The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Part of the reason the electoral college exists is there was a push by slave holding states in the South that if every vote counted then slaves should be able to vote.

This would have given enormous power to those states because it's not like slaves were goingto be allowed to vote as they pleased.

Plus there was the pesky issue of African Americans being property. Property can't vote.

If they are people with the right to vote fairly they can't be property.

And they were cognizant enough to recognize if slaves could vote freely it was unlikely they were going to vote for their oppressors.

The electoral college and slaves counting as 3/5 of a person were the compromise.

The electoral college was designed to ensure power stayed with those that already had it and it's continued that way since it's inception.

[scgal]

Dec 29, 2022 10:42:12 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think it is time we just be honest. We all know that the reason Tanya, I mean Hillary lost is because she reminded us of Little Miss Goody Two Shoes we all had to deal with in elementary school, Mrs. Jones' perfect pet that we were told a million times we should be like. We still hate that bitch and took our revenge out on Clinton.

Okay, maybe I am projecting.

Not quite for me. I'm speaking as a female (expiermented a little) thought whe was hot as hell. Def would have slept with her in my younger years

[scgal]

Dec 29, 2022 9:36:37 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Also A LOT of voters stayed home thinking no way in hell would Trump win.  They didn't take into account history shows that when you have several bedrock changing events such as legalizing gay marriage, a black man being president twice and a woman making it to be the democratic nominee there is a direct correlated backlash against it by those who currently hold all the privilege to ensure those people remember their place.

Trump showed up during the right point in history.  He wasn't a better candidate he was the candidate that is the epitome of white male power.    I LOVE how conservatives bashed Obama for being inexperienced and now apparently Hillary despite both their resumes of public service and having held office but TRUMP was experienced enough to vote in?  

Uh huh yeah that is TOTALLY what got him elected.

We seemed to have remembered that fact in 2020 and people came out to vote in record numbers.  Here is hoping that happens in 2024.

Don't forget those of us it wasn't so much voting for trump as it was voting against hillary or just democrats

[scgal]

Dec 29, 2022 14:27:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 28, 2022 15:57:01 GMT -5 scgal said:

Hillary being SOS or Senator would qualify her if not for the scandals while in office. Benghazi, emails etc. Basically the same way I feel about Trump the scandals is not good for the country 

except for neither of those were scandals.  if they were, she would have been tried, convicted, and likely removed for them.

I would argue that a scandal and doing something illegal does not have to be the same thing

[scgal]

Dec 29, 2022 8:40:09 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

The point I am making is if she was good at her job she should have easily beat a Trump who is a second rate businessman.

trump won because Kellyanne Conway was much better than the Dems in getting the electoral votes needed. Also Comey ignoring established protocol and falsely accusing Hillary at the end was devastating to her run.

what did she falsly accuse her of

[billisonboard]

Dec 30, 2022 10:41:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 29, 2022 14:27:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

except for neither of those were scandals.  if they were, she would have been tried, convicted, and likely removed for them.

I would argue that a scandal and doing something illegal does not have to be the same thing

Totally agree. One can be drawn into a scandal having done literally nothing other than existing on the planet.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 30, 2022 10:41:45 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 29, 2022 14:27:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

except for neither of those were scandals.  if they were, she would have been tried, convicted, and likely removed for them.

I would argue that a scandal and doing something illegal does not have to be the same thing

if it is not illegal, it falls into "mind your own business" for me.
Americans are WAY too concerned about stuff that is legal, imo.

[thyme4change]

Dec 29, 2022 17:16:52 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Dec 29, 2022 16:58:11 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Only 11 million people in CA voted for Biden. If the national turn out was the same, the vote in CA would only be as big of a factor as it is in the electoral college. Plus, finally, the CA Republicans would have some say in who is President.

11 million out of the 17.5 million that voted. Trump only got 6 million.  The rest went to 3rd party candidates. 

Yes - put the point I was trying to make is that California doesn’t have enough voters, much less enough liberal voters, to decide the whole election.

If you take 55 / 270 - CA is 20% of the votes needed to win.

If you take 11 million / 81 million - CA is only 13.6% of the votes needed to win. The electoral vote gives California MORE power than it has in the popular vote.

I am sick of the argument that California would decide the election. Even if every man, woman, child and infant in CA voted for a single candidate, that candidate would still need votes from elsewhere. Throw in every man, woman and child in New York and pretend that they ALL vote the same way (which is utter bullshit) and that candidate still wouldn’t win.

The electoral college sucks an infected penis and needs to be disposed of.

[tallguy]

Dec 30, 2022 22:26:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Dec 29, 2022 17:16:52 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

11 million out of the 17.5 million that voted. Trump only got 6 million.  The rest went to 3rd party candidates. 

