The Official 2024 Presidential Thread

[Opti]

I have to stop clicking on articles about Trump.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-praises-men-for-allowing-their-wives-to-attend-maga-rallies-without-them/ar-AA1pRryu?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=e956b513c5f24a8ab02bffbcf5709d11&ei=12

Trump praises men for ‘allowing’ their wives to attend MAGA rallies without them
Story by Alex Woodward • 1h • 2 min read

While his polling with women begins to sink, Donald Trump praised his supporters’s husbands for “allowing” their wives to attend his campaign rallies without them.

“Somebody said, ‘Women don’t like Donald Trump,’” he said from a rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania on August 30.

He pointed to a group of women from North Carolina who have traveled to 227 rallies.

“They’re wealthy as hell. Look at them. They’ve got nothing but cash,” he added. “Their husbands are great. But they allow them to go all over the country.

Anyone else see this? Time to click on articles on dogs and sales while getting ready for the next part of my day.

[happyhoix]

Hmmm.

Jack Smith indicated in his latest filing that he has documents that only the grand jury has seen. He plans to submit them.

www.rawstory.com/kirchner-jack-smith/

Several months ago he said he knew what Trump was planning to do with the stolen classified documents and had the proof to back it up.


There are also some people he said lied to the Jan 6 congressional committee and he had evidence of that as well.

It will be interesting to see if this becomes a September or October surprise.

Trump’s team has been piling on attempts to push this back past the election, so they must be worried about what he plans to reveal.

[billisonboard]

Sept 2, 2024 11:12:51 GMT -5 Opti said:

I have to stop clicking on articles about Trump.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-praises-men-for-allowing-their-wives-to-attend-maga-rallies-without-them/ar-AA1pRryu?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=e956b513c5f24a8ab02bffbcf5709d11&ei=12

Trump praises men for ‘allowing’ their wives to attend MAGA rallies without them
Story by Alex Woodward • 1h • 2 min read

While his polling with women begins to sink, Donald Trump praised his supporters’s husbands for “allowing” their wives to attend his campaign rallies without them.

“Somebody said, ‘Women don’t like Donald Trump,’” he said from a rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania on August 30.

He pointed to a group of women from North Carolina who have traveled to 227 rallies.

“They’re wealthy as hell. Look at them. They’ve got nothing but cash,” he added. “Their husbands are great. But they allow them to go all over the country.

Anyone else see this? Time to click on articles on dogs and sales while getting ready for the next part of my day.

Just like he is a great husband and allows Melania to not go all over the country with him. 

[mollyc]

Conservatives are so weird. They can show a representation of Joe Biden’s penis but they have to make a weird pose to hide Kamala Harris’ breasts.

I don’t know if it’s the weird prudishness they have or if they are trying to insult Joe Biden but not get their base excited about Kamala Harris.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 2, 2024 11:14:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Hmmm.

Jack Smith indicated in his latest filing that he has documents that only the grand jury has seen. He plans to submit them.

www.rawstory.com/kirchner-jack-smith/

Several months ago he said he knew what Trump was planning to do with the stolen classified documents and had the proof to back it up.


There are also some people he said lied to the Jan 6 congressional committee and he had evidence of that as well.

It will be interesting to see if this becomes a September or October surprise.

Trump’s team has been piling on attempts to push this back past the election, so they must be worried about what he plans to reveal.

this could be devastating.  it is basically going to try the case in public if Chutkin agrees.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 2, 2024 12:32:03 GMT -5 mollyc said:

Conservatives are so weird. They can show a representation of Joe Biden’s penis but they have to make a weird pose to hide Kamala Harris’ breasts.

I don’t know if it’s the weird prudishness they have or if they are trying to insult Joe Biden but not get their base excited about Kamala Harris.

the flaming sword and wings?
my lord.
utterly sick.

[Opti]

Sept 2, 2024 13:51:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 2, 2024 12:32:03 GMT -5 mollyc said:

Conservatives are so weird. They can show a representation of Joe Biden’s penis but they have to make a weird pose to hide Kamala Harris’ breasts.

I don’t know if it’s the weird prudishness they have or if they are trying to insult Joe Biden but not get their base excited about Kamala Harris.

the flaming sword and wings?
my lord.
utterly sick.

It makes Trump happy even though I can tell there is no way he could hold a sword like that flaming or not unless it was hollow and made of plastic. I do not trust the artist one bit given when she came and where she came from (2012). She says she is not political and allegedly also does portraits of animals with cigars. Other websites you can see she's been painting with Trump as a subject probably at least a decade. 

