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Post by haapai on Mar 1, 2023 15:43:03 GMT -5
I am horrified! The list of things that will not be taught or mentioned boggles the mind. It's not just the trendy theories that will be banned. A whole lot of settled facts will suddenly become unmentionable in both grade school and college settings.
Imagine a professor at a medical school trying to explain some of the many intersex conditions without fear of getting hauled before the bar.
Imagine a sociology prof, or even another prof at a medical school attempting to mention the long-standing and shocking disparities in maternal mortality rates between black and white women.
I'm old enough to remember encountering kids at college who received exactly no sex education and took a class called "biology" in high school that just skipped evolution. Most of those kids did not fare too well. Very few of them graduated. This legislation promises to do something similar to every child in the state.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 1, 2023 15:45:34 GMT -5
there was a time when i thought that the right's take over of school boards was just quaint political activism, in the time honored tradition.
i feel pretty dumb about that, now.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 1, 2023 15:54:29 GMT -5
I am horrified! The list of things that will not be taught or mentioned boggles the mind. It's not just the trendy theories that will be banned. A whole lot of settled facts will suddenly become unmentionable in both grade school and college settings.
Imagine a professor at a medical school trying to explain some of the many intersex conditions without fear of getting hauled before the bar.
Imagine a sociology prof, or even another prof at a medical school attempting to mention the long-standing and shocking disparities in maternal mortality rates between black and white women.
I'm old enough to remember encountering kids at college who received exactly no sex education and took a class called "biology" in high school that just skipped evolution. Most of those kids did not fare too well. Very few of them graduated. This legislation promises to do something similar to every child in the state.
Less competition for my kids. Their kids continue to live in their shithole places. I call that a win-win
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What's the matter with Ron DeSantis’ Florida?His recent moves are a transparently cynical ploy to win over Republican voters who enjoy nothing more than angering liberals. What is the matter with Florida? It’s a question posed by generations of Americans. Whether it’s throwing a live alligator through a Wendy’s drive-thru window or joining a Facebook event dedicated to shooting down a hurricane, the wonders that are Florida Man and Florida Woman have long produced wonder and amazement. But more recently, the Hot Mess state has turned into something far more troubling — the most intolerant and authoritarian-minded state in the country and a disquieting reminder of the descent of the Republican Party into the political sewer. Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis likes to call Florida the “citadel of freedom” and the place “where woke goes to die.” The reality is a policy agenda defined largely by pettiness, cruelty and a disturbing disregard for basic democratic norms. If states are the so-called laboratory of American democracy, then Florida is the meth lab of American democracy. Last year, after Disney exercised its constitutionally guaranteed right to free expression and publicly criticized the GOP’s legislative assault on LGBTQ Floridians, DeSantis, and the Florida Legislature, struck back by revoking the company’s self-governing status. Now the Legislature has granted DeSantis the power to appoint a five-person board to oversee the theme park in an effort that he said would “force Disney to stop ‘trying to inject woke ideology’ on children.” It’s hard to come up with a clearer example of a political leader using the instruments of state power to punish a company for expressing opinions he doesn’t like — and using that power to influence their business decisions. In recent weeks, DeSantis has widened his war on the First Amendment. He’s spoken of his desire to weaken libel laws, which would make it easier to sue media organizations for defamation. This direct assault on the freedom of the press was picked up by at least one Florida legislator, who introduced legislation last week that would require bloggers who write about the state government and its leaders to register with the state. When not violating bedrock constitutional principles, DeSantis and his Republican cronies are force-feeding Florida’s students their take on American history. While DeSantis claims that he’s trying to stop “woke indoctrination” in the Sunshine State, he is seeking to warp their minds with his own form of indoctrination. Last year, DeSantis pushed through a series of bills that banned the teaching of critical race theory and blocked discussions of gender preferences in Florida elementary schools — the so-called “Don’t Say Gay” bill. Those moves have led schools across the state to pull hundreds of books off library shelves for fear that teachers and librarians could face potential prosecution. Nothing quite says “citadel of freedom” like empty library shelves and removed books that includes biographies of former baseball player Roberto Clemente, Hank Aaron and Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor. Now DeSantis is expanding his attacks on Florida’s public education system. The governor is backing a voucher program that would devastate the state’s public schools and allow parents to use state money to send their children to