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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 25, 2024 17:54:47 GMT -5
So when the guy was 18 he picked a major thinking a four year degree would allow him to support himself and pay back the loan - not realizing that a music degree doesn’t always equal a high paying job. He’s probably paid what he could for years, maybe decades, and probably has nearly as much debt now as he did when he started. I figure if he gets his loans erased, he can put that money back into the economy - buy a house, a new car, clothes, eat out, whatever. If all the lower earning people struggling with that kind of debt suddenly had the freedom to buy things, imagine what a bump it would be to our economy. But no - you want this guy to struggle the rest of his life, hacking away bit by bit at his student loans, until he finally dies and they get erased that way. I think it’s stupid we don’t provide more information to young adults trying to decide whether or not they should take out student loans - they need help calculating what their earning potential might be, and how long it might take to pay those debts off. I bet a lot of them would decide, instead, to go with a trade program, or pick a different major, if they had all the facts. But now that we have a bunch of adults several decades out of college who aren’t earning enough to put a dent in their student loan debt, I have no problem helping them get out from under that particular load. Helps the economy in the long run. Or maybe you should only be getting student loans for decent income generating fields like medical, law, engineering. Teaching degrees can get student loans with a 20 year payback with a forgiveness at the end of they did alot of continuing education. Stuff like the arts and bullshit degrees they should get no loans for. That would help elevate some of this. The whole system needs to have an overhaul given how culturally vapid this country is, i could hardly disagree. let's just finish killing off the arts here, once and for all.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 25, 2024 17:57:41 GMT -5
Or maybe you should only be getting student loans for decent income generating fields like medical, law, engineering. Teaching degrees can get student loans with a 20 year payback with a forgiveness at the end of they did alot of continuing education. Stuff like the arts and bullshit degrees they should get no loans for. That would help elevate some of this. The whole system needs to have an overhaulYes it does. The problems are that the system is inherently corrupt, lenders are too well protected by law, and the general public (and especially kids) are stupid about money. also, we should decide, once and for all, what public education is for. is it there to train robots for Elon Musk, or is it there to engender a creative and compelling workforce that could then pass that knowledge on to their community, and attend good governance? you can bet that conservatives are strictly on one side of that fence. the robot side.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 25, 2024 18:02:15 GMT -5
My sister has an art degree and makes more than me with a STEM degree doing interior design. That is great she found a way for it to pay well for her, as I am sure she worked very hard to get to that point. In the end thou art degrees on the most part have a very low salary compared to other fields. same with astrophysics and paleontology. you could fit the entire working world for those degrees in one (relatively small) warehouse. there are far more graduates in this field than openings. that is not the problem with music. there are far more openings than graduates. it is just that it pays shit. in the United States.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 25, 2024 18:07:03 GMT -5
ok. listen. i realize that this is a subtle argument about currencies. it really is. you can look at it a dozen ways, some good and some bad. let's just back up to the 10000 foot view, as a ruducto ad absurdum argument. if having a weak currency is GREAT, then the countries with the weakest currencies should be the BEST countries to be in, right? here are a list of the 10 weakest currencies in the world: Lebanese pound (LBP) Iranian rial (IRR) Vietnamese dong (VND) Sierra Leonean leones (SLE) Laotian kip (LAK) Indonesian rupiah (IDR) Syrian pound (SYP) Uzbekistani sum (UZS) question 1: how many of you have been to any of those countries? question 2: how many of you WANT TO GO to any of those countries? question 3: how many would want to move a business there? question 4: how many aspire to travel, work, or live there? out of thirty two possibilities, i scored a ONE. how about any of you? -Three in the category how many have you been to. I really did enjoy the weak dong while on vacation. - I would like to visit those three again I- it is my understanding that at least Vietnam is a place that companies want to move to - all three countries (the ones in Asia which are relatively close together) are way too hot and humid for me to move to. I have done 10 years in the tropics. That is enough to last me several life times. you're different. i like you. edit: you win, with a score of 7. i realized afterwards that i should have scored MINE a 2. i am pretty interested in VN. ever since i saw that Lara Croft movie. amazing architecture and scenery. and i am a sucker for ancient structures.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 25, 2024 18:14:02 GMT -5