Yes - put the point I was trying to make is that California doesn’t have enough voters, much less enough liberal voters, to decide the whole election.

If you take 55 / 270 - CA is 20% of the votes needed to win.

If you take 11 million / 81 million - CA is only 13.6% of the votes needed to win. The electoral vote gives California MORE power than it has in the popular vote.

I am sick of the argument that California would decide the election. Even if every man, woman, child and infant in CA voted for a single candidate, that candidate would still need votes from elsewhere. Throw in every man, woman and child in New York and pretend that they ALL vote the same way (which is utter bullshit) and that candidate still wouldn’t win.

The electoral college sucks an infected penis and needs to be disposed of.

No, that is false.  Your math is wrong.  The population of California is roughly 39 million.  The population of the U.S. is around 332 million as I recall.  We will have to assume that the percentage of eligible voters is uniform for any calculation to have any meaning, but that means that California contains about 11.75% of the population in this country.  California receives 55 electoral votes.  Given that the total is 538, that means that California accounts for only 10.22% of the electoral votes available.  Large-population states always subsidize small-population states.  That is just the way it works, and it ALWAYS works that way.  It has to because of the way the system is set up.  Wyoming, for example, basically has each individual vote count for three times as much as a vote in California.  It is an odd calculation to make, figuring how many individual votes cast in the state per electoral vote received by the state, but no way in hell does California or any other large-population state gain an advantage at the expense of smaller states.  It is clearly and unambiguously the other way around.

ETA:  Because the idea is so wrong, I went ahead and did another calculation to illustrate it more fully.  California's population of 39 million-plus is roughly two million more than the total combined population of the smallest 21 states plus the District of Columbia.  California receives 55 electoral votes.  Those other 22 voting populations receive a total of 95 electoral votes.  Small states are OVER-REPRESENTED by dozens of electoral votes.  You are correct that the Electoral College needs to be "disposed of."  Your reasoning, however, is not close to the truth.       

[djAdvocate]

TG is right.  California has the least electoral power by the numbers.  i think Montana has the most, if memory serves.  or Wyoming.

[tallguy]

Dec 31, 2022 4:08:54 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

TG is right.  California has the least electoral power by the numbers.  i think Montana has the most, if memory serves.  or Wyoming.

Wyoming.  Followed by Vermont, D.C., and Alaska if I recall correctly.  Montana is relatively populous compared to the others.

[thyme4change]

Dec 31, 2022 4:08:54 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

TG is right.  California has the least electoral power by the numbers.  i think Montana has the most, if memory serves.  or Wyoming.

Yes - but CA already contributes significantly to who the President is.

[tallguy]

Dec 31, 2022 11:55:49 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Dec 31, 2022 4:08:54 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

TG is right.  California has the least electoral power by the numbers.  i think Montana has the most, if memory serves.  or Wyoming.

Yes - but CA already contributes significantly to who the President is.

Because, and I know this is complicated so bear with me, THEY HAVE BY FAR THE LARGEST NUMBER OF VOTERS.

Your claim was that California has outsized power due to the Electoral College.  That is categorically untrue. 

[thyme4change]

Okay - I take it back.

[happyhoix]

Dec 30, 2022 10:45:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 29, 2022 8:40:09 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

trump won because Kellyanne Conway was much better than the Dems in getting the electoral votes needed. Also Comey ignoring established protocol and falsely accusing Hillary at the end was devastating to her run.

what did she falsly accuse her of

Comey announced in the last few weeks prior to the election that another trove of Hillary emails had surfaced. (You remember in the quaint old days when a politician having a private server in her basement was considered an overwhelming security threat?)

Without waiting for his superiors to approve, and ignoring the usual DOJ rule about not releasing potential inflammatory info close to an election, Comey had a press conference about it.

After the election Comey reported that none of the new emails were secret. Unfortunately the damage was done, and Hillary lost, something I am 100 % sure Comey later came to regret.

[scgal]

Dec 31, 2022 14:57:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 30, 2022 10:45:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

what did she falsly accuse her of

Comey announced in the last few weeks prior to the election that another trove of Hillary emails had surfaced. (You remember in the quaint old days when a politician having a private server in her basement was considered an overwhelming security threat?)

Without waiting for his superiors to approve, and ignoring the usual DOJ rule about not releasing potential inflammatory info close to an election, Comey had a press conference about it.

After the election Comey reported that none of the new emails were secret. Unfortunately the damage was done, and Hillary lost, something I am 100 % sure Comey later came to regret.

He announced an investigation involving further emails and stated they may mean nothing Trump is the one ran with it. Bottom line is Hillary was in the lead for so long they go careless. 

[Opti]

Dec 31, 2022 14:57:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 30, 2022 10:45:38 GMT -5 scgal said:

what did she falsly accuse her of

Comey announced in the last few weeks prior to the election that another trove of Hillary emails had surfaced. (You remember in the quaint old days when a politician having a private server in her basement was considered an overwhelming security threat?)