It makes me think of this RW character dog whistle -

[happyhoix]

Sept 2, 2024 14:47:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

Sept 2, 2024 13:51:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the flaming sword and wings?
my lord.
utterly sick.

It makes Trump happy even though I can tell there is no way he could hold a sword like that flaming or not unless it was hollow and made of plastic. I do not trust the artist one bit given when she came and where she came from (2012). She says she is not political and allegedly also does portraits of animals with cigars. Other websites you can see she's been painting with Trump as a subject probably at least a decade. 

It makes me think of this RW character dog whistle -

She probably isn’t political but she knows what side her toast is buttered in.

I paint. Not very well. Mostly landscapes. They will never earn any money. No one wants them. This Russian emigrant, however, paints a bunch of fantastical portraits of Trump - knowing there’s ton of MAGA supporters who will snap up these canvases like Elvis painted on black velvet.

I bet she sets up a tent at all the Trump rallies and sells out of those monstrosities.

[Opti]

Sept 2, 2024 15:09:00 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 2, 2024 14:47:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

It makes Trump happy even though I can tell there is no way he could hold a sword like that flaming or not unless it was hollow and made of plastic. I do not trust the artist one bit given when she came and where she came from (2012). She says she is not political and allegedly also does portraits of animals with cigars. Other websites you can see she's been painting with Trump as a subject probably at least a decade. 

It makes me think of this RW character dog whistle -

She probably isn’t political but she knows what side her toast is buttered in.

I paint. Not very well. Mostly landscapes. They will never earn any money. No one wants them. This Russian emigrant, however, paints a bunch of fantastical portraits of Trump - knowing there’s ton of MAGA supporters who will snap up these canvases like Elvis painted on black velvet.

I bet she sets up a tent at all the Trump rallies and sells out of those monstrosities.

Perhaps, but that does not feel like the answer to me.


first-draft.com/2021/11/22/malaka-of-the-week-lena-ruseva/

What is it with Russian emigres and former President* Pennywise? I realize that Russians like strong men, but Trump only plays one on television. In real life, he’s a . He should grab himself.



Before boarding the Trump Crazy Train, Malaka Ruseva specialized in animals smoking cigars. I am not making this up. Here’s an example of what she calls her smoking beasts collection:

[happyhoix]

Trump is pissed Harris is ignoring his shit talk - so his new strategy is to drag her through the mud.

dailyboulder.com/trump-increasingly-irked-by-harris-ignoring-personal-attacks-now-he-plans-to-drag-her-through-the-mud-to-turn-voters-against-her-trump-adviser/

His most winning tactic would been to push hard on inflation and immigration, but he thinks he’s the smartest person in the room, so he’ll keep trash talking her.

I think people are mostly tired of that bully bullshit. But by all means, he should continue bitching about that, and also sharks, windmills, bacon, and who is Fidel Castro’s son. Harris needs to really win big to keep the MAGA idiots from attacking federal buildings again.

[Opti]

I just want Harris/Walz to win. Preferably by a decent margin, but a win will be a win.

Some white guys do feel entitled to trash talk about women they don't approve of. She is smart to pretend he isn't there, because he's not really focused anyway. He is all about trashing others and getting butt hurt if they return the favor. I am enjoying his implosion but its still not good for me to read too much about what he is doing.

Or maybe I should just think about those "Freedom cities" and flying cars.

[djAdvocate]

i just heard that a Republican group is trying to disqualify Harris based on their interpretation of natural born citizen (14th amendment) to NOT mean jus soli.

i have heard this argument before. in fact i think that at least one member of this board has expressed it.

this will probably require a separate thread.

[Opti]

Sept 2, 2024 22:56:47 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i just heard that a Republican group is trying to disqualify Harris based on their interpretation of natural born citizen (14th amendment) to NOT mean jus soli.

i have heard this argument before. in fact i think that at least one member of this board has expressed it.

this will probably require a separate thread.

I did not know the below-

Kamala Harris's parents arrived in the United States from Jamaica and India in 1961 and 1960 respectively1. Neither parent was a legal resident for 5 years prior to Harris’s birth, which is a requirement for naturalization1. Therefore, at the time of her birth, she was the daughter of non-citizens2.

I hope that does not become a problem except for the MAGA faithful. 

[billisonboard]

I think it would be extra difficult for the Supreme Court to overrule Congress's recognition of the Electoral College vote that declared her eligible in 2020.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 2, 2024 23:15:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

Sept 2, 2024 22:56:47 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i just heard that a Republican group is trying to disqualify Harris based on their interpretation of natural born citizen (14th amendment) to NOT mean jus soli.

i have heard this argument before. in fact i think that at least one member of this board has expressed it.

this will probably require a separate thread.