Thats right art degrees are useless. They do nothing to build anything other than something to look at. Hmm, my oldest son has an arts degree, American Craftsman degree I believe it was termed. Furniture design, woodworking. Just something to look at? His first job was with a pipe organ restoration firm - combined both his extensive music background and woodworking and other stuff like electrical. Then he did a year in Americorp in inner city schools - math and especially music. They were thrilled he could also paint murals of Harriet Tubman and other people to inspire the students. Next he worked for a paper custom packaging company, bridging the gap between the print operators and die cutters on the floor and design in the office, building elaborate spreadsheets to track/match materials with appropriate machines, existing dies and forms, etc. Did some model making as needed. Now he's coding. i have always contended that a degree just says "i know how to learn". it doesn't really matter what your degree is in. i had an MSE degree, but i only use it about 10% of my day. the other 90% i could get by with an AS in Math. i happen to think that none of that is what makes me successful, though. it is the fact that i am insatiably curious that makes me successful, imo. if i don't get something, i just keep studying it until i get it. so far, the only nut i have not cracked is people. but i continue trying. i am also quite patient.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 25, 2024 18:19:56 GMT -5
Or maybe you should only be getting student loans for decent income generating fields like medical, law, engineering. Teaching degrees can get student loans with a 20 year payback with a forgiveness at the end of they did alot of continuing education. Stuff like the arts and bullshit degrees they should get no loans for. That would help elevate some of this. The whole system needs to have an overhaul The only loans that people should pay are the ones that will make billionaires wealthier. Maybe the companies that need those types of people should pay for the schooling of all of them - not through salaries, but through grants or endowments. Leave the art world for people who are beautiful and care about such things. you are one of a handful of posters here that cuts right through about seven layers of soft padding and draws blood. i admire that. this is really it, isn't it? if you are not getting educated in furtherance of the dollar and/or the C Suite, then you should probably just get sterilized, or die, whichever is quicker. you know, in France, there is a tradition of cherishing the eccentric? you can find the same thing in India, where the Fakir is paid alms, even by the poor. here? we step over crazy people wetting themselves on the street and lock them up in prisons. meanwhile, seriously ill meaning individuals are one step away from the ultimate power. it is enough to make you turn your back on America. isn't it?
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Post by busymom on Apr 25, 2024 20:16:30 GMT -5
Its great that people want to get a degree in what they are passionate about as long as they pay their way and if they do get student loans they pay it back and not bitch because of oh how little they earn. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't fail English I just don't give a damn on boards like this. I also could look thru all the posts and pick out several others on here with misspelling and "bad grammar" yet nothing is ever said to those just shows how bias, petty, ugly certain poster can be. I don't want to hear shit about people paying their way when your lord and savior trump hasn't done that a day in his life. Not to mention he's never spent a day in jail. Punishment is only for the "little people", you know.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 25, 2024 20:45:43 GMT -5
So when the guy was 18 he picked a major thinking a four year degree would allow him to support himself and pay back the loan - not realizing that a music degree doesn’t always equal a high paying job. He’s probably paid what he could for years, maybe decades, and probably has nearly as much debt now as he did when he started. I figure if he gets his loans erased, he can put that money back into the economy - buy a house, a new car, clothes, eat out, whatever. If all the lower earning people struggling with that kind of debt suddenly had the freedom to buy things, imagine what a bump it would be to our economy. But no - you want this guy to struggle the rest of his life, hacking away bit by bit at his student loans, until he finally dies and they get erased that way. I think it’s stupid we don’t provide more information to young adults trying to decide whether or not they should take out student loans - they need help calculating what their earning potential might be, and how long it might take to pay those debts off. I bet a lot of them would decide, instead, to go with a trade program, or pick a different major, if they had all the facts. But now that we have a bunch of adults several decades out of college who aren’t earning enough to put a dent in their student loan debt, I have no problem helping them get out from under that particular load. Helps the economy in the long run. Or maybe you should only be getting student loans for decent income generating fields like medical, law, engineering. Teaching degrees can get student loans with a 20 year payback with a forgiveness at the end of they did alot of continuing education. Stuff like the arts and bullshit degrees they should get no loans for. That would help elevate some of this. The whole system needs to have an overhaul I don’t think we should allow people to get certain degrees based on their economic class. However, we need to make sure they know the facts when deciding what they want to take on. When DS went to college, each college in GA had an internet page that showed the average starting salary for graduates from each of their degree programs - I don’t know if that’s just a GA thing, but that should be mandatory. And they need advice on how to keep costs down - finding grants or scholarships, attending a two year college for the first two years, or going to school for 2 semesters and then working full time the third semester (which is what DS did). Make sure they have the info they need to make good choices.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 25, 2024 21:17:17 GMT -5
