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Post by NastyWoman on May 5, 2024 16:01:56 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what things will have to happen to reshape the country the way it was "intended to be"? What needs to be implemented and what needs to be ended. No brown people, but the black people can stay and we will make them slaves - legal to beat and rape them. As for women - no agency whatsoever. No jobs, no votes, no rights. I’m pretty sure that was the original intention. As long as they stay away from my microwave and dishwasher
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2024 18:08:29 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what things will have to happen to reshape the country the way it was "intended to be"? What needs to be implemented and what needs to be ended. No brown people, but the black people can stay and we will make them slaves - legal to beat and rape them. As for women - no agency whatsoever. No jobs, no votes, no rights. I’m pretty sure that was the original intention. back when America was "great"...... (note to the board- i have often reflected on what Trump or his many followers mean when they say this. America was not viewed as great in 1800. it was viewed as a remote outpost, far from the centers of wealth and power in Europe. as time went on, we gained power, particularly having saved all but a glancing blow in WW1/WW2 compared to the dominant powers at the time, emerging arguably one of several major world powers. and that is where we remain today- arguably the LAST Superpower. viewed through this lens, we have never been "greater". we are not Denmark, being shrunk to the size of Connecticut, or even the UK, just a shell of it's former self. we are astride the world. so, i think what Trump means is "make America even more gargantuan than it is", which is FINE. i just wish he didn't phrase it in the nativist and nostalgic way he does)
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Post by billisonboard on May 5, 2024 19:02:17 GMT -5
No brown people, but the black people can stay and we will make them slaves - legal to beat and rape them. As for women - no agency whatsoever. No jobs, no votes, no rights. I’m pretty sure that was the original intention. back when America was "great"...... (note to the board- i have often reflected on what Trump or his many followers mean when they say this. America was not viewed as great in 1800. it was viewed as a remote outpost, far from the centers of wealth and power in Europe. as time went on, we gained power, particularly having saved all but a glancing blow in WW1/WW2 compared to the dominant powers at the time, emerging arguably one of several major world powers. and that is where we remain today- arguably the LAST Superpower. viewed through this lens, we have never been "greater". we are not Denmark, being shrunk to the size of Connecticut, or even the UK, just a shell of it's former self. we are astride the world. so, i think what Trump means is "make America even more gargantuan than it is", which is FINE. i just wish he didn't phrase it in the nativist and nostalgic way he does) I see the lessening of our economic and proxy political control of third world countries as significant. An example is that back when America was "great", the CIA installed pro-US governments when what Venezuela has been doing the past few years happened. How it plays out in Trump’s mind: 'We're keeping the oil' in Syria, Trump says, but it's considered a war crime"We should be able to take some also, and what I intend to do, perhaps, is make a deal with an ExxonMobil or one of our great companies to go in there and do it properly," he added. War crime? Hell no, we took it fair and square. America #1.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2024 19:21:35 GMT -5
i was guessing about Denmark. it is actually closer to the size of Massachusetts. i have never been to Denmark, or i would know better.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2024 19:26:57 GMT -5
George Conway, who is admittedly a blowhard, thinks there is a 100% chance he will be convicted.
it is not a good idea to dismiss him entirely. he has a legal background, i believe. unlike most people who make predictions about Trump skating.
i think he has a 75% chance of being convicted this year, and that his case will be on appeal in November. i think the chances of a second trial starting before November are higher than that. in other words, i think he will be fighting a headwind all the way through 2024. i think his appeals will likely be following him until he dies. not kidding on that. he will be in courts for the rest of his life. this is what his life has become. he is OJ Simpson on steroids. utterly irresponsible, entitled and reckless.
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Post by tallguy on May 5, 2024 19:33:23 GMT -5
Conservatives' view of "society" and others seems to be analogous to Trump's view of virtually everybody else including other countries. "I/We are right. I/We are better. I/We are important. You're not. Your best and highest use to the world is to serve (read: be exploited by) us and our interests. You should not only accept it but be happy about it, because you could never rise as high on your own. Either be us, or be subservient to us, and if you don't want to do that, we'll destroy you." Nah, I think I'll pass on that one, guys.
