMT -5
Marxism and true equality doesn't work without accountability Its a race to the bottom. Everyone is equal because nobody has anything. apart from Oligarchs that is. Marxism has nothing to do with combating racism or the desire to repress any non-binary sexualities. Marx was a racist. Why do you want to confuse equality with possessions?
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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2023 7:36:43 GMT -5
You keep posting this, but it doesn't make it true. You aren't being silenced, you are being disagreed with. If 73% of Brits hate the idea of woke, you probably aren't being silenced there either. Meanwhile in RL, DeSantis is silencing teachers and others with his laws. But you probably wouldn't call him fascist because he hews conservative.
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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2023 7:45:39 GMT -5
Has it really or are you just listening to certain cherry-picked voices and ignoring the rest? SCP had a real history of picking out one isolated person saying something bizarre and then pretending it was a whole big movement and crisis. Actually, that's part of the RW media playbook here in the US to keep their viewers mad and unreasonable. Its BS though and a smart consumer would realize that if they weren't bathing themselves in righteous indignation emotional chemicals constantly.
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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2023 7:52:42 GMT -5
You keep posting this, but it doesn't make it true. You aren't being silenced, you are being disagreed with. If 73% of Brits hate the idea of woke, you probably aren't being silenced there either. Meanwhile in RL, DeSantis is silencing teachers and others with his laws. But you probably wouldn't call him fascist because he hews conservative. Re the bolded, you posting this constantly looks a lot like you claiming victimhood to me. Silencing people, not just feeling you are espousing an unpopular opinion, occurs in all political systems. Certain monarchs across history did so by removing titles, lands, and sometimes heads of people they wanted to stop talking.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 26, 2023 9:46:07 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that the movement was pure at its instigation
It then got hijacked by the far left.
So the spectre behind this movement is far left.
Why would I care what he thinks?
Does any of this stuff I have been talking about sound familiar?
or are you just going to blindly follow.
Nope just trying to discuss something which may have sinister undertones.
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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2023 10:29:21 GMT -5
I went back to your other posts to see if you had examples, but they aren't really there. Links to your examples of the far left ideas you believe they have etc. So I found your assertion that the far left want to abolish the police not simply defund them. In general, that is not true. Are there individuals who probably want to totally disband the police? Maybe. Are they a majority opinion of the left? No. Defund the police implies things that it is not. It is a movement to reform policing and make it safer for citizens and allow more help for those areas the police generally fail at like wellness checks and dealing with mentally ill in crisis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_policeCritics argue that police officers and police departments provide too many services. According to this argument, the United States has an over-reliance on law enforcement, which is expected to handle an unrealistically wide range of social issues, such as homelessness, mental health, and substance abuse.[9][50][2] For these reasons, some activists have called for an unbundling of services. Under this model, many services that were previously provided by law enforcement would be provided by specialized response teams. These teams could include social workers, emergency medical technicians, conflict resolution specialists, restorative justice teams, and other community-based professionals.[51][52][53][54]
Police officers may be particularly badly suited for some community issues, such as mental health crises.[52] One in four people who are killed by the police have severe mental illness.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 26, 2023 11:01:55 GMT -5
www.thesun.co.uk/news/12041182/black-live-matter-protest-organiser-says-movement-being-hijacked-by-far-left/This woman seems to think they want to abolish the police, and another www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/17/black-lives-matter-activistWhen activists say they want to abolish the police, they “100%” mean they want no more police, Noor says. nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/"Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation, according to a report." So lets have a look at some of the things Marxists want to abolish:- The family, Best of all, abolishing the family would be relatively easy once bourgeois property was abolished. “The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.” Individuality Marx believed individuality was antithetical to the egalitarianism he envisioned. Therefore, the “individual” must “be swept out of the way, and made impossible.” Eternal truths. Marx did not appear to believe that any truth existed beyond class struggle. Nations The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word. The Past “In bourgeois society,” Marx wrote, “the past dominates the present; in Communist society, the present dominates the past.” fee.org/articles/5-things-marx-wanted-to-abolish-besides-private-property/Look familiar?.... Still think I'm making this up? We have seen it again and again.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2023 11:59:13 GMT -5
nobody embodies that more than the MAGA wing of the GOP today.