I did not know the below-

Kamala Harris's parents arrived in the United States from Jamaica and India in 1961 and 1960 respectively1. Neither parent was a legal resident for 5 years prior to Harris’s birth, which is a requirement for naturalization1. Therefore, at the time of her birth, she was the daughter of non-citizens2.

I hope that does not become a problem except for the MAGA faithful. 

she was born in Oakland.  according to jus soli citizenship, she is a citizen by birthright.  naturalized citizens are not eligible to become president.  it is why Schwarzenegger and Musk can't run.

[djAdvocate]

the opposite argument was made for Obama. they argued that he was NOT born in the US. that is a tacit admission that if he WERE born in the US, that this would not be an issue.

of course, the fact that his mother was a citizen would have meant that it didn't matter WHERE he was born. something that the birthers conveniently overlook.

[Opti]

Sept 2, 2024 23:38:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 2, 2024 23:15:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

I did not know the below-

Kamala Harris's parents arrived in the United States from Jamaica and India in 1961 and 1960 respectively1. Neither parent was a legal resident for 5 years prior to Harris’s birth, which is a requirement for naturalization1. Therefore, at the time of her birth, she was the daughter of non-citizens2.

I hope that does not become a problem except for the MAGA faithful. 

she was born in Oakland.  according to jus soli citizenship, she is a citizen by birthright.  naturalized citizens are not eligible to become president.  it is why Schwarzenegger and Musk can't run.

I knew she was born in Oakland. I did not realize though that neither parent was naturalized at the time. 

[djAdvocate]

Sept 2, 2024 23:45:42 GMT -5 Opti said:

Sept 2, 2024 23:38:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

she was born in Oakland.  according to jus soli citizenship, she is a citizen by birthright.  naturalized citizens are not eligible to become president.  it is why Schwarzenegger and Musk can't run.

I knew she was born in Oakland. I did not realize though that neither parent was naturalized at the time. 

did you realize that it doesn't matter?  

[djAdvocate]

it would be very interesting for the SCOTUS to take this issue up NOW, given all that has happened in the last (160) years. but i would not put it past THIS court.

[Opti]

Sept 2, 2024 23:49:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 2, 2024 23:45:42 GMT -5 Opti said:

I knew she was born in Oakland. I did not realize though that neither parent was naturalized at the time. 

did you realize that it doesn't matter?  

Yes, but that's what the MAGAs will talk about.

[tallguy]

Sept 2, 2024 22:56:47 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i just heard that a Republican group is trying to disqualify Harris based on their interpretation of natural born citizen (14th amendment) to NOT mean jus soli.

i have heard this argument before. in fact i think that at least one member of this board has expressed it.

this will probably require a separate thread.

Who would that be?  If you are thinking about me I would suggest that my position is perhaps a little bit more nuanced.  If it is someone else, then...never mind.    

[happyhoix]

Sept 2, 2024 23:38:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 2, 2024 23:15:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

I did not know the below-

Kamala Harris's parents arrived in the United States from Jamaica and India in 1961 and 1960 respectively1. Neither parent was a legal resident for 5 years prior to Harris’s birth, which is a requirement for naturalization1. Therefore, at the time of her birth, she was the daughter of non-citizens2.

I hope that does not become a problem except for the MAGA faithful. 

she was born in Oakland.  according to jus soli citizenship, she is a citizen by birthright.  naturalized citizens are not eligible to become president.  it is why Schwarzenegger and Musk can't run.

Thank God Elon can’t run. 

He’s pushing the idea that the country should be run by only high T Alpha males. 

That’s what we need, a bunch of Musk and Trump asshats running everything. 

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-trump-x-views-b2605907.html

[Tennesseer]

The Borowitz Report

RFK Jr. Makes Turducken with Bear, Whale, and Worm

KENOSHA, WI (The Borowitz Report)—Robert F. Kennedy Jr. raised eyebrows at a Trump rally on Tuesday by sharing a recipe for turducken using a bear, a whale, and a worm.

“I know that Thanksgiving is still a few months away,” Kennedy told a confused MAGA crowd. “But it’s not too early to start scavenging for a dead bear and whale head, and checking to see if you have a worm in your brain.”

As Kennedy outlined the preparations for the unusual delicacy, Donald J. Trump could be seen offstage making a frantic throat-slitting gesture to aides.

Kennedy was absent from the next campaign stop, having been shoved from Trump’s limo and left on the side of the highway.

