Is anyone else here buying the book?

[Opti]

Jan 15, 2023 15:36:22 GMT -5 busymom said:

Do you really think Pier Morgan is unbiased?  LOL!  He's a fanboy of the royals as much as MAGAs are fans of Trump.  And, I'm glad you brought up the subject of Trump.  (For the record, I did NOT vote for him.)  It is well known that Trump was not respected internationally at all.  Now, Queen Elizabeth WAS respected.  Unfortunately for Charles, he is not.  Of course, his own bad choices have set him up for failure.  He was married to one of the most beautiful women in the world, and instead of treating Diana well, he treated her awfully, not even taking a break from his unattractive mistress when he married.  (I think most of the men on the boards here would agree that Camilla cannot hold a candle to Diana, both in looks or kindness.)  Camilla has literally slept her way to the top.  I'm thankful I'm not British, because there is no way I would curtsy to such a poor example for young girls.  So, we have a man about to be crowned king who does his thinking with his little head, and his "side chick".  If he cannot make good choices in his personal life, how is he going to handle other matters?  I'll wager not too well.  If the monarchy fails, it won't be Harry's fault.  It'll all be on Charles.  So be it.  At least in America we can vote out our failures.  

I don't really care about the looks of Diana compared to Camilla. I think Diana was ill used by Charles, the Queen, and whoever else supported bringing in a 20 yr old virgin into the royal enclave. She had little support to navigate things and even having Fergie briefly probably didn't help as much as it should have. 

I don't know what Camilla wanted except Charles and I doubt I will likely ever know. I did see a possible glimpse into the next storyline for the royals as a palace insider pitted Camilla against Kate and claimed Kate' parents need to use the servant's entrance to see her. 

I'm not surprised Charles had a hard time with comforting Harry on his mother's death. Charles was probably relieved in some sense, and I'd be surprised if he had any grief over it at all. Diana made the monarchy more popular but also made some royals nervous because of it I think. They wanted the popularity but I think did not want the source of it to be an outsider.

[busymom]

Jan 15, 2023 17:18:30 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

 Unfortunately for Charles, he is not. Of course, his own bad choices have set him up for failure. He was married to one of the most beautiful women in the world, and instead of treating Diana well, he treated her awfully, not even taking a break from his unattractive mistress when he married. (I think most of the men on the boards here would agree that Camilla cannot hold a candle to Diana, both in looks or kindness.)

You are making a lot of assumptions here.
Its amazing how may people think they know what went on.... by reading a script from someone who wasn't there.

Charles loves Camilla and she supports him.
Its not an easy job being King and he is doing well with the woman he loves by his side.

We don't get to choose who someone else loves. Its not our business.

   But you don't marry someone you don't love (as Charles did Diana) and use them as a brood mare.  Whether we like it or not, people in high places set an example.  Charles set a very poor one. 


    Frankly, none of us totally know what is going on.  And, I don't believe anything that Buckingham Palace releases as "news".  It's how they want to be seen, not what is actually happening.


    And, does Camilla REALLY love Charles, or the perks she gets for being on his arm?  She now wears much more expensive jewelry than she used to.  


 

[TheOtherMe]

We shouldn't know what is actually going on.  Do any of us know what is actually going on in the home next door or across the street?  No and we shouldn't.

[laterbloomer]

Jan 15, 2023 20:56:17 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

We shouldn't know what is actually going on. Do any of us know what is actually going on in the home next door or across the street? No and we shouldn't.

The people next door don't claim to be divinely assigned to be kings and queens with me as their subject. For the amount of money and prestige the "royals" claim they can damn well pony up on the live entertainment end of things.

[laterbloomer]

The Windsor's led the colonization of many countries around the world. Colonization involving the decimation of many indigenous people's around the world. Here in Canada it involved rounding up the children and sending them to residential schools to be beaten, raped and murdered. Then there is a whole discussion to be had of their theft of the treasures and natural resources of those colonized countries. I have no use for the Windsor's but them not being nice to Harry and Meghan doesn't crack the top 100 reasons of why I have no respect for them. Harry might not be the most privileged member of his family but he is still a ridiculously privileged individual. For pete's sake, he is still promoting the myth that the woman that everyone had to bow and curtsy to "served" her country.

[Spellbound454]

 And, does Camilla REALLY love Charles, or the perks she gets for being on his arm? She now wears much more expensive jewelry than she used to.

I don't think haute couture is quite her thing.
She is a horsey/country woman.... and most of the images we have seen of her over the years have been in jodpurs and a wax jacket.
Its odd to see her dressed up.
It was Elizabeth 11 who wanted her to be Queen consort and if anyone was in a position to make a personal judgement. It would be her.

Camilla is OK. She has kept quiet all these years and maintained her dignity.

and she makes the King happy. I think most people are fine with that.

 Charles was probably relieved in some sense, and I'd be surprised if he had any grief over it at all

and yet, when he went to collect her body from Paris, the coffin was draped in the Royal Standard Flag.... not the Union Jack which would be protocal for a non HRH.
That was at the insistence of Charles. He also walked behind her coffin, along with his father, her brother and the Boys.