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Post by scgal on May 6, 2024 7:38:10 GMT -5
I will leave it up to the courts that's doesn't mean I think he should even be there. All this is a sham just to stop him from becoming president again. I read your post of globalism I find all that kum by ya stuff sickening. you have asserted otherwise, previously. even on this thread. you have stated it makes him MORE likely to become president. and that might be true. i might also point out that this would require far more coordination among democrats than they have. they are not as clever or powerful as that, scgal . in fact, they are a bunch of kutzs. globalism is not kum-bay-yah for me. it is a logical conclusion. we have global problems. there are only two ways to solve them: 1) take over everything 2) work with others. agree or disagree? List 3 global problems before I answer
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 6, 2024 10:12:12 GMT -5
you have asserted otherwise, previously. even on this thread. you have stated it makes him MORE likely to become president. and that might be true. i might also point out that this would require far more coordination among democrats than they have. they are not as clever or powerful as that, scgal . in fact, they are a bunch of kutzs. globalism is not kum-bay-yah for me. it is a logical conclusion. we have global problems. there are only two ways to solve them: 1) take over everything 2) work with others. agree or disagree? List 3 global problems before I answer Do you even read the news? How can you be so uninformed? Just off the top of my head, the war in Ukraine, Israel-Hamas, China’ claim to the South China Sea, North Korea, global warming(which I know you believe to be a hoax, and nuclear proliferation. That is without even trying
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 6, 2024 10:57:56 GMT -5
List 3 global problems before I answer Do you even read the news? How can you be so uninformed? Just off the top of my head, the war in Ukraine, Israel-Hamas, China’ claim to the South China Sea, North Korea, global warming(which I know you believe to be a hoax, and nuclear proliferation. That is without even trying The next global pandemic, deforestation, human trafficking
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Post by billisonboard on May 6, 2024 13:18:02 GMT -5
List 3 global problems before I answer Do you even read the news? How can you be so uninformed? Just off the top of my head, the war in Ukraine, Israel-Hamas, China’ claim to the South China Sea, North Korea, global warming(which I know you believe to be a hoax, and nuclear proliferation. That is without even trying I would agree the last two are unquestionably global issues. I think the others are easily arguable as regional.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 6, 2024 13:42:01 GMT -5
Do you even read the news? How can you be so uninformed? Just off the top of my head, the war in Ukraine, Israel-Hamas, China’ claim to the South China Sea, North Korea, global warming(which I know you believe to be a hoax, and nuclear proliferation. That is without even trying I would agree the last two are unquestionably global issues. I think the others are easily arguable as regional. Except regional issues can become worldwide when we turn our back on them. Happened with WW2
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Post by billisonboard on May 6, 2024 13:57:00 GMT -5
I would agree the last two are unquestionably global issues. I think the others are easily arguable as regional. Except regional issues can become worldwide when we turn our back on them. Happened with WW2 The topic was global issues requiring full global participation for solutions.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2024 14:19:04 GMT -5
you have asserted otherwise, previously. even on this thread. you have stated it makes him MORE likely to become president. and that might be true. i might also point out that this would require far more coordination among democrats than they have. they are not as clever or powerful as that, scgal . in fact, they are a bunch of kutzs. globalism is not kum-bay-yah for me. it is a logical conclusion. we have global problems. there are only two ways to solve them: 1) take over everything 2) work with others. agree or disagree? List 3 global problems before I answer i listed two of them already: ICBM's and climate related matters (IE, CO2 emissions). there are literally dozens of other ones i could give you, but a few include immigration/migration, poverty and disease control, water and food scarcity, and human rights issues.
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Post by swamp on May 6, 2024 14:19:56 GMT -5
No brown people, but the black people can stay and we will make them slaves - legal to beat and rape them. As for women - no agency whatsoever. No jobs, no votes, no rights. I’m pretty sure that was the original intention. back when America was "great"...... (note to the board- i have often reflected on what Trump or his many followers mean when they say this. America was not viewed as great in 1800. it was viewed as a remote outpost, far from the centers of wealth and power in Europe. as time went on, we gained power, particularly having saved all but a glancing blow in WW1/WW2 compared to the dominant powers at the time, emerging arguably one of several major world powers. and that is where we remain today- arguably the LAST Superpower. viewed through this lens, we have never been "greater". we are not Denmark, being shrunk to the size of Connecticut, or even the UK, just a shell of it's former self. we are astride the world. so, i think what Trump means is "make America even more gargantuan than it is", which is FINE. i just wish he didn't phrase it in the nativist and nostalgic way he does) I think you're being far too charitable. I think he really wants to go back to when women and people of color knew their place and the white man reigned supreme.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2024 14:23:54 GMT -5
back when America was "great"...... (note to the board- i have often reflected on what Trump or his many followers mean when they say this. America was not viewed as great in 1800. it was viewed as a remote outpost, far from the centers of wealth and power in Europe. as time went on, we gained power, particularly having saved all but a glancing blow in WW1/WW2 compared to the dominant powers at the time, emerging arguably one of several major world powers. and that is where we remain today- arguably the LAST Superpower. viewed through this lens, we have never been "greater". we are not Denmark, being shrunk to the size of Connecticut, or even the UK, just a shell of it's former self. we are astride the world. so, i think what Trump means is "make America even more gargantuan than it is", which is FINE. i just wish he didn't phrase it in the nativist and nostalgic way he does) I think you're being far too charitable. I think he really wants to go back to when women and people of color knew their place and the white man reigned supreme. that was a long-winded way of me saying this: "when was America greater?" has anyone ever asked him that? i mean, i don't see anything wrong with the question. it has an implicit claim that we are currently great (which i think is true), and directs Trump to articulate what he thinks is BETTER.
