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Post by billisonboard on Jul 26, 2024 14:24:28 GMT -5
My personal intial thought is that our first openly non-heterosexual individual on a major party ticket needs to be for the presidency, having gained the position through a primary selection process and not an appointed VP candidate. Americans should show directly, "We are ready." Like I say, initial thought. Would love to hear counter argument if someone has one. I am open to hear it. (Buttigieg seems to be a very qualified individual to be that person. ) VPs are always chosen, so all this as a choice does is give him the experience for President (which really isn't a bad thing). When/If he does run for President, he will still have to go through the vetting process and still go through a primary. The only difference is that he is a known commodity. When he was one of the runners in the primary election in 2020 that chose Biden, he was not well known. You skipped a step. If he is chosen, and the ticket wins, it would give him experience. This year has a lot of interesting subplots. If the Democratic ticket loses, it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to clearly identify the reasons. Tossing in the question of was it a lack of readiness by American voters to accept a gay man would be unfair in the face of all the other issues. That is for this crazy year. In a more normal year, maybe, but gut still says no. Our first non-white elected executive branch officer was a direct choice. Think it best in this case also.
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My personal intial thought is that our first openly non-heterosexual individual on a major party ticket needs to be for the presidency, having gained the position through a primary selection process and not an appointed VP candidate. Americans should show directly, "We are ready." Like I say, initial thought. Would love to hear counter argument if someone has one. I am open to hear it. (Buttigieg seems to be a very qualified individual to be that person. ) I disagree. Some subset of Americans will never be ready, but they shouldn't be able to decide for the majority. The dividers are using all of these unimportant traits to break us apart into more tiny factions: male, female, old, young, gay, straight, black, white, parents, childless, ... Why do ANY of those things have any bearing on fitness to lead? Once the taboo group breaks the glass ceiling, however it happens, it accelerates the next crack in the barrier, harder to keep "others" out. NYS now has a woman governor. She stepped up from Lt. Governor after Cuomo was shamed into resigning. Doesn't matter that she wasn't directly elected - we have had a woman governor, it's no longer impossible, and it will be easier for the next one, and the next one... It normalizes the "other" group, making us incrementally more equal - which I think is important because the dividers are trying really hard to enforce the idea that some (them) are "more" equal than others. The first sentence wouldn't happen. The majority nominated and elected Obama in spite of there (still) being a minority who will never accept a black man. I do like the breaking the glass ceiling idea. The fact she did win a term in her own right supports it.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Jul 26, 2024 14:39:18 GMT -5
VPs are always chosen, so all this as a choice does is give him the experience for President (which really isn't a bad thing). When/If he does run for President, he will still have to go through the vetting process and still go through a primary. The only difference is that he is a known commodity. When he was one of the runners in the primary election in 2020 that chose Biden, he was not well known. You skipped a step. If he is chosen, and the ticket wins, it would give him experience. This year has a lot of interesting subplots. If the Democratic ticket loses, it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to clearly identify the reasons. Tossing in the question of was it a lack of readiness by American voters to accept a gay man would be unfair in the face of all the other issues. That is for this crazy year. In a more normal year, maybe, but gut still says no. Our first non-white elected executive branch officer was a direct choice. Think it best in this case also. Exactly. It's all pointless if having a gay VP on the ticket is too much in combination with a black female President to get the votes to actually win. My family was discussing the VP pick yesterday and the prevailing thought was she should play it safe.