a private and religious school or use the vouchers for home-schooling and private tutoring. Bills have been introduced that would ban the use of preferred pronouns at schools and broaden the prohibitions on discussions of sexual orientation and gender identity to all pre-K through eighth grade classrooms. And he’s declaring war on Florida’s once-vaunted public university system. Last month, he unveiled legislation that would ban critical race theory in universities, end diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives, give control of university curricula to a board appointed by the governor and effectively end tenure protections for faculty. And as if that isn’t enough culture war waging, there is talk of allowing death sentences without the unanimous vote of a jury, allowing gun owners to carry a concealed firearm without a permit and a six-week abortion ban. One state legislator has even introduced a bill that “would decertify any political party that ever included a plank to support slavery in its platform.” That would include the Democratic Party, which endorsed slavery before the Civil War, and this would lead to its decertification. While this piece of juvenile legislation is unlikely to be enacted, the rest of DeSantis’ sordid agenda will likely find its way into law. And then much of it will likely get blocked by federal judges. But the legality of DeSantis’ political agenda is hardly his concern. What’s unfolding in Florida this month has more to do with Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and all the other states where Republican voters will be choosing the party’s next presidential nominee. DeSantis’ moves are a transparently cynical ploy to win over Republican voters who enjoy nothing more than angering liberals with culture war divisiveness. But that doesn’t make it any less deplorable (and what else can one say of voters who take such pleasure in legislation purposely aimed at enraging, enflaming and endangering their political opponents). Nor is it any less hypocritical. Here’s the political party that espouses the genius of the free market using the instruments of government to punish a private company and influence its business decisions. Republicans appear to be nonplussed by the fact that a party organized around the idea of a smaller, less intrusive government is pushing book bans, promoting a government-endorsed educational agenda, terrorizing teachers and preventing women from having control of their own bodies. In February, Republicans made a big show of reading the Constitution from the floor of the House of Representatives. Meanwhile, in the nation’s third-largest state, the Republican Party is attacking the free press, punishing free expression and demanding fealty to their governing agenda … or else. Rather than hurt DeSantis’ odds of winning over GOP votes, every one of these moves has been precisely calibrated to boost his chances. This self-serving demonstration of partisan power, unmoored from ideology and foundational constitutional principles, is not a bug for self-identified conservative Republicans — it’s a feature. What is perhaps most remarkable about all this is that I’m not even talking about the other leading Republican presidential nominee and DeSantis’ key presidential rival — you know, the one who two years ago incited a mob to storm the Capitol and tried to undo a presidential election that he lost. If DeSantis were to somehow win the presidency on a platform of trolling liberals, punishing his opponents and violating basic civil rights, is there any reason to believe that what is unfolding this month in Florida will not be replicated by a rubber stamp Republican-controlled Congress? Is there any reason to doubt that Republican voters would applaud such an effort and revel in any “liberal tears” it would produce? What's the matter with Ron DeSantis’ Florida?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 9, 2023 12:37:23 GMT -5
yeah, Florida is a Wuhan for liberal trolling.
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Post by swamp on Mar 14, 2023 14:16:22 GMT -5
Time to take New College off the list…..
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 16, 2023 22:12:55 GMT -5
Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts is a very good school. Amherst also has U of Massachusetts Amherst and Amherst College. Both excellent too.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 16, 2023 23:11:17 GMT -5
Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts is a very good school. Amherst also has U of Massachusetts Amherst and Amherst College. Both excellent too. All in all, though, I'd rather be spending January looking out at Sarasota Bay in 70+ degree weather than trudging to class through the snow.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 16, 2023 23:21:33 GMT -5
Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts is a very good school. Amherst also has U of Massachusetts Amherst and Amherst College. Both excellent too. All in all, though, I'd rather be spending January looking out at Sarasota Bay in 70+ degree weather than trudging to class through the snow. If you want a DeSantis education, have at it.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 17, 2023 0:42:56 GMT -5
All in all, though, I'd rather be spending January looking out at Sarasota Bay in 70+ degree weather than trudging to class through the snow. If you want a DeSantis education, have at it. Well, I don't, but nothing he or they could do would affect me anyway. As a straight, white male they would love me there...at least until I started arguing back! Still, I was merely commenting on the preference to be in Sarasota rather than Amherst in January. It's unfortunate some may be forced to choose differently.