RFK Jr. Makes Turducken with Bear, Whale, and Worm

[scgal]

Sept 2, 2024 23:53:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it would be very interesting for the SCOTUS to take this issue up NOW, given all that has happened in the last (160) years. but i would not put it past THIS court.

Oh it would be great if they ruled she couldn't run.

[busymom]

Sept 3, 2024 7:37:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 2, 2024 23:53:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it would be very interesting for the SCOTUS to take this issue up NOW, given all that has happened in the last (160) years. but i would not put it past THIS court.

Oh it would be great if they ruled she couldn't run.

     Then you'd get Walz, and he doesn't take sh*t from anyone.  Either Harris or Walz works for me. That's the advantage of picking a strong VP.  Trump should be taking notes on the selection process.  

[Tennesseer]

Sept 3, 2024 7:37:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 2, 2024 23:53:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it would be very interesting for the SCOTUS to take this issue up NOW, given all that has happened in the last (160) years. but i would not put it past THIS court.

Oh it would be great if they ruled she couldn't run.

donald trump's mother was born in Scotland and was not a natural born U.S. citizen. Good for Harris? Then good for trump.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 3, 2024 7:37:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 2, 2024 23:53:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it would be very interesting for the SCOTUS to take this issue up NOW, given all that has happened in the last (160) years. but i would not put it past THIS court.

Oh it would be great if they ruled she couldn't run.

She was born here. She is a natural born US citizen. What else does she need to be qualified to run? You think an insurrectionist felon is qualified. This pales in comparison

[scgal]

Sept 3, 2024 10:01:52 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 3, 2024 7:37:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oh it would be great if they ruled she couldn't run.

She was born here. She is a natural born US citizen. What else does she need to be qualified to run? You think an insurrectionist felon is qualified. This pales in comparison

blah blah blah false insurrectionist crap. I said before Trump with all his faults is still better than anyone the Dems could put fourth. I didn't say she wasn't legal to run I said it would be great if she couldn't

[scgal]

Sept 3, 2024 8:11:10 GMT -5 busymom said:

Sept 3, 2024 7:37:17 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oh it would be great if they ruled she couldn't run.

     Then you'd get Walz, and he doesn't take sh*t from anyone.  Either Harris or Walz works for me. That's the advantage of picking a strong VP.  Trump should be taking notes on the selection process.  

Walz is a turd. Infact anything in blue is no good. Hell I would take crazy Marg over Walz. 

[tallguy]

Many factors determine how people participate in their civil rights and what political parties they support. Foremost among these is, by a wide margin, family — specifically the parents who might shape the ideological beliefs of their children during their formative years either directly (e.g., through political discussion) or indirectly (e.g., through modeling). Then you have things like gender, religion, race and ethnicity.

However, a new study would like to point out an often-overlooked factor in this discussion, one that goes beyond upbringing. Researchers have found that both IQ scores and genetic markers associated with intelligence can have a significant role in shaping our political affiliations. The researchers at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities found that “intelligence is correlated with a range of left-wing and liberal political beliefs.

“Polygenic scores predicted social liberalism and lower authoritarianism, within-families. Intelligence was able to significantly predict social liberalism and lower authoritarianism, within families, even after controlling for socioeconomic variables. Our findings may provide the strongest causal inference to date of intelligence directly affecting political beliefs,” the researchers wrote in the journal Intelligence.

Researchers have proposed various theories about how political beliefs and intelligence interact. For instance, some studies suggest that individuals with conservative ideologies might, on average, have lower intelligence. Conservatives generally value tradition, respect for authority, and social order, and tend to be skeptical of innovation and change. Meanwhile, liberals typically prioritize values such as equality, social justice, and the protection of civil liberties. They are often more open to change and innovation.

These studies argue that the conservative emphasis on maintaining the status quo could reflect cognitive inflexibility, making such ideologies more attractive to those who struggle with intellectual challenges, especially those involving new information. Some evidence indicates that people holding more conservative views typically achieve lower scores on IQ tests and possess lower educational levels.

Other research has produced different views. German-British psychologist Hans Eysenck proposed a theory suggesting that people with higher intelligence tend to avoid extreme political ideologies. According to this theory, smarter individuals are likely to hold moderate or centrist political views. The reasoning behind this is that both right-wing and left-wing extremes are often linked with dogmatism and rigidity, traits that supposedly attract less intelligent people.

People with a higher IQ and favorable genes for intelligence are more likely to be liberal

This might be a good subject for its own thread, but for right now I can't think of a better place to put it.