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Post by teen persuasion on Apr 25, 2024 21:20:35 GMT -5
Hmm, my oldest son has an arts degree, American Craftsman degree I believe it was termed. Furniture design, woodworking. Just something to look at? His first job was with a pipe organ restoration firm - combined both his extensive music background and woodworking and other stuff like electrical. Then he did a year in Americorp in inner city schools - math and especially music. They were thrilled he could also paint murals of Harriet Tubman and other people to inspire the students. Next he worked for a paper custom packaging company, bridging the gap between the print operators and die cutters on the floor and design in the office, building elaborate spreadsheets to track/match materials with appropriate machines, existing dies and forms, etc. Did some model making as needed. Now he's coding. i have always contended that a degree just says "i know how to learn". it doesn't really matter what your degree is in. i had an MSE degree, but i only use it about 10% of my day. the other 90% i could get by with an AS in Math. i happen to think that none of that is what makes me successful, though. it is the fact that i am insatiably curious that makes me successful, imo. if i don't get something, i just keep studying it until i get it. so far, the only nut i have not cracked is people. but i continue trying. i am also quite patient. He originally wanted to be a luthier - someone who creates violins. But no traditional colleges have that program, only specialty schools where there's no financial aid. So that's how he picked the school he went to, they had a woodworking degree, figured it would teach him the techniques, and application was something he could pursue later. His odd employment history is because he throws himself into something, masters it, and then grows bored once he's optimized it and it grows routine. He's always looking for new challenges. Lots of experimentation with 3D printers and making mockups of stuff, especially props/costumes for Comic Con. A fellow art major has done some interesting stuff for movies, with prosthetics and makeup. She has to mass produce prosthetics because actors go thru so many during a project, yet they are custom designed for individuals. My cousin's son is another graduate of the school's art program - he does digital ad animation. Art degree is a really broad field.
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-Three in the category how many have you been to. I really did enjoy the weak dong while on vacation. - I would like to visit those three again I- it is my understanding that at least Vietnam is a place that companies want to move to - all three countries (the ones in Asia which are relatively close together) are way too hot and humid for me to move to. I have done 10 years in the tropics. That is enough to last me several life times. you're different. i like you. edit: you win, with a score of 7. i realized afterwards that i should have scored MINE a 2. i am pretty interested in VN. ever since i saw that Lara Croft movie. amazing architecture and scenery. and i am a sucker for ancient structures. I missed this earlier. The part of the movie you are talking about was filmed in Cambodia, near the Angkor Wat complex. I forgot which temple complex* this was exactly but they are relatively close to each other. Absolutely worth visiting. But take some electrolyte powder to add to your drinking water. I have never been as hot and sweated as much as I did during the days I spend there! *Ta Prohm and it is within the greater Angkor Wat complex . I seem to remember it was separate. Either way - easily reachable from Siem Reap
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 25, 2024 21:48:32 GMT -5
you're different. i like you. edit: you win, with a score of 7. i realized afterwards that i should have scored MINE a 2. i am pretty interested in VN. ever since i saw that Lara Croft movie. amazing architecture and scenery. and i am a sucker for ancient structures. I missed this earlier. The part of the movie you are talking about was filmed in Cambodia, near the Angkor Wat complex. I forgot which temple complex* this was exactly but they are relatively close to each other. Absolutely worth visiting. But take some electrolyte powder to add to your drinking water. I have never been as hot and sweated as much as I did during the days I spend there! *Ta Prohm and it is within the greater Angkor Wat complex . I seem to remember it was separate. Either way - easily reachable from Siem Reap you didn't miss it. i added it. that's right. Cambodia. i remember now. i will PM you if i get super interested. right now, i am still trying to figure out where i am going to live! LOL!