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Post by swamp on Mar 17, 2023 10:05:20 GMT -5
he wants nothing to do with cold weather and snow. There are plenty of colleges within a 5 hour drive of me that he could attend, however, it would require dealing with several months of cold and snow. I cannot stress how much he hates cold weather.
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Post by swamp on Mar 17, 2023 10:08:05 GMT -5
If you want a DeSantis education, have at it. Well, I don't, but nothing he or they could do would affect me anyway. As a straight, white male they would love me there...at least until I started arguing back! Still, I was merely commenting on the preference to be in Sarasota rather than Amherst in January. It's unfortunate some may be forced to choose differently. Yeah, he's a straight white cis guy. At 16 years old, He doesn't quite get how harmful Desantis is. DS thinks what Desantis is doing is stupid because he really doesn't see what the big deal is about being trans/gay/bi/POC. He doesn't see it as a big deal, so he doesn't understand how hateful some people are towards them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 17, 2023 10:34:09 GMT -5
Publisher Deletes Race From Rosa Parks Story for FloridaStudies Weekly, whose curriculum reaches 45,000 schools across the country, went to extreme lengths to cater to Ron DeSantis’ hellish vision of Florida. In an effort to protect its sales, the publisher removed references to race, including the history of Rosa Parks, from its social studies material, the New York Times reports. The crude update follows a push by the Florida governor to place a widespread ban on the teaching of topics deemed related to Critical Race Theory (CRT), and the promotion of diversity, equity, and inclusion. Although a judge recently denied a request from Florida’s government to block an injunction against DeSantis’ “Stop-Woke” act in the state’s public colleges, DeSantis’ administration rejected dozens of math books—claiming some contained CRT. In January, Florida blocked the College Board from testing a pilot Advanced Placement African American Studies (APAAS). In the lesson by Studies Weekly used in elementary schools today, segregation is clearly defined: “The law said African Americans had to give up their seats on the bus if a white person wanted to sit down.” But in the initial version created for Florida’s review, the lesson reads: “She was told to move to a different seat because of the color of her skin.” And in the second updated version, race is removed completely: “She was told to move to a different seat.” While NYT reports that it’s unclear which of the alternate versions were submitted for state review, the second update—which includes no mention of race—was posted on the publisher’s website until last week. The company also made “similar changes to a fourth-grade lesson about segregation laws that arose after the Civil War,” according to the report. While the initial version for the textbook review refers to African Americans and explains how they were impacted by Jim Crow, the second version deletes mentions of race. In the second update, it simply states that it was illegal for “men of certain groups” to be unemployed and that “certain groups of people” were not allowed to serve on a jury. While the publisher has since taken down its fact-less version of history and withdrawn from the state’s review following inquires from NYT, potential profit losses may coax them to offer another revision to DeSantis’ chopping block. Publisher Deletes Race From Rosa Parks Story for Florida
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 17, 2023 12:23:52 GMT -5
Well, I don't, but nothing he or they could do would affect me anyway. As a straight, white male they would love me there...at least until I started arguing back! Still, I was merely commenting on the preference to be in Sarasota rather than Amherst in January. It's unfortunate some may be forced to choose differently. Yeah, he's a straight white cis guy. At 16 years old, He doesn't quite get how harmful Desantis is. DS thinks what Desantis is doing is stupid because he really doesn't see what the big deal is about being trans/gay/bi/POC. He doesn't see it as a big deal, so he doesn't understand how hateful some people are towards them. tell him to go walk a campus down there in a rainbow shirt.
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Post by haapai on Mar 17, 2023 12:57:47 GMT -5
Yeah, he's a straight white cis guy. At 16 years old, He doesn't quite get how harmful Desantis is. DS thinks what Desantis is doing is stupid because he really doesn't see what the big deal is about being trans/gay/bi/POC. He doesn't see it as a big deal, so he doesn't understand how hateful some people are towards them. tell him to go walk a campus down there in a rainbow shirt. On campus he'd probably be fine. Off campus, probably not so much.