Seems to me the TV series, The Crown made Charles out to be a bit of a chump.... and thats what we are getting here.
but try to remember, The Crown, is a work of fiction.

 doesn't crack the top 100 reasons

We've probably had this conversation before. However, We like our government, and that's the main thing.

[Deleted]

No, I will not be buying or reading the book.  The royals seem like a sad dysfunctional family, and I like my disfunction fictional.  No interest.  

[Spellbound454]

 this is hilarious. you weren't there, either. you're just parroting the bullshit that is the product of the greatest PR firm in the world. 🤣

and this is aggressive when we were having a light conversation.
Who are you to judge what is... and isn't bullshit?


I am giving a point of view from someone who is actually English ...... and you are blustering through like a character from "mean girls"

On block, I cant be arsed with this shite.

[chiver78]

I'm not the only one telling you this, and a number of folks gave it the , so it's funny that you think I'm an aggressive "mean girl" here.  this light conversation is bordering on the absurd as you continue to wax poetic about this fantasy land royal family and out of the other side of your mouth, you're ridiculing those who bow down before Trump.....and can't see the irony in it at all. and I really hope someone quotes it so you do see it. 

guess I need to figure out how to override the block for moderating purposes, just in case I need to do that for you. or, I can just say it's not my problem?  

[daisylu]

Jan 16, 2023 15:09:43 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I'm not the only one telling you this, and a number of folks gave it the , so it's funny that you think I'm an aggressive "mean girl" here.  this light conversation is bordering on the absurd as you continue to wax poetic about this fantasy land royal family and out of the other side of your mouth, you're ridiculing those who bow down before Trump.....and can't see the irony in it at all. and I really hope someone quotes it so you do see it. 

guess I need to figure out how to override the block for moderating purposes, just in case I need to do that for you. or, I can just say it's not my problem?  

It's the bolded for me as well. 

[Spellbound454]

 guess I need to figure out how to override the block for moderating purposes, just in case I need to do that for you.

Is this a threat?...... Nice.

Its a light hearted discussion forum and we were having a good natured conversation ...... This should be encouraged and supported by Mods for the integrity of the posters to enjoy.

Not a place for you to weald your hammer to bully and block people who don't agree with your point of view.

Your behaviour Chiver, is out of order.

[Spellbound454]

I like talking to some of the posters, like Opt who make interesting points.

and we were all doing perfectly fine without this interruption. 

[chiver78]

Jan 16, 2023 17:36:32 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

 guess I need to figure out how to override the block for moderating purposes, just in case I need to do that for you.

Is this a threat?...... Nice.

Its a light hearted discussion forum and we were having a good natured conversation ...... This should be encouraged and supported by Mods for the integrity of the posters to enjoy.

Not a place for you to weald your hammer to bully and block people who don't agree with your point of view.

Your behaviour Chiver, is out of order.

oh, you're quoting me after posting that you've blocked me. that's cute. actually, no, that post was the opposite of a threat. I have zero reason to threaten anyone here. and if you want to accuse me of a threat, I'll happily report that post to moonbeam. my comment about overriding a block is that, should moderating need to happen where someone has me blocked, I need to hard code an override into my reply. otherwise you wouldn't see my post b/c you've blocked me. 

but, since you seem to think I'm threatening you, I'll just sit back and let you do you, boo. cheers. 

[TheOtherMe]

Because your behavior is out of order.  Why would an adult talk to another adult that way?  

[laterbloomer]

Jan 16, 2023 12:55:18 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

doesn't crack the top 100 reasons

We've probably had this conversation before. However, We like our government, and that's the main thing.

The Kardashians and Trump also have groupies, doesn't make them sensible or admirable.

[chiver78]

so it's been a week. has anyone who bought the book finished it yet? 

[TheOtherMe]

It's on my Kindle.  I read a book I had bought previously the last couple of days.  That is the next book I plan to read.

[chiver78]

one of my two cabinmates bought it. the other already claimed dibs if the first finishes it by the boat. I'm next in line, or I'll just buy it when I get back.

[tcu2003]

I finished a couple of days ago.

[thyme4change]

Jan 10, 2023 17:25:25 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

I plan to read it.  

I don't think Camilla should be "queen consort" either and I'm betting she will be queen someday.

I learned - and hopefully I am saying this all correctly, please someone stop me if I am wrong - that the title of Queen is only when she is the reigning monarch and the wife of the King is always the queen consort - but they use Queen as the title as a kinda shortcut. There is a whole protocol around it. So, Camilla will only ever be Queen Consort, even if she is referred to as Queen, and Diana would have also been officially Queen Consort, but would have been referred to as Queen. Kate will also be the Queen Consort.

I think Philip was Price Consort. I think consort just kinda means ‘spouse of the monarch’.

As far as the royal family- they aren’t political and they are the head of state in a ceremonial way. But do they get used in away like an ambassador or dignitary of some kind? If the monarchy was abolished, would there need to be additional positions on the government payroll to cover things - or are they just additions to whatever is already being funded by the taxpayers?