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You skipped a step. If he is chosen, and the ticket wins, it would give him experience. This year has a lot of interesting subplots. If the Democratic ticket loses, it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to clearly identify the reasons. Tossing in the question of was it a lack of readiness by American voters to accept a gay man would be unfair in the face of all the other issues. That is for this crazy year. In a more normal year, maybe, but gut still says no. Our first non-white elected executive branch officer was a direct choice. Think it best in this case also. Exactly. It's all pointless if having a gay VP on the ticket is too much in combination with a black female President to get the votes to actually win. My family was discussing the VP pick yesterday and the prevailing thought was she should play it safe. Not just a black female but a candidate who became such in an unconventional way running against a former president convicted felon who is claiming the last election was stolen from him. Would be nice to have one traditionally norm thing.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Jul 26, 2024 14:56:08 GMT -5
Exactly. It's all pointless if having a gay VP on the ticket is too much in combination with a black female President to get the votes to actually win. My family was discussing the VP pick yesterday and the prevailing thought was she should play it safe. Not just a black female but a candidate who became such in an unconventional way running against a former president convicted felon who is claiming the last election was stolen from him. Would be nice to have one traditionally norm thing. Yes, straight white male with a family and a dog (no cats!), military service a plus, nothing far left or super controversial and preferably from a swing state.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 26, 2024 14:58:31 GMT -5
Is trump laying the groundwork for the Civil War when he loses the 2024 election? He's telling his voters they don't need to vote. The voting places are secured by his lawyers. He has lawyers. he's going to win! Sounds like trump is ready to over throw the election and is prepared for a successful coup. I came across the video of his call into Fox News where he says he doesn't need votes or voters (and watched the Fox people squirm on camera) in a couple of places Here's a link to commentary on it (it's not behind a paywall or included as part of a clip in someone else's tiktok/youtube/whatever) www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/donald-trump-keep-saying-dont-need-votes-election-2024-rcna163808What not said in the quote from the article - is the veiled threat - about how his lawyers are watching the polling places. about how no matter what he has lawyers.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 26, 2024 15:23:50 GMT -5
Is trump laying the groundwork for the Civil War when he loses the 2024 election? He's telling his voters they don't need to vote. The voting places are secured by his lawyers. He has lawyers. he's going to win! Sounds like trump is ready to over throw the election and is prepared for a successful coup. I came across the video of his call into Fox News where he says he doesn't need votes or voters (and watched the Fox people squirm on camera) in a couple of places Here's a link to commentary on it (it's not behind a paywall or included as part of a clip in someone else's tiktok/youtube/whatever) www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/donald-trump-keep-saying-dont-need-votes-election-2024-rcna163808What not said in the quote from the article - is the veiled threat - about how his lawyers are watching the polling places. about how no matter what he has lawyers. First, clarity on what he is saying: Despite the odd phrasing, Trump isn’t literally telling Americans not to cast ballots, he’s instead arguing that he’s so wildly popular, receiving support from voters will be effortless as Election Day nears. So The real challenge, the former president invariably adds, is dealing with cheating and electoral fraud that definitely exist in his weird imagination, despite Trump’s inability to substantiate his conspiracy theories with evidence. (From the link)
In other words, every time the Republican downplays the need for votes, he’s necessarily emphasizing the need for unnecessary voter intimidation tactics.
The Civil War will come if he loses and can't get Congress or the Supreme Court to appoint him President.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 26, 2024 15:33:38 GMT -5
Exactly. It's all pointless if having a gay VP on the ticket is too much in combination with a black female President to get the votes to actually win. My family was discussing the VP pick yesterday and the prevailing thought was she should play it safe. Not just a black female but a candidate who became such in an unconventional way running against a former president convicted felon who is claiming the last election was stolen from him. Would be nice to have one traditionally norm thing. I think "norm" has changed, and it's about time we acknowledge that and move on. Stop fantasizing about the good old days when (fill in the blank). Didn't we already discuss how ephemeral the concept is of when the good old days were? The good old days concept is incredibly alienating to younger voters - who we want to engage - because it excludes them, it's always looking back to a past they had no part in. Again, divisive. Younger people don't care about your sexual orientation, at all, from what I've seen. OTOH, exactly how "norm" is Trump, as a candidate? He's so outside of normal, that a respectable, competent, well-spoken, family man like Buttegieg feels much more normal to me as a VP candidate.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 26, 2024 15:49:53 GMT -5
Not just a black female but a candidate who became such in an unconventional way running against a former president convicted felon who is claiming the last election was stolen from him. Would be nice to have one traditionally norm thing. I think "norm" has changed, and it's about time we acknowledge that and move on. Stop fantasizing about the good old days when (fill in the blank). Didn't we already discuss how ephemeral the concept is of when the good old days were? The good old days concept is incredibly alienating to younger voters - who we want to engage - because it excludes them, it's always looking back to a past they had no part in. Again, divisive. Younger people don't care about your sexual orientation, at all, from what I've seen. OTOH, exactly how "norm" is Trump, as a candidate? He's so outside of normal, that a respectable, competent, well-spoken, family man like Buttegieg feels much more normal to me as a VP candidate. I would say norms are changing which is why I specifically typed "traditionally". I did include Trump in the abnormal things about this election. My current experience working at a junior/senior high school in small town America is that younger people, in general, are more tolerant of sexual orientation on an individual level.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jul 26, 2024 16:08:43 GMT -5
Childless Cat Ladies, eh JD? Did it not occur to you that not all of us made the decision to not have kids. Some of us had the decision made for us, thanks to disease, birth deformity, infertility, lack of a solid partner, lack of funds, a steady lifestyle, a solid home, the need to take care of other family members or the realization that adoption rather than procreation could be a solution. Personally, I did not get up one morning and decide that that particular day was a good one for a hysterectomy to remove 28 tumors and what was left of a decimated reproductive system. But go on. Keep living like you're the one in charge in a Handmaid's Tale episode, and can decide what rights women do and don't have.