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Post by kadee79 on Mar 18, 2023 17:03:07 GMT -5
he wants nothing to do with cold weather and snow. There are plenty of colleges within a 5 hour drive of me that he could attend, however, it would require dealing with several months of cold and snow. I cannot stress how much he hates cold weather. Well, there is Ca., Az., N.M. and Hawaii! Not sure I'd recommend anything in Hawaii either though. My grands went to private school in Hawaii due to the public schools there being so pathetic. Then DGS went to college in Va. & N.C. while DGD went to college at Pepperdine in/near Malibu, Ca.! She had fires & mud slides to contend with while she was there.
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Post by busymom on Mar 19, 2023 7:18:14 GMT -5
Saw this today, and it seems appropriate:
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2023 9:31:19 GMT -5
Saw this today, and it seems appropriate: DeSantis reaching back to 1947. DeSantis attempts to revoke Miami hotel's liquor license over drag showFlorida Gov. Ron DeSantis' administration filed a complaint against the Hyatt Regency Miami hotel, citing a 1947 state Supreme Court case on lewdness. The administration of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is seeking to revoke the liquor license of a Miami hotel for holding a Christmas-themed drag show in the presence of children. “A Drag Queen Christmas” was held Dec. 27 at the Hyatt Regency Miami hotel as a part of a larger holiday-themed drag show tour. The tour featured several stars from Emmy-winning competition show “RuPaul’s Drag Race” and took place across 36 U.S. cities. Minors were permitted if they were accompanied by an adult. In a 17-page complaint filed Tuesday with the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation’s Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco, which the department shared with NBC News, the DeSantis administration argued that the hotel violated Florida statutes on lewdness by hosting the show. The complaint cites a 1947 state Supreme Court case that found “men impersonating women” constitutes a public nuisance. It also argues that the hotel exposed children to “simulated sexual activity, and lewd, vulgar, and indecent displays.” “The nature of the Show’s performance, particularly when conducted in the presence of young children, corrupts the public morals and outrages the sense of public decency,” the complaint said. Rest of article here: DeSantis attempts to revoke Miami hotel's liquor license over drag show
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 19, 2023 10:23:27 GMT -5
this is so weird!
playing dressup is no longer OK? are these people too old or too young to remember Some Like It Hot?
EDIT: I really am starting to think that the US has been in steady decline in many ways since the mid-70's. unfortunately, many MAGAts would agree with me, but for entirely different reasons.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2023 10:29:48 GMT -5
I wonder if Florida would allow a man to dress up as a very feminine Daisy Duck and who makes sexually-suggested movements. Maybe Winnie the Pooh too. And Winnie wears no pants or underpants.
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Post by busymom on Mar 19, 2023 11:13:23 GMT -5
Does this mean men can no longer wear togas on college campuses? There goes Greek week...
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2023 11:28:25 GMT -5
Does this mean men can no longer wear togas on college campuses? There goes Greek week... Florida high school, college, university and professional sports team cheerleaders needs to cover up. Their uniforms are way too sexually suggestive. Might excite some tween boys (and tween girls too).
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 19, 2023 23:49:02 GMT -5
Don't say gay, draconian abortion laws, and now they proposed this - no discussions for girls before 6th grade about periods! Can we just saw Florida off the mainland and set it adrift? They are 100% out of their frigging minds. I personally know a lot of girls who have their first period before 6th grade. I may see an old woman when I look in the mirror but once there was a little fifth grader looking back at me who was coming to terms with decades of "this" and it just was not fair... news.yahoo.com/florida-gop-bill-ban-girls-145244703.html
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Post by busymom on Mar 20, 2023 0:12:38 GMT -5
Don't say gay, draconian abortion laws, and now they proposed this - no discussions for girls before 6th grade about periods! Can we just saw Florida off the mainland and set it adrift? They are 100% out of their frigging minds. I personally know a lot of girls who have their first period before 6th grade. I may see an old woman when I look in the mirror but once there was a little fifth grader looking back at me who was coming to germs with decades of "this" and it just was not fair... news.yahoo.com/florida-gop-bill-ban-girls-145244703.html That's just plain crazy. There were girls that were "developing" in my daughter's dance class as young as age 8. So DeSantis is going to pretend that nothing is happening until 6th grade?!? I have no words for such stupidity...
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