[chiver78]

Philip was Prince Consort, yes.

[minnesotapaintlady]

I cancelled my audible membership today and had 5 credits I needed to spend first so bought this book as one of the 5.  I still have about 20 hours left on the book I'm on, but then will listen to Spare next.

Audible is about the only way I have time to "read" these days, but I was getting such a stockpile of books in there too that I figured it was a waste to pay to renew already. 

[minnesotapaintlady]

I just finished the book and enjoyed it quite a bit, especially with him narrating.  It was kind of like sitting in my living room having Harry tell me his life story.  I've never thought that living one's life in a fishbowl being scrutinized for everything sounded all that great and when you're born into it and have no choice?  Yuck. I'd desperately want to leave too.  It was painful hearing him talk about his mom so much.  She died when he was 12, the same age Carrot is now, so that got to me a lot.  

[skeeter]

Feb 15, 2023 15:18:18 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I just finished the book and enjoyed it quite a bit, especially with him narrating.  It was kind of like sitting in my living room having Harry tell me his life story.  I've never thought that living one's life in a fishbowl being scrutinized for everything sounded all that great and when you're born into it and have no choice?  Yuck. I'd desperately want to leave too.  It was painful hearing him talk about his mom so much.  She died when he was 12, the same age Carrot is now, so that got to me a lot.  

So the above means you would recommend it?  Asking because I'm still debating whether or not to buy it.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Feb 15, 2023 20:31:54 GMT -5 skeeter said:

Feb 15, 2023 15:18:18 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I just finished the book and enjoyed it quite a bit, especially with him narrating.  It was kind of like sitting in my living room having Harry tell me his life story.  I've never thought that living one's life in a fishbowl being scrutinized for everything sounded all that great and when you're born into it and have no choice?  Yuck. I'd desperately want to leave too.  It was painful hearing him talk about his mom so much.  She died when he was 12, the same age Carrot is now, so that got to me a lot.  

So the above means you would recommend it?  Asking because I'm still debating whether or not to buy it.

Well, definitely worth at least getting from the library.

[I Am Caine]

Who cares? Didnt our predecessors kick these people's predecessors out of this country almost  250 years ago? Anyone who is fascinated by these goings-on can always head north.

[thyme4change]

Feb 24, 2023 11:43:11 GMT -5 I Am Caine said:

Who cares? Didnt our predecessors kick these people's predecessors out of this country almost  250 years ago? Anyone who is fascinated by these goings-on can always head north.

Or, we can treat them like celebrities, even if the only thing they did was come out of a certain uterus. We have plenty of “celebrities” like that - Paris Hilton and the Kardasians spring to mind. I don’t think we need to call treason and have people leave the country for reading a published book by a very well known public figure.

Plus “we” kicked them out, but in 1776 all my ancestors were in England (and that one guy in Germany). So, I can honor my heritage by understanding how history relates to current events.

If those confederate assholes can wave the flag that literally stands for treason against the United States, I think I can follow the story of some British dude without surrendering my citizenship.

[TheOtherMe]

Feb 24, 2023 11:43:11 GMT -5 I Am Caine said:

Who cares? Didnt our predecessors kick these people's predecessors out of this country almost  250 years ago? Anyone who is fascinated by these goings-on can always head north.

Ever tried to emigrate to Canada.  I tried.  Unless you have a job lined up or own propery, it's impossible.

They also take off points for age after a certain age.  I think by now I am in the negatives

[thyme4change]

Maybe if you don’t like the fact that it is perfectly legal and socially acceptable to read a memoir by a British Prince than maybe YOU should immigrate to China, Russia or North Korea where reading material is very selective and chosen by the government.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 15, 2023 18:58:19 GMT -5 busymom said:

Jan 15, 2023 17:18:30 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

You are making a lot of assumptions here.
Its amazing how may people think they know what went on.... by reading a script from someone who wasn't there.

Charles loves Camilla and she supports him.
Its not an easy job being King and he is doing well with the woman he loves by his side.

We don't get to choose who someone else loves. Its not our business.

   But you don't marry someone you don't love (as Charles did Diana) and use them as a brood mare.  Whether we like it or not, people in high places set an example.  Charles set a very poor one. 


    Frankly, none of us totally know what is going on.  And, I don't believe anything that Buckingham Palace releases as "news".  It's how they want to be seen, not what is actually happening.


    And, does Camilla REALLY love Charles, or the perks she gets for being on his arm?  She now wears much more expensive jewelry than she used to.  


 

He HAD to marry a virgin and produce heirs.  Diana even had a virgingity check. Therefore, he couldn't marry the woman he adored. Camilla was divorced, not a virgin and well past the age to produce heirs. 
He was forced into a loveless marriage and I felt sorry for him. I felt sorry for her, too.
It doesn't matter that Diana was more attractive than Camilla. Charles didn't care about such superficialities. Camilla was the love of his life.