Trust me, if I ever meet you on the street, I will demonstrate my kickboxing skills. A right round kick to your whozits will send them up so far up your whatzit, you will find out what "Great Balls A'fire" taste like. Well, post of the week so far!👍🏻 Aw, thanks! ![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/charmed.png) I worked my round kicks this morning, just in case.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 26, 2024 16:10:55 GMT -5
I ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️Pete - but they have to pick someone that can sway a swing state. They have to pick someone with roots and a proven track record in PA, WI, OH, MI and maybe AZ (it doesn’t seem to be in play - but many peeps think it can be).
Trump didn’t pick Vance because he read his book or whatever. He is strong in Ohio.
Go Mark Kelley 🙃
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 26, 2024 17:36:15 GMT -5
i think that AZ is possibly in play.
the fatigue has GOT to be getting to you, from the continuous bullshit stream of the Lake/Trump bullhorn.
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Well, post of the week so far!👍🏻 Aw, thanks! ![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/charmed.png) I worked my round kicks this morning, just in case. Excellent. The 5’11” Dubette #1 has shown me a kick that would smack me in the head at 6’4”. You women are dangerous!😎
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Post by Opti on Jul 26, 2024 17:51:13 GMT -5
Not just a black female but a candidate who became such in an unconventional way running against a former president convicted felon who is claiming the last election was stolen from him. Would be nice to have one traditionally norm thing. I think "norm" has changed, and it's about time we acknowledge that and move on. Stop fantasizing about the good old days when (fill in the blank). Didn't we already discuss how ephemeral the concept is of when the good old days were? The good old days concept is incredibly alienating to younger voters - who we want to engage - because it excludes them, it's always looking back to a past they had no part in. Again, divisive. Younger people don't care about your sexual orientation, at all, from what I've seen. OTOH, exactly how "norm" is Trump, as a candidate? He's so outside of normal, that a respectable, competent, well-spoken, family man like Buttegieg feels much more normal to me as a VP candidate. I think its wise to understand we cannot change other people. So when they fantasize about the good ole days it means something different to each of them. The buzz words are similar, like pro patriarchy for example, but if you want to wait on other people we will never ever get anywhere. So we go around those who do not want a more equal society and embrace and join forces with those who do. You don't have to be a certain age to believe in anything except perhaps fibs parents tell their kids about santa clause and the tooth fairy for example. IMO the space for Trump was made when Eric Holder and Obama IMO pushed too hard on trans rights etc. If you push too far for some, often all the new admin concentrates on is repealing what you put in place. And then we aren't really going forward. I do believe Trump is a result of a couple of things - being groomed by Russia to destroy and weaken America from within and those groups of folks who think authoritarians are cool and like the idea of the patriarchy for as long as possible. Some of that I feel is driven both by prior Popes and the Evangelicals. They choose to believe and sell the idea that "be fruitful and multiply" is not just a comment allegedly made in the garden or Eden, but some weird sacred duty to breed until we run out of resources. Both Catholics and Evangelicals are against abortion for different reasons, but we all notice how they don't even try to hide their hypocrisy anymore. I thought the bible said things like taking care of widows, orphans, kids in general yet we know the GOP and Trumpers in general would probably let babies starve on Fifth Avenue instead of actually doing something to let these kids survive. To feed them clothe them, educate them, etc.