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Post by swamp on May 6, 2024 14:26:43 GMT -5
I agree that someone should ask him.
However, however he answers will be a bunch of bullshit.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2024 14:28:08 GMT -5
i think it would be GREAT for someone with a HISTORY background to ask him that question, and then point out all the crap that was wrong with the WHEN he gives them as an answer.
and if he doesn't answer, then we can assume he agrees that America has never been better, which renders his catchphrase ridiculous.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2024 14:29:26 GMT -5
I agree that someone should ask him. However, however he answers will be a bunch of bullshit. see above post. i agree that he would not say something like "1957", which is an acceptable answer. he should say not only WHEN but WHY. and that, i would agree, is out of the question. there is no why to his nonsense. i doubt there is a when, either.
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Post by thyme4change on May 6, 2024 15:27:11 GMT -5
I think he would pick the 80’s - under Regan. That hits the heart for capitalism, racism, sexism and nostalgia. If he is trying to get people younger than that it has lore, and their parents probably spoke of it fondly consistently throughout their childhood. This would work on conservatives and conservative leaning independents.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2024 15:33:14 GMT -5
I think he would pick the 80’s - under Reagan. That hits the heart for capitalism, racism, sexism and nostalgia. If he is trying to get people younger than that it has lore, and their parents probably spoke of it fondly consistently throughout their childhood. This would work on conservatives and conservative leaning independents. that is arguably better than now. but it is not arguably better than before Trump, by any measure you can name. this is what i mean about this argument. it eventually ends up at "where do we want to go?" i think it is a good debate to have. but nobody even talks about it.
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Post by scgal on May 6, 2024 15:38:38 GMT -5
I think he would pick the 80’s - under Regan. That hits the heart for capitalism, racism, sexism and nostalgia. If he is trying to get people younger than that it has lore, and their parents probably spoke of it fondly consistently throughout their childhood. This would work on conservatives and conservative leaning independents. The 80s was awesome. The whole country must have thought so too look how he won his second term.
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Post by scgal on May 6, 2024 15:42:18 GMT -5
List 3 global problems before I answer i listed two of them already: ICBM's and climate related matters (IE, CO2 emissions). there are literally dozens of other ones i could give you, but a few include immigration/migration, poverty and disease control, water and food scarcity, and human rights issues. Everything except the exaggeration of climate change are all non global and fairly local to the country
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Post by billisonboard on May 6, 2024 16:00:42 GMT -5
i listed two of them already: ICBM's and climate related matters (IE, CO2 emissions). there are literally dozens of other ones i could give you, but a few include immigration/migration, poverty and disease control, water and food scarcity, and human rights issues. Everything except the exaggeration of climate change are all non global and fairly local to the country Here is an easy one. With the ease of world travel, disease control is global.
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Post by scgal on May 6, 2024 16:05:19 GMT -5
Everything except the exaggeration of climate change are all non global and fairly local to the country Here is an easy one. With the ease of world travel, disease control is global. Yet still it is an issue that a country does individually. Look at COVID everyone had their own rules. No need for a kum by ya jerkoff fest
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Post by dondubble on May 6, 2024 16:07:41 GMT -5
I think he would pick the 80’s - under Regan. That hits the heart for capitalism, racism, sexism and nostalgia. If he is trying to get people younger than that it has lore, and their parents probably spoke of it fondly consistently throughout their childhood. This would work on conservatives and conservative leaning independents. The 80s was awesome. The whole country must have thought so too look how he won his second term. The mortgage rates were 12.5% in July 1985. There is much whining now about 7. Reagan tripled the national debt while pretending to be fiscally responsible. He presided over Iran~Contra and all the criminality that entailed, including tons of cocaine. AIDS. Crack. Just an all around wonderful time.