Without waiting for his superiors to approve, and ignoring the usual DOJ rule about not releasing potential inflammatory info close to an election, Comey had a press conference about it.

After the election Comey reported that none of the new emails were secret. Unfortunately the damage was done, and Hillary lost, something I am 100 % sure Comey later came to regret.

And I think none of the emails were even technically new. It was a trove found on Andy Weiner's laptop that Huma had used so there was a possibility although I don't think a good one, that a hereto undiscovered email might have been on it but not on the server.

[billisonboard]

Mapping out our current location:

[happyhoix]

Jan 1, 2023 9:06:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 31, 2022 14:57:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Comey announced in the last few weeks prior to the election that another trove of Hillary emails had surfaced. (You remember in the quaint old days when a politician having a private server in her basement was considered an overwhelming security threat?)

Without waiting for his superiors to approve, and ignoring the usual DOJ rule about not releasing potential inflammatory info close to an election, Comey had a press conference about it.

After the election Comey reported that none of the new emails were secret. Unfortunately the damage was done, and Hillary lost, something I am 100 % sure Comey later came to regret.

He announced an investigation involving further emails and stated they may mean nothing Trump is the one ran with it. Bottom line is Hillary was in the lead for so long they go careless. 

I don’t disagree with that. And Kelly Anne was very good at working out how to make the electoral college work for her.

Trump himself admitted he won an election he would have lost on almost any other day.

Not the smoking hot majority he claimed it was in public.

He squeaked in and has almost wrecked democracy.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 1, 2023 9:06:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

Dec 31, 2022 14:57:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Comey announced in the last few weeks prior to the election that another trove of Hillary emails had surfaced. (You remember in the quaint old days when a politician having a private server in her basement was considered an overwhelming security threat?)

Without waiting for his superiors to approve, and ignoring the usual DOJ rule about not releasing potential inflammatory info close to an election, Comey had a press conference about it.

After the election Comey reported that none of the new emails were secret. Unfortunately the damage was done, and Hillary lost, something I am 100 % sure Comey later came to regret.

He announced an investigation involving further emails and stated they may mean nothing Trump is the one ran with it. Bottom line is Hillary was in the lead for so long they go careless. 

right.  but it is one thing to run in the lead forever and lay down like the hare and the tortoise.  it is another thing to be kneecapped by the FBI.

[hurley1980]

Dec 30, 2022 22:26:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Dec 29, 2022 17:16:52 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

11 million out of the 17.5 million that voted. Trump only got 6 million.  The rest went to 3rd party candidates. 

Yes - put the point I was trying to make is that California doesn’t have enough voters, much less enough liberal voters, to decide the whole election.

If you take 55 / 270 - CA is 20% of the votes needed to win.

If you take 11 million / 81 million - CA is only 13.6% of the votes needed to win. The electoral vote gives California MORE power than it has in the popular vote.

I am sick of the argument that California would decide the election. Even if every man, woman, child and infant in CA voted for a single candidate, that candidate would still need votes from elsewhere. Throw in every man, woman and child in New York and pretend that they ALL vote the same way (which is utter bullshit) and that candidate still wouldn’t win.

The electoral college sucks an infected penis and needs to be disposed of.

Ya, sorry.  I misread your post when I first replied. I thought you were saying that Trump didn't lose by that much.  Sorry for the hasty reply. 

[tbop77]

Former President Donald Trump said he would build an "impenetrable dome" over the US if re-elected as president, as he warned of the possible "catastrophe" of World War III.



"If you take a look right now, the 'nuclear' word is being mentioned all the time. This is a word you're not allowed to use. It was never used during the Trump administration," Trump said in a video released Friday.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-said-he-would-build-an-impenetrable-dome-over-the-us-as-he-warned-of-a-possible-world-war-iii/ar-AA16PPCO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c75fa1af024740ef8600a1f2524e5936

I just have two questions:

Is this before or after he builds the wall?
Is Russia going to pay for it?

[Opti]

I hate his lies. Trump himself used the word nuclear when President.    Yeah and ignore its your alleged buddy, puppet master Putin that is threating nuclear war. 

[billisonboard]

Bad penny.

“I call upon the scientific community in our country, those who gave us nuclear weapons, to turn their great talents now to the cause of mankind and world peace, to give us the means of rendering these nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete,” President Ronald Reagan said on March 23, 1983. The speech announced the creation of a new missile defense called the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), which quickly became known as Star Wars.

A look at President Reagan’s Star Wars program, 33 years later

[Tennesseer]

Jan 29, 2023 8:33:48 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Former President Donald Trump said he would build an "impenetrable dome" over the US if re-elected as president, as he warned of the possible "catastrophe" of World War III.