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 25, 2024 21:49:48 GMT -5
i have always contended that a degree just says "i know how to learn". it doesn't really matter what your degree is in. i had an MSE degree, but i only use it about 10% of my day. the other 90% i could get by with an AS in Math. i happen to think that none of that is what makes me successful, though. it is the fact that i am insatiably curious that makes me successful, imo. if i don't get something, i just keep studying it until i get it. so far, the only nut i have not cracked is people. but i continue trying. i am also quite patient. He originally wanted to be a luthier - someone who creates violins. But no traditional colleges have that program, only specialty schools where there's no financial aid. So that's how he picked the school he went to, they had a woodworking degree, figured it would teach him the techniques, and application was something he could pursue later. His odd employment history is because he throws himself into something, masters it, and then grows bored once he's optimized it and it grows routine. He's always looking for new challenges. Lots of experimentation with 3D printers and making mockups of stuff, especially props/costumes for Comic Con. A fellow art major has done some interesting stuff for movies, with prosthetics and makeup. She has to mass produce prosthetics because actors go thru so many during a project, yet they are custom designed for individuals. My cousin's son is another graduate of the school's art program - he does digital ad animation. Art degree is a really broad field. he sounds like a great kid, and my kind of person. congratulations! you must be proud!
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 25, 2024 23:22:11 GMT -5
I missed this earlier. The part of the movie you are talking about was filmed in Cambodia, near the Angkor Wat complex. I forgot which temple complex* this was exactly but they are relatively close to each other. Absolutely worth visiting. But take some electrolyte powder to add to your drinking water. I have never been as hot and sweated as much as I did during the days I spend there! *Ta Prohm and it is within the greater Angkor Wat complex . I seem to remember it was separate. Either way - easily reachable from Siem Reap you didn't miss it. i added it. that's right. Cambodia. i remember now. i will PM you if i get super interested.right now, i am still trying to figure out where i am going to live! LOL! Sure. When you do I'll call in the troops. I have the best, most dedicated, travel agent in the world by virtue of giving birth to him
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Its great that people want to get a degree in what they are passionate about as long as they pay their way and if they do get student loans they pay it back and not bitch because of oh how little they earn. Can't have it both ways. No I didn't fail English I just don't give a damn on boards like this. I also could look thru all the posts and pick out several others on here with misspelling and "bad grammar" yet nothing is ever said to those just shows how bias, petty, ugly certain poster can be. I don't want to hear shit about people paying their way when your lord and savior trump hasn't done that a day in his life.Where do you get lord and savior from? I'm on here several times stating that he has a big mouth and wish he didn't. I just look at the facts and knowing how democrats like to distort them i'm not afraid to call out bullshit. 1+1 = 3 kind of shit that the Dems pull. The vile people that support it justify it in their sick and quite frankly immoral ways.
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Post by scgal on Apr 26, 2024 9:59:21 GMT -5
Or maybe you should only be getting student loans for decent income generating fields like medical, law, engineering. Teaching degrees can get student loans with a 20 year payback with a forgiveness at the end of they did alot of continuing education. Stuff like the arts and bullshit degrees they should get no loans for. That would help elevate some of this. The whole system needs to have an overhaul given how culturally vapid this country is, i could hardly disagree. let's just finish killing off the arts here, once and for all. Sounds good to me. Want an arts degree go overseas. Maybe it will decrease all the worthless shitbags wandering around
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 26, 2024 10:02:29 GMT -5
given how culturally vapid this country is, i could hardly disagree. let's just finish killing off the arts here, once and for all. Sounds good to me. Want an arts degree go overseas. Maybe it will decrease all the worthless shitbags wandering around Bless your Pleasantville heart.
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Post by scgal on Apr 26, 2024 10:04:52 GMT -5
Sounds good to me. Want an arts degree go overseas. Maybe it will decrease all the worthless shitbags wandering around Bless your Pleasantville heart. Well aren't you just a peach sugar
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Bless your Pleasantville heart. Well aren't you just a peach sugar As opposed to you a hater of the arts, honey.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 26, 2024 10:24:37 GMT -5
given how culturally vapid this country is, i could hardly disagree. let's just finish killing off the arts here, once and for all. Sounds good to me. Want an arts degree go overseas. Maybe it will decrease all the worthless shitbags wandering around Remember the saying "takes one to know one"? Seems applicable. Also, I don't have an arts degree but per your morally superior, selfish, elitist attitude, I'm also a worthless shitbag. Of course, anyone who's not conservative is probably a worthless shitbag to you....