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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2023 12:02:05 GMT -5
There are people who wanted to abolish the police, but they are not the norm, nor have they been successful. While the Minneapolis council originally agreed to a reimaging of the police force, in the end, that did not happen. Exhibit A- www.minneapolismn.gov/government/departments/police/People call themselves all sorts of things and often do not mean what you think they mean. There are many flavors of Marxism, and nowhere have I ever seen on a BLM website nor a protest a platform to abolish the family or individuality. www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/These days, Marxism usually means analyzing social change through an economic lens, with the assumption that the rich and the poor should become more equal. In a recently surfaced 2015 interview, one of the three Black Lives Matter co-founders declared that she and another co-founder "are trained Marxists." "Regardless of whatever the professed politics of people may be who are prominent in the movement, they don’t represent its breadth," said Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Princeton University African American Studies professor and author of "From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation." "There are definitely socialists within the movement, as there have been in every single social movement in 20th century American history and today. But that does not make those socialist movements, it makes them mass movements," she said.nypost.com/2021/04/16/blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-defends-real-estate-holdings/
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Mar 26, 2023 12:20:16 GMT -5
In the early 70’s, Marvin Gay recorded “What’s Going On”. In the mid 1970’s, Harold Melvin and The Blue Notes recorded “Wake Up Everybody”. IIRC since I’ve heard both songs countless times, both songs are about poverty, illness, war, and changing the world for the better, not just for Black people.
In Spike Lee’s movie “School Daze”, at the end of the movie, he says “Wake Up”. At the beginning of his movie “Do the Right Thing”, he says “Wake Up”. Those movies were made in the late ‘80’s early ‘90’s IIRC.
In 2016, Childish Gambino released the song “RedBone”, and part of the hook was “Stay woke”. FWIW, I and several people I know really liked that song, but we were asking each other what it was really about.
Artists have been saying and singing for people to wake up for decades. Why is it such a big deal now?
At some point in recent years, somebody latched onto “woke”, and it somehow became the most important word ever to a lot of people that tried to make it mean what they wanted it to mean. And as usual, they were wrong.
I talk to a lot of people about all kinds of things, including politics and societal issues. People my age, older than me, and younger than me. Even at work, interesting conversations amongst coworkers while we work (manual labor), makes the day go by faster. I honestly cannot remember the last time I heard somebody use the word “woke” IRL. Maybe when “Redbone” was still being played regularly on the radio? Idk.
This thread is slightly amusing and a bit horrifying at the same time.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 26, 2023 12:22:57 GMT -5
www.thesun.co.uk/news/12041182/black-live-matter-protest-organiser-says-movement-being-hijacked-by-far-left/This woman seems to think they want to abolish the police, and another www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/17/black-lives-matter-activistWhen activists say they want to abolish the police, they “100%” mean they want no more police, Noor says. nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/"Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation, according to a report." So lets have a look at some of the things Marxists want to abolish:- The family, Best of all, abolishing the family would be relatively easy once bourgeois property was abolished. “The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.” Individuality Marx believed individuality was antithetical to the egalitarianism he envisioned. Therefore, the “individual” must “be swept out of the way, and made impossible.” Eternal truths. Marx did not appear to believe that any truth existed beyond class struggle. Nations The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word. The Past “In bourgeois society,” Marx wrote, “the past dominates the present; in Communist society, the present dominates the past.” fee.org/articles/5-things-marx-wanted-to-abolish-besides-private-property/Look familiar?.... Still think I'm making this up? We have seen it again and again. Again.... "Congratulations. You have been successfully indoctrinated into the, "Words only mean what we say they mean" club. Right-wing conservatives have demonized the word "woke" in the same way they demonized the word "liberal" along with so many others. A recent poll indicated that well over 50% of respondents in the U.S. see being woke as a positive attribute. It means simply to be aware of (and against) social injustices and oppression. This is of course anathema to social conservatives, who are all about social injustice and oppression." You are equating things that have no more real overlap than the friendly, neighborhood church with the KKK. You may try to argue that the bastardized definition brought about by the far-right in the last five years is the only real one, ignoring that the term was in use several decades earlier meaning nothing of the sort, but don't expect to win any debate points here for doing so.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2023 13:42:27 GMT -5
woke means aware. period.