"If you take a look right now, the 'nuclear' word is being mentioned all the time. This is a word you're not allowed to use. It was never used during the Trump administration," Trump said in a video released Friday.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-said-he-would-build-an-impenetrable-dome-over-the-us-as-he-warned-of-a-possible-world-war-iii/ar-AA16PPCO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c75fa1af024740ef8600a1f2524e5936

I just have two questions:

Is this before or after he builds the wall?
Is Russia going to pay for it?

Article dated 9/9/2020.

Trump disclosed secret weapons system to Woodward: book

Trump discussed the weapons system while reflecting on how close the United States and North Korea came to nuclear war in 2017, according to excerpts from “Rage” published Wednesday by The Washington Post, where Woodward is an associate editor.

“I have built a nuclear — a weapons system that nobody’s ever had in this country before. We have stuff that you haven’t even seen or heard about,” Trump told Woodward, according to the Post.

“We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before,” Trump added, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping. “There’s nobody — what we have is incredible.”

Trump disclosed secret weapons system to Woodward: book

Next!

[happyhoix]

Jan 29, 2023 8:33:48 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Former President Donald Trump said he would build an "impenetrable dome" over the US if re-elected as president, as he warned of the possible "catastrophe" of World War III.



"If you take a look right now, the 'nuclear' word is being mentioned all the time. This is a word you're not allowed to use. It was never used during the Trump administration," Trump said in a video released Friday.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-said-he-would-build-an-impenetrable-dome-over-the-us-as-he-warned-of-a-possible-world-war-iii/ar-AA16PPCO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c75fa1af024740ef8600a1f2524e5936

I just have two questions:

Is this before or after he builds the wall?
Is Russia going to pay for it?

Trump wanted to launch a nuclear weapon at a hurricane. He had to be talked out of it. 

Idiot. 

And a fear monger. Rile up the low IQ MAGA heads so they’ll flock to him in 2024. 

[djAdvocate]

Jan 29, 2023 11:49:54 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 29, 2023 8:33:48 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Former President Donald Trump said he would build an "impenetrable dome" over the US if re-elected as president, as he warned of the possible "catastrophe" of World War III.



"If you take a look right now, the 'nuclear' word is being mentioned all the time. This is a word you're not allowed to use. It was never used during the Trump administration," Trump said in a video released Friday.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-said-he-would-build-an-impenetrable-dome-over-the-us-as-he-warned-of-a-possible-world-war-iii/ar-AA16PPCO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c75fa1af024740ef8600a1f2524e5936

I just have two questions:

Is this before or after he builds the wall?
Is Russia going to pay for it?

Article dated 9/9/2020.

Trump disclosed secret weapons system to Woodward: book

Trump discussed the weapons system while reflecting on how close the United States and North Korea came to nuclear war in 2017, according to excerpts from “Rage” published Wednesday by The Washington Post, where Woodward is an associate editor.

“I have built a nuclear — a weapons system that nobody’s ever had in this country before. We have stuff that you haven’t even seen or heard about,” Trump told Woodward, according to the Post.

“We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before,” Trump added, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping. “There’s nobody — what we have is incredible.”

Trump disclosed secret weapons system to Woodward: book

Next!

the term Star Wars mean anything to this dumb ass?  this idea has been explored, and it is a quadrillion dollar defense system.  and for what?  who has used nuclear weapons since WW2?

[tbop77]

One Make America Great Again (MAGA) supporter was very firm in a warning he issued to DeSantis on Twitter. Brenden Dilley, a podcast host and 2018 Arizona congressional candidate, made it known that he wouldn't support the Florida governor if he decided to run in the 2024 presidential primary.



"Full Warning: If Ron DeSantis announces his run for president in 2024, I will not show him or his supporters any quarter," Dilley tweeted Sunday. "We will meme that disloyal dog into oblivion and make him permanently unelectable just like Ted Cruz."


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maga-republican-issues-stark-warning-to-ron-desantis/ar-AA16UZOo?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=60a8b6d55c8c4609b748ea4bfd5cdc9c

I hope Trump destroys every chance the Republicans have of winning the WH next year.  So well deserved!

[djAdvocate]

i think that guy is mistaken.  Cruz could have won the primary.
he was just ill equipped to deal with someone as craven as Trump.

[billisonboard]

Jan 31, 2023 11:51:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i think that guy is mistaken.  Cruz could have won the primary.
he was just ill equipped to deal with someone as craven as Trump.

"We will meme that disloyal dog into oblivion and make him permanently unelectable just like Ted Cruz."

Cruz could have won but didn't, it least in part because of 51 Funniest Ted Cruz Memes. Don't think he has much chance of winning the presidency in the future. I think Trump and minions can meme DeSantis into the ground also.