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Post by scgal on Apr 26, 2024 10:28:54 GMT -5
Sounds good to me. Want an arts degree go overseas. Maybe it will decrease all the worthless shitbags wandering around Remember the saying "takes one to know one"? Seems applicable. Also, I don't have an arts degree but per your morally superior, selfish, elitist attitude, I'm also a worthless shitbag. Of course, anyone who's not conservative is probably a worthless shitbag to you.... No not all Dems we can just start with the crap of my body my choice fucktards that have their selfish attitudes and kill babies.
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Better to let women bleed out or get septic than to allow an abortion. Or in other terms, Idaho.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 26, 2024 11:12:44 GMT -5
Remember the saying "takes one to know one"? Seems applicable. Also, I don't have an arts degree but per your morally superior, selfish, elitist attitude, I'm also a worthless shitbag. Of course, anyone who's not conservative is probably a worthless shitbag to you.... No not all Dems we can just start with the crap of my body my choice fucktards that have their selfish attitudes and kill babies. It's none of your fucking business what another woman does with her body. Period. End of.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 26, 2024 12:05:46 GMT -5
The only loans that people should pay are the ones that will make billionaires wealthier. Maybe the companies that need those types of people should pay for the schooling of all of them - not through salaries, but through grants or endowments. Leave the art world for people who are beautiful and care about such things. you are one of a handful of posters here that cuts right through about seven layers of soft padding and draws blood. i admire that. this is really it, isn't it? if you are not getting educated in furtherance of the dollar and/or the C Suite, then you should probably just get sterilized, or die, whichever is quicker. you know, in France, there is a tradition of cherishing the eccentric? you can find the same thing in India, where the Fakir is paid alms, even by the poor. here? we step over crazy people wetting themselves on the street and lock them up in prisons. meanwhile, seriously ill meaning individuals are one step away from the ultimate power. it is enough to make you turn your back on America. isn't it? Yikes. To all of that. 🥴
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Post by bean29 on Apr 26, 2024 12:10:40 GMT -5
Remember the saying "takes one to know one"? Seems applicable. Also, I don't have an arts degree but per your morally superior, selfish, elitist attitude, I'm also a worthless shitbag. Of course, anyone who's not conservative is probably a worthless shitbag to you.... No not all Dems we can just start with the crap of my body my choice fucktards that have their selfish attitudes and kill babies. I don't understand why republican's only value the life of the baby. The mother's life has no value to them. I cannot accept that.
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Post by scgal on Apr 26, 2024 12:19:32 GMT -5
No not all Dems we can just start with the crap of my body my choice fucktards that have their selfish attitudes and kill babies. I don't understand why republican's only value the life of the baby. The mother's life has no value to them. I cannot accept that. Sure she has value if she wants to be a mother if she chooses to abort then she might as well commit suicide and rid the world of her selfish ways. I'm getting harsh here gonna not reply to anymore of this.
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What if we only abort the babies that want art degrees?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 26, 2024 15:30:16 GMT -5
you are one of a handful of posters here that cuts right through about seven layers of soft padding and draws blood. i admire that. this is really it, isn't it? if you are not getting educated in furtherance of the dollar and/or the C Suite, then you should probably just get sterilized, or die, whichever is quicker. you know, in France, there is a tradition of cherishing the eccentric? you can find the same thing in India, where the Fakir is paid alms, even by the poor. here? we step over crazy people wetting themselves on the street and lock them up in prisons. meanwhile, seriously ill meaning individuals are one step away from the ultimate power. it is enough to make you turn your back on America. isn't it? Yikes. To all of that. 🥴 just extrapolating your point. i hope i didn't offend you.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 26, 2024 15:58:14 GMT -5
No not all Dems we can just start with the crap of my body my choice fucktards that have their selfish attitudes and kill babies. I don't understand why republican's only value the life of the baby. The mother's life has no value to them. I cannot accept that. Plenty of republicans are pro-choice.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 26, 2024 17:03:15 GMT -5
just extrapolating your point. i hope i didn't offend you. Oh gosh no….
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