the anti woke crowd wants permission to be unaware.
you know what?
they have it. from me, anyway. so long as they remove themselves from public life, they can be as unaware as they wish. it will impact nobody but them.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 26, 2023 13:55:53 GMT -5
I think that people don't really realise what they are supporting because if you had a Marxist movement going on in the bright light of day...... it wouldn't get very far.
Thats why we have this mask of inclusivity.
My point is that the majority of people would want those things anyway.,,,, there aren't that many on the extremes of a political spectrum.
How can I, nobody listens to the far right over here they are seen as extreme.
Its your Country which have picked up on it in the attempt to make political gain,
You need to be in the middle.... which was my opening gambit.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 26, 2023 14:30:21 GMT -5
I think that people don't really realise what they are supporting because if you had a Marxist movement going on in the bright light of day...... it wouldn't get very far. Thats why we have this mask of inclusivity. My point is that the majority of people would want those things anyway.,,,, there aren't that many on the extremes of a political spectrum. How can I, nobody listens to the far right over here they are seen as extreme.Its your Country which have picked up on it in the attempt to make political gain, You need to be in the middle.... which was my opening gambit. Then why use their definitions? If you want to argue against Marxism, then argue against Marxism. If you want to argue against abolishing the police, then argue against abolishing the police. That is not the same thing (by the way) as, "Defund the police" which is a horrible name for an idea of reimagining community support that may have some merit. If you want to argue against some other societal issue, than argue against that societal issue. It is conservatives who are on the attack, and conservatives who have corrupted the debate by appropriating the language. It is conservatives who have adopted "woke" as a catch-all term for everything in the basic civil and human rights or social justice arenas that they don't like. Several posters have related that they have not heard anyone on the left even use the term "woke" in years. That is not particularly surprising, since being direct and talking about rights is better than using a slang term anyway. Falling into the language trap has not served you well here. I would also argue that one should not strive to be in the middle. One should strive to be on the side of right wherever that happens to be. In the area of basic civil and human rights, one should be striving to ensure those are equal for all. In far too much of human history, that has been an extremist position. It shouldn't be, which is what gave rise to liberalism originally.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 26, 2023 14:44:28 GMT -5
If you define being in the middle as being halfway between the 2 extremes, then count me out. The right has moved so far right that the “middle” is now to the right of where I was before. As tall guy said, it is more important to be on the correct side of an issue
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 26, 2023 14:49:05 GMT -5
Damn earworm Got to be something better than in the middle
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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2023 14:52:01 GMT -5
But its not a Marxist movement.
#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer.
I think you are fixated on a false belief. Yes two of the founders were trained Marxists, but that doesn't mean they started or are focused on a Marxist only agenda. One of the two left the organization in 2021 and owns four homes, which is not Marxist at all. Neither is buying a home in a rich, predominately white, neighborhood.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2023 16:23:45 GMT -5
Marx did a bit of dabbling in a lot of stuff, but he is primarily an ECONOMIST. the idea of spreading him around like jam over the entire spread is nauseating.
he has nothing to do with BLM. leave the man alone.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 26, 2023 16:56:52 GMT -5
woke means aware. period. the anti woke crowd wants permission to be unaware. you know what? they have it. from me, anyway. so long as they remove themselves from public life, they can be as unaware as they wish. it will impact nobody but them. They have my permission too. What I object to is their DEMAND that everyone else stay unaware as well so they can feel like they are not left behind. And they may succeed. Just like they succeeded in making liberal a dirty word and convinced a large swath of the population which now believes that feminism is a synonym for man-hating. ETA: IMO this war on words is not as innocuous as it might seem at first glance.
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