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Aw, thanks! ![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/charmed.png) I worked my round kicks this morning, just in case. Excellent. The 5’11” Dubette #1 has shown me a kick that would smack me in the head at 6’4”. You women are dangerous!😎 Does she study any martial art or take self-defense classes?
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 26, 2024 18:28:53 GMT -5
i think that AZ is possibly in play. the fatigue has GOT to be getting to you, from the continuous bullshit stream of the Lake/Trump bullhorn. I used to complain that there were multiple campaign ads in a single ad break. Now - they will play the exact same as twice in a single ad break. It will only get worse. 🥴
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Excellent. The 5’11” Dubette #1 has shown me a kick that would smack me in the head at 6’4”. You women are dangerous!😎 Does she study any martial art or take self-defense classes? Just practices kick boxing as part of her regimen. Took a few classes years ago.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jul 26, 2024 18:49:20 GMT -5
Aw, thanks! ![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/charmed.png) I worked my round kicks this morning, just in case. Excellent. The 5’11” Dubette #1 has shown me a kick that would smack me in the head at 6’4”. You women are dangerous!😎 I am 5’. I would be aiming waaaay lower than the head!
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Post by Opti on Jul 26, 2024 18:50:33 GMT -5
i think that AZ is possibly in play. the fatigue has GOT to be getting to you, from the continuous bullshit stream of the Lake/Trump bullhorn. I used to complain that there were multiple campaign ads in a single ad break. Now - they will play the exact same as twice in a single ad break. It will only get worse. 🥴 Yep 3+ months of annoyance.
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Former President Donald Trump announced that he plans to return to Butler, Pennsylvania, for a rally in honor of the victims of the failed assassination attempt on him there nearly two weeks ago.
Trump said there will be a “big and beautiful” rally for firefighter Corey Comperatore, who died in the shooting, and others who were injured. link This should be interesting. Is there any possibility that Donald Trump could hold a rally in honor of anyone other than Donald Trump?
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A rally in honor of the victims... Includes Trump. So he's throwing a party for himself, and, oh yeah, those other people, too! And he'll get to talk about how amazing he was! ![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/secret.png) It will be interesting to see if he claims god saved him, or something along those lines - it will be terribly insulting to the family of the guy god presumably chose NOT to save.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 26, 2024 19:43:09 GMT -5
this is arguably the most important three months in 160 years.
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Former President Donald Trump announced that he plans to return to Butler, Pennsylvania, for a rally in honor of the victims of the failed assassination attempt on him there nearly two weeks ago.
Trump said there will be a “big and beautiful” rally for firefighter Corey Comperatore, who died in the shooting, and others who were injured. link This should be interesting. Is there any possibility that Donald Trump could hold a rally in honor of anyone other than Donald Trump? He may actually have good intentions and start out that way but you know within 10 minutes he’ll be off on a rant about how everyone is so mean to him and the DOJ and every DA wants to get him. Then the next 90 minutes will be a ramble on his martyrdom.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 27, 2024 0:26:46 GMT -5
he is constitutionally incapable of behaving well.
i don't honestly think i have EVER see him do it for more than 5 minutes.
to be clear, i prayed for it many times his first year, and finally gave up on him. he is an irredeemable shitstain.