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Post by billisonboard on May 6, 2024 16:08:40 GMT -5
Here is an easy one. With the ease of world travel, disease control is global. Yet still it is an issue that a country does individually. Look at COVID everyone had their own rules. No need for a kum by ya jerkoff fest Measles ia a better non-emotional example of a global disease issue.
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Here we go again. If we win the presidential election, the election was fair. If we lose the presidential election, the election was fixed. Tim Scott's Answer to Question on Accepting Election Results Met With Alarm
Senator Tim Scott's response to a question about whether he would accept the results of the 2024 presidential election regardless of which party wins has raised eyebrows on social media on Sunday. Former President Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican 2024 presidential nominee, has repeatedly said the 2020 election was stolen from him via widespread voter fraud despite those claims not being proven by substantial evidence. On Wednesday, Trump said in an interview with the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel that he believes he won Wisconsin in 2020, despite there being no evidence of this. President Joe Biden won the state by more than 20,000 votes. Scott, a South Carolina Republican who has been floated as a potential vice presidential candidate for Trump, was pressed about Trump's election fraud claims during an interview on NBC News' Meet the Press on Sunday morning. Host Kristen Welker specifically asked if he would commit to accepting the 2024 election results, regardless of which party wins. Notably, Scott voted to certify the 2020 presidential results and has previously said he does not believe the election was stolen. "Will you commit to accepting the election results of 2024, bottom line?" Welker asked the senator. "At the end of the day, the 47th president of the United States will be President Donald Trump. I'm excited to get back to lowering inflation, lower unemployment—," Scott said. Welker then interjected, asking him if he will accept the results "no matter who wins." "That is my statement," Scott said. Rest of article here: Tim Scott's Answer to Question on Accepting Election Results Met With Alarm
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 6, 2024 17:12:03 GMT -5
Republicans no longer care about rules, laws, fairness, or anything else than power. How anyone “smart” enough to get elected to Congress can spew this nonsense is mind-boggling. We have had elections for over 200 years, and people accepted the results. But because the republicans nominated and elected a narcissistic criminal baby, any election they do not win was rigged. How can they say it with a straight face. And how stupid can the Republican base be that they actually believe this?
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Trump’s bombardment of dishonesty: Fact-checking 32 of his false claims to TimeFormer President Donald Trump delivered a bombardment of dishonesty in his interviews with Time magazine. Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, made at least 32 false claims in the two April interviews that Time released this week. His serial inaccuracy spanned a wide range of subjects, including the economy, abortion, the NATO military alliance, the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, his legal cases, his record as president and the 2020 election he has relentlessly lied about for more than three years. Trump’s record as president Terrorism during Trump’s presidencyTrump claimed that, during his presidency, “there was very little terrorism. We had none. I had four years of — we had no terrorism. We didn’t have a World Trade Center knocked down.” Facts First: While it’s true, of course, that Trump’s presidency didn’t feature anything comparable to the 2001 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, his claim that “we had no terrorism” isn’t true. There were a variety of terrorist attacks on the US during his term. Trump’s own Justice Department alleged that a mass murder in New York City in 2017, which killed eight people and injured others, was a terrorist attack carried out in support of ISIS; Trump repeatedly lamented this attack during his presidency. Trump’s Justice Department also alleged that a 2019 attack by an extremist member of Saudi Arabia’s military, which killed three US servicemembers and injured others at a military base in Florida, “was motivated by jihadist ideology” and was carried out by a longtime “associate” of al Qaeda. There were various additional terrorist attacks during Trump’s presidency. Notably, Trump’s Justice Department said it was a “domestic terrorist attack” when one of Trump’s supporters mailed improvised explosive devices to CNN, prominent Democratic officials and other people in 2018. In 2019, a White supremacist pleaded guilty to multiple charges in New York, including first-degree murder in furtherance of an act of terrorism, for killing a Black man in March 2017 to try to start a race war. And Trump’s Justice Department described a 2019 shooting massacre at a Walmart in Texas as an act of domestic terrorism; the gunman who killed 23 people was targeting Latinos. The rest of trump's usual dishonesty here: Trump’s bombardment of dishonesty: Fact-checking 32 of his false claims to Time
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 6, 2024 17:32:32 GMT -5
Trump does win the award for the largest, non war related death toll since the Spanish flu. But that is what he likes to call “fake news”. But at least there weren’t any large scale terrorist attacks. Yeah for us!
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