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Post by Opti on Jul 27, 2024 6:34:54 GMT -5
A rally in honor of the victims... Includes Trump. So he's throwing a party for himself, and, oh yeah, those other people, too! And he'll get to talk about how amazing he was! ![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/secret.png) It will be interesting to see if he claims god saved him, or something along those lines - it will be terribly insulting to the family of the guy god presumably chose NOT to save. I think he's shopping whether he can get a poll point life or two by doing this. The dead firefighter is just a prop to him not a person. I think the firefighter's wife has high odds of voting Dem this election. I think she doesn't like Trump, but her dead spouse did so she's trying to humor her husband in death, but she will have had too much of the exploitation of her husband IMO b4 November's election. I do think Harris's branding of this election being about personal freedoms is a wise one. It is the same as save democracy with making the emphasis more personal and where it already is in many voters' hearts. Abortion. Civil Rights. The right to not get killed by the police you called to help you. I started to watch an incident that happened I think in Chicago or nearby. The one male cop loses focus and does not keep things professional and things spiral. All he had to do is ask her to please turn off the burner under the boiling water for now. Because yes, a pot of boiling water can make a great weapon. But when she said something that rubbed him the wrong way I think religiously, he was kind of like I am going to kill you for acting like that ... and according to the article he did. I closed the video when I heard the heated verbal exchanges between the woman who called for help and the police officer who needed to be more professional. I am super impressed and grateful I was able to shut down the video clip before I saw the bullet(s) come out of the gun he was pointing at her.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 27, 2024 7:29:29 GMT -5
A rally in honor of the victims... Includes Trump. So he's throwing a party for himself, and, oh yeah, those other people, too! And he'll get to talk about how amazing he was! ![](https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/secret.png) It will be interesting to see if he claims god saved him, or something along those lines - it will be terribly insulting to the family of the guy god presumably chose NOT to save. I think he's shopping whether he can get a poll point life or two by doing this. The dead firefighter is just a prop to him not a person. I think the firefighter's wife has high odds of voting Dem this election. I think she doesn't like Trump, but her dead spouse did so she's trying to humor her husband in death, but she will have had too much of the exploitation of her husband IMO b4 November's election. The wife has promised to vote for Trump, to honor her DH's interest in Trump. I doubt she goes against that.
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Post by Opti on Jul 27, 2024 8:08:48 GMT -5
I think he's shopping whether he can get a poll point life or two by doing this. The dead firefighter is just a prop to him not a person. I think the firefighter's wife has high odds of voting Dem this election. I think she doesn't like Trump, but her dead spouse did so she's trying to humor her husband in death, but she will have had too much of the exploitation of her husband IMO b4 November's election. The wife has promised to vote for Trump, to honor her DH's interest in Trump. I doubt she goes against that. What she says in public now, and what she will do in the privacy of the voting booth can be two different things. She lost her husband, that's major grief. My mom and my BF died in the same year. I was crushed. I have never felt so sad in my life, and it was hard to navigate. The wife is saying things to the press to make her dead DH proud and to get them to leave her alone. Trump was not invited to the funeral per the press I read. It was a private thing, i.e. she did not want it to be a media circus with Trump at the center.
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Post by resolution on Jul 27, 2024 8:12:50 GMT -5
Last night Trump was telling his fans that they have to go out and vote just this one more time, and after he gets in they will never need to vote again... x.com/i/status/1817007890496102490![](https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1817007890496102490%7Ctwgr%5E28d9d336dd25385b452463e8fbc1cbb0e4f0c15e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone.com%2Fpolitics%2Fpolitics-news%2Ftrump-if-reelected-wont-have-to-vote-fixed-1235069397%2F)
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Post by Opti on Jul 27, 2024 8:25:25 GMT -5
Last night Trump was telling his fans that they have to go out and vote just this one more time, and after he gets in they will never need to vote again... x.com/i/status/1817007890496102490![](https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1817007890496102490%7Ctwgr%5E28d9d336dd25385b452463e8fbc1cbb0e4f0c15e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone.com%2Fpolitics%2Fpolitics-news%2Ftrump-if-reelected-wont-have-to-vote-fixed-1235069397%2F) Yet another sign of the long extensive influence Putin/Russia has had on Trump. I think he's been sold the idea he can be helped into being lifetime dictator of America, instead of #2 to Putin. Putin installed his own loyal to him governors in piece parts of Ukraine. The US is just a bigger fish he's been trying to hook since about the time Reagan said his tear down the wall stuff. Ronald Reagan was very popular which really shouldn't have pissed anyone off, but it made Putin and others think that if a B level actor has this kind of influence, perhaps we should grrom our own. MO.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 27, 2024 8:45:32 GMT -5
While Gwen is too young to vote she is extremely excited about Kamala and has given me very educated thoughts on Kamalas campaign points.
I'm hoping that translates to women in the younger voting age block.
She's been showing me campaign videos on Tik Tok. Harris and her team certainly know where to go and how to target younger voters.
Add to that Taylor Swift endorses her and Vance pissed off swifties with his cat lady comment...maybe we have a chance.
I've been listening girls her age are paying attention and aren't happy with us older women not taking charge and control of our lives.
She is horrified we do not riot and just let Republicans strip us of our rights.
She makes me hope for the future and the next wave of feminism.
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